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Why 6 Republican Senators Think You Don't Need Faster Broadband (cio.com)

itwbennett writes: Broadband in the United States still lags behind similar service in other industrialized countries, so Congress made broadband expansion a national priority, and it offers subsidies, mostly in rural areas, to help providers expand their offerings,' writes Bill Snyder. And that's where an effort by the big ISPs and a group of senators to change the definition of broadband comes in. Of course, the ISPs want the threshold to be as low as possible so it's easier for them to qualify for government subsidies. In a letter to FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler, dated January 21, 2016, the senators called the current broadband benchmark of 25 Mbps downstream and 3 Mbps upstream 'arbitrary' and said that users don't need that kind of speed anyway. '[W]e are aware of few applications that require download speeds of 25 Mbps.' the senators wrote, missing the simple fact that many users have multiple connected devices.

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  1. Think? by Krishnoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't it closer to "Why 6 Republican Senators Are Repeating Cable ISP Lobbyists' Talking Points on Why You Don't Need Faster Broadband"?

    1. Re:Think? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 5, Informative

      Be warned that Marco Rubio also supports lowering the broadband standard, and is against net neutrality.

      Anything less than 25/5 (and no scumsucking usage cap!) is like having to crawl across a swaying rope bridge on an Interstate Highway.

    2. Re:Think? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Funny

      Some of us do just fine on 3/768k you entitled, millenial douche.

      Heh. I've never seen narrow-band elitism before.

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    3. Re:Think? by rsborg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I take it you don't like things like fiscal policies adjusted to inflation?

      Because thanks to the ad networks and crazy web frameworks, each site has "byte inflation" every year. Some is better stuff (i.e., more streaming video, higher resolution pictures, richer pages) other stuff is just bloat, but it's all the same.

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    4. Re:Think? by Wycliffe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Be warned that Marco Rubio also supports lowering the broadband standard, and is against net neutrality.

      Anything less than 25/5 (and no scumsucking usage cap!) is like having to crawl across a swaying rope bridge on an Interstate Highway.

      I've been on 25/5 and on 3/1 and really can't tell much difference because most stuff is oversold to be barely tolerable. I would have no problem with them coming to some reasonable middle ground if they could figure out how to solve the oversold problem**. I currently work from home and I'm on a middle tier package which works fine during the work day but evenings it is barely usable and I've actually had to call in sick on days when the local school district has a snow day because all the neighbor kids are home and using the internet.

      ** The oversold problem is fixable if they want it to be. Just like fractional reserve banking or landline phones, you require a certain reserve and you build out for peak demand. Yes, this means that you're running at 50% capacity most of the time but then your service is actually usable during peak times. You can also use education, software, and incentives to try to get certain heavy non time critical downloads to happen during times where bandwidth is virtually free.

    5. Re:Think? by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >I've been on 25/5 and on 3/1 and really can't tell much difference because most stuff is oversold to be barely tolerable

      Just because you live in Comcast or Centurylink's area doesn't mean that other places with better internet don't exist. I currently have 100/10, and would I notice a difference between that and 25/5, no, but the four other people in my house watching videos and playing games don't notice each other slowing down the net either.

      That said, until a way to sue ISPs for their complete and total lack of providing their advertized service exists, many places will continue to have crap service.

    6. Re:Think? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've been on 25/5 and on 3/1 and really can't tell much difference ...

      You obviously don't have a teenage daughter. The formal definition of broadband is this: A man's wife and daughter can watch two different Netflix movies simultaneously, and he can still get work done.

    7. Re:Think? by Dahamma · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You may want people to have faster speeds, but changing what terms mean isn't an honest way to go about it.

      Bullshit. "Energy efficient" has definitely changed. As has "VLSI" semiconductors, "high speed" rail, etc. Technology advances, and standards will follow.

      Anything over dial-up or ISDN speeds is technically broadband.

      No, if you want to be technical, bandwidth (NOT "speed", of course, that's silly) does not directly have anything to do with broadband communications.

      Broadband means "using a wide band of frequencies" for communication. In practice, no one gives a shit about frequencies used in the raw physical layer, net IP data bandwidth is all that matters. And even if people did care, most of the advances in data bandwidth are not actually just using "larger bands", they are using the existing bands more efficiently. DWDM, 256-QAM, VDSL, etc. As the technology gets better, OBVIOUSLY the standards for average bandwidth to the home will change...

    8. Re:Think? by Sique · · Score: 4, Insightful
      And that's exactly the point of the FCC regulation. Because rural areas currently can't get 4 mbs, and ISPs won't upgrade their networks without any incentive, it was proposed to give subsidies, so those areas also get upgraded.

      And the six senators seem to want to hand out those subsidies without the necessity for the ISPs to upgrade their networks first.

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  2. Congressmen from Republican party bought off by pecosdave · · Score: 5, Insightful

    by different lobby group than congressmen from Democrat party. New at 11

    They cooperated to get the SOPA and PIPA stuff we fought against so hard crammed into the TPP so whichever evil side you support remember, this left wing propaganda article brought to you by Slashdot.org!

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  3. 25 Mb/s would be amazing!! but.... by nichogenius · · Score: 5, Interesting

    but.... I would be happy if my parent's rural location could get a consistent 2 Mb/s up and down connection without paying $100/month for high latency satellite.

    1. Re: 25 Mb/s would be amazing!! but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There's an easy solution to that. Order a POTS line then tell them your FAX doesn't work. They are legally required by the state to make that work, and they'll fight the city to be allowed to replace wiring and equipment. That's what I did, and now 160 kbps DSL now works for me.

  4. Re:Because it's true? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and my family are a heavy user.

    No, no you're not. I telework from home. I have to kick off data file downloads the night before so that they're hopefully here by morning.

    Data files that are sampled at 1 MHz that need to be analyzed. I max out my 25Mbit connection constantly. Sending data files back is even worse.

    If you want your little part of the country to step into this century and have jobs for this century everyone is going to need 1 Gbit to the home. And as soon as I get 1 Gbit to the home I'm probably going to be asking when 10 Gbit is coming.

    If you can get by with 20 Mbit you are not a heavy user.

  5. Re:Business is suffering by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, if I'm not mistaken, YOU are expecting your fellow citizens to pay more tax so ISPs can reap more private profit. That's what this is about -- ISPs want more lenient definitions of "broadband" so they can more easily qualify for subsidies extorted from telephone customers .

    Or maybe I'm just stepping in a big pile of Poe again.

  6. Re:GOP stuck in the past in the pocket of big busi by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Informative

    GOP stuck in the past in the pocket of big business.

    to fix it we need to vote Bernie sanders or trump.

    Anyone who hasn't been under a rock for the past 25 years knows that Donald Trump is the pocket of big business.

  7. I live in India by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I live in a small town in India and I have a fibre to home 24Mbps connection for around 20 USD a month with 80GB cap. I can go for a faster connection with a larger cap but I have no use for it as of now.. Surprised the US is still lagging behind in terms of broadband..

  8. Re:Governmental solution to government problem by meglon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Broadband in the United States still lags behind similar service in other industrialized countries

    Is this a race or something? Is such "lagging behind" — whether it is even true or not — automatically bad?

    Perhaps one of the stupidest things i've read today..... We're basically talking about how the US compares to other counties in the basic medium that allows us to compete as a world economy, so YES, IT IS AUTOMATICALLY VERY FUCKING BAD. You may like the idea of burying your head up your ass and dreaming of 1950, but suggesting our country should be able to compete with the rest of the world while they move ahead and we're stuck looking at the inside of our colon is just stupider than shit.

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  9. Re:Back in 1985... by Yaztromo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So sure -- if you're just browsing /., you probably don't need anything higher than 25Mbps. But saying that's all anyone needs discounts the probability that with more bandwidth, new types of applications and usage scenarios can open up.

    Could you give us some examples? Outside extreme cases, the highest bandwidth apps only require 3-4Mpbs (and this has nothing to with any Internet standards, we run high def Apps on our 1Gb LAN and we still have nothing requiring more than 5Mbps. So no, even if you had 1Gbps you couldn't use it if you tried.

    Sure I could. I shuttle around AMI images, and do checkouts against large Subversion repos with 11+GB of data in them. I can easily saturate a 1Gb connection.

    But that's neither here nor there. If I knew what the next-generation hit application would be, I wouldn't be here chatting with you about it -- I'd be out there writing it. The thing is nobody really knows what sorts of applications we can come up with that benefit from ubiquitous, high bandwidth availability. Perhaps we start working more with applications that can offload their processing needs on-the-fly in a nearly invisible manner. If the network speed were crazy high enough, you could run as if you had completely dynamic RAM online for loads that suddenly require it (that would require an approximately 100Gbps connection, FWIW).

    But without those speeds, such applications can't be built. And as they can't be built, we can never know what amazing ideas people could come up with to make use of it. It's like a farmer with a cart and a mule saying "I can move both hay and milk from home to market -- what use would anybody have of an 18 lane paved freeway?". And yet, we have 18 line, paved freeways, and we make use of them all the time.

    Yaz

  10. How much is enough? by duckintheface · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course this is a moving scale over time. Right now, for most people, it's about 5Mbps down per person in the household. Netflix takes 3 Mbps. VOIP phone takes 0.16 Mbps. File downloads are usually limited by the server on the other end. I guess that servers will get faster if most folks have faster download speeds. Simple webpage downloads are limited by latency and broadband has little effect. I would really like to hear the case for speeds over 5Mbps/person.

    But that's a different issue from what the official "broadband" definition should be. Government subsidies should only go to companies that are pushing the boundaries. Time Warner should not get money for building more of the same slow service.

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