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Microsoft Serves Cloud From the Sea Bed (datacenterdynamics.com)

judgecorp writes: A Microsoft Research project to run a data center underwater was so successful the team actually delivered commercial Azure cloud services from the module, which was 1km off the US Pacific coast for three months. The vessel, dubbed Leona Philpot after a Halo character, is a proof of concept for Project Natick, which proposes small data centers that could be submerged for five years or more, serving coastal communities.

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  1. Azure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now serving you from the blue Azure sea...

    1. Re:Azure by cayenne8 · · Score: 0

      Soo.....what's the benefit of having it below water, offshore?

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    2. Re:Azure by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 4, Funny

      When the servers crash and display a blue screen it's not so evident anymore.

    3. Re:Azure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You realize a large chunk of their cloud business is running Linux VMs, right?

    4. Re:Azure by gfilion · · Score: 2

      I wonder if Microsoft is doing this for legal reasons. If the go far enough from the shore, they're in international waters, and are not subject to national laws anymore.

    5. Re:Azure by Nutria · · Score: 1

      International Waters are 12 miles, not 3/5 of a mile.

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    6. Re:Azure by Tighe_L · · Score: 1

      This is probably why Google's Servers are in shipping containers, if they ever need to get out of the country just throw them on a container ship.

    7. Re:Azure by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 0

      In typical Microsoft style, I bet the main OS running the VMs is Windows.

      Still funny that Microsoft doesn't even use their own OS for their services.

    8. Re:Azure by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      Soo.....what's the benefit of having it below water, offshore?

      I'm assuming, heat dissipation. I have a thought: could the column of steam rising out of the sea above a really big server farm be usable, given an onshore prevailing wind, to increase rainfall in dry places like California?

    9. Re:Azure by gfxguy · · Score: 2
      • Passive water cooling.
      • Prefab means they can be deployed relatively quickly. You can prefab on land, but you still need to lay foundations... and these wouldn't be permanent; when you wanted them gone, they'd pack it up and remove it, leaving no trace.
      • The design idea is to keep them close to renewable (hydroelectric, maybe wave generated) power sources.
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    10. Re: Azure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure international waters are measured in kilometers, not miles. They're international, remember?

    11. Re: Azure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heat dissipation? Have you been living under a rock?
      The oceans are already too warm due to co2 and the ozone layer and you know it

    12. Re: Azure by ls671 · · Score: 2

      It is measured in nautical miles = 1.15 mile = 1.852 km

      By the way one knot = one nautical mile per hour.

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    13. Re: Azure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thermal. Cheaper to dump heat into the ocean then to pump it out.

    14. Re: Azure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many football fields is that?

    15. Re:Azure by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      Soo.....what's the benefit of having it below water, offshore?

      If you think a little bit, you would know the answer right away. If not, read TFA or the quote below from TFA.

      The sea provided passive cooling, but further tests this year might place a vessel neare [sic] hydroelectric power sources off the coast of Florida or Europe.

      However, my concern is that they are short-sighted in their research (quoted below from TFA).

      The group put one server rack inside a cylindrical vessel, named Leona Philpot after a character in the Halo Xbox game. The eight-foot (2.4m) diameter cylinder was filled with unreactive nitrogen gas, and sat on the sea bed 30 ft (9m) down, connected to land by a fiber optic cable.

      According to a report in the New York Times, the vessel was loaded with sensors to prove that servers would continue working the vessel wouldn’t leak, and would not affect local marine life.

      What they did was deploying only ONE vessel, and then claimed that there is NO EFFECT on marine life. But then they are talking about MASS PRODUCTION. I understand that in a very small scale, there may not be any effect, which is similar to geothermal. However, what would be the effect for having plenty in one area (which seems to be common sense when deploy)? Increasing only a couple degree Celsius of sea temperature in one small area could effect marine lives living in that area, e.g. Shark ( http://shark.ch/Information/Se... ). They have not experimented this but rather claim that it is OK to do so already...

    16. Re:Azure by tburkhol · · Score: 2

      Prefab means they can be deployed relatively quickly. You can prefab on land, but you still need to lay foundations... and these wouldn't be permanent; when you wanted them gone, they'd pack it up and remove it, leaving no trace.

      Maybe not permanent, but designed for 20-year residence, with 5-year hardware rotations. It's enormously more expensive to build a watertight submarine than a waterproof house, so you're going to want substantial lifetime to recover that extra margin. Water-tight seals, corrosion resistance, pressure proof to say 3-4 atmospheres. The actual chamber isn't flooded, so there's still a big air space and a thick steel plate between your hot processor and the cool water.

      I can see where the real estate to plant these things might be cheaper than downtown San Francisco. They're still going to need some kind of shore facility to house routers and power.. Nor do I think there are that many real-world installations that regularly go 5 years without any hardware maintenance.

      Seems like a neat toy. Or a publicity stunt. I'm glad someone has so much cash lying around that they can investigate wholly impractical applications, but no one who knows anything about water is likely to go anywhere near this. If you need fast and impermanent, put a shipping container in a parking lot. If you want passive cooling, find a parking lot in Anchorage or Edmonton.

    17. Re:Azure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the article:

      Free cooling, free power, and low real-estate costs. These are often the three largest costs of any datacenter. Plus, 50% of the population are near coastlines. They need an easy (and cheap) way to reduce latency by physically locating them closer to people. Think about the major metro areas (Seattle, SanFran, LA, Houston, Florida, WashDC, NYC, Boston), these will have much lower latencies by locating these little pods off their coastlines, than any other peering exchanges could ever do in-land. Meanwhile, in Google Cloud, you only have 2 options.... East or West US.

      Brings a whole new meaning to being an "offshoring" company.

    18. Re: Azure by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, last time I went swimming in the ocean I was scalded by the not quite boiling water...

      Except that didn't happen, because the ocean is still cold.

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    19. Re: Azure by adolf · · Score: 1

      How many football fields is that?

      30.3086

    20. Re:Azure by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Possibly ... possibly.

      But for absolute certain, every person who suffers any degree of flooding damage within a thousand miles will be sueing your nuts off for actual, consequent and exemplary damages.

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    21. Re:Azure by vandamme · · Score: 1

      Maybe they want to hide that fact.

    22. Re:Azure by vandamme · · Score: 1

      Not gonna get that hot, under 30 feet of cold water with a gradual current.

    23. Re:Azure by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Would those be the same people who were going to sue for carbon warming causing eternal drought?

    24. Re:Azure by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Maybe. A decade or two ago, when the water utilities of England and Wales were sold to private companies, the legislation was written so that it was illegal to divert rainwater from [your land] into [your water system], and so avoid paying water fees to the companies.

      This went to court. And the water companies almost won, until the trial judge started to lead the water company's barrister up the path of "it's your water as soon as it falls from the sky ... therefore, if it floods someone's house, or leaks through their roof, it is YOUR property, and therefore YOUR fault.

      The barrister dropped the case with between minutes and seconds to spare before the case was found in his client's favour, with the consequences.

      This was in the late 1980s or so. The barrister has saved his employer's many billions of claims since.

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    25. Re:Azure by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Here in the US, Colorado has the same weird water law. There are people there who could use that barrister.

    26. Re:Azure by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      No use. Different country. As far as I know, precedents don't transfer between countries.

      There's nothing to stop them using the argument though. Whether it works under the property and tort laws of Colvada or wherever your problem is ... you need a local lawyer.

      You noticed how the commonest pre-politician employment of politicians is "lawyer" ; and who do you think they write laws to benefit?

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  2. Sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sorry for hijacking this article, but I would like to say that since the latest takeover, we have seen much higher quality articles than we saw pre-takeover. The articles all appear to follow the "News for Nerds. News that matters." tagline that Slashdot used to follow. It is early, but I am cautiously optimistic that things are getting better.

    Keep up the good work.

    1. Re:Sorry by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure it's a cognitive bias rather than a real pattern you have spotted there.

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    2. Re:Sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are pretty sure of someone's mental processes without actually being able to talk to that person and only having a very limited set of data to work with, wouldn't you be the one displaying cognitive bias?

    3. Re:Sorry by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1

      Humans are very predictable. Cognitive biases are common. It's like you're asking "you don't know him, how do you know he's breathing?". Think about it, genius.

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    4. Re:Sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL. With logic like that I know I can safely ignore you. After all, humans like you are pretty predictable...

    5. Re:Sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Humans are very predictable. Cognitive biases are common."

      So your argument states that you are displaying cognitive bias as well.

      "Think about it, genius."

      Logically flawed person putting down someone else's intelligence. Funny stuff there!

    6. Re:Sorry by sjritt00 · · Score: 1

      It can't keep up. Timothy has posted every single article since early Thursday. He will have to sleep at some point. The new overlords must be holding his family hostage.

    7. Re:Sorry by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      Well, do you know my grandfather? How do you know he's breathing?

      Here's a hint, genius: he doesn't breathe because he's dead, you insensitive clod!

    8. Re:Sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Humans are very predictable. Cognitive biases are common. It's like you're asking "you don't know him, how do you know he's breathing?". Think about it, genius.

      You're a parody and you're too dumb to know it.

    9. Re:Sorry by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1

      Yeah, keep denying reality. We know how well that's working out for America.

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    10. Re:Sorry by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1

      The fact that you think you've presented a "gotcha" argument speaks volumes. Of course I have cognitive biases. That's the fucking point, idiot. The difference between my observation and his is that evidence points to the fact the most people see patterns in things such as this where there isn't any. Events cluster. There's nothing special about events that happened to cluster. In fact, a certain quote about correlation vs causation is well repeated around these parts. I'm surprised people are even debating this.

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    11. Re:Sorry by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because when people see patterns, it's always safer to err on the side of there being an actual pattern. Now let's start believing in astrology and numerology!

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    12. Re:Sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The simple fact, moron, is that instead of citing evidence, you simply fell back to a generic, mindless argument that because people sometimes fall victim to cognitive bias that he is most likely falling victim to it. Your logic is bad, and you appear to be a stupid person. Instead of pointing out examples of the new regime putting up unworthy articles, you try to make yourself sound smart in your own eyes with a generic retort.

      You are a stupid person and you should feel bad about yourself.

    13. Re:Sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you really like to jump around with non sequiturs don't you?

  3. Under the sea by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 2

    That's your answer to everything.

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    1. Re:Under the sea by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

      Underwater cloud? I believe it's called trouble. "Like a bridge over troubled water".

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    2. Re:Under the sea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This reference is old enough to drink.

    3. Re:Under the sea by pak9rabid · · Score: 1

      ....it's not going to happen!

    4. Re:Under the sea by Coren22 · · Score: 1
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    5. Re:Under the sea by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1

      It's so catchy
      It's so catchy
      There's no escapin', this song's amazin'
      And so catchy
      You'll never get it out your head
      You'll sing the words until you are dead
      Even when you sleep, it plays on repeat
      It's so catchy

      So what? The message is kinda sexist
      Girls don't need brain cells, just big ole seashells
      Also don't be fat. But you'll ignore that
      'Cause It's catchy

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  4. So great! After they sunk Nokia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    they're going to sink the cloud. Congrats, I suppose.

  5. Energy waste. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sinking computational modules is nothing new. But I really think that the excess heat could be used to serve heating purposes.
    Wasting energy into ocean water is just, well... a waste.

    1. Re:Energy waste. by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      Depends where you put them. Might be a shame off the coast of Alaska, but off the coast of Florida it would be pointless. Still, even in a cold climate, it may not be worth the heating benefits when much of the heating comes from the units that cool the servers, takes a lot more energy (generally) getting "wasted" heat than means to generate heat directly. I'd bet there's little savings if buildings are being heated with natural gas (compared to not having to cool the equipment at all).

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    2. Re:Energy waste. by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1
      The article mentioned the modules could be water cooled or cooled by heat exchange with surrounding waters. However, if you go on the Natick site itself, it says otherwise.

      http://natick.research.microso...

      • Go to the FAQ section
      • Click on: How would a Natick datacenter impact the environment?
      • Read the last sentence in that section: "Natick datacenters consume no water for cooling or any other purpose."

      Now, I wonder how the cooling is done.

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    3. Re:Energy waste. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      heat transfer would not consume water...

  6. They've really gone off the deep end this time... by dfn5 · · Score: 2

    ...but I don't see any Windows on that capsule.

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  7. Open Waters.. by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maintenance must be a killer... Having to dive to fix a problem. I am not even making fun of Microsoft track record of less than stellar reliability to make 5 years of uptime seem possible.
    But connections to the systems, Cable get corroded or broken.
    Pirates you have millions of dollars of equipment under the sea mostly unguarded. If they may want to bring it up to steal and sell the hardware... Or they could hack into it the hard way (To get information from it)

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    1. Re:Open Waters.. by avandesande · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's full of spares and with current virtualization technology they will never need to do this. They have already been doing this 'pod' concept above ground for years.

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    2. Re:Open Waters.. by knightghost · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Modern data center modules no longer require physical maintenance. You load up on redundancy based on MTTF, turn it on, administer remotely, then replace the entire thing in 5 or so years. Redundancy and replacement is cheaper than maintenance.

    3. Re:Open Waters.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      That sounds like the current corporate mindset towards IT workers as well.

    4. Re:Open Waters.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you the engineers @ MS did not think about the points you raised? :) There is a reason they are killing the cloud competition now..

    5. Re:Open Waters.. by Charcharodon · · Score: 2

      New IT requirement, SCUBA certification.

    6. Re:Open Waters.. by Critical+Facilities · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I agree. I also have to say that this qualifies for the "just because something is difficult to do, does not mean it's worth doing" award. I honestly do not get the fucking point. They say it's to potentially serve remote areas. With what ? A can under the ocean, with some servers and drives in it? I mean, if it has a fiber line going to the local network on the island or whatever, OK, you have your connectivity to land, but what about everywhere else? Are they gonna splice into an intercontinental backbone cable?

      I guess I just don't get the value. If it is intended to be a node to connect that remote area to the internet, then I would ask why put the node connection underwater (and inaccessible, as you point out)? Wouldn't it be easier, cheaper, faster to deploy that on land?

    7. Re:Open Waters.. by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Meh, just another buzzcronym to learn and cert exam fee...

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    8. Re:Open Waters.. by The-Ixian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, something tells me that if this was Apple or Google doing this, the sentiment would be a lot different...

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    9. Re:Open Waters.. by castionsosa · · Score: 1

      Open waters are asking for trouble:

      1: Legal issues. If the data center is located even remotely near international waters, that data center then belongs to who has the biggest guns. Plus, it doesn't take much for someone to destroy it out of spite. Unlike the land where there can be guards or at least a few Knightscope models to look for trespassers, sea patrols are pretty expensive.

      2: People forget about barnacles and other critters calling intake ducts home. These things can clog pipes up very quickly, and it takes a lot of engineering and work to deal with these. Just tossing pipes in the sea without some method of cleaning them is asking for an eventual blockage.

      3: Corrosion. There is a reason why a doodad at West Marine costs 10 times the same doodad that isn't marine grade at Camping World. Water chews things up quickly.

      4: Upkeep. A data center on land is a solved problem. On water, economies of scale are not there, so it can be easily order of magnitudes more difficult to do basic tasks.

    10. Re:Open Waters.. by Critical+Facilities · · Score: 1

      Perhaps for some, but not for me. Now it may be that there is a perfectly good application, and I just need to understand it better. But for me, I don't understand its value, regardless of who's developing it.

    11. Re:Open Waters.. by The-Ixian · · Score: 2

      pros:

      1. cooling is not an issue (it's cool!)
      2. immune to all surface weather and earthquakes
      3. no property taxes and no land lord

      cons:

      1. sharks

      Looks like the pros win!

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    12. Re:Open Waters.. by nine-times · · Score: 1

      I had the same basic question, "What is the benefit here?" Skimming through the linked article, there is a sort of an answer:

      Underwater data centers can be cooled by the surrounding water, and could also be powered by wave or tidal energy

      I don't know if it's really much more efficient than having normal cooling systems and power generated by an external tidal power system, but it might not be completely pointless and stupid.

    13. Re:Open Waters.. by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      That sounds more like wishful thinking and marketing hype than reality.

      Because I know people who routinely deal with situations where people go into data centers to fix stuff.

      See, if you build that much redundancy you have to pay for it up front. And in my experience, companies aren't that forward looking.

      The hands off data center entirely done remotely? What percent of real situations does that describe? I'm betting it's pretty low.

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    14. Re:Open Waters.. by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      I don't understand the complaint about internet connectivity; aside from connecting to the people on land using such a data center, their internet connectivity would be the same as it's always been. I don't think these are necessary for remote areas, but in that instance, it would be a localized data center, perhaps because there's slow, or no, internet connectivity. And the benefit would be a modular system that is passively water cooled (dramatically lowering power requirements), which seems to ideally fit your example of a remote location.

      A prefab unit would also be easier to deploy and re-deploy, whereas constructing (even a prefab) unit on land usually requires some foundation and would require a lot more power to operate, as well as take a lot longer to install.

      I get it - it's Microsoft, and nobody likes Microsoft, but they have move from the realm of just stealing everyone else's ideas and doing their own implementations to actually doing some research, too, which puts them on par with most decent companies in IT.

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    15. Re:Open Waters.. by Critical+Facilities · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I didn't intend on writing this to be an anti-Microsoft thing, but you're the second person to reply assuming I was. I was not intending on bashing Microsoft just as a reflex. Sure, I'm guilty of criticizing some of their less desirable traits, but I do the same for Apple, Google, Facebook, etc.

      Now you may be right, of course, but here's where my (perhaps limited) mind is taking me: OK, so you connect local folks to this submarine data center. What can it have in it? Maybe a few hundred terrabytes of storage or something, right? So what would be stored there that is of value or how would that be useful to the local folks? I mean, maybe it's a switching mechanism/router point so it serves as a "mini-internet" to serve that local area. Otherwise, maybe it's just a cloud resource for the remote people to store their vacation photos or something.

      Again, I'm not dumping on Microsoft, and I'm not saying that this is absolutely a bad idea, I just don't understand what it would be for.

      Now, as for the passive cooling, I'm taking issue. You can either use geo-thermal cooling on land to have the same "free" cooling, or you can use simple air side economization to achieve the same thing (somewhat dependent on geographical location, of course). True, there would be SOME construction costs on land, but you could just put it in a parking lot in all honesty. On top of that, it's not like it's going to put itself down on the bottom of the ocean. There is probably going to be some pretty significant cost to lower it down, anchor it, attach cabling, etc. Tidal power is a possibility, but that technology is still pretty being refined. Yes, it's possible, but I don't know that they've got it down to where it could be applied reliably on the sea floor.

      TLDR: I'm just a skeptic who may not understand all of the angles, and I'm not dumping on Microsoft.

    16. Re:Open Waters.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Modern data center modules no longer require physical maintenance. You load up on redundancy based on MTTF, turn it on, administer remotely, then replace the entire thing in 5 or so years. Redundancy and replacement is cheaper than maintenance.

      Move it to the bottom of the sea and eventually you just forget to send it a paycheck, problem solved.

    17. Re:Open Waters.. by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

      ...minus the redundency. Which is why it never works.

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    18. Re:Open Waters.. by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

      Interesting arguments. Maybe this project is just a PR stunt. It sounds cool and forward looking, and maybe it's being publicized to make Azure (which, face it, has a huge marketing budget) seem cool. I think Amazon's 60 Minutes puff piece on delivery drones falls into this category, so why not undersea data centers - and self-driving cars for that matter, Google...

      I have no doubt the underlying projects have some serious futurists supporting them inside these huge corporations, but perhaps even that support gets the nod from the money guys based on the PR value.

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    19. Re:Open Waters.. by gfxguy · · Score: 2

      Passive water cooling is simply a whole lot easier, and with these units you can just "drop" them in and pick them up later on... If you're not near water, these units are pointless, but if you are, it's still a lot easier. If you're talking about a remote location, I'm think along the lines of research where your data center is local instead of only accessible over a slow internet connection. You drop a unit somewhere, collect data for a few years, then pull it all back to analyze.

      Even just in general, any remote location that does not have reliable high speed connectivity could benefit from local storage and data processing.... but even if you did have high speed access, it might be because your data needs to be secure.

      To be honest, I shrug my shoulders at the idea, but at least I can see something to it.

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    20. Re:Open Waters.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Exclusive Economic Zones extend 200 miles (from shelf or coast is still contested).

      2. Passive cooling, no pipes.

      3. Yes, they will use the $10 equivalent.

      4. There is a lot more open water than land available with infrastructure.

    21. Re:Open Waters.. by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      cons:
      2. Pirates
      3. Russian Subs
      4. American Subs
      5. Depth chargers

      International waters are rather lawless areas. The US Navy may attempt to protect it from someone else (Microsoft being an american company) however they are under no obligation to do so.

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    22. Re:Open Waters.. by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      I had the same basic question, "What is the benefit here?" Skimming through the linked article, there is a sort of an answer:

      Underwater data centers can be cooled by the surrounding water, and could also be powered by wave or tidal energy

      I don't know if it's really much more efficient than having normal cooling systems and power generated by an external tidal power system, but it might not be completely pointless and stupid.

      The wave or tidal energy part makes it a zero sum side effect on the local environment.

      If energy comes to you via waves or tides, it is expended via friction, changes in potential energy, sound and vibration, etc. and ends up as heat.

      If you take that energy, use it, and expel it as heat, you don't change a whole lot. The specific location of that heat, and perhaps delay it a little bit.

      True, if you are piping in electricity from land somewhere, you do heat the ocean around the pod some. Based on what I have seen in a lot of places, extra heat is enjoyed and valued by the local wild life and plants, so they might make for better fish in the area.

      With proper design, they could use heat conductors and no moving parts (besides hard drives) to make those things work, they might end up quite reliable.

    23. Re:Open Waters.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. If it was either of those two posters here would be falling all over themselves about brilliant and innovative it is. Slashdot's traditional anti-MS bias is in effect.

    24. Re:Open Waters.. by saider · · Score: 2

      Earthquakes have no effect under water?!?

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    25. Re:Open Waters.. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      If it helps, my first thought was CDN.

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  8. Maintenance Nightmare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How are they going to (cost effectively) service these machines when a hardware problem arises? It is inevitable that a power supply or drive will go bad. What about rebooting the servers when they blue screen. In a traditional data center you could get your hands on the machine when the inevitable hardware problem occurs.

    1. Re:Maintenance Nightmare by Bugler412 · · Score: 2

      in this sort of virtualizarion hosting environment, you don't fix it. If it can't be resolved remotely you simply take it offline and permanently shut it down, much like bad sectors on a hard disk or SSD get remapped and excluded.

  9. Huh? by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

    So their portable data center is about the size of a container. Why not put it on dry land? Certainly renting ground the size of a container from someone has to be cheaper than running undersea cables. This seems like a stunt, not a business plan.

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    1. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      So their portable data center is about the size of a container. Why not put it on dry land? Certainly renting ground the size of a container from someone has to be cheaper than running undersea cables. This seems like a stunt, not a business plan.

      But this is a sunk cost.

    2. Re:Huh? by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Informative

      Cold ocean water transfers heat away from the container much more efficiently than warm air would. A cable might be more expensive than rent, but is it more expensive than rent + air conditioning?

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    3. Re:Huh? by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Actually... if you don't have to pay someone for land, then you are only paying for the data link going to the container(s)...

      I would imagine that link *could* be cheaper than land cost in some places. Plus you never really have to worry about hurricanes or earthquakes wrecking your equipment.

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    4. Re:Huh? by Nutria · · Score: 1

      There are earthquakes in the ocean, and anchors cut cables on a distressingly regular basis.

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    5. Re:Huh? by Kyont · · Score: 4, Funny

      But this is a sunk cost.

      Even so, on this whole investment, they must be... underwater.

      The project is probably run by someone young, who is still... wet behind the ears.

      Sorry. I'm just... fishing for karma. I'll say goodbye now... *waves*

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    6. Re:Huh? by vandamme · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but why not just run a pipe into the ocean to suck up some coolant?

  10. Cooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    One of the major costs of running a data center is keeping it cool. It's always cool (relatively speaking) underwater. You could pump sea water to a land-based data center, but that requires pumps, pipes, etc that need maintenance and extra power.

    1. Re:Cooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when are pipes more expensive than other pipes containing fiber + power?

      The radiators in the video look pretty small, an home heating radiator with some marine paint, mounted on standoff and connected with a couple of pipes could do the same.

  11. Spongebob and Patrick - sysadmins! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What could possibly go wrong?

  12. From global warming to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...sea warming. In a few decades time we'll be surprised by the mysterious rise in temperature of the oceans. Who is the genius who suggested to put a heater like a data centre in open waters????

  13. Update - Mimcrosoft Video by judgecorp · · Score: 3, Informative

    Microsoft has put a video on Youtube, and a new blog [post about Natick today. They are both linked from my article. http://www.datacenterdynamics.... The Youtube video is here https://www.youtube.com/watch?... Peter Judge

  14. Old News by Sir+Holo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is really old news. Using deep-ocean installations to nominally negate the costs of cooling in data centers had been around forever.

    And energy-harvesting by use of undersea currents, tidal motions, or hydrothermal vents has been around forever, too. (Geothermal energy, anyone?)

    This article has nothing new, but its author's suggestion that co-locating the 'pod'-type data centers near undersea thermal-emission sites is flat-out stupid. An umbilicus to land, eventually to an internet trunk-line is required. We can pipe around photons and electrons with ease. So why, oh why, was the writer forced to fill column-space with this nit-witted statement?

    There are plenty of reasons to emplace various things at-depth in our oceans, simply for the heat-removal aspect alone. Below 400 m it's all pretty much below -3C. Using service-life maintenance-free modules is a great idea —It is not new.

  15. sea-sharp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This gives a whole new meaing to sea-sharp

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  17. Arrrrggh! by PPH · · Score: 1

    Welcome to Davy Jones BitLocker matey!

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  18. Cooling shouldn't be that hard by wnfJv8eC · · Score: 1

    Really Microsoft can't you figure out a better way to cool a stack of servers? Also the waste heat could be used better, like warming a pond for fish to live in. A mile off shore? What's the point.

  19. Anchors Aweigh by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 2

    We can expect more 'accidental' NSA anchor drops on cables if this ramps up into production.

  20. Digital Ocean did this too! by TylerJWhit · · Score: 0

    On April 1st, 2015 Digital Ocena released a statement to announce their new Atlantis Data Center. They saved up to 36% on cooling, unfortunately the cost of diving brought the price back up.

  21. Insert Surface Joke -- here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The datacenters being manned by humanoids or amphibians?

  22. Cloud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In other news, Farting Under Water Possible.

  23. Re:They've really gone off the deep end this time. by vandamme · · Score: 1

    Windows are a reliability problem, in both undersea vessels and PCs.