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US Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia Has Died (theguardian.com)

clovis writes: US Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia has died in his sleep while on a hunting trip near Marfa, Texas. Justice Scalia was a Constitutional originalist and textualist. He did not believe the Constitution was a living document to be interpreted with the evolving standards of modern times.

I, for one, am very interested to see what happens next.

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  1. Hoax by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

    Netcraft does not confirm it.

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    1. Re: Hoax by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The position has to be filled eventually. Hopefully it's not 9 years in the future. This current congress is more intransigent than any congress we've had and they appear poised to get worse as they continue kicking out moderates (also known as people willing to govern rather than be controlled by ideology).

    2. Re: Hoax by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Republican freedom: Personal liberty for all and no government running your life! Except for abortion, federal funding for abstinence campaigns, strict regulation of broadcast profanity and indecency, criminalisation of pornography and prostitution, a strict war on recreational drugs, frequent government proclamations to make it clear that real americans worship Jesus and heretics are lesser citizens, and taxation to fund continued military buildup and corporate subsidies.

      Democratic freedom: We'll still tax the hell out of you to pay for ill-managed social programs and micro-manage your life to meet our ideology, but at least we'll be honest about it.

    3. Re: Hoax by Rob+Y. · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hillary is not going to jail - that's not even a remote possibility. She may not win the nomination - and yes, batshit like this may be part of why. But Hillary's not under indictment - or even suspicion - of a crime. The FBI is looking into whether any secrets were compromised - not whether stuff that later became classified was sent to HRC via email. The private email server wasn't even against regulations when she was in office. There was a recommendation to only use the government email - but it wasn't codified into a regulation until Kerry got in. And yes, for the zillionth time Powell and Rice both used personal email addresses - and both received emails that were later classified. And neither leaked any classified info to anyone who wasn't supposed to have it. Neither did Hillary. General Patraeus - yep, gave stuff to his journalist girlfriend. That's a crime - not a double standard.

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    4. Re: Hoax by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Informative

      Whoa whoa whoa.

      Firstly, if you have 80% of the money, it's reasonable to expect you to pay 80% of the taxes.

      If you have 40% of the income, it's reasonable to expect you to pay 40% of the income tax (and when you consider even minimal standard deductions to pay over 40%).

      BUT stop for a cotten picken minute saying the poor pay no taxes.

      The average poor person pays the going rate for sales tax, pays 7.5% for social security (15% if self employed), and with gas tax, cigarette tax, car license tax the typical state portion of a poor person's income is roughly 11%.

      The average wealthy person pays roughly .3% of their income in social security and state taxes. It's a little more fair in some states like South Carolina. And that's only for wealthy people who have a salary/wages. Those who live off investment income pay as little as 13% while the poor person next door is losing close to 30% of their income to state,city, and local taxes.

      PLUS- when you break the poor down- you get two groups.

      1) Anyone without children- pays taxes. Even making only $12,000 a year they pay $600 in federal income taxes.

      2) It's the poor people with children that skew the system. They pay no tax and even receive tax credits of up to a couple grand. And who's going to remove the standard exemption for children?

      Heck- just recently (2014) 7,000 people who made a million dollars paid NO FEDERAL INCOME TAX. That's equivalent to 350,000 poor people.

      So stop harping on how the poor pay no federal income tax unless you are going to mention that the wealthy basically pay no state and local taxes. (under 1% of their income).

      Wealthy is top 1.67% in the context of this article. Poor is the bottom 20% in the context of this article.

      Everyone gets a standard deduction of roughly $6,200 and 1 exemption of $3,950. If a person makes under $10,150 then that means they pay no federal income tax. The standard deduction only reduces the tax burden of the poor by 10% (lowest marginal tax rate) $600). The SAME standard deduction lowers federal taxes of everyone in the top tax bracket by roughly $2400 (39.6%).

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  2. What happens next... by mrscott · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What is going to happen next is this: Obama will nominate someone and the Senate Republicans will do everything in their power to block it. Already, Cruz and Rubio have said as much -- that the next President should be the person to make the nomination, not Obama. Obama could nominate Rush Limbaugh and Senate Republicans would object. The only hope that there is for a reasonably speedy confirmation is for moderate -- or reasonable -- Republicans to, you know, do their jobs.

    1. Re:What happens next... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's not even remotely close to what I said and you know it. It doesn't matter who he nominates - they're going to block it. THAT is not doing their job; that is obstructionism.

      I agree with you, and find it reprehensible.

      That said, I'm old enough to have watched this evolve - and it was the Democratic torpedoing of Robert Bork's nomination by President Reagan that started this new era of the opposition party actively attempting to derail the supreme court nominations of the sitting president. I imagine you can go back to the "old days" and find rancorous fights as well; but during my lifetime (1960s onward) pre-Bork nominees were occasionally asked tough questions, but typically were more or less rubber-stamped by Congress because it was seen as a prerogative of the president to pick justices matching his political bent - regardless of who controlled the House and Senate.

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    2. Re:What happens next... by sumdumass · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If congress doesn't recess, Obama cannot appoint any interim justices. This was already hashed out by the supreme court and I seriously doubt they would all the sudden ignore their own ruling and allow an intersession appointment if congress doesn't actually recess.

      The supreme court has functioned with only 8 members before without problems. It can in the future too. In fact, congress may decide that it only needs 8 members and reduce the size or attempt to before the administration is out.

    3. Re:What happens next... by olsmeister · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe that's the way it was pre-Bork (did I really just type that?), or maybe that's just the way you remember it. Regardless, rubber stamping whomever the President nominates is not the way it should ever have been done. Why even bother in that case. The process is there for a reason, it's a part of our checks and balances. Because the appointment is to a very powerful, and lifetime, position it should be part of the checks and balances as much or even more than anything else in our system of government.

    4. Re:What happens next... by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Deadlocking a supreme court for an entire year just to make a point seems a bit silly though.

      Silly seems to be pro forma for this Congress. How many times did they engage in their quixotic attempts to repeal Obamacare?

      In case you're wondering, it was over 60.

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    5. Re:What happens next... by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Funny

      What, a long haired socialist like Jesus on the court? Nonsense, they'd want a proper Christian not some middle eastern immigrant who's soft on crime.

      Of course they're not the party of Lincoln anymore. They were invaded by the racist southern Democrats who were opposed to desegregation. Lincoln's party was the party of the damn yankees interfering in their god given right to keep slaves and beat them regularly.

  3. Scalia, RIP. Leaves a large family and legacy. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm sorry he died. It does look like he lead a long life doing what he loved. He was a lucky man in that regard.

    I disagree with his policies strongly and hope we are able to replace him with a reasonable justice.

    On a sort of unrelated note-- he was only 79! So keep that in mind for your retirement plans. Despite having some of the best health care in the world, most of us are dead by 82. And 98.4% are dead by age 90.

    Try to retire early and take up a second career doing something you love doing. I love doing therapeutic massage for people in pain. I didn't hate being a project manager too much but it was unpleasant with long hours and holiday work and always just a way to make money.

    I thought I'd be drawing and painting more than I have. But reading Splat the Cat says "Sorry" to my grandsons is priceless.

    Scalia leaves behind a wife and nine children (unless some have died). Who knows how many grand children.

    He looks overweight in recent photos. That might be a side effect of medication (ala Jerry Lewis) or it may have been something that contributed to his early death. Keep in mind that puff pastry or extra gravy might cost you a few years with your grand kids. Not to mention change the course of the country.

    I mean wow. ~Ten more months and it might have been a conservative jurist who replaced him. Even with filibustering and so on, I think Obama will seat this one. If the conservatives actually filibuster for 10 months, I think the democrats should filibuster any conservative justice nominee until the end of the term.

    Fun Supreme Court Factoids.

    http://www.supremecourt.gov/fa...

    Quote:
    Has anyone ever served as both President and Chief Justice?

    William Howard Taft is the only person to have served as both President of the United States (1909-1913) and Chief Justice of the United States (1921-1930).

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  4. Could be a cover up. by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 5, Funny

    We will never really know that he was not accidentally shot by Dick Cheney

  5. Re: Nice by Quark · · Score: 5, Informative

    He was asking, from the bench, for the plaintiff's response to an amicus brief. The doesn't mean that he supported what the brief said.

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  6. Re:Way to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Scalia died in his sleep after a day of quail hunting.

    It was long in coming, but in the end, I see the quail got their revenge.

    Do they suspect fowl play?

  7. Not Really a Textualist by Hardhead_7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Textualist" is how Scalia portrayed himself, but if you look at Shelby County vs Holder, where the Supreme Court struck down most of the Voting Rights Act, Scalia's arguments basically came down to the idea that he was a mind-reader about what Congress really wanted to do, but was not politically able to do, never mind the text. Other times, he disregarded the clear intent of the lawmakers in favor of the strict textual reading. But he was hardly consistent. He was a textualist when the text favored him, he ignored it when it didn't. And maybe that's not unique to him - I'm not saying he was unique in that respect, but let's not pretend he was intellectually consistent.

    In the end, he was a Republican justice. Nothing more, nothing less.

    1. Re:Not Really a Textualist by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Informative

      I agree. He claimed to be an original intent guy but frequently ruled by current conservative desires in conflict with the text.

      In reality, Scalia's interpretation of the constitution seemed to be "whatever Scalia wants-- Scalia gets."

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  8. Things to keep in mind by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Scalia was very controversial and much of the left will be likely happy about this. But he was a human being, and by most accounts he was a decent one and a smart one. His best friend on the Court was Ruth Bader Ginsburg who is one of the most liberal justices. We should all take a lesson from them on being civil and friendly even with those we disagree with.

    1. Re:Things to keep in mind by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Consider what the effect of the ruling actually is. It makes it so that police can turn any regular warrant into a no-knock warrant - I mean, they might as well 0.1 seconds for all anyone cares. And even if it's too short, so what? The evidence is all admissible, and otherwise Scalia says that officers will receive such reprimands as issued by the police department... which, you guessed it, is none.

      http://object.cato.org/sites/c...

      https://www.washingtonpost.com...

      And if you don't see a problem with no-knock warrants in general, I would suggest reading about some SWAT horror stories that result from that. And - since you're a Scalia supporter, and hence a purported "originalist" - look up when no-knock warrants first appeared.

  9. Re:Nice by evilviper · · Score: 5, Informative

    He was a racist who didn't believe black people deserved to belong to elite universities

    All he said was accepting people to tougher schools than their academic records justify, to fulfill an affirmative action quota, may be harder on them and less rewarding, in the end.

    It's politically incorrect to say so, and he could have phrased it more carefully, but not at all racist. Everybody jumped at it to make their own political points with their base, knowing full well they were spouting crap. Of course, he still might have been a racist, but that doesn't prove it.

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  10. Re:Way to go by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It was long in coming, but in the end, I see the quail got their revenge.

    These quail were raised in coops, with plenty of human contact, and then released right before the "hunt". They have little fear of humans, and killing them is hardly "sport". He should have just gone to the local animal shelter, adopted some kittens, and then taken them home and drowned them.

  11. The existing docket by tgibson · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are several very important cases coming up for the supreme court, including immigration, abortion, and unions. Any of these Supreme Court decisions that end up tied at 4-4 means that the lower court's decision will stand.

  12. Re:I won't attend the laying in state, but I appro by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He did not believe the Constitution was a living document to be interpreted with the evolving standards of modern times. And he was wrong.

    To the extent that he actually believed what you think he believed, he was right. If you can't muster support for a constitutional amendment, you have no business change the constitution in the name of reinterpretation.

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  13. Re:Good Riddance! by mbkennel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    | What constitutional basics is incorrect or flawed in it?

    Natural born people have rights.

    Corporations are entities which are created by human laws, and given privileges and responsibilities for the purpose of aiding society and economics. There is an economic segregation and legal liability segregation created artificially.

    Therefore, it is proper that legislatures may regulate a corporation's expenditure of money owned by the corporation on political issues as it regulates its expenditure of money for all sorts of other purposes and regulates its tax liability.

  14. Re:What should happen but won't by magarity · · Score: 5, Informative

    Every justice should be apolitical

    The one that just died was famous for digging through the historical records to try to determine what the authors of the Constitution might have thought instead of going by whichever way today's wind is blowing. What exactly do you have in mind when you want 'apolitical'?

  15. Re:What should happen but won't by pem · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He was certainly famous for claiming to do that. The actual doing, not so much in some cases.

  16. Re:What should happen but won't by zieroh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The one that just died was famous for digging through the historical records to try to determine what the authors of the Constitution might have thought instead of going by whichever way today's wind is blowing. What exactly do you have in mind when you want 'apolitical'?

    When it suited his beliefs, yes. Scalia used historical records like a drunk uses a lamppost -- for support, rather than illumination.

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  17. Re: What should happen but won't by wired_parrot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real question i see nobody addressing is this. Why are all liberals so insistent on appointing a new justice before obama is gone?

    Obama has almost a full year until the end of his term. If he were to agree to the argument in delaying his appointment, he'd be agreeing in deferring all major decisions until next year and would set himself up as an early "lame duck" president for a full year.

    The argument might make sense if the vacancy had opened up after the election, but to agree to the Republican's demand now he'd be agreeing that he's lost the authority to make major presidential appointments and decisions for the whole year.

  18. Re:Good Riddance! by mbkennel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What I find unsound is the automatic conflation of corporations with people, when they are distinctly different.

    Since corporations do not have any independent cognitive power or will, but act only that of the human managers, the true underlying question is not about free speech in reality, but whether managers may use corporate finances for overtly political purposes at their discretion.

    I see no reason to suppose this use of finances should not be regulated by legislation the way other uses of finance is regulated.

    Regulation of corporations should be left to legislatures, as they are for all sorts of things which do not apply to human citizens. Why can a legislature compel a corporation to produce certain accounting activities and products to others but doesn't make a person give a balance sheet to others? Is there anything wrong with this? No.

    Here is a quote from the decision: "The First Amendment prohibits Congress from fining or jailing citizens, or associations of citizens, for engaging in political speech, but Austin ’s antidistortion rationale would permit the Government to ban political speech because the speaker is an association with a corporate form."

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/08-205.ZS.html

    This is wrong. What was attempted to be banned is the corporate form paying money from corporate accounts at the direction of corporate management to engage in political speech. It would indeed be wrong if the ban were "spokespeople for public C corporations cannot donate (their own) money or speak at political events", but it is not.

    That corporate form is similarly banned from paying money from corporate accounts at the direction of corporate management to individual's people's pocketbooks when such is against the normal business operations (i.e. embezzlement) expected and interests of shareholders. Nobody has a problem with this restriction on financial freedom.

    It is a linguistic shortcut (saying that 'corporations speak') as if they were aware. It is necessary to be precise about the actual activity: "financial expenditures {including labor rendered with compensation} of a corporate account at the direction of management". Managers of corporations have different responsibilities with money than natural citizens with their own money.

    I would accept single-person S corporations to be functionally equivalent to natural people.

  19. Corporations as people by mbkennel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If corporations are people, then corporations owning corporations, or people owning corporations, must be unconstitutional under the 13th Amendment.

    It is robustly clear that corporations are not people and do not possess Constitutional rights intrinsically, but only such rights and responsibilities granted by legislature.

  20. Re:What should happen but won't by DaHat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Perhaps the biggest "fuck you" Obama could give to the GOP (if McConnell lets this go until the July recess) is to put himself on the bench via recess appointment and resign the Presidency in the same executive order.

    Resigning and having newly sworn in President Biden's first official act is the recess appointment of Obama a far more likely order of events... doubly so when Joe is going to need some good PR when he puts his foot back into the presidential race after Hillary is indicted/loses in order to try to save the party and country from Sanders.

  21. Re: What should happen but won't by Gavagai80 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The longest previous delay in replacing a justice was about a third as long as the time until the next president takes office. It's an insanely horrible precedent to propose keeping the seat vacant for a year and would have permanent negative ramifications.

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  22. Re:What should happen but won't by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you think his picks were moderates you must consider Bernie Sanders a far right fascist!

  23. Re: What should happen but won't by Karlt1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If judges had to appeal to the public we would still have Jim Crow laws and laws against miscegenation.

  24. I see this a lot with the right wing by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    they're very friendly, helpful and charitable with people who they think of as equals but anyone else it's open season on. It took me a long time to piece this behavior together since it's so nonsensical. One minute they'd be giving you the shirt off their back the next they'd be laying into the poor with all their might.

    The mark of a truly good man is that he cares for folks outside his class. Churchill seemed to be. Obama is definitely. Scalia was just another in a long line of borderline psychopaths who seem nice when they're around their own kind...

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  25. Re:I won't attend the laying in state, but I appro by gumpish · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So then the 4th amendment doesn't apply to a telephone conversation because that doesn't fall under the category of "papers" or "effects"?

    Give me a fucking break.