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Opel Dealers Accused of Modyfing the Software of Polluting Cars (deredactie.be)

An anonymous reader writes: Belgian public broadcasting station VRT has discovered that GM Opel dealerships in Belgium seem to be updating engine management code when Zafira cars equipped with the 1.6 litre CDTI diesel engine are brought in for service. After the software change, the nitrogen oxides (NOx) emissions drop sharply, at the cost of reduced power output. Bern University of Applied Sciences and environmental lobby club DUH previously found this model to pass European emissions standards only when the rear wheels are not rotating. When the rear wheels are made to spin along, NOx emissions increase to several times the limit set by European regulations. General Motors denied using defeat devices as well as the update program that seems to be taking place. However, an anonymous mechanic at an Opel dealership states that GM started pushing updates shortly after the Dieselgate scandal broke.

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  1. I'm somehow not surprised. by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I suspect that the majority of brands do the same thing more or less, so I'm not surprised.

    It's back to the drawing board for those that sets up the conditions for tests and the emissions limits to get figures that better reflects reality. And this is not only diesels that are circumventing the regulations, I expect everyone of doing similar regardless of fuel type.

    There's no surprise to customers that the fuel consumption figures provided by car manufacturers are almost impossible to achieve in reality, no matter what the gauges in the cars says.

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    1. Re:I'm somehow not surprised. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem wasn't the laws or the tests, the EU regulators knew the tests were being cheat on, the regulations already forbid defeat devices in plain language. They could have thrown the book at them at any point they want, but all the diesel manufacturers have factories in Europe, so it didn't and won't happen. VW got cocky and thought they could do the same thing in the US, where political considerations offered them no protection. Fucking them over has no impact on the US economy, so they got proper fucked.

      Now public pressure is forcing the EU manufacturers to fix their shit, but the economic impact of trying to fix it fast and the clear evidence of regulatory capture and corruption ensures it's all kept outside of public view as much as possible.

      Business as usual.

    2. Re:I'm somehow not surprised. by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I suspect that the majority of brands do the same thing more or less, so I'm not surprised.

      I suspected as much myself. Other manufacturers must have tested the VWs and found out about the cheating -- so why did the cheating stay secret for so long? Probably because everyone was doing the same.

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  2. Re:How to tell a regulation has failed utterly by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So if pretty much every manufacturer is doing this, how is this not equal to a kind of mass civic protest?

    Money.

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  3. Re:How to tell a regulation has failed utterly by soccerisgod · · Score: 5, Informative

    If in reality car emissions are higher than overly ambitious standards, but still low enough that air quality is OK - should the cars be "fixed" (as in the pet related term, neutered) or instead should the regulations be brought to realistic levels based on what cars are actually emitting today?

    Air quality is anything but okay. I can't speak for the US, but here in Europe, we have serious problems with it. In China it's so bad in some areas you can actually only register a new car if it's electric - that's actually an important reason why electric cars are getting more attention now.

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  4. Re: How to tell a regulation has failed utterly by Namarrgon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Overly ambitious" standards? In whose opinion, the car manufacturers or those who suffer the consequences?

    This isn't some civic protest akin to Prohibition, these are regulations designed to avoid Tragedy of the Commons scenarios with real costs to society. In the UK alone, nitrogen dioxide emissions cause 23,500 extra deaths, costing around £13bn per year.

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  5. Volvo messed too by scsirob · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My Volvo V40 D4 used 4.7l/100km for 30.000km strait. At the very first service interval, the ECU software was updated. Immediately the car started to use 5.3l/100km and no longers seems to deliver the same power. My driving habbits and usual routes have not changed. My shoes didn't get any heavier. How do you explain 15% more fuel usage other than trying to cover up software 'flaws'?

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    1. Re:Volvo messed too by thegarbz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How do you explain 15% more fuel usage other than trying to cover up software 'flaws'?

      A fucked up service by an apprentice who didn't know what they were doing?

      15% is a low number in the scheme of assembling something incorrectly. I'm not saying they didn't do what you claim, but do watch your cause and effect conclusions.

  6. Re: In the states it is fine to fudge diesel facts by silentcoder · · Score: 3, Interesting

    CO1 is inherently unstable and will bond with oxygen to form CO2 fairly rapidly. That's why we don't have a major CO1 air polution problem - CO1 is basically the past tense of CO2. It's also why carbon monoxide is more toxic than CO2. CO2 will choke you but at least it doesn't accelerate the process by absorbing the oxygen you breathed in with it before you can.

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  7. Re: In the states it is fine to fudge diesel facts by Viol8 · · Score: 5, Informative

    CO is even worse than that - it binds to haemoglobin and doesn't let go which means the O2 in your lungs can't. Thats why it only takes a relatively small amount of CO to poison you.

  8. Volvo have screwed themselves by Viol8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They're new engine line up consists of ONE engine - a 2.0L 4 cyl in various stages of tune and turbocharging (presumably to save development costs). Good luck to them getting decent NOx figures out of that in the high power versions, not to mention longevity. There does seem to be an obsession with shriking engines below what is reasonable (3 cyl 1.0L in a Mondeo?? Hello Ford!) simply to meet CO2 emissions targets. Thats all well and good but you don't get something for nothing and high pressure small engines just don't last so you will probably find the car scrapped years earlier than otherwise and so completely negating any CO2 benefit accrued by the engine. Short term thinking at its finest.