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The Telecommunications Ball Is Now In Cuba's Court
lpress writes: The FCC has dropped Cuba from its exclusion list (PDF), so there are now no restrictions on U.S. telecom company dealings with ETECSA, the Cuban government telecommunication monopoly, or any other Cuban organization. Last week the U.S. sent its second high-level telecommunication delegation to Cuba. The delegates were FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler and other government officials plus representatives of Cisco, Comcast, and Ericsson. Some of the news: there are at least 6 proposals for an undersea cable between Havana and Florida; Cisco has proposed a Network Academy at Cuba's leading computer science university (Chinese infrastructure dominates today); 4G mobile connectivity was discussed and Google was conspicuously absent. The time for Cuba to act is now — while President Obama is still in office.
I guess trump will build a Great Physical Wall on the boarder of Mexico and a Great Firewall on the boarder of Cuba. Who knew he could make the US look so much like China.
So, US companies are already looking to carve up Cuba for their own interests, and what happens to the Cuban people be damned.
That's not how Capitalism works.
Hey, I know, stop meddling and let them decide what the hell they want.
That *is* how Capitalism works.
Which is why US style capitalism won't be happening down there anytime soon, the state was and is in charge of any such businesses and the price of doing business there will be greasing the palms of the leaders.
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Capitalism works however the assholes with the most money decide it works.
It's not some law of nature, and it never has been.
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plus representatives of Cisco, Comcast [...]
there are at least 6 proposals for an undersea cable between Havana and Florida
The downside is that the undersea cable will have a 3Mbps uplink and cap the island nation at 250GB/month.
It's ok, Republicans don't think they'd need more than that.
Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
I think they will have Mc Culture sooner than you think.
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Don't conflate Cronyism with Capitalism...Cronyism can (and does) exist in virtually all feasible economic models. You are, indirectly but fundamentally, describing Capitalism as the solution to Cronyism, but calling them the same thing. They are not.
I can't afford American health care any more.
My concern is that if we send Comcast over to Cuba they might see it as a threat or declaration of war and ask Russia to station nukes on Cuba again. And I wouldn't blame them. I think giving them Comcast defeats the whole purpose of trying to thaw relations with them.
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Uh, I think that's the point of these meetings, to allow for service providers to now establish their own links with Cuba. Competition should dramatically reduce the cost. The nearest large mainland city is Miami, and being able to tie into the United States' network there, as opposed to having to go through Jamaica or Haiti or the Cayman Islands or through rural Mexico should have quite the impact on cost.
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What world do you live in? Non US companies have been doing business with Cuba for decades. US is late to the party.
All in theory yes. In reality not even close, the statement from the GP is so much more accurate
So, US companies are already looking to carve up Cuba for their own interests, and what happens to the Cuban people be damned.
The consumer gets very little power in making decisions on their own. The power really lies with the companies. Chemicals put into our food, clothes, furniture, packaging, etc all put there without our consent or knowledge and absolutely no testing done on any of them other than, well it didn't kill someone on contact, must be ok.
Flint, MI water supply. Consumers had zero say in where their water came from or how it was treated.
Depending on where you live, you get little to no say in your electricity coming from green, renewable resources or from coal.
Again, depending on where you live, you have little to no choice in telecom/internet providers. Which, btw, is the vast majority of the land.
Consumer purchasing power only comes down to a few end user items and brands. But for the actual companies running the world, we have no choice at all.
Ugly American truly applies. They have a lot more entrepreneurs than you think.
Why, because they have Venezuela as a fallback for all its communications and while Venezuela is very close to get in the club of failed countries, they still can provide the little connectivity that Cuba is interested to provide to its citizens, properly filtered and controlled as they want. You would say that is Cubans what run Venezuela now, because I'm certain that the bus driver they have now as president can't fuck so throughly a country like he has done by himself.
Cubans can take a look at Puerto Rico and say DO NOT WANT and nobody would blame them really. Sometimes is better to don't know better.
As for the telecom issue, there are two key issues for the Cubans. The first is that there is very limited bandwidth for Internet access. Cuba just doesn't have enough high-sped satellite or undersea connections to allow video streaming and other high-bandwidth uses. Instead, someone will burn DVDs with movies and other content, then share them with others. It's like the old sneaker-net. So ETECSA (or its successor) will have to address the bandwidth issue before Cuba can have better Internet access. The proposal for the cable to Florida seems like a good start.
The second issue is limited public access to the Internet. If you are at the UCI (Computer science university), it's easy to get on the Internet from their machines, which run Nova, a UCI-developed Linux distro. Home computers with network access are extremely rare, so most people wanting to get onto the Internet must go to an ETECSA-run center and pay for access. The rate is about $2 US/hour, payable only in "hard" currency CUCs, extremely high in a country where average monthly salary is about $25. Overall, the estimate is that about 3% of the Cuban population is on the Internet, mostly through ETESCA's nauta.cu portal.The situation isn't any better with mobile phones, where ETECSA hasn't yet reached 3G speeds and there are no data plans. More info on the ETECSA site (in Spanish).
Just because Americans couldn't go to Cuba, it doesn't mean they were isolated. Everyone else could go there but Americans. And you could actually go to Cuba if you went through Canada or Mexico. The Cubans were pretty nice about not stamping Americans' passports so you wouldn't get in trouble when you returned to the assholes at our border.
The lease of Guatanamo Bay really has nothing to do with the current process of lifting sanctions. The Gitmo issue is about human rights IRL enemy combatants, and I imagine the average Jose in Cuba is a bit more concerned about changes that affect him directly.
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
One should look at the results. Oh, cheap products cramming shelves in the US.
Oh look, youngsters lining up to put on Coke T shirts and get real jobs and smart phones.
The bizarro world antics of some posters reminds me of the SNL Deiter skit with Mike Meyers and Woody Harrelson, who played a formerly affected art snob like Deiter, but from East Germany, now running around after the Berlin Wall fell with a beer chugging hat on and beer tubes in his mouth. WHOOOHOOO!!! WHOOOHOOO!
Some of you are just so upset over this.
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Consumer purchasing power only comes down to a few end user items and brands. But for the actual companies running the world, we have no choice at all.
Which if you think about it, is a strength of capitalism. You shouldn't have a say in most of what goes on in the world. It's not your business.
That's funny, because all the members of the Castro family like to whine incessantly about how the US embargo was oppressing them. They have the rest of the world!
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
You can't go from 6 decades of isolation to thinking US style Capitalism isn't going to fuck up the place if you try to do it overnight.
Uhmm, Cuba was only isolated by the United States for the last 6 decades. Other countries have been doing business with them for a very long time.
Back in 2006 I was sent to Guantanamo Bay for a week-long contract. As I was walking into the Navy Exchange to grab some beer, my blackberry rang, I picked it up and answered, and everyone around me looked at me like I was from Mars. It dawned on me at that point that I probably had the only working cell phone on base, since as a Canadian (with a Canadian service contract), my phone had no trouble roaming onto the Cuban cell network.
Yeah, it was only GPRS, but for text email on a Blackberry it was still better than two rocks to bang together.
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The whole idea is in and of itself crazy. Cuba should buy stuff made in China from the US because, 'er' 'um', they will be made to suffer if they do not. Reality is Cuba wants US sanctions to end because it affects Cuba's trade with other countries. Sure they'll be polite and buy some stuff from the US and allow US tourists in but they would be stupid to allow the US government to take total control over their communications infrastructure. Main goal, to be able to completely silence the country, should the US 'er' when the US, wishes to initiate a US led coup. Until such time as they can force a group of Cubans in Cuba to cheer the new democratic government (US controlled puppet government). Until there is significant change in the US government they would be foolish to allow them back in, in any significant way. First sign of real change withdrawal from Guantanamo Bay, instead of current planning for regime change.
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Cuba is still a very oppressive place to live. Why are we rewarding that behavior?
"A plan fiendishly clever in its intricacies"- Homer Simpson
When you say "interfered with the affairs of Flint" you probably should say, "set aside democracy in Flint and installed a city dictator who reports to the Governor."
A company that does business with Cuba cannot do business with the US. A ship cannot dock in a US port before 6 months have passed since it docked in a Cuban port. It's not that simple.
When you say "interfered with the affairs of Flint" you probably should say, "set aside democracy in Flint and installed a city dictator who reports to the Governor."
Yes, I could say that though that would gloss over the legal restraints on said "city dictator" or the existence of the democratically elected city council.
Buying stuff from the US is, mostly, STILL buying stuff from China...just with a giant markup for the middle men.
Yeah, you just put a piece of paper in there and they stamp that. I've been to Cuba a couple of times. I'm a bit fond of the place. I'd actually pondered seeing if I could retire there and then I thought about it some more and realized that they'd not want me and that I'd not actually be happy living there. However, it's a great place to visit for a little while and the people are very awesome.
I'm reasonably fluent in Spanish so I don't need a guided tour or anything. I've enjoyed myself a great deal both times that I've gone there. I'm actually pondering going there again soon - before they start changing a great deal. I don't worry so much that they'll change - I just worry that they'll have other people there are are not Cuban. I don't want to go to Cuba to see and hang out with other tourists. I just want to go and visit and get to know the people and the culture.
That sort of thinking has often meant I get off the beaten path. I travel - I travel a lot. I just don't like to go to tourist destinations very much. Why would I want to go to somewhere new, somewhere different, and see the same people that I can see at home? I literally retired in "Vacationland." I see enough tourists. I've even had whole tour buses come up my driveway, by mistake, looking for foliage. Fortunately, there's room for them to turn around. I've actually let 'em get out and walk around and stomp through the woods once but GPS mistakenly points to my driveway as a road. Yes, yes it was a road - fifty years ago. It was a logging road and never fit for automobiles until I paved it.
So, they come driving up - sometimes more than once a year. By all rights, it looks like it'd be a scenic view and a trip back to the main road. Well, it is... Technically. You're just probably not going to want to do it in a bus (though I'd love to let them try) and it now goes across my lawn where it is no longer really a road.
So, I get a bunch of French speaking folks from Quebec. They're generally polite and a bit embarrassed. I am actually a bit used to it now - it has happened multiple times. I'm not entirely sure why they come to Maine to look at foliage - they've got plenty of foliage of their own but they tend to do some shopping down here as I guess some things are less expensive in the US. Why they don't just come shopping, I'll never know. I mean, they do that too but why these particular people (and there are a whole lot of them - like bus after bus after bus, for about a month) come down here to look at foliage is kind of confusing to me. They've got fine foliage. I'm pretty much about 45 minutes from the other side of the border and that includes 20 minutes to get through the border. I've asked and mostly they mention shopping and, of course, foliage. So, I don't know why they don't just come shopping and they've got the same damned foliage I have. I'm literally about 45 minutes from being on the other side of the border...
Ah well... At least it gives me something to ponder but it means that I don't actually want to go see tourists when I'm *being* a tourist.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
When US plans for regime change, first is it political campaign donations via NGOs and from there it escalates to bombs and mass murder. Nope, America should fuck off and let the Cubans decide, no more, fucked up regime changes.
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