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Why Does Twitter Refuse To Shut Down Donald Trump? (vortex.com)

Lauren Weinstein writes: The conclusion appears inescapable. Twitter apparently has voluntarily chosen to 'look the other way' while Donald Trump spews forth a trolling stream of hate and other abuses that would cause any average Twitter user to be terminated in a heartbeat. There's always room to argue the proprietary or desirability of any given social media content terms of service — or the policy precepts through which they are applied. It is also utterly clear that if such rules are not applied to everyone with the same vigor, particularly when there's an appearance of profiting by making exceptions for particular individuals, the moral authority on which those rules are presumably based is decimated, pointless, and becomes a mere fiction. Would you rather Twitter shut down no account ever, apply a sort of white-listing policy, or something in the middle?

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  1. Because that would be unimaginable CENSORSHIP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because that would be unimaginable CENSORSHIP?
    You stupid leftist idiot.

    1. Re: Because that would be unimaginable CENSORSHIP? by HiThere · · Score: 5, Insightful

      While I agree that those on the left, when in power, tend to unfairly deprive their opponents of the right to be heard, the exact same thing is true of those on the right. They just "censor" based on different grounds.

      And I don't approve of either.

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    2. Re:Because that would be unimaginable CENSORSHIP? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Free speech means that you are free to say whatever you want. But it does not place any entity, private or public, under any obligation to offer you a platform. If Twitter decides to censor Trump, that's censorship, but it's not unimaginable since it's a private company. They are free to censor him because they think his views are bad, because they hate his guts, or because it's a full moon on Saturday.

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    3. Re:Because that would be unimaginable CENSORSHIP? by myowntrueself · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Huh, wut?

      Why does Trump get a privilege (in fact a right enshrined in the constitution) that I don't just because he's a candidate?

      The thing is, this isn't even true:

      Donald Trump spews forth a trolling stream of hate and other abuses that would cause any average Twitter user to be terminated in a heartbeat.

      The kinds of things he comes out with are nowhere NEAR hate or abuse. Its all in the imaginations of the people who fear him. To describe it as hate speech is ludicrous and dilutes the whole concept of 'hate speech'. Which can't be a bad thing, IMO.

      "We should stop Muslims coming into America until we can figure out what the hell is going on." is not hate speech.

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  2. Can't say I speak for Jack Dorsey... by Pollux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...But if I was him, I'd give Trump all the rope he needs to hang himself with.

  3. Twitter shouldn't be shutting anyone down.. by brxndxn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Free speech is free speech. Everyone else is free to ignore it. If a radical idea catches on, so fucking what. Twitter should not be shutting down Donald Trump and Lauren Weinstein should quit whining about it like free speech is some sort of threat.

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    1. Re:Twitter shouldn't be shutting anyone down.. by spire3661 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is these platforms are becoming DE FACTO speech platforms to the point that either they need to start developing common carrier rulesets, or we need to develop other comms platforms that people can easily join and communicate on. I am not comfortable ceding THIS much speech to a EULA alone. These platforms are used ALOT, its time we start thinking about enforcing The First a little harder when you are reaching so many minds. Information is becoming far too malleable, which is one of the key take-aways of Orwell's 1984. I dont invoke Orwell often, but im seeing speech shaping occurring daily now.


      I uploaded a short clip of the green mile to FB the other day to make a point to a friend , and as soon as it finished uploading, FB said it was blocked on copyright grounds, automatically. I was trying to show the scene in Green Mile where Percy is gloating over a dead prisoner, and Brutal viciously scolds him saying 'leave him alone, hes paid what he owed. Hes square with the house again'. Its a 20 seconds clip out of a 3 hour movie... that kind of heavy handedness is ridiculously over the top and stifled a conversation i was having with a friend.. Is that clip really a threat to anyone's revenue? Its time for new conversation about how far these platforms can stifle speech or if we need to legally limit their scope.

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  4. An experiment by 3vi1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I propose a test: Create an alternate account and re-post the same things Donald Trump posts. Maybe change the names/groups mentioned in order to protect the innocent.

    Then, if Twitter shuts you down, you would have a pretty open and shut case as to preferential and selective treatment.

  5. Sigh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just because you don't agree (or are insulted) with the man or his policies doesn't mean he should be censored. When he begins calling for the gruesome death of all people who don't agree with him (e.g. ISIL), then we will have something to talk about. The only reason this article has ANYTHING to do with Slashdot is cuz Twitter. Can we get back to technology stuffy, please?

  6. Freedom of speech as long as it's the right one by vivaoporto · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The very asking of the headline question reeks of "freedom of speech as long as it's the right one".

    People should be able to discern speech the agree with vs. speech they don't on their own after considering every opinion made.

    Speech "carriers" have all the right to censor the speech in their media as they see fit (not being the government and all) but the very moment the prevent someone to speak their mind on their platform (no matter how radical they may sound) they forfeit their right to call themselves "a bastion of free speech" and become the same as every other news media: a place to broadcast the views of their owners and target audience, no more, no less.

    In conclusion, every company have the right to pick and choose what they want to enable to be said on their property but as soon as they choose to censor they become yet another biased source just like every other else.

  7. What is Trump saying on twitter that is so bad? by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Informative

    The headline presumes a lot of things.

    Read the actually Twitter account and it's relatively bland, in pages of tweets I couldn't see anything that would cause an account from anyone to be suspended.

    Its amazing how furious trump makes people, and sad how they themselves must lie to try and shut down someone they disagree with.

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  8. Stop. by ArylAkamov · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can we stop calling opposing political opinions "trolling" and "hate speech"?

    The word has lost all meaning at this point.

    Unless people actually think Trump is doing what he is doing for the lulz and purely to bother people.

  9. Try Introspection, Lauren by Elias+Israel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Calling Trump a fascist and demanding he not be permitted to speak is such delightful irony that I pray the writer did it on purpose. Or, they are missing the point of liberal, modern civilization so badly that they should go back to school. And, no, I don't approve of Donald Trump. He can go hump an a-bomb for all I care.

  10. comment from Poland by Jacek+Poplawski · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I live in Poland. I use Slashdot for a long time.
    I remember first Obama campaign and pathetic political propaganda on Digg. Not just bad, it was really pathetic.
    Looks like you will never learn, now there is a huge anti-Trump propaganda on Slashdot.
    Twitter should shut down his account? What about facebook? Google?
    Why this community is so brainwashed?

  11. Insane levels of Political correctness detected. by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How dit this idiocy reach the front page of slashdot. Is this the new management at work?

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  12. He's been trying for months now by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    to do just that. Every time he says something nutso his poll numbers go up. Thing is, white working class America knows something is wrong, but they don't know what to do about it. They don't believe in the income inequality fairy, but they do know that they're losing ground. Their kids aren't going to college, or if they are they leave a public university with $60k in debt. They haven't seen a raise in years that wasn't immediately eaten up by price increases.

    What they want and need is the Nordic Model. But they haven't got a chance. Most of these guys spend 2 hours a day commuting to their shitty jobs listening to Rush. They spent their childhood being told that if you work hard and play by the rules and don't get ahead it's your fault. Heck, when the millennials started complaining about the 60 hour work weeks with no benefits or job security or even food security they scoffed at them. They don't want help. They were told they could make it on their own. The keep getting told this by billionaires and their media outlets. I've tried reasoning with them but it's no go. They've got an answer for every point I make spoon fed to them by those same billionaires.

    But they still know something's wrong. Trumps the only man they got.

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    1. Re:He's been trying for months now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Because it's not the billionaires I feel threatened by, it's people like Hillary who only see their political position and nothing more. She's the one that shuts out people like Lessig from participating in government. Between her, or any other politician, and Trump, Trump is the lesser evil. He's a bumbling buffoon versus someone who deals regularly in shady government practices.