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Sony Attempts To Trademark "Let's Play"

An anonymous reader writes: Why is it that kids these days spend days upon days watching people play video games on Youtube and Twitch when they could spend those days playing games themselves? While we may never find out why, Let's Plays are an established part of today's gaming ecosystem, and the publishers want their piece of the pie. Nintendo lost love by forcefully taking the proceeds from ad revenue on Youtube for its videos, but Sony... never settling for second-best... has recently filed to trademark the phrase. I don't know what's more surprising: Sony's audacity to grab a phrase with recorded usage as far back as 2007... or that EA didn't think of it first.

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  1. Not going to work... by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 3, Informative

    While I'm not a lawyer, I'm pretty sure that "Let's play" by itself is pretty much impossible to trademark due to the basic rules of getting a trademark (as put by Wikipedia), though they might be able to claim it in the form of a particular logo incorporating the words...which wouldn't let them go after Let's Plays but might let them start sponsoring/branding their own Let's Play group.

    1. Re:Not going to work... by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

      While I'm not a lawyer, I'm pretty sure that "Let's play" by itself is pretty much impossible to trademark

      Let us hope...although my guess is that Sony wouldn't have done this without running it by a room full of lawyers. Maybe they were told that they couldn't trademark it, but to "give it a shot anyway" just to see if the courts would fall for it.

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    2. Re:Not going to work... by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 2

      While I'm not a lawyer, I'm pretty sure that "Let's play" by itself is pretty much impossible to trademark

      Let us hope...although my guess is that Sony wouldn't have done this without running it by a room full of lawyers. Maybe they were told that they couldn't trademark it, but to "give it a shot anyway" just to see if the courts would fall for it.

      Actually, going deeper into trademark law, odds are this went through precisely as many lawyers as their idea of infecting computers with rootkits did--0 lawyers who knew that the correct answer is "As your lawyer, my advice is that you stop taking any illegal drugs." Let's Play is a generic term, and the odds are that it might get past a judge but the endgame will be at least one judge laughing them out of court... They probably ran it past as many (competent) PR people as they did (competent) lawyers, too, because even if this does work it should be obvious that this is a PR disaster in the making.

      If they were attempting to get a trademark for a logo using the words "Let's Play," this would instead be the first sign that somebody at Sony actually had a good idea and they might go into outright open support for the phenomenon. It'd not precisely be a bad move: I find them more useful than traditional reviews in deciding if I want to play a game, though some I've spent the most time and effort searching out were by pure word-of-mouth. (I've no idea if anybody's done a Let's Play for those yet.)

    3. Re:Not going to work... by arth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let's Play is a generic term

      So is "Just do it", "I'm loving it" and "Enjoy".
      What was your point again?

    4. Re:Not going to work... by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Before Windows, was window a common term in software?

      Yeah, actually, it was.

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    5. Re:Not going to work... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

      Trademarks are specific to the thing (and the brand) you're promoting under the mark. "Just do it" wasn't generally used for shoes before. "I'm lovin' it" wasn't generally used for fast food before. I could market a line of shoes with "I'm lovin' it" and McDonald's could not win a case against me as long as I could establish I was not creating confusion with the McDonald's brand. If you're referring to the infamous "Enjoy Cocaine" case, in that case they were not trademarking just "Enjoy", but rather suing on the resemblance to "Enjoy Coca-Cola", including using Coke's font, as a deliberate attempt to link to Coca-Cola.

      But "Let's Play" is already established as a generic term in video games. Sony can't trademark it any more than Nike could trademark "Shoelaces".

    6. Re:Not going to work... by Coren22 · · Score: 2

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      According to that page, Kleenex is still an active trademark that is used by the general population as a generic term. It doesn't appear that they lost the trademark though. Aspirin however has been ruled generic at least in the US.

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  2. Everything must be owned! by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everything must be owned, including common words and phrases. Otherwise someone might be making money off of it and it wouldn't be us!!

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    1. Re:Everything must be owned! by Blue+Stone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's called "enclosure". It's the desire by individuals and companies to take common culture and own it exclusively, renting it back to us.

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  3. Can't Play by zenlessyank · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is really no different than pro/college football/basketball etc. Lots of peeps can't play for one reason or another so they watch someone else play who is good. It has been this way for thousands of years. Only real difference is that you can sit at home instead of walking down to the Coliseum.

  4. Something Awful should file an objection to it by sg_oneill · · Score: 5, Informative

    The term actually came from Something Awful forums and the "Lets play" threads where they'd take turns playing a game and posting the results. Dwarf fortress "succession" games would be the cannonical example here.

    Sony has had no role in this, and they are trademarking something they have no right to.

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  5. Re:Meanwhile... by GrumpySteen · · Score: 2

    Except the trademark applied for is a standard character format trademark which protects the actual phrase regardless of the particular font, color, design, etc. Sony is literally trying to get a trademark that will allow them to sue anyone who uses the phrase "Let's Play" for "Electronic transmission and streaming of video games via global and local computer networks; streaming of audio, visual, and audiovisual material via global and local computer networks."

    There is nothing ambiguous and the only idiot is the one who is assuming that they're not doing what the application says they're doing; you.

  6. They were more than likely denied weeks ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Non-binding action" was sent back in December, which is generally USPTO for fuck off.

  7. Re:Let's Play © by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

    Won't Sony be causing brand confusion by naming their brand after a well established term in their field of business?
    Now all of a sudden, when people are talking/writing about "Let's Play", readers won't be able to tell whether they're talking about the fun free thing or the undoubtedly evil Sony thing.

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  8. Re:Let's Play by Teancum · · Score: 2

    Make sure you get the mark correctly here. This isn't a copyright, it is a trademark issue and something that is decidedly very different. It is really silly to confuse intellectual property as if it is all one and the same.

    Then again, I've seen even supposedly competent lawyers screw the terms up and even misapply one kind of law with another.

    It all depends on what Sony plans on doing with the phrase that will determine just how silly or useful the trademark will become. If Sony is doing to be adding hooks into their consoles to encourage YouTubers to make videos of games on those consoles as some sort of special console feature.... I'd be very supportive of the idea. The one click hooks that Mojang put into Minecraft (to give an example) that allows content to be streamed directly to Twitch could be expanded upon and simply installed by default into the next upgrade of the PlayStation line for all games played on that console. Calling that the Sony Let's Play service would be a really good idea and a real selling point in the console industry.

    Using it to shut down other more inventive Let's Play content developers on the other hand is likely not going to work out so well.

  9. Reading laws by hackwrench · · Score: 2

    Laws are often written in such a way as to be open to a number of different interpretations. My Dad's a lawyer, though it's been quite awhile since he's been one by trade, and the things he's described to me... (shudder).

  10. Re:Pointless and stupid, like trademarking "I SUCK by Cederic · · Score: 2

    Hmm, no. They're the collaborative social playing of a game, together.

    What you've described is far more akin to twitch streaming, although people have used misidentified it as a Let's Play.

    I think Twitch's tremendous success demonstrates that although you may not be part of that market, there's a clear market for people wanting to watch people play games.