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A New Technique Makes GPS Accurate To An Inch (gizmodo.com)

A team from the University of California, Riverside, has developed a technique that augments regular GPS data with on-board inertial measurements from a sensor. Actually, that's been tried before, but in the past it's required large computers to combine the two data streams, rendering it ineffective for use in cars or mobile devices. Instead what the University of California team has done is create a set of new algorithms which, it claims, reduce the complexity of the calculation by several orders of magnitude. In turn, that allows GPS systems in a mobile device to calculate position with an accuracy of just an inch.

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  1. This could be really useful for docks and ferries by mikael · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One of the most time consuming parts of a short journey is getting the passenger doors aligned with the port-side gangways. Unlike airports, it's not the gangways that move to the plane, it's the vessel that must align with the portside. Sometimes the portside gangway can move up or down, but many times, the crew have to tie down these mini gangways with ropes when the tides and ballast tanks aren't enough. It takes several minutes of maneuvering to get the ship aligned with the dockside, sometimes even having to reverse and try again, especially in heavy swells. If they could get GPS down to several inches, combined with the sideways movement that many catamarans have, docking could be done automatically.

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  2. Encrypted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Given that we can now use GPS to great accuracy. Does this mean that the US military no longer needs to encrypt the end of the GPS signal? After all, the military has always been able to use GPS for very precise location, whereas civilians had to put up with very coarse location.

    1. Re:Encrypted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine the amount of car accidents that may occur if encryption is suddenly enabled - or if someone messes up the GPS system.

    2. Re:Encrypted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is incorrect. President Clinton removed selective availability from GPS. That is why we have the location boom today. We are at as accurate a position as we can be with the GPS reception. This happened in 2000. There are other forms of signal degradation that are available. SA is not an issue anymore. I am a professional land surveyor. Multi-pathing is currently your greatest hurdle to overcoming highly accurate positioning. That unfortunately, requires fairly complex calculations to remove it properly. Even with my highly accurate receivers, I have to remove multi-pathing manually sometimes. Reflection is a harsh mistress.

    3. Re:Encrypted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Selective Availability was turned off in 2000. Higher end civilian GPS can be quite accurate.

      http://www.gps.gov/systems/gps/modernization/sa/

    4. Re:Encrypted by nunokjpg · · Score: 2

      Like others have said, there is no Civilian degradation on purpose anymore. That was the SA system, that is off for several years and is not coming back at least because it is no longer a effective defense against foreign military parties. The only thing the Encrypted GPS code provides is AS (anti-spoofing). If used this avoids things like Iran taking control of your baby drone.

    5. Re:Encrypted by russotto · · Score: 3, Informative

      The P(Y) code offers a couple of advantages besides anti-spoof

      1) Faster code rate for more precise positioning, also offered by the newer civilian signals (L1C, L2C, and L5)

      2) It exists on both L1 and L2, allowing the receiver to more accurately model the atmospheric delay terms, reducing that source of error. This is also provided by the L2C and L5 signals, but not all satellites yet transmit them.

    6. Re:Encrypted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      President Clinton removed selective availability from GPS.

      Which wasn't that big a deal as it sounds. SA was already made moot by ground based towers.
      Civilian GPS units started to use those to boost the accuracy of GPS, and if SA had been turned on again, it would have made little difference on those units.

    7. Re:Encrypted by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Informative

      I am a professional land surveyor.

      You're a moron with no clue what you're talking about.
       

      President Clinton removed selective availability from GPS. That is why we have the location boom today. We are at as accurate a position as we can be with the GPS reception.

      President Clinton turned off Selective Availability on the C/A (coarse acquisition) signal. The more accurate P(Y) (precision location) signal used by the military is still encrypted.

    8. Re:Encrypted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surveying can use carrier phase tracking in specially designed receivers. This gives a 2mm accuracy, compared to 3000mm for C/A and 300mm for P(Y). Odd he didn't mention that.

      P(Y) has a similar accuracy to the new civilian signals btw (L2C L5 L1C).

    9. Re:Encrypted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am a professional land surveyor.

      You're a moron with no clue what you're talking about.

       

      President Clinton removed selective availability from GPS. That is why we have the location boom today. We are at as accurate a position as we can be with the GPS reception.

      President Clinton turned off Selective Availability on the C/A (coarse acquisition) signal. The more accurate P(Y) (precision location) signal used by the military is still encrypted.

      The P(Y) signal doesn't have more accurate location. As clearly explained in the wikipedia link you yourself provided.

      Idiot.

    10. Re:Encrypted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The encryption option still exists, as it was built into the system from the start. Typically, encryption is turned on when an individual satellite is within view of the horizon of an area where the US military wants to deny use of GPS to enemies. The control center in Colorado Springs automatically instructs satellites in view of these designated areas to encrypt their signals for that part of their orbits. Obviously, this feature is never used while GPS satellites are passing withing view of the United States so most civilians don't know about this feature of the GPS.

    11. Re:Encrypted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The more accurate P(Y) (precision location) signal used by the military is still encrypted.

      If new algorithms using inertial positioning combined with the coarse GPS signal can approximate the same results as the high precision signal then hasn't technology made encryption of the P(Y) signal moot?

    12. Re:Encrypted by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Which is fine. Most any warzone where they'd turn on SA wouldn't have those towers anyway. And if they did, they wouldn't have them very long.

  3. This is cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess. first?

  4. Re:This could be really useful for docks and ferri by Calydor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Couldn't the same level of 'automatic' be achieved with image recognition cameras at the doors, or other sensors to achieve the same result?

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  5. Robots will be first in line to use this by mykepredko · · Score: 1

    I'm sure there will be a lot of obvious applications for this technology, but I can see robotics being a big one.

    GPS hasn't been practical for robotics but with this level of accuracy, I wouldn't be surprised to many robotic applications currently being done by humans.

    It would be interesting to see how the algorithm keeps its accuracy over time and distance.

    1. Re:Robots will be first in line to use this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good thing now drones can finally know where they are, how fast they are going and their elevation. Must of been pure hell not knowing any of this previously. Can't wait to use this indoors in the multitue of robotics applications where localization is such a thing!

    2. Re:Robots will be first in line to use this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except GPS seldom works indoors. You need SLAM algorithms and multiple sensors for interior navigation/mapping. That will also benefit from autonomous CV based object avoidance.

    3. Re:Robots will be first in line to use this by skids · · Score: 1

      If the new algorithm also helps indoor positioning enough to be accurate over a decent sized floorplan, it could be useful for indoor wifi surveys when deploying or upgrading enterprise networks. Last time I looked there still was not a product that didn't require manual entry of your position on a map during a survey, which is error prone and drives up manpower costs. Eventually WiFi clients could be extended to report back position information to the network so dead spots could be eliminated without a survey.

  6. Meanwhile by dhaen · · Score: 1

    The rest of the world gets it "accurate to a centimetre".

    1. Re:Meanwhile by mykepredko · · Score: 4, Funny

      No it's not; for the rest of the world it's accurate to 2.54cm.

    2. Re: Meanwhile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      In fact, the paper's abstract says "centimeter-level positioning estimation accuracy can be achieved"...

    3. Re:Meanwhile by dhaen · · Score: 1

      I know the conversion, we're just more precise.

    4. Re:Meanwhile by alexhs · · Score: 2

      Last year we had 2-cm accuracy. Now it's been improved to 1-in accuracy.
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    5. Re: Meanwhile by dhaen · · Score: 1

      You are absolutely right (and so was I - by chance). I really should have read TFA.

    6. Re: Meanwhile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? Are you new here?

  7. Meanwhile in reality... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...nobody actually uses GPS for anything life-critical requiring accuracy, because signals can be jammed/spoofed, and sometimes the calculation is off due to reflections or satellites behaving not as expected.

    And by "nobody", I except the military, but nobody notices when they miss their target.

    1. Re:Meanwhile in reality... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I beg to differ - car makers like Tesla are looking into using high resolution GPS for self-driving cars. At least they use it when they create the maps.

      And as soon as you get roads covered in snow the road markings are no longer visible. Also realize that salt only works in some areas where the temperature usually is around the freezing point, but when it's below -15 to -20 degrees C it's useless to put salt on the roads - and even dangerous.

    2. Re: Meanwhile in reality... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The clouds jam and spoof my signal all the time.

    3. Re:Meanwhile in reality... by Calydor · · Score: 1

      If you have heavy enough snowfall to completely obscure the road, you probably have thick enough clouds that this level of accuracy becomes difficult again.

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    4. Re:Meanwhile in reality... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      That's not the case. There's a timelapse between heavy snow and that snow being cleared out by plows -- in some areas it's faster than others. There's significant populated areas where all roads but one main road are snow-covered for months.

    5. Re:Meanwhile in reality... by Yosho · · Score: 1

      signals can be jammed/spoofed

      In theory, sure. In practice, this never happens; jamming GPS is possible but very obvious, and anybody on the receiving end can tell they're being intentionally jammed and if they're smart will be able to figure out where it's coming from.

      And I'm not aware of anybody ever successfully spoofing GPS in a real-world application, because it's incredibly hard to do. You would have to create an entire constellation of fake satellites targeting a specific receiver and gradually fool it into thinking your fake constellation is "real" so that it would acknowledge them instead of a real one -- and even after that's successful, you still have to do all the math to transmit signals that the target receiver will process in such a way that they can generate a valid fix in the location you desire.

      Nobody uses GPS for anything requiring accuracy simply because it's inaccurate, but there are plenty of life-critical applications that don't require so much accuracy that use it all the time.

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    6. Re:Meanwhile in reality... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Iran claims to have done it.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident

      US of course denys it, but they deny everything so that isn't saying more.

    7. Re: Meanwhile in reality... by thesupraman · · Score: 1

      I can only imagine that you don't realise that GPS is very hit and miss under trees, in deep valleys, near tall buildings, in tunnels parking buildings, etc etc etc.

      This is actually just a cheap inertial navigation supplement to GPS and the Summary is highly misleading (they are not improving absolute location at all just using medium drift inertial combined with GPS to stabilise position not improve it in any absolute way).

      But don't let facts get in the way of fantasy.. Venture capital to the rescue!

    8. Re:Meanwhile in reality... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah and Iran also tried to pass off an unrealistic model plane made of wood as their new stealth fighter. The drone crashed in Iran so of course they could take credit for bringing it down. It helps them stroke their egos and pretend they are an actual threat to the US military. The US military could destroy everything of value in Iran if given the green light from feckless politicians. A full out attack with no regard for non-combatants or damaged infrastructure. Picture a WW2 style attack on Berlin only with better ordinance and faster delivery methods. If you have to go to war it is better to go all out than pussy foot around with minor strikes here or there that might kill a few people but certainly won't end the conflict. The terrorists use the silly ROE forced on the military. They just embed themselves in the local non-combatant residents and are safe.

    9. Re: Meanwhile in reality... by gordguide · · Score: 1

      I can only imagine that you don't realise that GPS is very hit and miss under trees, in deep valleys, near tall buildings, in tunnels parking buildings, etc etc etc.

      This is actually just a cheap inertial navigation supplement to GPS and the Summary is highly misleading (they are not improving absolute location at all just using medium drift inertial combined with GPS to stabilise position not improve it in any absolute way).

      But don't let facts get in the way of fantasy.. Venture capital to the rescue!

      I have a generation-older Garmin GPS that tracks inside buildings ... I can get a lock inside my apartment or in the hallway, and walk down the hall of my apartment (no visible windows) and not lose lock or track. The building is in an area surrounded by trees taller than the peak of the 2-story 64 room unit. There are no supplemental ground stations in the area.

      I do know it's possible to get poor reception in a GPS receiver, but in case you were unaware, it's also possible to get excellent coverage in difficult surroundings.

    10. Re:Meanwhile in reality... by gordguide · · Score: 1

      I have no experience or knowledge of this stealth fighter you speak of. But I do know that plywood as used on aircraft construction has excellent stealth characteristics. Incidentally, the USAF and Northrop-Grumann are both well aware of this.

    11. Re: Meanwhile in reality... by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 1

      Then there is every time an airplane uses GPS to find where the airport and runway are, i.e.an RNAV approach.

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    12. Re:Meanwhile in reality... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      The UK RAF used a nice airplane called de Havilland The Mosquito (DH-98) during WWII. There's a documentary about its steal characteristics as well as some known data from WWII about it. It's not that stealthy with today's advanced radar but was quite stealthy back in the day. It was used in a bunch of roles - I can't think of any role that it didn't fill, from bombing to ground attack to reconnaissance - when it was not laden with much in the way of armaments it was speedy, nimble, and made it easy for the pilots to just escape - even against the Me-109.

      There's another documentary about the flying wing that was being worked on in WWII. They recreated it and then used it at Boeing's radar testing facility. That was a Horton 229 (Ho-229) and I believe that at least two of them are known to have flown. Of the wooden planes in use in WWII, I find this one the most curious but not my favorite. The DH-98 would be my favorite of the RAF's wooden planes.

      IIRC the DH-98 had a lot less metal in it than the Ho-229 but the Ho-229 did use some sort of resin impregnated plywood and I think it even used some balsa wood in there. But, it had a bit more metal than the DH-98. The DH-98 was scoffed at, at first, but was allowed to proceed simply because it wasn't going to be using a lot of the resources that would have gone to other planes - wood was not a very scarce resource.

      But, that's not the only wooden plane that Germany had during WWII.

      It turns out that the DH-98 was one the better planes during the entire conflict and was what partially influenced the creation of the Focke-Wulf (Ta-154) Moskito. The Germans wanted something similar or equivalent to the DH-98 and so the Ta-154 was born and made from some sort of plywood as well as the Ho-229. I am not completely sure if any of them flew in any combat missions. I know that it was in prototype stage at the end of the war but a number of non-standard planes were used, very briefly, as Germany's resources dwindled. So, they may have had more prototypes than we found and they may well have been used - even if not against the West but to defend against the onslaught from the USSR.

      Hmm... Actually, you can find more out about it here:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Hmm... Yeah, looks like my memory's not that bad. They mention that there was a 37% reduction in radar signal or some such. I don't recall exact numbers but they were in the documentary. I do not think it was one done for NOVA but I think I recall seeing the older Military Channel logo on the pirated copy that I watched.

      I should also add, I'm not looking the others up. I'm too lazy for that. I watch documentaries for fun and am not an actual historian nor am I really an airplane buff. If asked, I'd probably say my favorite plane from that era would be the B-17G. The Spitfire and Mustang were also very nice but aren't my favorites. I much prefer the Corsair to either of those two. I'm not overly fond of anything from Japan or Italy. Italy did have a number of planes with three engines so they do have a novelty aspect. From the Red Army Air Force I like the Ilyushin Il-10 and I hold a warm place in my heart for the MiG-1. It looks a bit ugly, almost ill proportioned, but I understand that it was both difficult to fly and master but, once that skill was honed, they became very capable. In typical USSR fashion, they were put together quick, cheap, and easy. They were not the greatest but they were still able to be used to do the job just fine. Quantity is a quality all its own, and all that.

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  8. Re:This could be really useful for docks and ferri by zm · · Score: 5, Funny

    Couldn't the same level of 'automatic' be achieved with image recognition cameras at the doors, or other sensors to achieve the same result?

    Why would you want to do it in a simple way?

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  9. Source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=7349142

    1. Re:Source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh noes! Won't some valiant dogooger save us from the dreaded paywall.

  10. Routing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does this mean I can be more accurate when I drive my car into a canal because the bridge that was plotted on the map was washed out? Does this make me more accurate when the routing software takes me from Atlanta to Memphis by way of Seattle?

  11. Signal by ledow · · Score: 1

    Accurate GPS is good.

    But I'd really much prefer a GPS that can work indoors, in cities with tall buildings, near hills and mountains etc.

    That seems to have much more uses than getting something from a handful of inches down to fractions of an inch.

    My car and phone sometimes get confused about precisely where I am and which turn-off I've taken. And in Belgium (where there are a LOT of underground roads), it barely works at all - by the time it locks on, I've had to go down another tunnel. In Central London, it can lose accuracy just at critical points. But everywhere else it's okay.

    Improve the reception and time-to-first-fix. Then worry about sub-meter accuracy. Nobody really uses it for that level of accuracy anyway.

    1. Re:Signal by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, I know what you mean. I left my home in upstate NY to buy a chalupa at the Taco Bell down the street and ended up in Nova Scotia...

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    2. Re:Signal by NEDHead · · Score: 1

      Regarding indoor use: In my home I have erected walls around each room with well defined travel ways identifiable both by visual and tactile means to transition from one room to another. In addition I have labeled each of the designated sleep areas with the appropriate occupant identity. To date this system has proven adequate.

    3. Re:Signal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is where an inertial system would be useful. Over short timescales it's innately very accurate.

    4. Re: Signal by thesupraman · · Score: 1

      No. No it's not. The inertial sensors tend to have quite high noise and drift.. And as you need to integrate their signals the error becomes very large very fast. The error levels in silicon sensors makes them of marginal value for inertial sensing for any long term so they require GPS to actually localise them.

    5. Re:Signal by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Actually, more than cities w/ tall buildings, I'd like it if GPS could - if one is in a multi-level parking lot, say at a mall, detect which level the car is in. Of course, that's unlikely, given the penetration needed within.

    6. Re:Signal by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Don't you look at the road, and check for border crossings? Particularly an international border crossing that you'd have to pass to end up in Nova Scotia?

    7. Re:Signal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      put up your own damned satellites if you want better

      nobody cares about your backwater nation

      it you want better gps then fund your better gps

      if your euro gps sucks then do the job right and dont rely on the u.s. and take some initiative for once instead of riding our coattails

    8. Re:Signal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not too many border crossings in the ocean...

    9. Re:Signal by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Before getting there, one would have to enter New Brunswick from the US - be it NY, VT, NH or ME. One can't get to the ocean before crossing the US-Canada LAND border, where there is bound to be border posts.

  12. Re: This could be really useful for docks and ferr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exactly... Sharks use lasers to line up their targets, why can't boats? Infra red seems too short range and old school or alignment applications.

  13. Three Letter Agency response? by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1

    I wonder how the Three Letter Agencies will respond to this? Military GPS has always had access to more accurate coordinates, now anyone can have it? Someone in Maryland is shitting bricks.

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    1. Re:Three Letter Agency response? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not once they realize that it comes from UC-Riverside.

    2. Re:Three Letter Agency response? by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      They won't care. GPS is already more accurate than it needs to be for any conceivable military usage.

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  14. Misleading Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Centimeter scale GPS is not new technology. Real-Time Kinematic (RTK) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Time_Kinematic provide such accuracy, but require a base-station broadcasting local corrections. These services are usually pretty pricey.

    The linked article describes an improvement in reducing the computational complexity of making the RTK calculations, but does not, in itself, make GPS accurate to within an inch.

    1. Re:Misleading Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it seemed to indicate the use of an IPS and an accurate initial position to eliminate the need for a base station in computing RTK, and a new algorithm reducing the computational complexity of this IPS-corrected RTK.

  15. Save money by ChrisMaple · · Score: 0

    Now you won't have to hire a surveyor to find out where the edge of your property is.

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    1. Re:Save money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that the city officials might require you to hire the surveyor anyway for the dispute process. The situation is the same with all the other self-measuring devices, which might be accurate enough but the information can't directly be used in a legally bounding administrative process, but only to suggest where that one needs to look more closely.

    2. Re:Save money by Albanach · · Score: 1

      Now you won't have to hire a surveyor to find out where the edge of your property is.

      That would require your property boundaries to be described in coordinates, rather than beginning at the iron pin 20 feet east south east from the largest oak tree; thence northwest 1 furlong until the stone wall bounding farmer Jones' land. More accurate GPS isn't really going to help you interpret something like this. At least the US doesn't have to deal with issues like changes to the length of a furlong made by Queen Elizabeth I.

    3. Re:Save money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work in the mapping field and deal with property descriptions on a daily basis. Of the 20k plus descriptions/surveys I've seen in my time I believe ONE contained GPS coordinates and I have no idea of the accuracy of the equipment they were using. Even assuming your property description was a good one (described in degrees/minutes/seconds/distance, and not containing errors) from a recognized corner post (in my area at least land is generally described from one or more of 10 physical monuments at the major corners of a roughly mile by mile square) most areas don't require that the corner posts themselves be GPS positioned and even in those areas that are beginning to do so most don't require the coordinates be more accurate than a foot. While that might work for some people I've seen others quibble over a few inches. Its going to be a LONG time before even a majority of properties can be resolved using GPS and that assumes a decent effort towards that end (requiring surveyors provide GPS coordinates, encouraging thorough title searches, and requiring recording all of that information in a permanent, publicly accessible record), which I have yet to encounter.

    4. Re:Save money by Teun · · Score: 1

      Yeah right, the US has it's own odd measurement, the US survey mile:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mile#US_survey_mile

      Speaking about odd, what about feet, inches and yards?
      ;)

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    5. Re:Save money by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      How would you deal with continental drift? North America and Eurasia are moving apart by 2.5 cm per year.

      At the very least this could be used to tare or zero the readings from a local survey monument.

      Whats funny is the inch is officially defined as 25.4 mm. Dual scale measuring tape confirms this at multiples, as does using a unit converter

    6. Re:Save money by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      No, sadly it's not even that nice. The State Plane Coordinate System uses "feet" and by feet I mean either the "International Foot" which is defined as .3048 meters or the "U.S. Survey Foot" which is 1200/3937 meters. Sadly both are still in use today.

      http://vterrain.org/Projection...

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  16. Galileo is centimeter accurate by stimpleton · · Score: 0

    When we reference "GPS", we primarily reference the US system.

    Galileo is a European civilian system, and once all 30 satellites are in orbit it will be centimeter accurate by default, with no accuracy degradation at the whim of US military.

    The bad news is the US is not happy. And had threatened jamming and shooting down the satellites in time of conflict. For the US this is perpetual or course. Should be interesting as the system is scheduled to be fully operational by 2020.

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    1. Re:Galileo is centimeter accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Galileo is a European civilian system, and once all 30 satellites are in orbit it will be centimeter accurate by default, with no accuracy degradation at the whim of US military.

      Degradation is no longer part of the US system. The US system is simply stuck with legacy technology because they were the first to do it.

      > The bad news is the US is not happy. And had threatened jamming and shooting down the satellites in time of conflict. For the US this is perpetual or course. Should be interesting as the system is scheduled to be fully operational by 2020.

      All countries with anti-satalite technology have stated this and this is in fact standard doctrine, in principle, for all militaries. It has nothing to do with the US.

      You should probably take your anti-US rhetoric elsewhere. Or at least bother to be truthful when you push rhetoric in the future.

    2. Re:Galileo is centimeter accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All countries with anti-satalite technology have stated this and this is in fact standard doctrine, in principle, for all militaries. It has nothing to do with the US.

      You should probably take your anti-US rhetoric elsewhere. Or at least bother to be truthful when you push rhetoric in the future.

      Oh come on, the US is openly stating to violate UN agreements of non-militarisation of space, so it is not outlandish to criticise them for their warmongering.

    3. Re:Galileo is centimeter accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when has any body given a shit about UN agreements, proclamations, and the plethora of non-binding resolutions they regurgitate on a daily basis? If war breaks out every participant with the capabilities will be gunning to degrade their enemies satellite communications. And when exactly has the US openly stated they were militarizing space? Have they put weapon platforms in orbit? Wouldn't it be great if Trump bought the real estate currently occupied by the UN and then promptly evicted the tenants so the entire building could be converted into another Trump tower?

    4. Re:Galileo is centimeter accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Galileo is a European civilian system, and once all 30 satellites are in orbit it will be centimeter accurate by default, with no accuracy degradation at the whim of US military.

      Actually it's 1m accurate by default, you have to pay fees to get the 1cm accurate service. [wikipedia]
      So with this new paper it seems GPS is the better free service.

      The bad news is the US is not happy. And had threatened jamming and shooting down the satellites in time of conflict.

      The US was unhappy in late 2001 (wonder why?) when Galileo planned to use a frequency close enough to GPS that one could not be jammed without jamming the other. The compromise reached (a decade ago) was to use a different frequency.

  17. In related news... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Funny

    In turn, that allows GPS systems in a mobile device to calculate position with an accuracy of just an inch.

    Dick measuring goes high-tech.

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    1. Re:In related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thought of having to measure my penis with the help of multiple satellites makes me happy.

    2. Re:In related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you need GPS at 1-inch accuracy to measure your penis, I've got bad news for you...

    3. Re:In related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only a whale would measure its penis with a meter resolution measurement system. Despicable!

    4. Re:In related news... by wkwilley2 · · Score: 1

      *BEEP* "Coordinate not found"

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  18. CM Level Accuracy by labnet · · Score: 1

    So can I blame Jamie Condliffe for taking an IEEE article in metric and converting to imperial?
    After all, Gizmodo is a tech lite site; so you think they would want to culturally lead the way in dropping a unit of measure that no other country uses anymore.

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    1. Re:CM Level Accuracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If anything, you'd think on a tech site that people would be smart enough to understand conversions. Perhaps that thinking is misplaced...

    2. Re:CM Level Accuracy by Teun · · Score: 1

      No other country? Don't downplay Myamar and Liberia!

      http://www.zmescience.com/othe...

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    3. Re:CM Level Accuracy by WoOS · · Score: 1

      That's why you should read the real article and not the bad copy gizmodo created.

    4. Re: CM Level Accuracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ascii graphs get me hard. Just not here.

  19. How? by Mirar · · Score: 1

    The accelerometers on the phone are usually not that good, at all. "A mobile device" yes, but that's nothing new - the sensor fusion technology is old (kalman).
    Anyone that figured out what the new part is?

  20. Re:This could be really useful for docks and ferri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Way easier with just direction lasers and alignment sensors.

  21. Re:This could be really useful for docks and ferri by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    Why try to maneuver the huge vessel? A simple floating bridge with gangways manually controlled like they do with airbridges for the airplanes is even more simple. Given the mass and inertia of the ships, throwing a couple of thick ropes and tightening them automatically will adjust the floating bridge gangway to the ship.

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  22. Using differential GPS was known in the 80s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It has been known ever since GPS has existed.

    The only problem was the amount of hyperbolic trigonometry it required.

    And since the military level of precision has been available, down to the inch has been possible.

  23. Concerns by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    From a technical standpoint this is very cool. However, from a privacy/security standpoint, I am legitimately concerned that government could really misuse and abuse something like this.

    1. Re:Concerns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Concerns? Please, now Google can help you get exactly what you want out of that grocery store!

      And Zuckerberg can help you find that exact spot where your friend made that awesome selfie of themselves.

      And the TLA can send you a friendly message whenever you get within 50m of an alleged sexual offender, so you can take precautions and e.g. cover up your family member's eyes while you pass them.

      It's all for your safety-slash-convenience, welcome to the brave new world!

    2. Re:Concerns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think of what the government could do by paying the guy across the street to report your comings and goings could be misused for. And don't ever use credit cards, phones, email, computers, the internet, own a home, pay rent or license a car. It's all data that the government could reallllly misuse someday!

  24. Re:This could be really useful for docks and ferri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They could use differential GPS for that. It has been around for decades. It means there has to be an extra transmitter near the harbor or dock (within a distance of some tens of miles) but that certainly seems doable. It's used for surveying and its accuracy is millimeters, not inches.

  25. Is it really as good as they say? by Garion911 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I used to work at a precision GPS company, on differential GPS. What they would do is have a 'base station' that would stay in a single spot, and average the position from the GPS signal for a period of time. This is because, due to atmospheric interference, the position 'wobbles'.. Once we have an average position, we use that position to come up with correctors to send to the mobile units (via radio modem usually, though other means are possible). This got us to be on par with what this article is claiming.

    I wonder if they account for the 'position wobble' of atmospheric interference. I suspect its possible, as they just pick one position they've received, and use the inertial adjust for the correctors. Not much more work than we were doing.

    (I didnt write any of the algorithms or anything, just shuffled data around to different devices and libraries.)

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    1. Re:Is it really as good as they say? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Ahh, finally you have shown me what to do with my antique Garmin GPS-12s. They have serial ports, and I have ESP-01s and level shifters lying around. DGPS, here I come

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  26. The writing on the wall for pilots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Once GPS attains 1cm accuracy the death knell for commercial pilots will have rung. Another 20 years and this profession will be all but gone.

    1. Re:The writing on the wall for pilots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that the pilots will still work even if the GPS receiver fails...

    2. Re:The writing on the wall for pilots by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      Aircraft already have enough accuracy to land automatically. Below a certain visibility, we're not even allowed to land manually. Pilots are still required to set everything up, but in principle the technology is there.

      The problem is, things fail. Frequently. Short circuits, computer failures, software bugs, mechanical failures, leaks, etcetera. You should see a crew in action during a simulator training session, and you'd be immediately convinced that we're nowhere near fully automatic airplanes no matter how sophisticated the automation has become. The positioning part is not what's holding us back, in fact that's the easy part that's already been solved long ago.

    3. Re:The writing on the wall for pilots by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      As long as they get paid enough, get enough vacation,...

  27. They probably mean 1 meter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Standard un-augmented theoretiucal limit of accuracy of C/A L1 GPS is 15 meters. Typical accuracy is 30 Meters. Augmented accuracy (with WAAS) can get to 3 meters in theory. But in practice is 10 meters. Use of various extra redundancy maybe just might if you are very very very lucky get you to an augmented (WAAS) accuracy of 3 meters.

    It is a HELL OF A LONG WAY to go from 10 feet to 1 inch. Not even decrypted L2 (Military) in-use accuracy gets anywhere near 1 inch.

  28. Does phone orientation matter? by Nkwe · · Score: 1

    I believe that ship based dead reckoning systems are physically attached to the ship and "up" for the dead reckoning system is always "up" with respect the the physical ship. Same thing for "forward" or "front" (or "fore" if you want to get all nautical). How could this work for a phone that is in some random (and changing) orientation in your pocket?

    1. Re:Does phone orientation matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Phone has a built in compass that is uses to compensate.

    2. Re:Does phone orientation matter? by Nkwe · · Score: 1

      Compass only works when the phone is horizontal.

    3. Re:Does phone orientation matter? by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      Recent models can measure rotations as well as accelerations. The gyroscopes do drift a little bit, but the orientation vector is kept aligned in the long term using average acceleration (gravity), GPS position changes (horizontal speed vector direction), and the built-in compass (not very accurate, but it helps).

      Anyway, I doubt these researchers were using an iPhone, they probably had much better (and more expensive) sensors.

    4. Re:Does phone orientation matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your compass app may need it to be horizontal but the sensor is almost definitely a full 3D magnetic field sensor.
      The info can be combined with the info from the full 3D gravity/acceleration sensor and/or info on the expected direction of the local magnetic field using coarse location from GPS or cell towers.

  29. Re:This could be really useful for docks and ferri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    airplanes on the gruond don't move nearly as much as ships on moving water. Consequently, the gangways are massive fuckers. Not impossible, but not the best of ideas. Simpler would be smart winches dockside that would help reef it in.

  30. Re: This could be really useful for docks and ferr by WarJolt · · Score: 1

    Scanning Lidar will work. Map it first and run some ICP algorithms. Basically you have a GPS pose and a ICP Lidar corrected pose. Highly accurate if you can map the dock well enough.

  31. The Fuck Are You Talking About? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trimble, among others, has made and sold centimeter accurate backpack GPS units for surveying and other uses, since the 1990's. Similarly accurate GPS is available for aircraft and the U.S. government has on board missile GPS that is equally accurate.

    My Galaxy S4($500) is accurate to no more than 3 meters, verified repeatedly. My boat's Garmin GPS($2,000) is accurate within two meters after a trip of 2,000 miles. Aircraft GPS from Garmin $6,000+ 1 meter accuracy. Stab you right in the eye from the other side of the planet accurate GPS is nothing new. It's decades old! But, for that level of accuracy there is a higher price, one that the consumer is unwilling to pay when such accuracy is simply not necessary, when the consumer only needs accuracy within a 20 meters.

    That these guys have come up with a way to increase accuracy, presumably at the same cheap prices we're use to is great. But don't go making absurd claims about such accuracy not previously being possible in sizes small enough to fit in a car. That's been perfectly possible for decades, you just didn't want to pay for it.

    1. Re: The Fuck Are You Talking About? by thesupraman · · Score: 1

      Rotfl.

      It is so funny when you meet someone who believes all the marketing brochures.

      Bolt enough addons to your Camry and out well beat a ferrari also.. Didn't you know. Just add up the marketing numbers.

      No.. You must be right. The marketing brochures are right and the hard physical definitions of the actual system itself are wrong.. Yeah.. That's the ticket.

  32. been doing this for about 20 years by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 1

    I use a usb gps sensor I built around 1998 which simply measured rate of change, connected via CAN to the speedometer and power steering, considered angle travel as well as using a compass/gimble. Certainly, it wasn't real precise, but it worked quite well. I don't think I used more than two hours in matlab to code it.

    As for CPU, it's a 16mhz z80 derivative... no FP.

    1. Re: been doing this for about 20 years by thesupraman · · Score: 1

      So.. You coded something 20 years so in Matlab that runs on a z80?

      Umm. No. Stop making shit up you are just embarrassing yourself.

      Yes. Dead reckoning systems are not complicated.. But have many many issues..

      But you cannot run MATLAB on a z80.

    2. Re: been doing this for about 20 years by Khyber · · Score: 1

      But MATLAB has a Z80 simulator, you fecking moron, but if you actually used MATLAB, you wouldn't have made that stupid remark you just made.

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    3. Re: been doing this for about 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Listen, you are disappointed with your life. All your childhood you were told that you were a smart kid and "gifted". Then you grew up and flunked out of college and have jumped from job to job. It happens to a lot of people. Ultimately you have failed at life. But don't take it out on everyone on Slashdot trying to act like a smart guy. You might have an above average IQ, but you are a failure. Now go away or at least stop putting people down who are obviously your superiors.

  33. Re:This could be really useful for docks and ferri by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

    One of the most time consuming parts of a short journey is getting the passenger doors aligned with the port-side gangways. Unlike airports, it's not the gangways that move to the plane, it's the vessel that must align with the portside. Sometimes the portside gangway can move up or down, but many times, the crew have to tie down these mini gangways with ropes when the tides and ballast tanks aren't enough. It takes several minutes of maneuvering to get the ship aligned with the dockside, sometimes even having to reverse and try again, especially in heavy swells. If they could get GPS down to several inches, combined with the sideways movement that many catamarans have, docking could be done automatically.

    Maybe they'd have better luck with the starboard side.

  34. Re:This could be really useful for docks and ferri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Image recognition isn't exactly simple if you intend for it to work at more than one port.
    Specific coordinates can be easily transferred when assigning a spot. Data for image recognition becomes complicated very quickly.

  35. Already on the market: Xsens MTi-G by Frans+Faase · · Score: 1

    A product with these specifications seems to be already available on the market: MTi-G by Xsens. The technical specifications talk of a resolution of 2.5 cm, which is about an inch. It uses the kind of sensor fusion algorithms described in the article. Xsens is a Fairchild Semiconductor company, an industry icon delivering power solutions for the mobile, industrial, cloud, automotive, lighting, and computing industries. Xsens has offices in Enschede, the Netherlands and Los Angeles, California.

  36. Re: This could be really useful for docks and ferr by ShaunC · · Score: 1

    I never knew Juggalos were so concerned with positioning.

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  37. Re:This could be really useful for docks and ferri by KGIII · · Score: 1

    Compute power is such today that it seems *very* likely they could just have a live video feed and a touch screen. When you're close enough to the dock to see it, you touch where it is on the screen, then just using that pattern the docking can happen automatically from there on out. Obviously there will still be potential to override it and use manual control (often via lateral thrusters). It should be trivial for something like the lasso tool to grab and recognize a gangway.

    And, you know what they say, "Gangway or sickbay!" Err... Maybe you don't know what they say. Anyhow, it'd be pretty easy (I should think) to write a system that holds a temporary gangway image in storage. With a clever hack or two, they could probably even share it by database among various docking ships, the same company, or things like that - they can push it out by cellular protocols or even just radio encoded data. Then anyone will be able to use the images. Storage is cheap, they can just store that image on the device and never have to worry about it again - coupled with GPS then it might actually be possible to get rid of some of the specialist pilots who come out and tell them how to get into the bay, dock, wharf, etc... (A person comes out on a small boat, climbs up the side of the big boat, and then tells them how to avoid obstacles and whatnot - or sometimes actually does the piloting themselves.)

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  38. Re: This could be really useful for docks and ferr by KGIII · · Score: 1

    I'm still convinced the 'net could use a "smack user" button. That was horrible and you should be ashamed of yourself! Why, I ought to...

    I have a niece who's into that thing. She even wears war paint and goes out to festivals and whatnot. I think they call them gatherings. I've met some of them and I've been given the title of "Honorary Juggalo." That's not exactly something I was looking forward to gaining as an accomplishment but, well... It's something and I guess it's good that they have each other.

    They do seem really keen on spending gobs of money for official merchandise. There's seemingly some things that are more rare than others (or they claim it is) and they do a bunch of trading among themselves. They often sport very poorly done tattoos of a hatchet man - except they appear to be carrying a cleaver in the best of cases and an 8 bit goombah in the worst of cases.

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  39. 1 Inch ?? by zwarte+piet · · Score: 1

    Yawn, come back when it's 1cm, then I'm impressed.

    1. Re:1 Inch ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hard to get down to 1cm... mostly because that's the size of the smaller GPS chips. So even if we had that level of accuracy, measuring it would require us arbitrarily assigning a location on the chip that is it's "correct" location.

  40. Sub-centimeter accuracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I already market Sub-centimeter accurate GNSS receivers. I doubt any any math calculation alone can give you that accuracy. You need RTK (real time kinematics) ground station correction which is available now for high end GIS to correct for weather, pressure , atmospheric, and orbital variation on a consistent basis. I would belive maybe sub foot from a handheld device, but not sub inch from GPS math alone.

  41. Don't you mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...25.4mm ?

  42. Banned by the USPTO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This would be great if the USPTO hadn't granted a company called vectornav a patent on using solid state sensors in fusion with a GPS receiver to improve accuracy. Yes there is plenty of prior art. Yes many hobbists/universities have been doing this for long before the patent was filed. I guess we can just hope a company like apple infringes their patent and gets it invalidated. Yay for government monopolies.

  43. Re: This could be really useful for docks and ferr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seattle had some fancy new ferries with some electronics. After destroying multiple docks the manufacturer admitted to the thought it might not be pilot error. Probably because the ferry people had,a really good shot at sending the damn ferries back and getting boocoo damages. Not to mention the really pissed off commuters who had to deal with the busted up docks and schedules. Some of those commuters could buy the ferry system.

  44. WTF is an inch ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WTF is an inch ? Who even uses this old style measurement system any more.

    Does GPS really work in inches ?

  45. Re:This could be really useful for docks and ferri by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    If they could get GPS down to several inches, combined with the sideways movement that many catamarans have, docking could be done automatically.

    That would shift the bottleneck to engine power, and the deliverability of that power. That costs serious coin for any working vessel,

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  46. Accurate or Precise? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely this should say a precision of 1 inch (25.4mm), not accuracy? Let's not get the two mixed up!