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Ashley Madison Blackmail Letter Revealed (grahamcluley.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Security researcher Graham Cluley says he has been forwarded a blackmail letter, sent to a member of the controversial Ashley Madison adultery website. In the letter the blackmailer says that unless $2,000 worth of bitcoin is paid within 10 days, the recipient's wife, friends and colleagues will be informed of his misdemeanors. In a threatening twist, the letter goes on to give personal details of another victim who refused to pay the blackmailers, and how his personal life and work were targeted as a result. Cluley's advice to recipients is not to pay the blackmailers, but to tell the U.S. Postal Inspectors Service.

228 comments

  1. this is blackmail? by zephvark · · Score: 4, Funny

    >unless $2000 worth of bitcoin is not paid

    ...I'm pretty sure he can afford to go ahead and not pay it, then. They apparently offered to screw him over only if he paid.

    1. Re:this is blackmail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps this is a way to blackmail those who are not familiar with grammar, but use Ashley Madison.

    2. Re:this is blackmail? by Tx · · Score: 1

      To be fair, that mistake does not originate in the blackmail letter. You'll be shocked to know that the grammatical error came either from the submitter or the slashdot "editor" responsible for putting up the story.

      In the letter, it says "All you have to do to prevent me from using this information against you, [redacted], is to pay me $2000" and "If you do not want me to destroy your life then send $2000 in bitcoin..."; lacking in poetry, but grammatically sound enough.

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    3. Re:this is blackmail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      >unless $2000 worth of bitcoin is not paid

      ...I'm pretty sure he can afford to go ahead and not pay it, then. They apparently offered to screw him over only if he paid.

      You should recognize this as the Piranha Brothers' "Other Operation," in which they select a victim and threaten to not beat him up if he doesn't pay them.

    4. Re:this is blackmail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A more poetic version:


      There was an "R" an in the House.
      He loved to cheat on his spouse.
        Unless Bitcoin he pay,
        The world knoweth him gay.
      So he paid them quiet as a mouse.

    5. Re:this is blackmail? by sconeu · · Score: 2

      Clearly, the blackmailers need to move to the "Other Other Operation"...

      DINSDALE!!!!

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    6. Re:this is blackmail? by Antibozo · · Score: 1

      Clearly, the blackmailers need to move to the "Other Other Operation"...

      This, for the Piranha Brothers, was the turning point.

    7. Re:this is blackmail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The double negative actually makes it sound like the native language of the blackmailer would be a language that uses double negatives to retain a negative voice... Russian is one such language.

  2. You want to cheat on your wife? by DewDude · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is what you get.

    This is one of the few cases where I don't support the activities of any party involved; the hackers for what they did, the website for providing/promoting such blatant infidelity, nor the people who use the site.

    However, in this case, the people I support the least are the people who took their marriage vows so lightly they're using a website to cheat. It's absolutely disgusting. You get what you deserve. What to avoid the collateral damage; don't cheat. But, since you're past that point; you might as well fess up to it; and make sure you tell your family you're only coming clean about it due to a threat of blackmail. It'll make them see your character for what it really is.

    Quite frankly, screw everyone all around in this ordeal. It's disgusting we're still talking about this.

    1. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Point to the guy with ISSUES! LOL

    2. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      No one asked you to support it. This isn't about supporting or being against adulterous behaviors, but rather how willing we are as a society to protect privacy. Unless a crime was committed they have as much right as you to not be threatened.

    3. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what you get.

      So I'm guessing 38.7275055 you are ok with -77.4328959 someone using your identify to register on an infidelity website and ending up with 'their' data leaked.

    4. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Most of the membership was closet gay people who didn't want to be outed. Especially since being gay is punishable by death in some countries and cultures.

      So maybe you can get off your high horse and actually try to understand the different sides of the issue for once.

    5. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      O, delightful ./ person, you are so moral, we're all so envious of you. This must be so disgusting for you. You never could think of something so distasteful. Your life is a grand vision, worthwhile of lengthy examination.

    6. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... the people I support the least are the people who took their marriage vows so lightly ...

      It's a sad fact that people think that "marriage" is some sort of ceremony, some vows exchanged, some piece of paper. A church, a priest, an official - they don't magically add anything to it, make it more than it was before. A marriage is what you make of it 24/7 after the cake has been cut and the champagne poured. (And no, I'm not one of the "religion BAAAAD" crowd...)

      you might as well fess up to it; and make sure you tell your family you're only coming clean about it due to a threat of blackmail. It'll make them see your character for what it really is.

      THIS. Too true. From personal experience (not with infidelity though) I have found that this may look like the most difficult way to deal with such a situation, in the end it is the easiest. The moment you put a secret into the light that you would rather have kept in the dark, it loses all power over you. Yes, you might lose some loved ones (especially if you do it only because of the blackmail money - cheapskate), but you might be surprised how many forgive you and decide to stand by you. And you might become a slightly better character in the process.

      Or, your spouse might decide to also come clean...

      AC because of moderation.

    7. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Penguinisto · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I have zero sympathy for a cheater who gets one of these letters. If you betray your spouse, then you can suck on the consequences.

      On the other hand, extortion is still an illegal act, no matter how righteous it may look when you do it.

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    8. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by onepoint · · Score: 2

      WOW a shashdotter using a moral line.
      Really???
      No one is asking for you or anyone to support.
      Everyone and anyone has the rights to live without being subjected to harm from 3rd parties.

      Wife cheats on her husband or husband cheats on the wife, does not really matter.
      Might be good reason for it, maybe, no reason for it, but, no need to subject both parties to harm.

      and a simple observation ...

      don't waste time paying the blackmailers, seems like you'll get demand letters for ever

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    9. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that true at all? You are saying this was primarily marketed to closet gays in sub-Saharan Africa? I certainly didn't notice that in any of the names that came out but I suppose they could be non representative. Also the Ashley Madison popup ads everywhere always show attractive women. Was it closet lesbians?

    10. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is one of the few cases where I don't support the activities of any party involved; the hackers for what they did, the website for providing/promoting such blatant infidelity, nor the people who use the site.

      Meh, people have been screwing around on one another for as long as they've had one another.

      Putting aside the underlying puritanical bullshit, who broke the law here? Yes, that's right, the hackers and the extortionists. Wah wah wah, people have affairs and they'e evil people .. such moralizing bullshit. Neither Ashley Madison nor the people using the site broke any laws.

      And I've long since stopped thinking the opinion of a bunch of hand-wringing church ladies is of any consequence. It's just people acting like they have authority over what others do. People who think infidelity will stop due to their own loud self-righteousness ... well, just as often those assholes find themselves getting caught doing the same fucking thing.

      Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, otherwise shut the fuck up. It's disgusting that you feel your opinion about what people you don't know is worth a damn, or that it has anything to do with you.

      Oh, wait, is your entire morality based on retribution against strangers because you feel they deserve it? That's not a fucking morality, that's being a self-righteous ass.

      What next, wanting us stoned for idolatry? Go stone yourself.

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    11. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      You are saying this was primarily marketed to closet gays in sub-Saharan Africa?

      I think he's confusing the terms "blackmail" and "black male".

    12. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      Things like this always remind of movies like "taken".

      It's all fun and games until they pick a serial killer that hears god's voice telling him to punish the wicked and is using the site to lure sinners to a horrible death.

    13. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    14. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by smooth+wombat · · Score: 0

      If they're willing to cheat on their spouse, why should I trust them as an employee to not cheat me?

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    15. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awww,,, did you get offended that someone looks down on your lack of morality? Was the butthurt too much for you to bear?

    16. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      If they are faithful to their spouse, are they any less likely to cheat their employer? I wonder. And regardless of the correlation, what counts is the matter of privacy. If no laws are broken, your employer has no business knowing about that any more than your sexual orientation, your fetishes, or how you treat your neighbours.

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    17. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by DarkOx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      At least here in Virgina adultery is still in fact a crime, though rarely prosecuted unfortunately. As it should be, because I does in fact harm society at large and the party who is cheated on is essentially being defrauded with regard to their marriage contract.

      Personally I would like to see the state go after some of the AM users whose actual cheating can otherwise be corroborated. I think it would send a good message, and the fine is $250 bucks so its not ruin anyone. Sadly it wont happen since the lefties captured the governors office.

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    18. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess, you're against divorce, too, right?

    19. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2

      At least here in Virgina adultery is still in fact a crime

      How many laws have you violated today? I doubt that it's zero.

    20. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by cjjjer · · Score: 1

      That is pretty much every current "hookup site" that ever existed not just AM.

    21. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by houghi · · Score: 2, Informative

      I would like the state to bud out what I do with my sexlife and if I cheat or not. If my wife has an issue, she can sue and get all the monies, but is should NOT be a default.

      Next the state will decide who I can and can not merry and how often I MUST have sex with said person.

      Adultery happens, get over it. If you don't do it, that is great. If your SO does not do it either, even better. But do not say what I should or should not do, even though I am against cheating on a personal level.

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    22. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      Putting aside the underlying puritanical bullshit, who broke the law here? Yes, that's right, the hackers and the extortionists. Wah wah wah, people have affairs and they'e evil people .. such moralizing bullshit. Neither Ashley Madison nor the people using the site broke any laws.

      That isn't true, depending on what state you live in! Adultery is absolutely a crime in Virgina and probably other states. It should be a crime everywhere. If you are committing adultery and you are violating your marriage contract. At least if you spouse is ignorant of this its likely they are investing in the partnership in ways that would be against their interest if the marriage isn't sustainable. If they were aware of your misbehavior and would stop doing that in light of it you have induced them to act against their own interest by misrepresentation. That is basically the text book definition of FRAUD.

      We don't tolerate legally or societal fraud elsewhere there is no justifiable reason it should be tolerated with regard to marriage. The reason it is tolerated is because progressives hate the idea of the family unit. Its a little to autonomous and independent for them so they do what they can break it down including stacking the legal framework against it.

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    23. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you know that your employee and his or her partner aren't polyamorous, or don't have some other kind of open relationship or alternative lifestyle that they've mutually agreed to? Granted, this doesn't seem to be the focus of AM, but I can see how someone in that kind of relationship might have taken out a profile on AM looking for people to date.

    24. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Funny, Ive never cheated, but I managed to outgrow the "holier than thou" attitude when I disavowed Christianity and returned to being an atheist.

      It's attitudes like yours that make it so easy to blackmail people. Ditto for inflaming the situation in individual cases rather than trying to work out a solution that's in the best interests of everyone. In other words, self-righteous assholes like you are a big part of the problem.

      When you writ4

      Quite frankly, screw everyone all around in this ordeal. It's disgusting we're still talking about this.

      it makes me ask if you're secretly a masochist, because if you're so disgusted about it, why are YOU still talking about it? You obviously get off on it, so you might just as well stop being a hypocrite and admit it ....

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    25. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Wycliffe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      especially if you do it only because of the blackmail money - cheapskate

      Not paying up for blackmail is not being a cheapskate. It makes zero sense to pay blackmail money. So you pay the $2k today, what did that actually gain you? What's to stop them from coming back tomorrow and demanding another $2k or the week after and demanding $40k? What's to stop someone else from demanding $2k? Paying to keep information secret is a game you can't win. Old movies would try to pretend that you are paying for the originals or that they destroy all the other copies but in today's world it's impossible to prove that so it makes zero sense to ever pay blackmail. The only place it might make a little sense is if you get in a situation where it's either a continue flow of money and/or the identity of the blackmailer is known and has something to lose if they are found out as well. This occasionally happens where some politician pays support money for an illegitimate child or something like that but even this is a fool's game as the blackmailer can always increase the amount of money required at any time. Any time you're in a situation where there is one sided leverage then your best and only option is to figure out how to remove that leverage from being used.

    26. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      Putting aside the underlying puritanical bullshit, who broke the law here? Yes, that's right, the hackers and the extortionists.

      Depends on where it happened there are still plenty of states in the US (around 20) and other countries where adultery is a crime. It's a class c misdemeanor in my state so a small fine but it can be used against you in divorce proceedings to get alimony.

    27. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're living in a society where questioning individuals' rights to do whatever the fuck they want without so much as a casual thought to the social ramifications gets you labelled a Commie. We've lost all perspective with regards the value of social structure in our euphoric hurry to give individuals rights that don't add up to anything meaningful.

    28. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should move to Salem, Massachusetts, and bring back witch burning while you're at it ...

      If you're so hot and bothered with other people's lives and think that they deserve to be punished, then GET OFF YOUR LAZY ASS AND REPORT THEM. The data is all there, free for you to access.

      Of course, the only thing that would happen if you made a big stink about it is that the whole internet would laugh at you - kind of like what's happening here today, but more ...

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    29. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why do you care what other people do in their bedrooms?

    30. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by laie_techie · · Score: 1

      Putting aside the underlying puritanical bullshit, who broke the law here? Yes, that's right, the hackers and the extortionists. Wah wah wah, people have affairs and they'e evil people .. such moralizing bullshit. Neither Ashley Madison nor the people using the site broke any laws.

      That isn't true, depending on what state you live in! Adultery is absolutely a crime in Virgina and probably other states.

      Utah is another such state. Because of its polygamous past, the US Congress forced the state constitution to legally define marriage as being between one man and one woman (though part of that got thrown out with same-sex marriage now legal nation-wide). The state constitution also makes any extra-marital affairs illegal (though this is rarely enforced).

      It should be a crime everywhere. If you are committing adultery and you are violating your marriage contract. At least if you spouse is ignorant of this its likely they are investing in the partnership in ways that would be against their interest if the marriage isn't sustainable. If they were aware of your misbehavior and would stop doing that in light of it you have induced them to act against their own interest by misrepresentation. That is basically the text book definition of FRAUD.

      We don't tolerate legally or societal fraud elsewhere there is no justifiable reason it should be tolerated with regard to marriage. The reason it is tolerated is because progressives hate the idea of the family unit. Its a little to autonomous and independent for them so they do what they can break it down including stacking the legal framework against it.

      That's a good view; marriage is a contract. If you violate the contract, your partner can void the contract without prejudice (meaning, in part, that prenuptial agrees are no longer in effect).

    31. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      At least if you spouse is ignorant of this its likely they are investing in the partnership in ways that would be against their interest if the marriage isn't sustainable. If they were aware of your misbehavior and would stop doing that in light of it you have induced them to act against their own interest by misrepresentation. That is basically the text book definition of FRAUD.

      No it is not.

      From USLEGAL.com:Fraud is generally defined in the law as an intentional misrepresentation of material existing fact made by one person to another with knowledge of its falsity and for the purpose of inducing the other person to act, and upon which the other person relies with resulting injury or damage.

      Note the "inducing the other person to act" and "resulting injury or damage."

      The reason it is tolerated is because progressives hate the idea of the family unit. Its a little to autonomous and independent for them so they do what they can break it down including stacking the legal framework against it.

      Utter fucking nonsense.

    32. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by N1AK · · Score: 1

      If you're dumb enough to ask questions like that, do you disclose it when interviewing people so they can decide whether they want to work for you so they can make an informed decision?

    33. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should you trust they won't cheat on you? Uhhh... Are you having sex with them in an exclusive relationship? No? Then apples and oranges, man. Just because they are having issues in their marriage has no bearing on them stealing money from your company. It's called their life outside of work. It's not all about you .

    34. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should move to Salem, Massachusetts, and bring back witch burning while you're at it ...

      Oddly I had to look up if adultery where a crime in my state because I didn't know. Apparently it's a misdemeanor and can be used to deny a no fault divorce which would allow you to seek alimony. Massachusetts adultery is a felony and you could serve up to four years in prison.

    35. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

      There's a reason insurance companies use statistics to generate rates for people such as young drivers are more likely to be involved in accidents so their rates are necessarily higher.

      In a similar vein, people with good credit scores are more likely to take care of their car or other possessions compared to those with lower credit scores.

      So yes, those who are faithful are, on the whole, less likely to cheat their employer.

      Also, how you act in your private life may impact your business life. If someone knows you work for ABC Company and sees you out driving erratically, cutting people off and so on, that may make them less likely to want to do business with ABC.

      So knowing that Bob has been cheating on his wife may make some employers, unconsciously, wonder if he's cheating them as well.

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    36. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So your answer to an immoral activity which isn't even illegal in most areas is to condone an extremely illegal act, like blackmail? I suppose for your next trick you'll suggest that hiring a hitman to kill your neighbor because he has a live in girlfriend/boyfriend isn't something to be concerned with.

    37. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Sure, and ISIS will stone you for adultery. I don't respect their authority either. See, your religion doesn't confer an obligation on me.

      I'm not defending adultery ... do it and deal with it if you get caught. Not my damned problem. I've never done it, but I'm not such an ass as to believe I have the right to make it a crime.

      But calling it fraud as a fucking crime? Yeah, go beat your wife with a rod no bigger than your thumb. Force your daughter to marry her rapist.

      So, I'll tell you what ... if you personally promise to go kill the next pastor who gets caught dipping his wick, or the next senator using his "wide stance" in an airport bathroom to get a little slap and tickle, great.

      But don't pretend like your moral outrage, or the moral outage of all of the other hypocrites has anything to do with law.

      Reality isn't defined by your fucking religious beliefs. And ideally, neither are laws. That's why the US has a separation of church and state.

      I consider having the world adhere to what asshole Christians say to be as abhorrent as adhering to what asshole Muslims have to say. It's allowing someone to dictate what you can do based on their approval.

      The "progressives" don't hate the family unit, they just refuse to let assholes define it.

      So, unless you think it would be okay to impose Sharia law on you, don't fucking pretend that the crap in your magic little book you think was written by your imaginary friend should be imposed on everyone else.

      If you do, you're just another fucking religious hypocrite.

      You're just some nut on a corner screeching about idolaters and fornicators. Don't expect me to give a crap.

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    38. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Breach of contract is not a crime, nor should it be. Your position is contradictory, as on the one hand you say that marriage is a contract, and on the other hand you say that breaching it should be prosecuted as a crime (which makes no sense if it is a contract).

      You sound like a moral puritan, though, so you probably don't care about law or justice as much as you care about forcing others to live according to your moral values.

      People are driven (by hormones and social forces) to marry when they are still far too young to have a clue about what they actually need in a livelong domestic partner. Some of them luck out, but many of them wind up feeling like they have just been victimized by a bait-and-switch. Their reactions to this trap are not always wise or noble, but they are common.

      I, for one, am very glad I don't live in Virginia.

    39. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Those are some interesting coordinates you "snuck" into your post. What did the Moore family at 10541 Pineview Rd, Manassas, VA 20111 ever do to you?

    40. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no reason for criminal penalties, civil is plenty enough.

      Frankly it strikes me as you have a bit of an axe to grind. Maybe you should have loved her more.

    41. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      And here we have a prime example of a member of the American Taliban.

      I guess you really like the ISIS guys and how they enforce social norms too, right?

    42. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There is absolutely no substantiation for the claim that "most of the membership" used the service for that reason. Some, maybe.

    43. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by ZeroWaiteState · · Score: 1

      What you fail to grasp is that blackmail can be used to gain things instead of just money. It can, for example, be used to alter government policy, or deter police investigations. That's the whole purpose of honeytraps in the intelligence services. If you think leading a virtuous life means blackmail won't affect you, you're not thinking creatively enough.

    44. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Grishnakh · · Score: 0

      [In] Massachusetts adultery is a felony and you could serve up to four years in prison.

      Good ol' Blue States....

    45. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by phorm · · Score: 1

      The issue at hand seems to be more regarding what people do in somebody else's bedroom...

    46. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      And yet that definition is inherently unfair to those couples who WANT to be married AND have an open relationship. Most of the "successful" open relationships I know of (success being defined as everyone is aware, it doesn't cause drama / jealousy, etc) is within the boundaries of a legal marriage. The marriage actually adds quite a bit of stability to their lives, keeps the partners from totally going off the rails, and gives them a foundation to return to. This isn't cheating; they don't hide anything from each other. They have various reasons for it...but for it to be a felony is ridiculous. As for breaking a contract, if the two married people choose to make their own vows and PURPOSELY leave out "forsaking all others" etc, should they still face the legal ramifications of a court system that legislates what morality behind closed doors is supposed to be like?

      On a side note, anyone who calls themselves a Libertarian and yet is still pushing for governmental intrusion into bedroom activities is a hypocrite on the highest level.

    47. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WOW a shashdotter using commas improperly.
      Really???

      ...

      Might be good reason for it, maybe, no reason for it, but, no need to subject both parties to harm.

      CFTFY (Can't fix, that, for you.)

    48. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are comparing totally different metrics to support your point. Lying through statistics is still lying.

    49. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just don't be sleeping around after you move to Salem -- adultery is illegal in Massachusetts, too.

      Link to the laws of MA, which specify up to three years in the state prison for this offense:
      https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter272/Section14

      Most of chapter 272 of the Massachusetts general laws is "special"... it also outlaws blasphemy (section 36) and "the abominable and detestable crime against nature" (section 34).

    50. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the membership was closet gay people who didn't want to be outed.

      Upon what information do you base this on? It sounds more like wishful thinking on your part than any valid data analysis.

    51. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can have all that. Simply don't get married, instead offer your partner a contract, or just agree to live together and share stuff as long as it suits you.

      Marriage is just a pre-packaged contract between two people, with standard terms. They are popular because they are cheaper than getting a custom contract drawn up, and if there is a dispute it's generally cheaper and easier to resolve because the courts are well versed in the terms. It's better for people who are not lawyers too, because the terms are well advertised and understood, unlike a contract full of legalese.

      Unfortunately for you, many people are not willing to accept custom relationship contracts. Marriage is perceived as basically fair, and in most developed nations it more or less objectively is, so any desire to avoid those terms is seen as a desire for one side to benefit at the expense of the other.

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    52. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by unencode200x · · Score: 1

      Has anyone been convicted in the past 50 years? In WI it's supposedly a felony too.

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    53. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      So your claiming that Dwight D Eisenhower hated the idea of the family unit? People like yourself show a very sad lack of historical knowledge and perspective; before Fox News and Rush / O'rielly . etc, there was this thing called the Progressive Republican Platform. Turn off the biased TV, and learn some history. Do you also throw around terms like "libtard" and "cuckservative"?

      "In all those things which deal with people, be liberal, be human. In all those things which deal with people's money, or their economy, or their form of government, be conservative." - President Dwight D. Eisenhower

      "The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere." - President Abraham Lincoln

      We can be BOTH liberal and conservative; neither ideal has a 100% fit for all situations. Pushing for 100% for either is nothing except authoritarianism in disguise. We should be able to combine logic and empathy with freedom.

    54. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

      Oddly the last GOD FEARING CHRISTIAN REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR was committing adultery when he was in office. Oh, that was before he got thrown in jail. The Christian Taliban is so fucked up.

    55. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Alypius · · Score: 0

      It actually gets you labeled a bigot. People only care about Republican bedrooms.

    56. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Grishnakh · · Score: 0

      I, for one, am very glad I don't live in Virginia.

      Well apparently, according to another poster here, blue-state Massachusetts is much worse, with it being a felony punishable by 4 years in prison!

      Gotta love those blue states. New Jersey, another blue state, has counties (most notably Bergen Co.) with blue laws where businesses aren't allowed to be open on Sunday (except restaurants for some odd reason, and probably things like gas stations). And the "liberals" there love these moralistic laws! "They give workers time off!" Yeah, I'm sure underpaid minimum-wage workers just *love* being forced to take unpaid time off.

      I think we should come up with some new terms besides "liberal" and "conservative": the "liberalism" practiced in northeast states does not even remotely resemble the "liberalism" seen in west-coast cities like SanFran, Portland, or Seattle. You would never, ever see blue laws on the west coast, and certainly not criminalization of adultery.

    57. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      I take it that it is rarely prosecuted and only used in divorces as cause for alimony.

    58. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's tempting to blame the victims here given the advertised purpose of the website but keep in mind that making generalizations about any group isn't going to accurately describe all of the members of that group. One of my friends was a victim of this breach and received a blackmail letter. She joined the site because she was worried her husband was cheating and wanted to see if he had an account. (He didn't but it turned out he was cheating and she caught him eventually by other means.) After the breach she's had to live with the fear that a whole group of moral vigilantes and scumbags have her in their crosshairs. They have her address and they've tracked her down and threatened to blackmail her. Thankfully no one has shown up at her door yet but she's worried one day they might. So please, have some sympathy for people who get these letters. They aren't necessarily all cheaters and even if they were, no one deserves to live in fear.

    59. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      I suggest you look into Christian Atheism. It's an interesting idea for those of us who think that the "teachings of Jesus" have many good ideas yet reject the idea of a interventionist God. You know, those ideas like "do unto others", helping the poor, don't covet others possessions, etc.

    60. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by mschuyler · · Score: 1

      In what "marriage contract" does it say, "You may not "cheat" on your spouse."? I looked around and I couldn't find this "marriage contract" of which you speak. Will you please show me where I signed on the dotted line? I've observed some marriages where the Preacher Man says something like, "you shall foresake all others" as part of the vows, but certainly not all, and you could make a case for this being a pretty vague and unenforceable clause.

      But the fact is, the vows are a religious issue and "marriage" in terms of the legalities (marriage license, resulting common properties, etc.) make no mention of "cheating" being any sort of legal violation.

      In order to "break" a contract, you must have a contract to break, a clause that can empirically shown to be agreed to and violated. But the only such "contract" is in your imagination.

      Which means you are completely full of shit.

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    61. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      It's tempting to blame the victims here given the advertised purpose of the website but keep in mind that making generalizations about any group isn't going to accurately describe all of the members of that group.

      I agree, which is why I specified actual cheaters, as opposed to the gawkers, the sleuths, the open-marriage types (who probably wouldn't care if his/her spouse found out), etc.

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    62. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Maybe he's confusing it with all the men on GRINDR who say to their wives that they're not gay? There are enough politicians getting caught to make it hard to keep it all straight :-)

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    63. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by pr0fessor · · Score: 2

      No but I read a story about a them using it against a rape victim to compel them to testify in 2009.

    64. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Next the state will decide who I can and can not merry...

      Yeah!!! Mirth should be free for all!

    65. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Q: How was this modded up?

      A: By a bunch of pencil dick nerds whose wives cheat on them regularly.

    66. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America was founded on freedom, asshole. I'm an American, and I love freedom.

      Freedom means choosing your own values. Being forced to accept someone else's values is the opposite of freedom, asshole.

      We should live in a society where people can do whatever the fuck they want. That's what "freedom" means, asshole. And since you are probably enough of an asshole to try and point out a contradiction where there isn't one, I am not advocating anarchy, as it is obvious that people should not be free to do things that directly harm others. The need to balance individual freedom against harm to others is obvious.

      Breaking a promise to someone else is harmful, but not so harmful that we throw people in jail for it. That same principle applies to sexual practices between consenting adults, duh.

      Take your moral dictatorship and shove it up your ass.

    67. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I violated 3 today

      “Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.”

    68. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Not to be pedantic, but nobody was burned in Salem. They were hanged, with the exception of Giles Corey who got crushed under rocks.

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    69. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being someone of libertarian bent living in New Jersey, it feels a lot like old Salem, MA.

    70. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But calling it fraud as a fucking crime?

      Well, if you're going to criminalize adultery, by definition it would be a *fucking* crime.

    71. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by s122604 · · Score: 1

      Actually adultery is still on the books as a criminal offense in many states, particularly in the south
      But realistically, it's never (well hardly ever) prosecuted..

      It will, however, still get you tossed from the military

    72. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I see a meme running here that assumes that adultery is always cheating. Think again.

    73. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhhh, not sure how to approach this one. Have you ever heard the term "go down to the court house and get married"? I am personally identified as witness to 3 marriage contracts. 1 in the UK, 2 in the US. It may not have literally been called a marriage contract, but that's fundamentally what it was. I'm not sure what all was written in it, being that I'm not married and only acted as witness, but they definitely signed a legal document.

    74. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by meeotch · · Score: 1

      Next the state will decide who I can and can not merry and how often I MUST have sex with said person.

      Oh no... Santa? Is that you? Wh - what are you doing to Mommy?

    75. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... blue laws where businesses aren't allowed to be open on Sunday (except restaurants for some odd reason, and probably things like gas stations)

      All the New England Christians need somewhere to eat after church, because they're supposed to be observing the Christian Sabbath and not working. Doesn't mean someone else can't go to hell so they can get their eggs Benedict... and don't even get me started on dry counties and alcohol blue laws.

    76. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      Considering the number of actual women on Ashley Madison, his wife can sleep well, there is no way he cheated on her that way.

    77. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a crime to have sex outside of marriage.

      It is also a crime to wash your mule on the sidewalk.

      It is also a crime not to honk at a passing car.

      http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/virginia

    78. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow that would really *send a message*.

      You know what would send a better message? If we STONED the adulterers! Or hey how about burning them at the stake!

      Also, I would like to point out:

      1) "...because I does in fact harm society...."

      Freudian slip? A sure sign of a guilty conscience. GUILTY.

      2) First you say adultery is rarely prosecuted, and that is "as it should be". Then you say you want the state to prosecute adulterers on AM.

      I must therefore conclude: 1) you yourself are hiding something, 2) you are a befuddled idiot, and 3) you must be in league with Muslim fundamentalists and terrorists like ISIS.

      Welcome to the slippery slope, so long, nice knowin ya, and don't bother trying to grab on to any ropes or vines you see growing along the sides. They aren't actually anchored to anything.

    79. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Woldscum · · Score: 1

      Not that easy. If you just live together depending on the state it is considered a common law marriage. The time together dependens on the state. Relationship contracts like prenups will still need to go through court if it is a bad breakup. God forbid if kids are involved.

    80. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by bonehead · · Score: 1

      You either have character or you don't.

      Cheating on your wife may not be "proof" that you'd steal from me if I hired you, but it is definitely proof that you lack integrity and are not they type of person that I would want to associate with on either a professional or personal level.

    81. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I once spent a little over six months driving (completely drunk) around the US. I really would have liked an app that told me if I was headed into a dry county. I've since stopped drinking. Somehow, I avoided every OUI - with numerous stops. Man, I was shitfaced the whole time. I visited a large tree in Kansas only it turned out to be dead from a lightning strike. I later got kicked out of Kansas. I gotta say, the parts I remember are kind of funny but, in hindsight, I do regret it. Thus, I no longer drink. I'm just too good at drinking. I gave it a 40 year run and I retired to let someone else take my place.

      Oddly, and I've still not quite figured out how, I was a perfectly functional alcoholic until I retired. Then something ticked. I didn't drink more, I just got sloppy drunk. I have no idea how that happened. My headshrinker has given me some ideas but they don't seem to quite fit.

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    82. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by ewibble · · Score: 1

      Having sex with someone else is immoral if you are married or not, if you are in a relationship, which is understood to be exclusive. I do not think it is any worse morally to cheat if you are just in a relationship, or married.

    83. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      In that same vein, I'm a secular Buddhist. I even go on refuge, describe my path, and take advice on how to walk it. I've not been allowed back into Nepal in about three years but I'm hoping I can go back soon.

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    84. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by ewibble · · Score: 2

      I have a question? If you are married and your partner refuses to have sex with you on a regular basis, or uses sex to get you to do things for them, are they in violation of that contract? Since you cannot go to someone for that service.

      This is nonsense, you cannot force someone to love you, or find you attractive, no matter what the law says. That is the real reason that adultery is bad, because it hurts the other person, it shows that you do not love them, and that hurts. The reason it is not enforced in Virgina is it would be ridiculous to do so.

    85. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So yes, those who are faithful are, on the whole, less likely to cheat their employer.

      [citation needed]

    86. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Adultery is absolutely a crime in Virgina

      It's spelled "vagina". Does that mean nudging the fudge and tickling the tonsils don't count?

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    87. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      It will, however, still get you tossed from the military

      I see what you did there.

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    88. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by rsborg · · Score: 1

      I, for one, am very glad I don't live in Virginia.

      Well apparently, according to another poster here, blue-state Massachusetts is much worse, with it being a felony punishable by 4 years in prison!

      Gotta love those blue states. New Jersey, another blue state, has counties (most notably Bergen Co.) with blue laws where businesses aren't allowed to be open on Sunday (except restaurants for some odd reason, and probably things like gas stations). And the "liberals" there love these moralistic laws! "They give workers time off!" Yeah, I'm sure underpaid minimum-wage workers just *love* being forced to take unpaid time off.

      I think we should come up with some new terms besides "liberal" and "conservative": the "liberalism" practiced in northeast states does not even remotely resemble the "liberalism" seen in west-coast cities like SanFran, Portland, or Seattle. You would never, ever see blue laws on the west coast, and certainly not criminalization of adultery.

      It's not a red or blue thing. Utah pretty much shuts down on Sunday too.

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    89. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by ewibble · · Score: 1

      Have you, or anyone (or organization) you know actually collected the statistics between the correlation of cheating on a spouse and cheating their employers. I assure you insurance companies have, those statistics for traffic accidents. There is a big difference between making some random assertion and actually having some real proof to back it up.

    90. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Marriage is just a pre-packaged contract between two people, with standard terms [...] the terms are well advertised and understood [...] in most developed nations it more or less objectively is [fair]

      Oh, hell, no. It's a pre-packaged contract, but the terms are anything but well-advertised or understood, and it's blatantly unfair in many cases. You say an oath, which isn't binding, and sign a piece of paper, which is - despite the paper containing no description of the terms of the contract. The terms also change over time: divorces and marital disputes are judged by the family law of today, not what it was when the couple got married. In some jurisdictions you can even find yourself bound by the contract after cohabiting with a partner for a year, without even being aware that the contract exists.

      If engaged couples were presented with a full description of the standard terms and conditions of marriage, including the clauses regarding division of assets on divorce, half of them wouldn't get married. Which is why this should happen, because those marriages are unfair to the people who aren't aware of the terms; and why it won't happen, because society likes people to be married.

    91. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You know, those ideas like "do unto others"

      Does that mean that if she's screwing her tennis instructor I have to screw him too? I'd much rather bonk that chubby redhead from HR with the blouse like a photo finish in a Zeppelin race.

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    92. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You kinda' promised not to cheat as part of the marriage contract. If you want to cheat, don't get married. If you are married and want to cheat, expect that breaking a contract will include some consequences.

      It has nothing to do with the state other than property being divided up in the event the marriage ends.

      Your morality has nothing to do with it. It's a contract about money/property.

      I mean, if it's okay with you that we have contracts in this country.

    93. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      It's mostly a historical thing. There are people who were completely legitimate "liberals" and "progressives" in earlier times who would have found adultery and homosexuality abominable. Their "radicalism" or "liberalism" was the ability for all men to vote, or for the government to not shut down the free press. Of course, there were always people who thought that women should be able to vote, or homosexuals shouldn't be hung, but those were very, very radical people.

      The important thing to realist is that most (although not all) of today's conservatives espouse principles that would have made them liberals in the past.

      In effect, the "blue" states kept moving down the radical slope, and the conservatives simply kept trying to maintain the status quo that had been won by their liberal forebears. In that fight, the progressives would try to convince everyone that their reforms wouldn't mean that society was falling into a (relative) moral abyss by changing the existing order. So blue states will have laws that reflect what used to be the bright line where they assumed no one would ever go over. It was their response to the "slippery slope" arguments that conservatives made. It's not that they were just trying to appease conservatives... the liberals of the time actually believed that something like adultery could not be allowed to be legal.

    94. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Not paying up for blackmail is not being a cheapskate. It makes zero sense to pay blackmail money. So you pay the $2k today, what did that actually gain you? What's to stop them from coming back tomorrow and demanding another $2k or the week after and demanding $40k? What's to stop someone else from demanding $2k? Paying to keep information secret is a game you can't win.

      As a one-time payoff I agree and you're a fool to pay if many people know, if you're under blackmail you should expect it to be ongoing. However, they don't want to lose you as a blackmail victim either so in a one-on-one situation you might try to reach some sort of understanding of how much it's worth to you and if they demand more you'll just own up to it and they get nothing. Better bring your poker face though.

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    95. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While hypocrisy is a very poor example, the failure to achieve a certain standard does not imply that the standard is worthless, it just implies that conforming to it is non-trivial.

      For the sincere but imperfect conservative then, it may be wise to be a person who promotes that viewpoint without acting holier than thou about it.

      However, asserting that there is a better way of doing things and not following that method personally, merely shows personal failure to meet their own standard. If I was to say that because this one politician was a bad Christian, therefore the whole thing is bogus would be a fallacy.

      Since according to Christianity, every person is a sinner by default, its not really a gotcha moment to catch someone sinning. The biggest problem is when people are not sufficiently critical of those who imply they are perfect because they are Christian. A Christian who is paying attention should know that everyone around them is sinning all the time, including their pastor or minister, and certainly some politician.

    96. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Marriage used to have real property and public order implications because it used to be almost a major transaction. The reason it was illegal was due to that as much as due to morality.

      Note that our views on love and marriage are anachronistic against the time period where these laws were enacted.

    97. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, wait, is your entire morality based on retribution against strangers because you feel they deserve it?

      What's your morality based on?

      who broke the law

      Aha.

    98. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      Oddly I had to look up if adultery where a crime in my state because I didn't know. Apparently it's a misdemeanor and can be used to deny a no fault divorce which would allow you to seek alimony. Massachusetts adultery is a felony and you could serve up to four years in prison.

      WTF. And bloody Americans tell everyone, whether they want to listen or not, that they live in the freest country in the world.

      Admittedly adultery would carry severe risk of damage to certain body parts for me, but the state wouldn't give a damn about it. Exactly as it should be.

    99. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      Mod me down all you want, kids, but you know I'm right. ;)

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    100. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you know the intimate personal lives of everyone you deal with at work? Unless you are J. Edgar Hoover, I doubt it. You might be surprised if you only knew -- but of course you don't, because you are not entitled to. Their personal lives are none of your damned business.

    101. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by pr0fessor · · Score: 2

      My wife told me once "If we ever get divorced I'm keeping the penis, you'll just have to learn to pee sitting down." sadly I didn't have a good come back at the time.

    102. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume you're asking this in a sort of hypothetical way? Because the motivation behind cheating on your spouse can vary widely, so you really don't get much information from that fact unless you're intimately aware of their entire marital life. Likewise, does any business treat their employees like a spouse? If you're willing to harm and take advantage of your employees... do you beat your wife? It's an absurd comparison. Morality has very little to do with business, as virtually every business owner or manager must know.

    103. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there any evidence at all that infidelity correlates with cheating your employer? Because those two things seem to have nothing to do with one another. That a business might legally discriminate against you for your legal but immoral actions doesn't make any difference within your argument - they might also fire me because they don't trust people who donate to the KKK, or those who donate to the ACLU. There are probably millions of people who would steal from their business (fuck them, they take advantage of labor) but never cheat on their spouses, and millions of people who would never commit a crime but will cheat.

    104. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny i cheated the fuck out my previous employer.

      Never cheated on my spouse.

      That's because I care about my wife. Don't give a rat's ass about a billion dollar corp and their shareholders.

    105. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [citation needed]. Only s few Islamic countries stone gays to death. And I doubt Internet access and English literacy (requisites to access the website in question) are high enough there for them to have anything close to 1% of user. Besides, the attackers would have used a different angle if their main targets were gays instead of married (wo)men.

    106. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Utah pretty much shuts down on Sunday too.

      Not by law.

    107. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where "FREEDOM" = religious extremism + slavery + ruthless exploitation of poor arrivals + extermination of the locals + avoidance of fiscal obligations to sustaining Powers.

    108. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      one, I am not advocating anarchy, as it is obvious that people should not be free to do things that directly harm others.

      That's not what anarchy means, derp
      The need to balance individual freedom against harm to others is obvious.
      Breaking a promise to someone else is harmful, but not so harmful that we throw people in jail for it. That same principle applies to sexual practices between consenting adults, duh.
      Take your moral dictatorship and shove it up your ass.

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    109. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That explains a lot of the stupid shit that pours out of your mouth here.

    110. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      speaking of derp ... thanks mobile gui.

      not so harmful that we throw people in jail for it. That same principle applies to sexual practices between consenting adults, duh.

      why the sexual hangup? why not every consensual interaction?

      Take your moral dictatorship and shove it up your ass.

      so moral monopolies are bad but legal ones are good? Try for consistency dude.

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    111. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its funny how homosexuality is a capital offence in nations where the majority of males have had homosexual relations....passive/receiving when boys and then active/top when adults.
      Its deeply embedded in the Moslem psyche.

    112. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's up next? The Zoe Quinn definition of rape?

    113. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Most of the membership was closet gay people who didn't want to be outed. Especially since being gay is punishable by death in some countries and cultures.

      One person posted to reddit saying that they were a gay guy in Saudi Arabia who feared being outed and killed. The post was highly upvoted, various blogs and news sites (not that there's much difference) picked up the story, and it became exaggerated each time it was retold, eventually reaching the belief in your mind that "Most of the membership was closet gay people".

      I might change my mind if I saw even one substantiated case of a gay guy being outed and attacked - but for now, my bet is that the original poster on reddit was from the Ashley Madison marketing team.

    114. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Funny, Ive never cheated, but I managed to outgrow the "holier than thou" attitude when I disavowed Christianity and returned to being an atheist.

      Hear, hear.

      It's attitudes like yours that make it so easy to blackmail people.

      It's attitude like his which are causing the Millenials to abandon Christianity. And for good reason. How ironic is it that the religion centered on the guy who said "do not judge lest thee be judged" is full of the most judgmental, self-righteous assholes on this side of the planet?

    115. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      LOL, having to have sex with the same person is far more like Old Testament King Solomon's idea of cutting a baby in half...but if that was the actual "law", then any 3rd party might really never want to be in an affair with a married person haha

    116. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Meh, people have been screwing around on one another for as long as they've had one another.

      Putting aside the underlying puritanical bullshit, who broke the law here? Yes, that's right, the hackers and the extortionists. Wah wah wah, people have affairs and they'e evil people .. such moralizing bullshit. Neither Ashley Madison nor the people using the site broke any laws.

      Yes, but remember those who used Ashley Madison set themselves up for this. No one forced them to use that service, they did so of their own accord knowing they were cheating on their partners.

      I have no sympathy for them.

      However the consequences that the blackmailee's want to avoid (no, I cant call them victims) is the financial consequences of their spouses finding out. They signed a legal agreement that gives them some financial liability, especially if they have children. This is what the cheaters fear and why the law doesn't really have any obligation to protect them beyond catching the blackmailers.

      So stop making out like the people who used Ashley Madison are innocent. Just because they did not break any criminal laws does not make them saints.

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    117. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      It's a little more complicated than that, though. Those "conservatives" frequently want change too; there's a bunch of conservatives who want marijuana legalized, for instance. You don't see it in the east-coast "liberal" states much (except DC), but Arizona is pretty "red" and has medical marijuana that's really easy to get a card for, unlike blue New Jersey where it's nearly impossible to get legal medical MJ.

      Also, look at gun laws: you'd think that blue states would universally be anti-gun, but Bernie's home state of Vermont is about as lax on guns as you can get.

      So IMO it really depends on the issue, and the stances on various issues w.r.t. liberal vs. conservative vary a lot by region.

      Another example: in New York, you'll see armed combat troops (NG) being used as police in NYC. You'd never see that on the west coast.

    118. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I used to live in NJ too, however I only saw the really stupid stuff if I ventured up to Bergen county. I did notice that liquor stores weren't allowed to be open on Sunday mornings (seemingly state-wide), so that did irk me; I never saw anything like that in red-state, home of Joe Arpaio Arizona where I used to live.

    119. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fair point.

      That said, the lack of evidence doesn't stop people from making (potentially false) correlations.

      For example, I have very serious doubts about the integrity of religious people. If they are & up in arms and denouncing someone else's moral standards, then I pretty much assume that they are scumbags & hypocrites. Do I have evidence of this, no. Just prior experience. (They quiet ones seem more honest.)

    120. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Master+Moose · · Score: 1

      INext the state will decide who I can and can not merry and how often I MUST have sex with said person.

      I wish may state did that, then I could show the legislation to my wife every time she refuses. Even if the state legislates minimal contact, I'm bound to be doubling what I am getting now :)

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    121. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Master+Moose · · Score: 1

      I agree, which is why I specified actual cheaters, as opposed to the gawkers, the sleuths, the open-marriage types (who probably wouldn't care if his/her spouse found out), etc.

      No while the open marriage types may not care that their wife/husband found out. The blackmail letter threatened to contact, workmates, and other family members.

      The blackmailers do not care about the (moral)"crimes" committed by the blackmailee, They are opportunist criminals seeking to make a buck (bitcoin)

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    122. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You can have all that

      No you can't. The same state that regulates the terms of marriage is the state that does not honor those contracts. That was a big problem for the gay community, that despite a increasing number of places around the world recognising their partnership they were treated legally differently than a married couple without any recourse.

      Take a trip to an immigration department in Germany to bring in your "partner" of 20 years. The only question will be "Why did you say partner? You mean you're not married? Well that was an easy case, time for my lunchbreak!" *reaches for the denied stamp*.

    123. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      and if they demand more you'll just own up to it and they get nothing.

      For each dollar spent the incentive to do that decreases. It's a downward death spiral that will never end in your favour. Your final scenario is identical to the original except that you're not out of pocket for money already paid too.

      This is a game where it does not make sense to play.

    124. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      It should be a crime everywhere. If you are committing adultery and you are violating your marriage contract.

      Since when is contract violation a crime rather than a civil dispute?

    125. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by tibit · · Score: 1

      I have a friend who uses the site. His wife uses it, too. They like doing it with other people every so often, to spice things up. They are open about it with each other. I can't imagine that they are the only ones. They are perhaps in the minority since their relationship is good enough that they can be open about such things with each other, but still: they are not the only ones. They didn't get a letter yet, but they are both quite worked up about what happens if they do. They look forward to it, they decided to play the extortionists as long as they can, and mess their schemes up as much as possible. Their friends all know what's up, and their family too, for the most part, so the blackmail opportunity simply doesn't exist: they've got nothing to hide.

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    126. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by tibit · · Score: 1

      Note the "inducing the other person to act" and "resulting injury or damage."

      Leading someone on in a marriage that is built on rules that you're purposefully breaking is both inducing the other person to act and does result in clear injury/damages. Utter fucking nonsense back at ya.

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    127. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by tibit · · Score: 1

      My and my wife have had a civil marriage in Europe and there was nothing in the legalese we had to recite about maintaining a monogamous relationship. Literally nothing.

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    128. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by tibit · · Score: 1

      Heck, If I put my cynic's hat on, I think that the whole purpose of the website was to be "hacked" and blackmail members for even more money... How do we know that the owners have clean hands here? They were out to defraud their customers from day one, I would not be surprised at all if it wasn't a hack but a ruse to milk the customers.

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    129. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called "abandonment".

    130. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by unencode200x · · Score: 1

      Spat out my coffee. Ha!

      In reality we're all probably breaking some US law right now. For whatever reason our elected officials think it's their job to make new laws the entire time they're in office. I wish they'd focus on modernizing and looking at reducing long-term costs and setting us up for a more advanced technological future rather than worrying about bullshit to score short-term political points or whatever.

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    131. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [citation needed]

      This unsourced assertion is still modded up why? Come on /., prove your moderation system isn't a complete joke.

    132. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      You obviously have no understanding of the law.

    133. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by kmoser · · Score: 1

      If engaged couples were presented with a full description of the standard terms and conditions of marriage, including the clauses regarding division of assets on divorce, half of them wouldn't get married. Which is why this should happen, because those marriages are unfair to the people who aren't aware of the terms; and why it won't happen, because society likes people to be married.

      I see where this is going. With all these clueless people continuing to get married despite being unaware of the conditions, eventually the marriage bubble will burst and the Church will repossess their spouses.

    134. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Marriage isn't just a contract. It involves the legal system in ways I don't think you can get contractually. For example, my wife is automatically my next of kin, and I don't think I can do that other ways.

      So, I can understand people getting married and having sex with other people with no problem, as long as they have agreed to that. Cheating is bad, but mutually changing the rules isn't cheating.

      Personally, I'm into monogamy, or at most serial bigamy.

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    135. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just try, try and resist the urge to commit logical fallacies all over comment threads.

    136. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe you are mistaken. Marriage comes with additional privileges and rights that you can't easily acquire in a private contract.

    137. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The oath is optional in most places, it's the paper that counts. As for the contract changing, that's a fairly standard clause these days. "We can change these terms and conditions any time we like, and unless you tell us you disagree they will apply to you." You can of course get divorced if you disagree with the current wording.

      I think you might be right about engaged couples not being fully aware of the terms, or wanting to back out if informed, but that's a separate issue and applies to all sorts of contracts.

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    138. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by bonehead · · Score: 1

      Of course I don't know every personal detail of everybody I deal with.

      But once I become aware of information, good or bad, that information will factor in to opinions I form and decisions I make.

    139. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by laie_techie · · Score: 1

      And yet that definition is inherently unfair to those couples who WANT to be married AND have an open relationship. Most of the "successful" open relationships I know of (success being defined as everyone is aware, it doesn't cause drama / jealousy, etc) is within the boundaries of a legal marriage. The marriage actually adds quite a bit of stability to their lives, keeps the partners from totally going off the rails, and gives them a foundation to return to. This isn't cheating; they don't hide anything from each other. They have various reasons for it...but for it to be a felony is ridiculous. As for breaking a contract, if the two married people choose to make their own vows and PURPOSELY leave out "forsaking all others" etc, should they still face the legal ramifications of a court system that legislates what morality behind closed doors is supposed to be like?

      As marriage is a contract, the partners should be free to apply any clauses which are Constitutional and don't violate any local, state, or federal laws. This viewpoint does not preclude individuals or organizations from calling such unions "sinful" or "bad for society". My sect will excommunicate members who engage in extramarital (or premarital) sex. My sect has no other legal recurse (nor should it).

      On a side note, anyone who calls themselves a Libertarian and yet is still pushing for governmental intrusion into bedroom activities is a hypocrite on the highest level.

      On a side note, I have never called myself a Libertarian. I am wary of applying any of the existing political parties to myself because they all have tenets with which I disagree. I consider myself a Conservative on many issues, including financial responsibility and personal accountability.

    140. Re: You want to cheat on your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least here in Virgina adultery is still in fact a crime, though rarely prosecuted unfortunately. As it should be, because I does in fact harm society at large and the party who is cheated on is essentially being defrauded with regard to their marriage contract..

      Idiots like you remind me why I will never live in VA again.

      Fuck you and your right-wing desire to control others, you cock-gobbling piece of shit.

    141. Re:You want to cheat on your wife? by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      Oh, sorry about that...that's why I said "on a side note" about the Libertarian thing, I should have made it more clear I wasn't referring to you! Indeed, I'm in the same boat, all the "parties" have some messed up ideas. I've taken many a "what party are you" tests, they all say I'm in the middle between all of them. Honestly, I find the quote from Eisenhower, and the ideas from the Progressive Republican Platform of 1956, to be a really close match for me: "In all those things which deal with people, be liberal, be human. In all those things which deal with people's money, or their economy, or their form of government, be conservative." It's sad to me that we, as a country, are so polarized that most can't even comprehend there could be Progressives in the GOP, or Conservatives in the Dems, or socialism that is about "We the People" as opposed to Marxism. What used to be adjectives (or pronouns?) have become nouns.

      Anyway, please accept my apology for inferring you labeled yourself as a Libertarian!

  3. Easiest ransom ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the letter the blackmailer says that unless $2000 worth of bitcoin is not paid within 10 days,

    I say give them what they want.

  4. Don't Pay by Infiniti2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They will continue to blackmail you. Why wouldn't they when so successful the first time? It's not like they're trustworthy or anything. If you're stupid enough to get involved with Ashley Madison in the first place, then just fess up to your wife and family and deal with the consequences. But, in the end, most of us will have no sympathy for either the scumbags who use Ashley Madison or those who blackmail them.

    1. Re:Don't Pay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's a bit harsh - it was more cybersex with bots than an actual cheating enabler.

    2. Re:Don't Pay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They will continue to blackmail you. Why wouldn't they when so successful the first time? It's not like they're trustworthy or anything. If you're stupid enough to get involved with Ashley Madison in the first place, then just fess up to your wife and family and deal with the consequences. But, in the end, most of us will have no sympathy for either the scumbags who use Ashley Madison or those who blackmail them.

      If you're stupid enough to get involved with Ashley Madison in the first place, you're stupid enough to think paying this blackmail money is a good idea. That's what the criminals are banking on.

    3. Re:Don't Pay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Sure, I *paid* for a cheating enabler, Baby. But I never got laid!"

      The distinction is meaningless. You don't have to get your end wet to be a scumbag.

  5. Never pay blackmail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you pay blackmail, you only show that blackmailing you is an effective way of making money, and thus encourage more blackmail.

  6. the real crime by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 1

    The real crime: using ragged right instead of Knuth and Plass' algorithm!

  7. The correct response: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "My marriage is over and everyone already knows I'm an unethical bastard. Go nuts!"

    1. Re:The correct response: by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Actually even if they pay it's not so simple. They want payment in bitcoin. Most people can't easily do that. It's not like you can go to the bank and get some. Those ransom malwares that want bitcoin paid often result in baffled users trying to figure out how to pay up in time. Story on a podcast that started relating how someone needed to pay the ransomware and ended up with several roadblocks, including having to drive several hours to a bitcoin "ATM" to meet a deadline and then still ended up having the wrong amount paid because the conversion rate had fallen. The "ATM" was unmanned but had a phone number to call for service; the person on the other end knew what was up quickly because most people who used that machine did so for ransomware.

  8. Sounds like he's bluffing to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's interesting that in the letter, the blackmailer provides no information about the recipient apart from his name and address. He lists all of the information about his prior victim, but my guess is that it's all part of his ruse. I suspect that the websites are fake and the phone number is a line straight to the blackmailer, who will corroborate the story whenever any of the many recipients of his letters call.

    This requires more money to set up than an email, but the blackmailer knows that ``The wicked flee when no man pursueth."

    1. Re:Sounds like he's bluffing to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This requires more money to set up than an email, but the blackmailer knows that ``The wicked flee when no man pursueth."

      Proverbs 28:1. Which is my reason for not jogging. :-)

  9. Win for Grammar Nazis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "unless $2000 in bitcoin is not paid"

    I'm sure I'd be willing to not pay $2000 in bitcoin to have my dirty laundry kept out of sight.

  10. Everything old is new again by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    n a threatening twist, the letter goes on to give personal details of another victim who refused to pay the blackmailers, and how his personal life and work were targeted as a result.

    Unless what purportedly happened to the "other victim" is verifiable, this is no different than what one used to read in an old fashioned chain letter. Those would invariably tell you about the riches and good fortune that had happened to (named) people who forwarded the letter to x numbers of their friends; then spell out all the troubles and misfortunes experienced by other (named) individuals who'd failed to pass the letter along within the requisite period of time. It was all imaginary nonsense.

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  11. Re:Misogyny Gets What it Deserves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    So, you consider it "rape" when the man goes on a website whose express purpose is to get him laid... a woman also goes on the website whose purpose, again, is to get her laid... and the woman opens up enough details about herself to the man in order for them to meet in order to have sex?

    Man: Let's do it.
    Woman: OK.
    (both get naked and start fooling around)
    Woman: RAPE!!!!

    Is this what you consider "Rape Culture"? That's what I'm getting from it.

  12. Doesn't matter by Dwedit · · Score: 1

    While being an active user of Ashley Madison may indicate an intent to cheat, a vanishingly small amount of men are successfully cheating with women who use the site.

    The site only sells the fantasy of cheating with their bots.

    1. Re:Doesn't matter by werfele · · Score: 1

      While being an active user of Ashley Madison may indicate an intent to cheat, a vanishingly small amount of men are successfully cheating with women who use the site.

      The site only sells the fantasy of cheating with their bots.

      Yes, if it's safe to assume that a man who already has a mistress wouldn't pay for the site, registering for Ashley Madison is pretty good evidence that a mad did not actually cheat on his wife. There were 39 million men registered, and only perhaps about 12,000 women using the site.

    2. Re:Doesn't matter by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      ...registering for Ashley Madison is pretty good evidence that a mad did not actually cheat on his wife.

      No, but it's pretty good evidence that he wants to.

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    3. Re:Doesn't matter by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 0

      That he is a man is sufficient evidence he wants to cheat.

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    4. Re:Doesn't matter by swb · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I would wager that the kind of person who couldn't cheat without a web site couldn't cheat with Ashley Madison even if it wasn't a complete fraud, either.

      They're probably not attractive or charismatic enough to attract a partner to begin with.

    5. Re:Doesn't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My name is George; don't call me vanishingly (Shirley)

  13. Amature Night by JBMcB · · Score: 4, Informative

    You don't send blackmail letters IN THE MAIL.

    This is now a federal crime, and the post office inspectors office, and probably the FBI, gets involved. Since this is in the news, they will probably be very interested in this case, as well.

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    1. Re:Amature Night by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't send blackmail letters AT ALL. You announce in private you intend to do the "right thing", or have your lawyer contact them. It's not illegal to accept hush money. You have to be a moron to get convicted of extortion when there are so many lawyers willing to legitimize it for a 15-30% cut of the action.

    2. Re: Amature Night by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But wouldn't sending it digitally be wire fraud?

    3. Re:Amature Night by DrXym · · Score: 1

      A thing doesn't suddenly stop being extortion just because you get a lawyer involved. In fact, the lawyer would be the first to say it's extortion and would want nothing to do with it - assuming they like practicing law and freedom.

    4. Re: Amature Night by phorm · · Score: 1

      That only appears to be true if you're not a Corp. Otherwise, they had blackmail you in corpspeak:
      "It appears you have been downloading file X. You don't need to face legal penalties of $Y or involve the courts, just send us $Z instead"

      So maybe the blackmailer just needs to start an LLC "marital investigations Inc" and state:
          We found these details on this website. We'd be happy to offer our services to remove them for $X. If you refuse, we take you to public court for expenses due to Y (and yes, Y is b.s.)

    5. Re:Amature Night by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      You don't send blackmail letters AT ALL. You announce in private you intend to do the "right thing", or have your lawyer contact them. It's not illegal to accept hush money. You have to be a moron to get convicted of extortion when there are so many lawyers willing to legitimize it for a 15-30% cut of the action.

      However it would be illegal if he were the one who did the hacking, or a partner of him.

      Courts stop illegally-obtained info from being released by the person who stole it all the time. But if, once stolen, someone else stumbled across it, or was given it, as to a journalist, preemptive bans are slapped down on appeal.

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    6. Re:Amature Night by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Were you born naive or did something happen to you to make you this way?

      A "demand letter" is nothing more than legal extortion and the majority of lawsuits are settled out of court. Quibbling over semantics is irrelevant.

      The majority of what lawyers(civil &/or criminal) do is extortion.

      e.g. Public Defenders don't engage in the shenanigans because they need the DA's office to reciprocate in minimizing the headaches involved in churning out plea bargain deals en masse. A private defense attorney will always get more "justice"/$$$ because the DA knows that he makes that much more money by racking up beaucoup billable hours by drowning their office in frivolous paperwork. The private defense lawyer therefore wins better terms for his client through fear and intimidation. It's unspoken, but it's how the system works.

      The exact same relationship is involved in civil litigation except it's personal injury attorneys vs. the legal team of the defendant with a target on it's back(heavily capitalized with PR exposure to negative press). There are ways of menacing without breaking the law, and it's blatantly obvious when it's happening to anyone paying attention. The lawyers shaking down the $$$ corp. aren't stupid enough to give the victim legal cause to make hay from it as a crime.

      How about the Native Hawaiin non-profits shaking down the astronomers on Mauna Kea, or the Okinawans complaining about the military base in Japan, or the useful-idiot hippie protestors everytime someone tries to build a nuclear power plant/wind farm?

      Shakedowns happen every day and they are all 100% legal. "Rape culture/Brogrammer-to-vagina" ratio/"sexual harassment": it's all about getting paid off to shut up and go away. The NAACP/and "you know who" thrive off of dead black drug dealers because every-time a racist cop shoots a crip/blood: they have a riot waiting on speed dial if the correct non-profits/scholarships/foundations don't get their jizyah paid. If they refuse? A burnt Koran will be found in their garbage and the drug cartels/SWAT team will find probable cause to pay a visit.

      Money doesn't make the world go round. Extortion does. If you aren't aware of this then you don't have enough visible wealth to make you a target. Wake up.

    7. Re:Amature Night by DrXym · · Score: 1

      Nice rant. Doesn't alter the fact that threatening a complete stranger with exposure over their personal life unless they are paid off is extortion regardless of what legalese it is couched in. Nobody, not the victim, not their own lawyer, or the judge, or the feds would be fooled for a second.

    8. Re:Amature Night by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Only if they want to investigate though. It's still a relatively small crime if it's just one blackmailer for $2000 against one person. It only becomes a big enough deal to pay attention if it's something big like the Ashley Madison case.

    9. Re:Amature Night by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Scumbag A" hosts website prominently shaming Cheating Scumbag by exploiting "common carrier" status.
      "Scumbag B" offering services in "online reputation management" contacts victim and charges a small monthly fee to suppress visibility of negative information using Blackhat SEO/legal pressure/complaints/phone calls/etc.

      In Yelp's case: Scumbag A and Scumbag B aren't even employed by a different company.
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/yelp-extortion/

      Yes, dumb criminals go to jail. If you want to claim that this scam doesn't work and that no lawyer will cooperate:
      https://www.facebook.com/YelpIsAFraud/app/208195102528120/

      As for Yelp: Their business model has been upheld under scrutiny of the courts. According to the same judges you are claiming wouldn't allow this sort of behavior: I'm right and you're wrong. In the land of 'Merica, that's the final word that matters and it rhymes with money. "Justice for All" isn't just an Al Pacino film: it's also a joke. So sad!

      I'm sorry to break it to you but the world isn't a nice place and the courts only help the people who help the courts.

      Are we done here?
      https://www.trustify.info/check
      http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ashley+madison+reputation+management

    10. Re:Amature Night by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

      Shakedowns happen every day, but you're wrong about that many demand letters being extortion--most demand letters are trying to resolve legitimate disputes by pointing out "if you keep doing illegal thing X, it will cost us, but mostly you, a LOT of money, and I think you'll lose."

  14. Why people may not want to confess by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

    However, in this case, the people I support the least are the people who took their marriage vows so lightly they're using a website to cheat. It's absolutely disgusting. You get what you deserve. What to avoid the collateral damage; don't cheat. But, since you're past that point; you might as well fess up to it; and make sure you tell your family you're only coming clean about it due to a threat of blackmail. It'll make them see your character for what it really is.

    I know a couple of acquaintances (not well but I do know them) who cheated on their wives with co-workers. This has nothing to do with Ashley Madison. In neither case did the wife have any idea. Both guys felt guilt-ridden about cheating, so they decided to come clean. In both cases the marriages were over on the spot. In one case the guy literally got asked by his wife to leave their house immediately and I know this because the guy he stayed with for a while is a friend of mine, not just an acquaintance. Some people really do not respond in a forgiving way to infidelity. In such cases it might be best to either deny it and claim to be an innocent victim or to try for what I'll call "pleading to a lesser charge" by admitting joining the site but denying actually ever meeting any one by it. There's a lot of evidence that a lot of female members were made up and while some spouses may not forgive you for even joining, I guess there's some chance that "It was a huge mistake and I never actually did anything" might work with a few of them.

    1. Re: Why people may not want to confess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, lie your way out of it?
      I think there is a moral compass that needs some adjustment.

    2. Re: Why people may not want to confess by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Actually, many partners are looking for an excuse to not have to deal with it, and would prefer to be lied to, even though they are quite aware of what happened, and are privately resolving to do their part in making things better.

      And your moral compass is likely to take a beating when you truthfully answer questions like "Does this dress make me look fat?"

      Relationships are like many other parts of life - complicated.

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    3. Re: Why people may not want to confess by tibit · · Score: 1

      Wow, a voice of reason. Well done!

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  15. Re:Misogyny Gets What it Deserves by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's a part of rape culture. What rape culture really means I've come to find doesn't really have anything to do with the act of rape. It's about FEEL GUILTY! As far as feminism is concerned, the fact that rape cultures require policies that can expel anybody assigned the male gender at birth for any baseless accusation of intention (not even an accusation of the act) is a pleasant side effect.

    Also, GP probably considers any sexual act between a cisgendered woman and somebody assigned the male gender at birth to be rape. Why did I need to pull out the much-hated term cisgendered there? Lest we forget, trans women are guilty of metaphysical rape for violating the female form and invading women. I hate to break it to you, anti-SJWs, but this part of your transphobic rhetoric is straight out of 2nd wave feminism.

    Logging in to post this even though it'll go to -1 by the top of the hour because what I'm saying is true. Anybody who doubts me should contact their state university and ask to be able to sit through a rape culture presentation. Also look up Camp Trans. They can educate you about feminism's utter hatred for trans women.

    Rape culture outside of college campuses is a big reason I'm currently at cold war with feminism. Feminism wants to control my body in retaliation for their perception I want to control cis women's bodies, simply because I was involuntarily placed in a role in a women's health initiative that my cisfemale co-workers refused to participate in.

    (Well, I suppose it was voluntary. I could have lost my job, my house, and starved to death instead. However, that's looking like the better choice in hindsight if the place I'm going next week to get my prescriptions renewed has also implemented rape culture.)

    Disclaimer: this may hold true only in Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, and southern Ontario--basically anywhere within the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival reality distortion field, but I understand that rape cultures have been implemented at several other prominent universities across the USA.

  16. Blackmail is legal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Freedom of speech, man.

  17. WARNING : this card TRIGGERS APK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    oh geeze, here we go with the SJW codewords.
    Why don't you drag in how GAMERGATE uses SYSTEMD to contaminate your HOSTS file while your at it so we can have a proper flamefest.

    1. Re:WARNING : this card TRIGGERS APK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure if I should keep quiet and see how long it takes APK to spam his crap, but, in a nutshell:

      Gamergate: a whole bunch of wtf, especially because you'd have to be an idiot to not have known gaming journalism was corrupt.

      Systemd: Poetteringware I want nowhere near my computer. I'm still confused by how not using it means I hate handicapped people, but whatever.

      Hosts file: Where slashdot.org was after the slashcott. Clearly it's not there any more. Also whatever reason APK has it out for Coren22.

      Which SJW codewords did I use? Rape culture was explained to me very clearly a decade and a half ago when I was in college during a presentation I was forced to attend because of my assigned gender at birth. The trans/cis thing developed over on the west coast and was defined by Julia Serano in her work Whipping Girl as better alternatives to "transsexual" and "womyn-born-womyn." (Those last two terms are now deprecated.) I've personally met Camp Trans members. I've watched a lesbian scream--in public--at somebody I care about because she wasn't a "real woman." I've been accused of sexism to my face because an IRL SJW who was completely computer illiterate determined that if a "woman" had been promoted to my position instead, a piece of proprietary software we use wouldn't have any bugs, I've been on the receiving end of a white knight who actually believes the crap posted as news to this site that because of my assigned gender at birth and because I'm a programmer I must be a misogynerd, I've faced gatekeeper psychologists, I've this, I've that, etc, and I have more than enough reasons for my hatred of Michigan feminism.

      (I've never seen a reason I would want to go to the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival, so I've never actually been a part of Camp Trans. I only invoke it to illustrate that TERFs are alive and well here in flyover country.)

      SJW/anti-SJW seems to be the only way I can describe the social justice war, which I may get dragged into as well if my cold war with feminism turns into total online nuclear annihilation. I'm not calling it a cold war lightly. I will go back to merely hating Michigan feminism and trying to be careful about not painting other branches of feminism with that brush if I'm able to renew my prescriptions before the end of March and I'm able to get a local doctor before summer.

      Unfortunately, the SJW/anti-SJW war may also be part of the reason I am not able to schedule an appointment for a local doctor. The SJWs believe I'm an all-men rapist invader misogynerd who doesn't think women should be programmers. (See also Brianna Wu dancing around status as trans.) The anti-SJWs believe I'm mentally ill, a homosexual, gender confused, a communist, and that I want to outlaw Christmas and have a "gay agenda" to outlaw heterosexual marriage.

      -vel

  18. Wife??? by Evtim · · Score: 2

    So, you say that women do not cheat? I wonder all those cheating man [according to feminist 90 % at least] - with who are they cheating? Goats? Or are there 1000 super women on earth that can have 100 000 000 lovers each? Remember, when the scandal came out it was shown that 90 or more percent of the users of the site are men and everyone was like "see how terrible men are, bloody cheaters" , was I the only one that asked the question above?

    I am so fed up with this crap!!! And your user name suggest you are a man! WTF? Get a grip of reality MAN!

    1. Re:Wife??? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Women I think probably cheat at least as much as men. They just don't need websites to do it, because it's much easier for them to find partners to cheat with.

      There have been genetic studies which have found that something like 15% of the population in western countries (I think Britain was where one study was done) does not have the father they thought they did, meaning that their mother cheated, while ovulating. Other studies have found that women are much more likely to stray when they are ovulating.

    2. Re:Wife??? by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      Women I think probably cheat at least as much as men. They just don't need websites to do it, because it's much easier for them to find partners to cheat with.

      There have been genetic studies which have found that something like 15% of the population in western countries (I think Britain was where one study was done) does not have the father they thought they did, meaning that their mother cheated, while ovulating. Other studies have found that women are much more likely to stray when they are ovulating.

      A study I read in the past was a US-based study which found that a third (33%) of paternity suits reveals that the husband is not the father. Obviously, that sets the lower bound on the number of (female[1]) cheaters. In reality, I'm guessing that maybe half the population has cheated on an SO at some point in their life.

      [1] I also feel it must be obvious that the number of female cheaters and male cheaters have to be similar.

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      I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
    3. Re:Wife??? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I actually disagree about the number of female cheaters; personally I think it might be higher for women.

      There was another study somewhere about college kids and their sexual habits, and it found that, in a nutshell, 20% of the male students were getting 80% of the sex. Basically, a minority of the men are really good at seducing women, and have a bunch of female partners (frequently one-night-stands), while many of the rest of the men struggle to get a date.

      Women who cheat are likely hooking up with men like those 20%. And many of those guys might not even be married; why would they, when they can easily bed women?

  19. Re:Misogyny Gets What it Deserves by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    This is absolutely NOT about the systematic patriarchal oppression of women. It's about the systematic financial exploitation of men via bots.

    Also, who says that every guy on the site was married? Or even real?

    As a society we've already decided that consensual sex between two or more adults is their business. Not yours. Not mine. Not the governments.

    Not only does the website promote the exploitation (rape) of sex workers, by promoting the idea of illicit and decietful "affairs" it also denies couples the agency of exploriing open, non-binary, non-monogamous, and especially homosexual, pansexual and transsexual expieriences.

    This is utter nonsense. A web site that promotes consensual sex is not promoting the exploitation of sex workers. To the contrary, pimps are probably the ones who would benefit the most if such sites were shut down. And certainly this doesn't prevent people from "exploriing open, non-binary, non-monogamous, and especially homosexual, pansexual and transsexual experiences." To the contrary, it promotes non-monogamous experiences. And there is an overwhelming abundance of apps and other web sites that allow people to get their kicks in all the other ways listed. So it doesn't actively promote these ... so what? That's like saying that a hardware store is bad because it doesn't promote vegan food. Or that a men's clothing store is oppressive because it doesn't sell women's clothes.

    Besides, people were already exploring all these alternatives long before the internet. Closing down the whole internet won't stop any of it.

    But the worst part? To say "The Government needs to step in and protect women from monstrous internet sites like this" is to say that women aren't able to manage their own affairs (pun intended) and need big brother to step in. Now THAT reinforces patriarchal stereotypes ... and it's more than a bit insulting.

    --
    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  20. Re:Misogyny Gets What it Deserves by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    What rape culture really means I've come to find doesn't really have anything to do with the act of rape.

    That's the only sentence even close to being right.

    Rape culture is the set of ideas about how people should be pressured into sex, or unwanted contact like kissing and sexual touching. The idea that you can go to a bar, find someone, and get them drunk so they are more likely to have sex with you or at least let you cop a feel and that's just "game" or what happens in bars is rape culture. The idea that if someone tells you "no", you can just ask them another 50 times until they say yes because they are probably just playing hard to get is rape culture.

    I imagine to some people that doesn't sound very controversial. Most people I'm friends with would never do any of that stuff, but it's important to remember a) where we were 40 years ago and b) that some people still think it's okay.

    Remember that marital rape was acceptable at one point. Remember that people often blame the victims of rape and sexual assault for getting drunk, or going to a bar, or wearing a particular outfit. While perhaps inadvisable, none of that is a signal to others that this person is sexually available to them.

    All this crap about feeling guilty and oppressing men is just that, crap. If you feel guilty because someone pointed out to you that you should really get informed, enthusiastic consent before getting physical, you have to ask yourself why that makes you uncomfortable.

    I'm a guy. When I touch a woman I want her to be happy about it, to enjoy it, to feel my expression of love or lust or whatever. Does this make me some kind of "pussy" or beta male? Is making her unhappy really the "masculine", manly thing to do? Or even the moral thing to do?

    --
    const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
    SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
  21. Solution by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

    Use a white envelope.

    Still.... I wouldn't want to go toe-to-toe with the postmaster general.... he checks his blood sugar and checks it often...

    --
    My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
    1. Re:Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please do put your dna on an envelope. Fingerprints too. Oh: you planned on using a moist sponge and nitrile gloves? My bad. Make sure you wear some Tyvek Coveralls like in that movie with "Whitey Bulger" and the guy from Boune Identity. That'll keep a hair or eyelash from falling in to the envelope. You know where all the cameras/license plate scanners are so you can avoid having your cell phone correlated to the location where the white envelope was dropped off "anonymously" right?

      Don't fuck around with the FBI. They use rape as a weapon, and you've got a pretty mouth.

  22. Extortion is a federal crime too by JesseEnjaian · · Score: 1

    Extortion is a federal crime. Call your local FBI office. They actually do investigate and prosecute this type of thing. They're only human; they don't know until you tell them. https://www.law.cornell.edu/us...

    1. Re:Extortion is a federal crime too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Feds should know: the mere possibility of an "audit" is enough to get almost anyone to cave. First thing the feds do when they find a target is freeze their assets so they can't pay for a lawyer to defend them in Federal Court. (Just ask Aaron Swartz.)

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqUVntbsSI8

  23. Evolution takes time. by truck_soccer · · Score: 1

    We are still rather feral when it comes to sex. The basic biological response to sexual attractiveness occurs in all humans equipped with working sex organs. There are people who are able to suppress the mental urge to seek a mate, but the physical response is still there. Only about 3 percent of mammals are monogamous. Most great apes are promiscuous. As humans, we have to wrestle with our vestigial urge to fuck and be fucked, with the societal contradiction that sex is bad and should never be talked about openly while being force fed overtly sexualized media and marketing material.

  24. Re:Misogyny Gets What it Deserves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jesus fucking Christ. This is a technology discussion website. Looking at your history, you post this same shit to "Former Mozilla CEO" discussion, to "lack of quality journalism" discussion, to "10 year old Muslim Boy" discussion, I'm sure I could go on but you get the point. You suck and what you have to say is irrelevant to the discussions at hand.

  25. Re:Misogyny Gets What it Deserves by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    The Michigan Womyn's Music Festival had its final event last year. It's dead. One more group of TERFs turfed.

    Now if any pharmacy tries to stigmatize you for your meds, there's a simple solution - report them to the head office. You can be sure it will stop damned fast. And in the meantime, if part of rape culture is about feeling guilty, that part can also be dealt with - refuse to feel guilty. Don't accept the stigma. Ultimately, the only person who can make you feel guilty is yourself, if you allow yourself to buy into their mindset that you *should* feel guilty.

    Feminism is going to slowly die out. 60% of all university graduates are women. That is 50% more women than men. As they work their way up in the professions and the old guard dies off, men are going to become the minority at every level. Men, on the other hand, are not entering the professions in anywhere near the same numbers, which means that the imbalance in incomes will tilt towards women as the non-professional jobs see more competition for fewer posts thanks to increased automation.

    It's not going to happen tomorrow, or this decade, but it IS going to happen, and it's too late to stop it. :-)

    --
    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  26. If I were the blackmailer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I 100% now follow through with my threat and tell everyone you know about it. It's just good business.

    By making this threat public, the blackmailee basically dared the blackmailers to make good on their threat and gave them a great marketing opportunity. The blackmailers don't give 2 emu shits about him cheating, they want money. Normally, there's no profit in actually following through with the threat, its just time that could be better used by sending out threats which generate money. However, since Cheater McDumbfuck went public, the blackmailers now have a chance to let future blackmailees that they are serious and will follow through with their threats, thus improving their ROI for sending out threats in the future.

    This is why you don't negotiate or even recognize terrorists.

  27. Re:Misogyny Gets What it Deserves by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    Why did I need to pull out the much-hated term cisgendered there? Lest we forget, trans women are guilty of metaphysical rape for violating the female form and invading women.

    what I'm saying is true.

    The reason you get modded down and sound like a fool is you're just spewing utterly random shit. The "cold war" you have with feminism is entirely of your own invention.

    --
    SJW n. One who posts facts.
  28. Misandry, Trans/homophobia Get What they Deserve by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 1

    (tl;dr instructions: please go to the "--->" mark and read until the other "--->" mark. Mods: go ahead and mod everybody in this thread off-topic (especially me), but I needed to post GP and this comment as well because I'm about 3 minutes from midnight in my little cold war. There will be mutually assured destruction and probably some other -gategate when/if feminism and I reach midnight.)

    Rape culture is the set of ideas about how people should be pressured into sex, or unwanted contact like kissing and sexual touching.

    That's where it starts. That's what it should be. Over here in flyover country that turns into an accusation that all men are not only heterosexual, not only tempted to rape, but actually have raped a woman and have access to drugs like Ecstasy.

    All this crap about feeling guilty and oppressing men is just that, crap.

    Then why does it end up having that effect? I'm not a man (only am in the view of Michigan feminists and other bigots), but I am apparently now being affected in a tangible way. I wish I could live in the world you apparently live in. It sounds much better than my reality at the moment.

    Obvious example is obvious. In 2012 every major news organization trumpeted forth news that men's genitals should be mutilated at birth to prevent women from getting a form of HPV that can lead to cervical cancer. Do I even need to point out everything wrong with that even from the standpoint of a prevention measure? The other part of the one-two punch was that the USA was in the middle wringing its hands about whether giving teenage girls the HPV vaccine was moral or not.

    If you feel guilty because someone pointed out to you that you should really get informed, enthusiastic consent before getting physical, you have to ask yourself why that makes you uncomfortable.

    I'm not sure why that should make me feel uncomfortable. When a TERF proceeds to misgender me, tell me I'm attracted to people I'm not, tell me I have intentions I don't, and tell me that I'm lucky I haven't been caught in the act yet, that's where I start feeling uncomfortable.

    When I learn that, should somebody accuse me of raping a specific woman, that there is no possible amount of evidence I could ever present that I didn't even have sex with her, that's when I begin to feel resentment. That's when I begin to realize that I am in a hostile environment.

    In fact, the cold war feminism has declared on me really started way back when I was told just that at Grand Valley State University during a presentation that all assigned males were require to attend. I could dismiss everything other time before that I've been on the receiving end of sexism as just attending a crap school district.

    It's only recently that the stockpiling of nuclear bombs has begun; before it was just a skirmish here or there. There were even a few months when I scrambled my old UID where I was starting to think I had been wrong about feminism all along.

    I'm still receptive to the idea that you're not just posting from an alternate dimension from mine. However, somehow if I'm wrong about feminism, feminism needs to realize it's wrong about me as well, and we need to begin the careful healing process of sealing up the nuclear weapons for good.

    I don't know how that can happen. I need access to a local doctor first. I don't know what feminism needs from me other than to magically grow a womb. I'd do it too as soon as they tell me the magic words. I'm somebody who has called out sexual harassment. I'm somebody who mentors women programmers. What else could I possibly do?

    If the intention was to show me what being on the receiving end of sexism is like, this is my message to feminism: I fucking get it already.

    --->

    I've fucking got it since third grade when I was actively discriminated against unapologetically and with full knowledge on the part of the person

  29. Re:Misogyny Gets What it Deserves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm surprised and glad to hear the news about MWMF.

    Now if any pharmacy tries to stigmatize you for your meds, there's a simple solution - report them to the head office.

    We'll see what happens when I get to that stage. My main problem is that my prescription is too old and from a doctor who retired long ago, and I don't have one for another med.

    refuse to feel guilty

    This has essentially been my New Year's resolution, so thank you for your encouragement. I'm no longer willing to feel guilty about the problem of the lack of women programmers or about any individual women I was unable to help learn programming, because never once have I doubted that women can program computers (except perhaps on my old UID out of sheer frustration). I'm not going to feel guilty about rape and date rape, because I am not a rapist. If I ever go back to school, there will be a lawsuit if they force me to sit through another rape culture presentation on the basis of my gender at birth.

    (That's what I should have done in the first place, but I didn't realize they were serious and I was too young and stupid to connect the dots.)

    which means that the imbalance in incomes will tilt towards women

    I hope you've remembered your fireproof suit! My alter ego on the other site would say, "As it should be" and probably spin a yarn about Amazons.

    and it's too late to stop it

    Good. Whatever feminism is or isn't, whether I'm saying "good" spitefully or hopefully: good.

    -vel

  30. Re:Misogyny Gets What it Deserves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    60% of all university graduates are women. That is 50% more women than men.

    What percentage are required to take math?

  31. Re:Misogyny Gets What it Deserves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The "cold war" you have with feminism is entirely of your own invention.

    It could be. We'll see. I'm hoping I won't need to start a lawsuit to find out. If I've imagined the whole thing up from dealing with one too many sexists, then I must just have incredibly bad luck. Well, I do have bad luck, but if I'm imagining it, it's a ton of coincidences especially in the past 2 years or so.

    As I suggested in another comment, mods can feel free to mod bomb GP and probably this entire thread. I'm not certain why GP is at +2 right now.

    -vel

  32. USPIS? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    US Postal Inspectors Service.

    It really is called USPIS? I thought Brooklyn Nine Nine made that up.

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    systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
    1. Re:USPIS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorta - United States Postal Inspection Service - only a few letters off. I happen to work for them. You'd be amazed how quickly and subtly Inspectors can drop a hammer on you.

  33. Re:Misogyny Gets What it Deserves by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 1

    Disregard sibling comment, I suck cocks.

    See the comments section here.

    TERFs are alive and well. Here are some choice comments. (Not accommodating Slashdot's missing unicode support.)

    Wendy Lev Â

    A women's festival's end where females found freedom, safety, community often for the first time in their lives, is celebrated. This is misogynistic to the core. And lesbophobic. No wonder many lesbians stop supporting orgs that are supposed to stand up for them. And stop supporting trans women.

    --

    Wendy Lev Â

    Elle Wong, Im so done with hateful bigots like you, having no clue what women deal with from birth on, and having no respect. That harass lesbians because we arent into penis. Get a grip, the world doesnt revolve around you.

    --

    Responding to Elle Wong  Berea College

    THANK YOU TRANS JESUS now this bastion of privilege and exclusion can finally die

    Charlotte Schnook  University of Wisconsin Milwaukee

    Sure, because women are so privileged... Sheesh....

    --

    Responding to Clara Jackson  Works at Center for Spiritual Living Greater Dayton

    I thought the same thing... it is a very old story. It is a private business and she isn't breaking any laws, so ultimately it is her decision as the business owner as to what she does... it is just such a shame that people are so unwilling to engage in constructive dialogue...everyone seems so intent on finding ways to prove their point and few seem willing to consider another viewpoint. So long as that is the primary method of "communication" the struggle will continue... not only here but in partisan politics and anywhere there is significantly differing viewpoints... so sad... if only we could respect ourselves and others enough to feel engage in communication with the objective of understanding instead of being right.

    Katie Berger Tremaine  Author/Novelist at K. L. Tremaine

    Dialogue was attempted for 22 years, you know that, right? It's only in the last couple of years that boycott was called for, because of the ongoing pattern of open contempt from MWMF.

    (Note: it would seem I'm doing the exact same thing Jackson is talking about here, but the reason is clear and Tremaine hits the nail on the head. It sounds like the only reason MWMF is closing their doors is because they can't get any artists any more due to their own boneheadedness.)

    --

    Charlotte Schnook (again) Â University of Wisconsin Milwaukee

    Exactly! Isn't so funny how those to claim to be women, don't understand why women would need to have a space for their shared healing and celebration? We whom have done our research know why they don't get it: because women aren't a class to them, they aren't humans with feelings, just sex objects to be appropriated...

    --

    etc, etc

    War never changes.

  34. Re:Misogyny Gets What it Deserves by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    Check out Planned Parenthood - some of them also offer transgender hormone services. Those that don't yet do so can probably refer you to someone who can help. :-)

    --
    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  35. Re:Misogyny Gets What it Deserves by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    Let me dumb it down for you (since you're obviously a man and can't do math) - for every 40 men graduating, 60 women are graduating. For every 4 men, that's 6 women. For every 2 men, that's 3 women. 3 is 50% larger than 2. Now you know why more women are getting into professions than men - men can't do math. (But we already knew that - the original "computers" were women).

    --
    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  36. Re:Misogyny Gets What it Deserves by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    So what? How do any of these fringe idiots affect anything? Nobody even knows they exist. I'm more concerned with the bad treatment the Human Rights Campaign has been giving us, both publicly and privately, for years because if you're not a white gay male, you're nothing, while pretending to the politicians, funders, and general public that they somehow speak for anyone who isn't a member of the gay white male mafia.

    Quotes from the audit:

    "Staff at the Human Rights Campaign last fall described the working environment at the nation’s largest LGBT rights group as “judgmental,” “exclusionary,” “sexist,” and “homogenous

    "“Leadership culture is experienced as homogenous — gay, white, male,” the report stated. “Exclusion was broad-based and hit all identity groups within HRC. A judgmental working environment, particularly concerning women and feminine-identified individuals, was highlighted in survey responses.”

    "Among those issues were findings that “[t]rans* people don’t feel safe to come out at HRC,” noting that some staff “work for years at HRC before coming out as trans.”

    "The report also notes that “trans* people are frequently misgendered with the wrong pronouns, after repeated corrections.”

    "Younger staff in particular are exploited and not rewarded financially.” Another said, “Straight women and lesbians get sexist treatment from gay men at HRC.”

    “Seven out of 31 men who have been promoted have been on staff less than two years (some promoted two times). No women under two years have been promoted.”

    There's more. To hell with them. We don't need them, never have needed them, and they're doing more harm than good. Let them go sit on a bathroom plunger instead of screwing everyone else over.

    --
    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  37. Re:Misogyny Gets What it Deserves by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 1

    Hmm... more actors show up on the board. I will look more into the HRC.

    Chad Griffin:

    Like many organizations and companies throughout our country, HRC has embarked on a thoughtful and comprehensive diversity and inclusion effort with the goals of better representing the communities we serve â" and hiring, nurturing and retaining a workforce that not only looks like America

    Heh, looks like America, in other words a complete mess, divorced from its founding principles.

    The report notes, âoeSeven out of 31 men who have been promoted have been on staff less than two years (some promoted two times). No women under two years have been promoted.â

    The report also notes that âoe[t]rans* people are frequently misgendered with the wrong pronouns, after repeated corrections.â

    Oh god! Is this the gay agenda at work? May I get a copy from the HRC?

    Eh, I'm just drunk. Further investigation is warranted.

  38. Re:Misogyny Gets What it Deserves by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    Just scroll down to the bottom of the article ... :-)

    --
    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  39. Re:Misogyny Gets What it Deserves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are using a very unconventional interpretation of "50% more".

    If group A has "50% more" cheese than group B, the general interpretation of that idea is that Group B's slice of the pie, subtracted from Group A's slice of the pie, will leave 1/2 the total pie. IE: a difference of 50%.

    A more traditional way of saying the same thing:
    "60% of all university graduates are women. That is 20% more women than men."

    Group A = 60% of pie. Group B therefore has 40% of the pie. IE: 60-40=20% more.

    The "That is 20% more women than men" part is somewhat redundant since it is obvious to the audience that men+women = 100% of university graduates.

    Your perversion of "50% more" does nothing to clarify the statistic and only serves to emphasize your position through disingenuous use of ambiguous language to sound impressive. If you meant to say that for every 2 men who graduate that 3 women graduate you should have said as much.

    Your specific choice of "university graduate" also leads me to believe that the ratio of males who graduate from colleges are more evenly balanced.

  40. Re:Misogyny Gets What it Deserves by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
    Wow - you really don't understand numbers. 50% more means that Group B is 50% larger than group A. The proper subtraction in your example would be that if you subtracted Group A's size from Group B's size, you would be left with something 50% the size of Group A.

    Let's make it REALLY simple. You have two pennies. I have three. I have 50% more pennies than you do. You have 33-1/3% (1/3) less than I do.

    Your perversion of "50% more" does nothing to clarify the statistic and only serves to emphasize your position through disingenuous use of ambiguous language to sound impressive. If you meant to say that for every 2 men who graduate that 3 women graduate you should have said as much.

    The language is FAR from ambiguous. 50% more women graduating means that for ever 2 men who graduate, 3 women graduate. That's what 50% more means to most people.

    Your specific choice of "university graduate" also leads me to believe that the ratio of males who graduate from colleges are more evenly balanced.

    Keep believing that. Women are 25% more likely to have graduated from colleges, which means that for every 4 men who graduate, 5 women graduate. There is no sign that this trend will reverse itself. This trend started around 1995, when they were almost equal in number. Some places have more than twice as many women than men, due to two factors - decrease in the number of men enrolling, and a huge increase in the number of women enrolling.

    Maybe you need to ask yourself what this means for the future? Is what I originally said about the balance of power shifting true or not? Will this eventually lead to more women at the top than men? How will men react to their wives making more than them being the new normal? How will men react when the traditional male jobs disappear and they have no real alternative because women are out-competing them in other fields?

    The patriarchy is dying. Of course, you're free to continue to deny it, but the trend is clear. Within 20 years, there's going to be a massive shift in the dynamics of male-female relationships, based on power, prospects, and money.

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  41. Re:Misogyny Gets What it Deserves by tibit · · Score: 1

    You are using a very unconventional interpretation of "50% more".

    No, you've just lived a very sheltered life it seems. FTFY.

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  42. Re:Misogyny Gets What it Deserves by tibit · · Score: 1

    It's interesting how this will interact with the opposite happening in China... Will we literally have a modern kidnapper's war again?

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  43. Re:Misogyny Gets What it Deserves by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    Combine the huge over-supply of Chinese males, and the way western guys have the hots for asian women ... but it's not like bride kidnapping is anything new in China.

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  44. Re:Misogyny Gets What it Deserves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your statistics lump all college/university degrees together. STEM majors(traditionally defined) have a heavily tilted male to female ratio. If it wasn't for Biology, it would be even more dramatic.

    Your biased metric choice of "graduation percentages" conflates a "Womyn's Studies" diploma with a Bachelors of Science in Electrical Engineering. Enrollment in "soft" majors has skewed graduation rates, but not salaries apparently. The historical salary data which supports the conclusion that a diploma translates in to economic empowerment has become decreasingly true as degree inflation and diploma mills have watered down undergraduate education to a point bordering on meaninglessness. Now employers are forced to do a much more complex/higher-dimension analysis when evaluating candidates because a "degree" is no longer a fungible commodity reflecting selective admission criteria, wise financial investment, or rigorous education standards.

    Your twisted usage of "X% more" and the apparent pride you take in basic arithmetic has me questioning if you've ever taken a college level math course. The fact that you feel compelled to explain what you mean by "X% more" every time you use it is a damning indictment of how ineffective you are at technical communication. Your assumption that everyone else is just uneducated in mathematics further reinforces this conclusion.

    The ambiguity originates from the implied subject: "X% more [?what?]". Percentage points? Women/men/graduates? Your phrasing leaves this distinction wide open to interpretation by the audience and so then you clarify with repeat use of fractions believing your audience struggles with basic multiplication/division when in-fact: they just can't understand your autistic communication style.

    Next time you find yourself exasperated with the ignorance of the plebes: stop for a second and ask yourself "Are they really uneducated, or am I just really shitty at effectively communicating statistics?"

    The bottom line is: don't try and bullshit a statistics major with your SJW bullshit. I see the confounding variables and cherry-picking of facts in everything you say. It's as transparent to me as glass.

  45. Re:Misogyny Gets What it Deserves by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    That doesn't change the truth - that for every 2 women graduating from university, 3 women (50% more) are graduating. Also, STEM majors are more likely to end up working for and reporting to non-STEM majors, who make more money over their careers.

    In case you haven't noticed, STEM is stagnating due to offshoring, H1Bs, foreign guest workers, and more people chasing fewer jobs. Women see this and say "who needs to put up with the macho bs for less money?"

    So, are you really uneducated as to what's going on in the real world or what? Or are you just going to continue your lame, transparent attempt at trolling?

    BTW - I am not an SJW - to the contrary, I think they're as stupid as you, and you would have known this if you had bothered to check.

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  46. Re:Misogyny Gets What it Deserves by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    There is a real problem here, although calling it "Rape Culture" is overdramatic. Lots of guys seem to have an entitlement attitude about sex, and that does cause problems. It ties in with the attitude that most or all guys demand sex frequently, so both sexes suffer from those attitudes, but we're not considering that right now.

    Picture a young man taking a young woman on a date, and the young man wants sex. If the man feels like he's owed sex, he's more likely to pressure his date into sex. This can lead to rape. Surveys that ask young men if they've raped any of their dates, using terminology like "pressured her into sex" or "made her have sex" do get a small but significant number of men admitting to it. It also encourages low-level sexual harassment in other cases: if women in general owe a guy sex, then they really don't have a complaint coming if he grabs someone's boobs or ass, right? Most guys aren't like that, but it only takes one asshole in a hundred men to ruin a woman's day.

    Now, exactly what this has to do with Ashley Madison escapes me. Perhaps some husbands don't think they get enough sex from their wives, and feel entitled to look elsewhere, but that's pretty thin. It appears to me to be at least ostensibly aimed at putting men and women together (it could well be mostly a scam) who both want sex, which makes this have precisely nothing to do with rape. As far as the rather overblown Patriarchy idea goes, AM does remind me of Biblical marriage - you know, the type where a rich guy buys a hot young thing to be an additional wife, except that the money transfer isn't supposed to happen.

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  47. Boobytrapping "Bitcoins"? by billstewart · · Score: 1

    Is there any way to send somebody something that looks like a Bitcoin, but is actually boobytrapped? Known vulnerabilities in Bitcoin wallet software would be fun, but at least some kind of exploding email attachment would be a good start.

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