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1 In 3 Home Routers Will Be Used As Public Wi-Fi Hotspots By 2017

An anonymous reader writes: Juniper Research predicts that at least 1 in 3 home routers will be used as public Wi-Fi hotspots by 2017, and that the total installed base of such dual-use routers will reach 366 million globally by the end of 2020. Major broadband operators such as BT, UPC and Virgin Media in Europe and several of the biggest cable TV operators in the U.S. such as Comcast and Cablevision have adopted the homespot model as a low-cost way of rapidly expanding their domestic Wi-Fi coverage.

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  1. If they're unpatched Juniper routers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    they already are?

  2. Conflicting goals by CrankyOldEngineer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How will ISPs help enforce copyright laws if they don't know who is using your router?

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    1. Re:Conflicting goals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Speaking as a BT customer (well, a relative of one...), to use the hotspot, you must log in with your account details.

      The router has two networks and two IP addresses, so the ISP knows exactly who is surfing what.

    2. Re:Conflicting goals by zarmanto · · Score: 5, Informative

      How will ISPs help enforce copyright laws if they don't know who is using your router?

      Wouldn't that be a problem when your neighbor has child pr0n on his box?

      These are both misunderstandings based upon Juniper's misuse of the term "public wifi hotspot". These hotspots are not usually public, strictly speaking; they are only accessible to other customers of the internet provider, and each of those users have to log into the hotspot with their carrier provided account in order to use it. Thus, their network activity can (theoretically) be tracked back to them, based upon their login credentials.

      Another concern often voiced is the notion of random people taking up all of your bandwidth: This is addressed by the simple fact that the providers are all perfectly capable of serving significantly more bandwidth then the (insert-your bandwidth limit here) that you're paying for. However, what that doesn't address is collisions and QoS measures... so one or more customers of your provider, all connecting through your router for some weird reason, (such as a Superbowl party at your neighbor's house, for example) could theoretically establish so many simultaneous connections, as to make it seem like they've saturated all of your bandwidth... when really, they've just maxed out the thread count on the router. The solution to this scenario is not entirely intuitive -- but there is indeed a solution:

      First, don't assume that you can trust the configuration software on the provider's router. If they've decided that they want to use their hardware as a hotspot, they'll eventually figure out how to leave "public" access turned on, even if you attempt to turn wifi off entirely. So instead, just disconnect the wifi antenna from the provider's router. If the antenna is internal or otherwise cannot be physically disconnected, then just Faraday cage the heck out of that thing, with multiple layers of heavy duty aluminum foil and cardboard. Once you've verified that no wireless signals can reach the provider's router, you can safely configure (and properly secure) your own personal router, on the inside of your network.

  3. No Thanks by PPH · · Score: 3, Informative

    Even if the telecoms are not counting the public hotspot use against my caps, it could impact the performance of my network.

    But mainly, it's the desire not to attract certain elements into my neighborhood who depend on free services. I wish I could find a pic of the hobo sitting in front of his tent in the 'Seattle Jungle' camp pecking away at his Apple laptop. Probably mooching off a local business' unsecured WiFi. It was run on the local news during a report on some recent drug murders there.

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    1. Re:No Thanks by rsborg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Even if the telecoms are not counting the public hotspot use against my caps, it could impact the performance of my network.

      But mainly, it's the desire not to attract certain elements into my neighborhood who depend on free services. I wish I could find a pic of the hobo sitting in front of his tent in the 'Seattle Jungle' camp pecking away at his Apple laptop. Probably mooching off a local business' unsecured WiFi. It was run on the local news during a report on some recent drug murders there.

      In our case, we used to have random folks hanging out on the curb near our house (sometimes late at night playing loud music), then I took a bat to my "xfinitywifi" cable modem/router, and bought a device that did not have wifi capabilities.
      I still saw the "xfinitywifi" and people still randomly parked in front of my house.
      I told my neighbors who are also annoyed by these interlopers, we all replaced our modems... and now no more jerks in our neighborhood (for the past several months) - and bonus - no rental fee for each of our cable subscriptions.

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    2. Re:No Thanks by The-Ixian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have an open wifi hotspot that I let anyone use.

      I am in an apartment building and the SSID is: Free_Internet_Courtesy_of_apartment_311

      I am happy to let my neighbors use my Internet. I certainly don't utilize it fully myself (I have 1Gb up/down).

      I remember when I first moved in. I didn't have the Internet lined up right away and was using a neighbor's open wifi for about a week. I was so grateful for that I decided I would give back.

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    3. Re:No Thanks by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      QoS is beyond the abilities of many home Internet users, especially because in many cases you'd have to use your own router.

      Okay let me stop you right there. None of this is in control of the user of these devices. What typically happens is you connect your modem / router to the cable, it connects based on your address and bam a configuration change happens doing all sorts of wonderful things like enabling / disabling IPv6, or enabling / disabling port forwarding (e.g. since there's no need to port forward if you're behind a CGNAS box since you don't have a public IP). The ISP is in control of most of the settings, and very few of them are available to users. I can't tweak any QoS settings on my router. They do exist through, along with SNMP and many other features I have access to they are listed in the datasheet, and my ISP's FAQ mentions specifically that their public WiFi spot will not affect your max download speed (implying some form of prioritisation).

      I'd love to test this theory now but unfortunately I had to switch to a business account since after my modem connected I lost access to the port forwarding function. The business account had a public IP address not behind NAT, and I was advised to wait 2 days then reset the modem/router. After doing so it looked like a completely different model as far as the feature set that was available on the admin interface.

      Don't assume that because you don't have a fancy interface for a feature that it's not "supported" by the device. Chances are it is, but just not for you.

  4. 2 things: by Yonder+Way · · Score: 2

    1. Use your own modem. Your ISP should have a hardware compatibility list. Pick a model off of that list and you're good to go. I ended up picking one with no internal WiFi capabilities, because I had something better in mind.
    2. I can't speak highly enough about the combination of a pfSense based router (I run mine on Netgate hardware) and Ubiquiti UniFi wireless equipment. I've got access points at opposite ends of my property to blanket the whole house and yard with WiFi coverage and it works very well. The AP's work cooperatively together, and I've been able to get creative about how I provide guest networking with this combination.

  5. Re:Big question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

    The other benefit you're going to get is that you'll reduce your bill by $10 a month.

    My roommate won't discuss the monthly bill. I'm perfectly content with paying $20 per month for DSL service. But my roommate is speed maniac and pays for the privilege go into plaid.

  6. Re:Have I Missed something? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This benefits the owner of the router how exactly?

    In a competitive market, it would mean lower prices.

    In a monopolistic market, it doesn't matter if the customer benefits, because the customer doesn't have any choice.

  7. I can't see it by JustNiz · · Score: 2

    Seriously I just can't see it ever happening other than by it being forced on broadband customers, or it being the default setting on all routers and there being enough ignorant owners who don't know to turn it off.(kinda like the "all computers come with windows" model).

    Even on routers that segregate wifi clients outside the LAN firewall, the charming person sitting in their car outside your house and surfing child porn sites is still doing so through your IP address. Good luck trying to explain that to the technically clueless judge.

    Also the first time your netflix movie is laggy or you keep dying in your favourite online FPS because someone across the street is free-loading a significant chunk of your bandwidth is when you will turn off public access and leave it off.

  8. Re:I saw it coming by Racemaniac · · Score: 2

    Why disable it??
    My ISP router is like that, and if you enable the public hotspot on yours, you can use those of others too (which i find incredibly useful :) ).
    And for security: all that router is allowed to do is have my decent router in its DMZ, and from there on i form my own network where i know exactly what devices i'm using :).

  9. Re:Have I Missed something? by Tim+the+Gecko · · Score: 2

    The "consumer" is defined as people who want the wifi, the people whose power bill is being leeched off .. well, tough.

    I would think that a lot of people belong to both these categories - you spend a lot of time at home, but sometimes you travel to other places where pain-free WiFi would be useful. However, most posters here seem to be saying these two sets are totally disjoint.

  10. Re:I saw it coming by joaommp · · Score: 2

    10 cents per month? you must never have paid an electricity bill

  11. Re:I saw it coming by blackomegax · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You must never have done math. wifi chips consume 100-200 milliwatts, max, and that's under load. Idle is much lower. That's less than 10 cents a month, full tilt.

  12. Re:I saw it coming by Golddess · · Score: 2

    My current electricity cost is about 14 cents per kWh.
    My router draws 1.6 amps at 10 volts, for 16 watts of power.
    Plugging those numbers into this calculator gives me a max monthly operating cost of about $1.64, or a yearly operating cost of less than $20. And that assumes that it is drawing the max amount of power 24/7.

    10 cents per month is probably still under-estimating the actual average cost, and you certainly have the right to bitch about having to pay any amount, but I'm really curious as to why you made the accusation that you did.

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  13. Re:I saw it coming by joaommp · · Score: 2

    I'm sorry, what accusation?

  14. Re:Turn off Wifi on a Comcast Modem? by crow · · Score: 3, Informative

    For phone services, I would suggest looking into an OBi100 or similar device. http://www.amazon.com/OBi100-T...

    This is similar hardware to Magicjack, but it works with whatever VoIP provider you choose.

    I'm with voip.ms, which is $.01/minute billed in 6-second increments for all calls (in and out). There's an extra $1/month, plus another $1/month for 911 service. If you want caller ID names, it's an extra $.01/call, but only if it's not in the contacts you set up on their web page. There is a fee for porting numbers.

    Another option is Google Voice. All calls (US/Canada) are free, but there's no caller ID names, even from your Google Contacts. Also, Google only lets you port mobile numbers, not land-line numbers, but people have managed to do it by first porting their cell phone to a prepaid cell. (I have our outgoing calls set to a Google Voice number, which can be a bit confusing for people.)

  15. Re: I saw it coming by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 2

    Stop making fun of Mr. Chekov!

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  16. Re:I saw it coming by joaommp · · Score: 2

    I did not accuse. I speculated.

  17. ISP hotspots makes users vulnerable to phishing by evilRhino · · Score: 2

    I've seen quite a few xfinity wifi spots around, but in order to use them they require my Comcast credentials. I never use them because I'm not sure if it's honeypot built to steal my credentials. I could install an app to confirm if the hotspot is real, but doing so requires giving Comcast invasive permission to access data on my phone.

  18. Re:I saw it coming by edtice1559 · · Score: 3, Informative

    But it's not uncompensated access. The principle of these systems is reciprocal. Company XYZ adds a second-channel to the WiFi access points and all of their customers can use them. So if you are across town and need to access the Internet, you can just connect. The compensation is in the form of you getting to use the other APs. Now we could argue that it should be opt-in, but it's not uncompensated. In fact, I'm surprised they don't make it op-in as most people would do so with glee.

  19. Re:I saw it coming by edtice1559 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Those who opt-in will be allowed to use all of the APs that are part of the service. Those who don't can pay for 3G/4G when they're not at home.