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Our Hidden Neanderthal DNA May Increase Risk of Allergies, Depression (sciencemag.org)
sciencehabit writes: Depressed? Your inner Neanderthal may be to blame. Modern humans met and mated with these archaic people in Europe or Asia about 50,000 years ago, and researchers have long suspected that genes picked up in these trysts might be shaping health and well-being today. Now, a study in the current issue of Science details their impact. It uses a powerful new method for scanning the electronic health records of 28,000 Americans to show that some Neanderthal gene variants today can raise the risk of depression, skin lesions, blood clots, and other disorders.
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"Hey, cover your mouth when you sneeze, you Neandertal!"
it increases your chance of unibrow!
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Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Indeed, it is too late to fix your mistake.
All my liberal friends think I'm a conservative, all my conservative friends think I'm a liberal.
Yes "h" please.
It's not a mistake. The word was coined before the spelling of "thal" (valley) was changed to "tal."
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It's more than that. It's not just food hysteria, there are people who do get incredibly sick from certain foods. Peanut allergies, anyone? These people don't imagine swelling up and clogging their wind pipes.
Until recently, this kind of sickness was unheard of in Europe. There was no such thing as a peanut allergy. Now we got that, too.
We get sicker and sicker. And I wonder why. What is it that lets our bodies go apeshit over food?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
So which candidate is the Neanderthal Caucus going to endorse . . . Bernie or Hillary . . . ?
Trump, Busch, Cruz, Kasich, Rubio . . . ?
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
Well...there are the Neanderthal babes...furry little sex kittens that they are.
Do not repeat the old mistakes, bots!
There's also the fact that until relatively recently people that were deathly allergic to things like peanuts either never had the opportunity to eat peanuts or typically died pretty early due to medical knowledge not being as advanced as it is now.
Cruz, just listen to his campaigngasms...he's going to smote this, carpet bomb that, etc....he's a perfect fit. And Trump bores them.
I did read the article. It's TFS that has the wrong spelling.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
Until recently there were no carefully certified allergy-safe foods, and no ambulances to rush people to the non-existent emergency room where there were no medical procedures to help. People with peanut allergies probably died quickly as children.
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The H is indeed a mistake. The link states clearly that the word originates from the German place Neandertal.
No, it doesn't. The link states that "Tal" used to be spelled "Thal" before the modern German spelling reform, which happened roughly 100 years ago. Since the word was coined in the mid-1800s, it originally had "Thal" in German too.
This got corrupted when used in English long ago and the H was added. The result is eternal confusion about the spelling.
No -- the English used the proper German spelling at the time the word entered English. Then the Germans decided to change their spelling of the word.
Additionally, the German word (with or without "h") was ALWAYS pronounced "tal," as most cases of "th" are in German. (See English words like "Thomas" pronounced "tomas" as well.)
Peanuts were found in the new world, and do not grow in Europe, so there would be no sickness from them until they were heavily imported after the Americas were discovered. After being introduced, many people may have died without it being diagnosed as "peanut allergy". Only recently have we gotten a lot better about keeping people alive who would have quickly died 1 or 2 hundred years ago.
Though I did read an article recently about babies not being exposed to enough 'things' was causing them to be more vulnerable to related things as they grew older, including peanut products.
Are the issues due to neandertal genes or due to two human races mixing together? If we look at cattle, a lot of selective breeding has been done and a lot of races have been created. It turns out that some races have race specific issues. However mixing two races can create new problems not present in any of the parent races. For some reason genes aren't always 50% abilities from each parent, but rather effects of combos.
Somehow I don't think the neandertals living during the ice age were prone to blood clots. The simple reason is that they survived for like 300k years in those conditions, which mean they could not have been fragile. As the arms and legs cools down, the risk of blood clots increase, which mean being prone to those sounds quite bad in a cold environment. Pure speculation could be that neandertals had genes to protect them against restricted blood flow. If so, a blood clot would then not be a major issue to them and a single gene increasing the risk wouldn't be a fatal gene. However with 1-4% (article mentions 1.5% average, not 1-4% spread) it leaves the majority of neandertal genes lost and this gamble could provide us with increased risk, but not the protection.
I don't really like the headline. It smells a bit like "people without neandertal genes are better". Read another article and you can make the headline "people with neandertal genes are better". There is research indicating that modern humans wouldn't have survived in Europe without a specific neandertal gene. Something about ensuring survival to some European disease, food or some other environmental danger. Research into genes and their effects is an interesting field of research and yeah people with different genes aren't 100% alike. Still going down the path of saying that one group is genetically better than some other group of people seems a bit dangerous to me, particularly since the understanding of genes is just the tip of the iceberg and there is no way to make such conclusions.
If you are so superior, why do you feel the need to mock?
When I see a developmentally-disabled person bagging groceries at the super market, I don't start insulting them. I don't go posting on forums about how horrible and inferior they are. At most I just reflect that they are filling an economic need that suits them.
I am pretty sure you do the same. But why only mock black people, and not developmentally-disabled people? My best guess is its because you aren't assured of your superiority over blacks, thus making the possibility of their equality a threat to your fragile ego.
Your behavior is indicative of ignorance and an inferiority complex. This doesn't exactly make you a shining example of the group to which you so proudly claim membership.
Perhaps Neanderthal types just need more sleep. You know the further north you go the longer the nights are and hence evolutionary adoption to longer sleep periods. Not to forget, this whole work to make other people richer ethic is still pretty new evolutionary speaking, this versus hunting the morning for a bit, eating a bunch, snoozing a bit futzing about a bit with you stone tools and weapons in the afternoon, chatting around the fire in the early evening than nookie and sleep pretty early in the night. Wake up with the birds (pre-dawn ie bright sky sun still beyond horizon), rinse, well, no rinse unless the is a pool nearby and repeat, maybe much on some leftovers first, something like a 2 to 4 hour work day. Then a bunch of psychos got greedy and demanded the rest do their work as well and build edifices to worship their superiority because that will publicly torture you to death 'er' 'no wait because they were selected by the Gods, yeah that's right, they were the Gods chosen, so you should worship them and call them royalty. Perhaps it is not the genes on their own as much as those people did not evolve to become working in poverty slaves and that is an unhealthy life style and super fucking depressing.
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That has probably to do with the fact that in the US most people consume processed foods almost exclusively.
And thanks to radical, free capitalism there are almost no regulations on what kind of shit to put in there, so your food is stuffed with stabilizers, preservatives, flavors, colorants, antibiotics, emulsifying agents, sugar, salt, caffeine, and cojones extract of mutant cows from outer space.
So once your eat normal food from mother nature, your immune system goes bonkers. If it doesn't contain any of those chemicals you're used to, it must be poison!
It's more than that. It's not just food hysteria, there are people who do get incredibly sick from certain foods. Peanut allergies, anyone? These people don't imagine swelling up and clogging their wind pipes.
Until recently, this kind of sickness was unheard of in Europe. There was no such thing as a peanut allergy. Now we got that, too.
We get sicker and sicker. And I wonder why. What is it that lets our bodies go apeshit over food?
My cousin and his father(uncle via marriage) both have severe(anaphylactic) peanut allergies. the son was born in 1968. the father in the 40's.
I was born in the 70's and i have a severe(anaphylactic) reaction to sheep meat. My mother severe reaction to strawberries... i know plenty of other people with them too, all from my age range but also older and younger.
"Example: In some cultures, insects are a tasty snack. In America, "ZOMG, time to sue someone a cricket is in my soup!"
I have tried these, and they're actually pretty good. Also carried at Whole Paycheck.
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I suspect the "An idle immune system is the Devil's workshop" theory. All this crazy-clean germicidal-everything living in a Lysol bubble has left our immune systems with nothing to do but cultivate paranoia.
This is quite humorous! Americans eat raw meat. The dish you describe we call "Steak Tartare" - so it appears French attribute raw beef to Americans and Americans attribute it to the french.
And, what we call French fries are Belgian, so I am told.
Man, you really need that seminar!
"so Neandertals are part of our evolution"
No, they aren't.
"not a separate evolutionary path."
Yes, they are.
Review your sources.
You are basically right, but you made the jump too fast in the timeline ...
Theory has it that hunters and gatherers were egalitarians, with each member doing his share, and no real hierarchy. The work day was like you said.
But then, humans moved from hunting/gathering subsistence, to farming. Farming led to villages, and villages led to towns, and towns led to a division of labor, and that led to social stratification, with the priests and kings at the top, aristocracy next, merchants next, and then the laborers ...
And that is what led to feudalism, and now the same is happening with corporatism.
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There may be some upsides to their DNA that we don't yet know about. Diseases and extreme problems are better understood because that's what medical experts are expected to focus on. But there could also be some nice traits we picked up from them such that they counter the negative traits enough to survive in our genome.
And the down-sides of them may only show up in some people. That is, they depend on combinations of other genes to manifest themselves.
Table-ized A.I.
Erh... with "recently" I mean "until the last decade or two", not "until the last century or two".
The older ones here might remember that we could tell the signs of allergies even in the last century.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
What keeps me happy is that I do remember from history class how feudalism was dealt with in the end.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
My cousin and his father(uncle via marriage)
This must be in the Appalachians.
Add duck and dawn to that, which is longer as well, you get very short nights.
On the other hand, you get very long ducks.
This is quite humorous! Americans eat raw meat.
Yes, but only beef. Never pork, lamb, goat, horse or any other meats. Certainly not poultry, as the US seems to be able to keep salmonella out of their poultry production. (Which is why Spaghetti Carbonara is almost never made with raw eggs in the US, and don't get me started on the atrocity called egg nogg over here),
And most Americans would never venture past beef, pork, chicken and turkey anyhow. Sometimes fish, if it's breaded thickly enough, fried, and with enough lemon on it that you couldn't tell it from tofu.
*I* know no such thing. I know that the nights are longer in Winter, but *shorter* in Summer.
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No but Africans are far more genetically diverse, so you can't generalise as easily about them as a group. That diversity just implies a wider spread of capabilities, if anything at all, and it says nothing about the reproductive fitness value of any given characteristic.
As far as evolution is concerned only fecundity matters, and everything above your hips is there acting in a support role to your gonads.
You realize that today even the poorest of the poor live like kings compared to Neanderthals? What were gay rights like under Neanderthal rule? How about women's liberation? Yeah, that's what I thought. Another left-wing fanatic who who won't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Or is our diagnostics getting better and we've more variety than we've had in the past?
I'm still scrolling down through the thread. I wonder if anyone will be *seriously* blaming inoculations, fluoride, or antibiotics. I'd not be surprised.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
I'd hoped I'd find you in this thread.
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"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Is that anything like Saigon beef salad or Beef Carpacio?
Americans eat raw beef from a variety of cuisines.
The American version is 'Steak, extra rare.' Which basically means 'Heat the meat to the body temperature of a live cow, then shine a flashlight on both sides and call it cooked'.
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Any single egg has small chances of having Salmonella. It's only at industrial scale, when they are cracking a gross of eggs at a time to make stuff that it's a problem. Especially as that sauce is sure to sit. Even there you weren't likely to get sick.
Not sure about where you live, so YMMV.
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Except peanuts aren't nuts. From a scientific POV the archaic term "goober peas" is more accurate.
Lots of things have warnings that they may contain nuts. This is due to potential cross-contamination during processing.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
What it clearly states is that either spelling is permissible, so just fuck off.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
In Soviet Russia, "Neandertal" has a tiny little bit of "Homo sapiens" in him.
Free, as in your money being freed from the confines of your account.
genes picked up in these trysts
I've recently read a couple of more popular articles on Neanderthals (including on Wikipedia). All seem to allude that there was some happy-go-lucky "free love" get-togethers, or intermarriage, with the "other" neighbors way back when.
The Wikipedia article however also states: "While modern humans share some nuclear DNA with the extinct Neanderthals, the two species do not share any mitochondrial DNA,[54] which in primates is always maternally transmitted."
Or, translated to more modern hominid: The genetics indicate that H. sapiens do not have female H. neanderthalensis ancestors, only male ones.
I wasn't there to know exactly what happened, but it does narrow the possibilities a bit, doesn't it...
Free, as in your money being freed from the confines of your account.
Also once you stop eating raw meat and develop sanitary sewers, parasitism goes down. This is mostly good, but parasites tend to release immunosuppressants. So, no worms chewing your organs, but your immune system is more active and cranky than the wild-type that you evolved with would have ended up at with all the worms. So you see more auto-immune disorders than the folks eating raw chickens standing in pig excrement. On the plus side you get to live long enough to die of cancer instead of infection.
Long duck dawn?*
Darn it, now I've got to go watch a John Hughes movie.
*Yeah, I know that's not *quite* how he put it.
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Now that is a whole other question. Do we or do we not have the right to live like free Neanderthals, to live off the land as we choose and see fit. So royalty gets to choose and well, the rest of us either get killed or put in a cage should we attempt to engage in what is our natural born right. I mean you really do get the difference don't you or do you just consider the rest of us animals and you are the only true person. You seemed to have confused a neutral some what satirical anarchistic libertarian statement with something else based around your own personal greed.
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