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Google Exec Says Isis Must Be Locked Out of the Open Web (theguardian.com)
An anonymous reader writes with this story about Director of Google Ideas Jared Cohen and his talk with the Royal Institute of International Affairs about stopping terrorists online. Cohen contends that the best way to fight them online is to keep them confined to the dark web. The Guardian reports: "Google's head of ideas, tasked with building tools to fight oppression, has said that to stop Isis being able to publicize itself on the internet requires forcing Isis from the open web. During a talk with the Royal Institute of International Affairs at Chatham House, Jared Cohen said that it will not be possible to stop terrorists such as Isis from using Tor and the dark web. The key to stopping the terrorist group from propagating online is therefore to hound them from the traditional web – that which can be indexed by search engines. Cohen said: 'What is new is that they're operating without being pushed back in the same internet we all enjoy. So success looks like Isis being contained to the dark web.'"
It seems quite stupid to me to keep anyone off the "open web" (whatever that is), because you gain a lot more from operational slips as to what they are up to, than you lose from recruiting value the group in question gains from running a website.
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This is going to be applied to people who speak out against feminism, BLM, etc. They will make unpopular opinions disappear in the name of terrorism.
The only thing that will stop a bad man with a pen, is a good guy with a pen.
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But if we build in censorship as a fundamental part of the web to stop ISIS, that doesn't sound so bad. What's the worst that could happen? I'll bet the politicians are even willing to swear that they'll never abuse it.
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
I'd much rather we continue to show people what these cavemen consider normal in graphic detail.
They're lunatics, hiding them won't help. We need to out this insanity, and it helps that they're doing a great job of demonstrating what religious fanaticism is capable of.
Censorship is evil. Period.
..don't panic
Once a system like this is built, it will be turned on all sorts of "undesirables" - terrorists just happen to be the undesirable de jour.
When you consider that their main recruiting approach is to remind young muslims of how humiliating their life can be in the West, and how crude and debased our culture is, I sincerely doubt that this tactic will work. They are immune, now, to being belittled or shocked.
We have to assume that most active participants in the regime (as opposed to people who merely live under it through accident of geography, misguided loyalty or family ties) are unreachable and unconvertible, and make it clear that the road back from participation in that regime remains possible but will be difficult.
And then we have to focus on three things:
1) making it so families resist letting their young men join, by being very clear about the atrocities committed
2) stop asking muslims to apologise for every single attack ("I don't see moderate muslims XYZ")
3) let them -- help them -- establish an ideology that will counter it, while giving them the full criminal responsibility of their individual actions
Monitoring mosques, banning mosques, interfering -- it's not going to work. Treat aberrations like criminal acts and prosecute them accordingly.
Muslims are humans and Islam is just a religion; one of a half-dozen-or-so major religions on which modern civilisation was built, each with their horrific literature, each with their beautiful inspiriations.
Systematically humiliating people isn't effective, even when they are the worst examples of humanity. And meeting the immature, mentally deficient, nation-scale acting-out that is Daesh with childish 4chan nonsense is not exactly showing our best side.
If a country's people are so disaffected they would join nutbags like ISIS, the problem isn't ISIS the problem is the country.
you catch murderers and hitmen by
1.the police answering the ads of "hitmen" (morons, but so are most ISIS supporters)
2. police posing as hitmen and picking up the losers that contract for their services
you can do the same with ISIS
1. answer real ISIS broadcasters with fake supporters who proceed to sabotage operations and outreach in all sorts of ways
2. pose as ISIS and hoover up the social retards who answer the call
but you can only do this if the idiots operate out in the open
drive them underground and you can still do it, like with child porn douchebags. but you've made the job harder and some sympathizers go uncaught
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
In school, we teach kids how to protect themselves against drugs and stranger danger. We also teach them to look both ways before crossing the street; to stop, drop, and roll if they find themselves on fire; and to crawl under the desk in case of earthquake or nuclear detonation. Why not also teach them how to protect themselves against radical organizations? Then we would be protecting them with knowledge instead of ignorance.
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