More People In Europe Are Dying Than Are Being Born (phys.org)

jones_supa writes: More people in Europe are dying than are being born, according to a new report co-authored by a Texas A&M University demographer. In contrast, births exceed deaths, by significant margins, in Texas and elsewhere in the United States, with few exceptions. The researchers find that in Europe, deaths exceeded births in most of the counties of Germany, Hungary, Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria and the Czech Republic, as well as in Sweden and the Baltic States. Further south, natural decrease is found occurring in the majority of the counties of Greece, Portugal and Italy. More births than deaths (natural increase) is widespread in Ireland, Cyprus, Iceland, Lichtenstein and Luxembourg. "Natural decrease is much more common in Europe than in the U.S because its population is older, fertility rates are lower and there are fewer women of child-bearing age," the researchers explain. "Natural decrease is a major policy concern because it drains the demographic resilience from a region diminishing its economic viability and competitiveness."

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invite more people in?

[known_coward_69]

that's what the US is doing

Re:invite more people in?

[Attila Dimedici]

I guess this is how the long term "revenge" for the crusades will happen.

Muslims seeking revenge against Europeans for the crusades is like Japanese seeking revenge against the U.S. for their defeat in WWII.

Re:invite more people in?

[Sowelu]

In general, people who come to the USA are the most liberal members of their own cultures. I saw a study showing that US muslims had a stronger belief in gender equality than christians, they're extremely open to women working outside the home vs. traditional american culture of stay-at-home mothers. General opinion of burqa-wearing women I met at college was that they were a great tool to keep unwanted guys from leering at them and they saw it as a big help, not an unwanted obligation.

Re:invite more people in?

[cayenne8]

In the US, ethnic neighborhoods sprang up whenever large numbers of immigrants - the old-fashioned, legal kind - came in from one country. They served as landing zones where new arrivals could be among their countrymen as they adjusted to life in a new society. Over time, all those ethnic neighborhoods faded out as their people spread out into the larger culture.

The difference is, those immigrants WANTED to integrate into the larger US culture. They wanted to become full citizens, they wanted to learn ENGLISH which was the national language.

In EU, we see the muslim population, not only staying isolated, but trying to stay that way. They don't want to integrate into the native culture, they want to change it to fit their idea of what the culture should be, and with them, it is largely motivated by their religion, which does not preach integrating and melting in, but that the infidels should be either converted or killed. Its in their koran. (sp?).

In the US, with the influx of Mexicans...it is not quite that bad, but we do see how they are not wanting to fully integrate and learn English, the language that used to unite us in this country. I would posit to you that you can see this in the fact that more and more we have Spanish speaking radio, TV and print.

I know from taking foreign language classes, that the best way to learn and a high motivator to learn your new language is immersion. I took classes where English for the most part was spoken only the first day of class, after that, you had to learn the class language.

Rather than push this in the US, we are now catering to Spanish speaking. Hell, it is getting hard in some areas to find information printed in English, or anyone that speaks what used to be our (unfortunately) un-official official language.

In the US, we are enabling the isolation.

And with lower birthrates of Caucasians, we're now seeing their decline....and the country is changing, not wholly for the best from what I can see.

This lately seems less an integration into the US culture, but a wholesale change in the fundamental culture, much of which is responsible for what made this country great.

Nothing wrong with keeping your previous culture as pride....but bring it into the country, BLEND in with the US and make it a part of the US,which usually means it changes to fit with the greater culture...not that the previously predominate culture changes to fit the "old country" ways.....not like it seems to be doing today.

Re:invite more people in?

[Anonymous Coward]

There are different kinds of immigrant Muslims. The well integrated, secular Muslims whose children or grand children might be as Muslim as the current European is Christian: more than half non believer, but happy to join the families to keep the tradition alive.

Many Muslims however don't want to integrate. They want to live in Islamic states within the state, where shariah law overrules the states law. If something happens within their community, shariah law will solve it. Police has nothing to say in those area's. These area's where pretty small in the past, but with their 8 children on average and the fact that 50% of them choose a husband/wife from the ultra conservative homeland, means that for every 'radical' Muslim woman there are on average 12 new radical Muslims.

This causes a lot of problems. Their are too many of them to contain them within their own 'state within the state' and they demand the local people to adjust their habits to their culture. My local school now only serves Halal food, and all local (white) politicians don't have a problem with this. This year the exams are even postponed because Muslim kids are in the middle or the Ramadan. This means that for many families there is no vacation this year. The majority of the middle class people go on summer holiday the week after graduation. This year graduation is postponed with 3 weeks and most workers can't postpone their free days with 3 weeks.

In the local public pool it is no longer available for males 3 days a week. It's woman only. The woman are no longer allowed to where a normal swimming gear (bad suit / bikini), they should wear one that covers the entire body, legs and arms. This is because some imam interpreted this rule somewhere in the koran.

Several examples of how the white people have to adjust to the Muslims. Everyone who criticizes these decisions is either a racist an islamophobe or a xenophobe.

And these aren't people who moved to my country, these are third, fourth and even fifth generations of families who never wanted to integrate. They were all born in this country and always rejected all values that our country stands for.

They also reject our hard fought for values of freedom, freedom of speech and democracy. They want to replace the current laws with Shariah laws, but since they are only with 12% today, they don't have the democratic majority. With the recent mass immigration their numbers will probably double within 10 years. The immigrants are mostly males and still have to bring their wife(s) and children once they get their citizenship. This means that within 20 years or so, their children will have voting power, and the Muslim parties might become the largest party in our country.

When you look at the failure to integrate immigrants that started to come in the late 50's, and the failure to integrate their offspring who always use racism as an excuse, I don't believe that the new immigrant will ever integrate (with a few exceptions of course).

Homophobia and sexism is back alive an kicking, and gay people can no longer walk around the streets like they did 10 years ago. Woman are afraid to walk alone to work or public transport. The police can't control the situation anymore and rich people use private security services to protect themselves. In just a few years political correctness has managed to create the society they feared: a police state, but this time without police but with private security firms on one side and shariah 'police' squads on the other side. The Shariah squad is making patrols in my village. A few weeks ago I was halted by them and they warned me about my running gear. Short pants are not allowed, they are no allowed to come above the knee... Now what can you do against such a squad? They are armed with sticks, police doesn't do anything, so I just stopped doing my daily run... Some people aren't even allowed to let their dogs out because that Shariah squad says Mohamed didn't like dogs, so nobody should let dogs out.

My region is

Re:invite more people in?

[peragrin]

The melt pot is working though. Those areas fall apart. People move, grow old, look for jobs, they rarely stay in one place. Europe was heavily divided by nationalities until recently. The USA has survived multiculturalism because people could move all over in search for jobs.

That ability is less than a decade old in Europe. It will take 20-30 years for the effect to be felt.

Melting pot is alive and well in the USA Is you need proof look up Italian, French,indian, Chinese , Thai , restaurants. In an given city. If you need more proof, look at a grocery store. You can get all sorts of food.

Re:invite more people in?

[PPalmgren]

The U.S. Melting Pot has one big thing that these other countries lack: a lack of history. People in the US are not resistant to their immigrant compatriots adoptiong American culture, and in fact readily share it. Most European countries like Italy, Greece, France, and so on, have a hidden yet obvious nationalistic bias tied to heritage. In France or Italy, you will never become a true Frenchman/Italian as an immigrant even if you adopt their culture, whereas in America, the Indian who Americanizes him/herself is applauded rather than shunned.

In Europe, ethnicity is closely tied to nationalism, and the borders are drawn accordingly. That is not the case in the US because the only native ethnicity available is one that was sadly wiped out.

and how long before the next Hitler comes to stop

[Joe_Dragon]

and how long before the next Hitler comes to stop that?

Re:and how long before the next Hitler comes to st

[Dunbal]

There will be no "next Hitler", just like there will be no "next Napoleon". Certainly Hitler was no Napoleon. Napoleon was a military genius but his famous military accomplishments (having lost very few battles despite at times tremendous odds against him) were far shorter lived than his achievement with re-writing and organizing law: the Napoleonic Code lives on today in many guises because it makes sense. Hitler was an appalling strategist, an amateur tactician at best (who got lucky a very few times), a ruthless and reckless politician who however managed to motivate a demotivated people through his obsession with national spirit and national identity - crucial for a broken people who had lost everything through a devastating war, revolt and punitive blockade and reparations.

Of course there can always be someone worse than Hitler in the future. But the times are different and the solution will therefore be different.

I've got lots of folks

[rsilvergun]

here in America who believe in all of that. They're mostly white male Christians living in Texas and the American South.

The "culture" your referring to is mostly a byproduct of America meddling in Middle Eastern politics to prevent the spread of socialism. Iran was a secular nation until we decided we didn't like their democratically elected gov't and helped eject them. There are pictures of girls in skirts from the 50s before we stuck our nose in. Iraq was, for all of Saddam's faults, going the same route and Modernizing.

If you going to say their religion lets them do bad things that's true of Christianity in spades. Whatever horrible thing I might want to do to you today there's a line in the bible that lets me do it. Hell, you don't even need to be an Infidel. Oh, and I'll remind you that Christians are not, in fact, infidels. Atheists and pagans are.