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Former Yahoo Employee Challenges the Legality of Yahoo's Ranking System (nytimes.com)

whoever57 writes: A former employee of Yahoo is challenging Yahoo's performance review and termination process. The ranking system was introduced to Yahoo by Ms. Mayer on the recommendation of management consultants McKinsey & Co.. Gregory Anderson, an editor who oversaw Yahoo's autos, homes, shopping, small business and travel sites in Sunnyvale, Calif. is claiming that the ranking and termination process was flawed to the extent that the terminations were not based on performance and hence constitute mass layoffs, which require notice periods under both California and Federal law. He is also alleging gender discrimination, under which women were given preferential treatment over men in the hiring, promotions and layoff processes.

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  1. Clarity in the title might have helped. by halivar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I had to read several sentences in the find out we are talking about some kind of work rank system, not search ranking. You know... it being a search engine company and all.

    1. Re:Clarity in the title might have helped. by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Funny

      You know... it being a search engine company and all.

      A shareholder activist is demanding that Yahoo get rid of its board of directors and sell the search engine to focus the core business on... something else.

    2. Re:Clarity in the title might have helped. by rudy_wayne · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know... it being a search engine company and all.

      A shareholder activist is demanding that Yahoo get rid of its board of directors and sell the search engine to focus the core business on... something else.

      Yahoo hasn't been a search engine company for years. They outsourced that to Microsoft Bing a long time ago.

      Yahoo is essentially Google Lite -- they make all their money from advertising. But, unlike Google, they aren't very good at it.

    3. Re:Clarity in the title might have helped. by rahvin112 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They make decent money, rather consistently actually. But it's not growing very fast. That doesn't meet the hedge funds demands. The hedge funds aren't satisfied with 2% growth, they want 20%. So rather than see 2% they will see the company destroyed. They call these hedge funds "activist investors", but their goal is to squeeze every dime out then sell the stock. The actions they advocate are never good for the long term.

  2. CEOs: what a life! by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The ranking system was introduced to Yahoo by Ms. Mayer on the recommendation of management consultants McKinsey & Co..

    It's great to be a CEO: get paid millions, then use the company's money to bring in consultants to do your own work!

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  3. What works for Jack Welch doesn't always work... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I had a manager who was a big fan of Jack Welch and implemented a policy to fire the bottom 10% every year. Except he didn't hire replacements and the middle soon became the new bottom. The top 10% saw the writing on the wall and vacated for greener fields elsewhere. I was the third of a dozen senior testers who left the company. The manager rode the company all the way into bankruptcy, unwilling to admit that his channeling of Jack Welch was wrong.

  4. Re:What works for Jack Welch doesn't always work.. by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've seen a couple of places do this with a forced bell curve.

    They had pre-defined that you can only have so many at each level, and had to fit -- if you had 10 people, the number at each level was defined by a formula.

    Which meant the ranking system couldn't say "wow, I have a bunch of good people", or "shit, I have a bunch of dullards".

    Morons who manage by arbitrary metric tend to do a lousy job of it. Because apparently reality is a problem for such people.

    I find that style of management pretty pathetic, because it's just drooling idiots blindly following stuff they don't understand, and can't see why it's failing them.

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  5. Department of Education: Discrimination isn't by raymorris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I worked for a state university system I had occasion to read the DOE regulations about discrimination. Colleges are required to file various paperwork about racial and gender statistic of students who apply, students admitted, and students who graduate, to prove that they aren't discriminating. I was a bit surprised to find out that the DOE regulations explicitly state that discrimination against males and caucasians is not discrimination. I wonder of the Department of Labor has a similar rule.

  6. Re:Good luck with that... by herovit · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yeah, except that that's incorrect: http://www.lawfficespace.com/2013/12/yes-white-males-are-protected-class.html.

  7. Re:What works for Jack Welch doesn't always work.. by SwashbucklingCowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's called "stack ranking" and it doesn't work period.

    From an article in Vanity Fair: “Every current and former Microsoft employee I interviewed—every one—cited stack ranking as the most destructive process inside of Microsoft, something that drove out untold numbers of employees,” Eichenwald writes. “If you were on a team of 10 people, you walked in the first day knowing that, no matter how good everyone was, 2 people were going to get a great review, 7 were going to get mediocre reviews, and 1 was going to get a terrible review,” says a former software developer. “It leads to employees focusing on competing with each other rather than competing with other companies.”

  8. Re:It's a start by Cederic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As to the women given preference, considering they're paid less, on average, than men

    The problem is that they're not. Women get paid on average the same as men, once you factor in experience, hours worked and contribution.

    Women under 30 get paid more than men.
    Women in part times roles get paid more per hour than men in part time roles.

    Women spend most of the household income, even where it's earned by men.

    Please, do some fucking research before spouting spurious divisive bullshit about gender pay differentials.

  9. Re:it looked so much like layoffs by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It looked so much like layoffs that I thought it was layoffs.

    Well, it does seem pretty obvious they are coming...

    Really, this guy should be thanking Yahoo, not suing them. They've given him a head start over the thousands of other Yahoo employees that'll soon be flooding the marketplace.

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  10. Re:Same way they do things at my employer. by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here's what I say to my kids when they get caught up in some kind of Internet jihad: there are 30000 tons of brussels sprouts produced in the USA every year (7500 acres planted x 8000 pounds/acre typical yield). So clearly some people like brussels sprouts, peculiar as that is. If you take a large enough group of people you can find exemplars for any behavior, preference and outcome you need to "prove" any point (e.g., "brussels sprouts are yummy"). Everything that Gamergaters say about feminists is true -- of somebody, somewhere. It proves nothing about what a typical feminist is like.

    To get at the truth you need to do two things: (1) find aggregate data which tells you whether your generalization has even a chance of being true; the disaggregate that data to find the kernel of truth that makes your over-generalization feel convincing. It's bound to be true of some people, and that's where you need to focus your attention.

    So lets take the notion that white males are discriminated against educationally. The aggregate data clearly shows this is not generally true. For males age 25-29, 55% of Asians have a college degree, 37% of whites, 17% of blacks, and 13% of hispanics. In total 31% of males have college degrees and 37% of females. This paints a picture where white males don't get quite as much education as females, but are still in a very strong position compared to their black and hispanic counterparts. Some of the male/female educational disparity may be due to high-paying trade jobs generally being more open to men; if you look at income, the median male income is $860/week vs. $706/week for women.

    So the overall picture is mixed, but for the most part the picture looks relatively rosy from white men in general. But no individual white man is in exactly the position of men in general. It's clear that a lot of white men are in a bad situation now, which they may attribute to benefits going to their hispanic or black neighbors, but in fact those group are in a similar or worse place if you compare hispanics and blacks of similar educational attainment.

    Uniquely in the developed world mortality for American men aged 45-54 has increased; men who should be near the apex of their earning capacity and benefiting from a reduction in smoking and advances in medical treatment of degenerative diseases that start to kick it that age. But if you disaggregate that data you see that it's driven by a massive increase in mortality for men with only a high school education.

    What this tells me is that we have an economic class problem in this country. Some white men look around and think the weight of all those hispanics and blacks are making the boat sink, but the real problem is that the boat has a hole in it.

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