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Auschwitz Museum Releases Software To Rewrite Holocaust Nomenclature (thestack.com)

An anonymous reader writes: The Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial and Museum has released software for Windows and Mac which is intended to catch and rewrite terms such as 'Polish death camps' and other phrases which associate the Polish people with the atrocities of the holocaust, rather than the occupying German forces which created and ran the death camps. The software comes in the form of Microsoft Word Add-Ins on Windows and a revision to the system-wide dictionary in OSX, making the facility available to Mac programs including Safari, Keynote and Outlook. A spokesperson for the ad agency that developed the programs said, "We decided to make use of the primary tool used by text writers and create an easy to install add-on that finds the mistake made and suggests a correct phrase."

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  1. Re:What's holocaust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    My grandparents died in the Holocaust when they were six. Show some respect.

  2. Related to recent government measures by vivaoporto · · Score: 4, Informative

    Probably related to the recent measures proposed by the Polish government to criminalize the use of the phrase âoePolish death campsâ.

    1. Re:Related to recent government measures by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Okay, it pays to RTFA before getting upset about it. Turns out the proposal to criminalise use of this phrase is just something some guy in the government said he wants, not an actual policy and certainly not likely to become law. So forget that, it's just a click bait story built on a foundation of bullshit.

      The software is a tool to help people. Like a spell checker, people like tools that improve their writing. It's optional, no one is being forced to use it. Similar tools have existed for years, like grammar checkers that suggest avoiding gendered pronouns in technical writing and on forms etc. It's not attempting to censor or silence anyone, or force anyone to do anything.

      It's an interesting tool but basically a non-story.

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    2. Re:Related to recent government measures by vux984 · · Score: 2

      I do so love a post that effectively contradicts itself merely by the fact it was made in the first place. Very meta. Bravo.

      As for the argument at hand, more irony... some politico says "I wish people would stop calling them 'Polish Death Camps' when the Polish people had nothing to do with creating them or running them; there ought to be a law!"

      To which your response is that "He shouldn't be allowed to have that opinion, you know, to protect freedom of speech."

      Your head a splode!
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  3. just apologize by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's a little disingenuous to blame Germany for it, because Polish mobs were killing the survivors from Auschwitz. The Jews didn't leave Poland because of the concentration camps, they left because Poland was trying to kill them.

    Poland should just apologize and move on. We all have done terrible things in the histories of our countries. No point trying to hide it.

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    1. Re:just apologize by phantomfive · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not a lie, Polish mobs were literally killing survivors of the concentration camps. See this for more detail.

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    2. Re:just apologize by phantomfive · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's a quantitative difference, not a qualitative difference. The Poles were really, really bad to the Jews. You can say the Poles weren't as bad as the Nazis, and that's true, but......

      Just apologize and move on. Really, it's easier.

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    3. Re:just apologize by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sometimes you just need to accept that things sucked back then and move on (ie, don't do it again).

      Unfortunately, it does not appear that Poland learned its lesson, as we see by the rise of the authoritarian far-Right in Poland PiS party and the Nazi-like National Rebirth of Poland (Narodowe Odrodzenie Polski) Party. It is no accident that the criminalization of the phrase "Polish death camps" has come at this time. It's because there is a concerted effort in Poland to erase these camps from history.

      https://www.thejournal.ie/pola...

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    4. Re:just apologize by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Informative

      Poland had been literally *the* most tolerant country in Europe

      OK, I'm going to assume you're sincere here, and not trolling. This is what tolerance looks like. This is what tolerance doesn't look like. The reality is Hitler didn't invent anti-semitism, he tapped into the existing strong current of anti-semitism and took advantage of it for his own purposes.

      By the time war started, Jews were large and well intergrated part of Polish society.

      Again, I don't know why you think that.

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    5. Re:just apologize by nbauman · · Score: 2

      My reading of the history http://www.abebooks.com/Notes-... of the time is that it's difficult to separate categories of people like "Jews," "Poles," "Germans," or even "Nazis" as all good or all bad.

      It seems that like most nationalities at the time, a minority of Poles helped the Jews, a minority of Poles killed the Jews, and the majority in the middle went where they were led. A lot of them formed alliances of convenience, with the Soviets or Polish nationalists, and a lot of them collaborated with the Nazis, based on cold calculations of what gave them the best chances of surviving the war.

      Ringelblum said that the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto hated the collaborators, Kohn and Heller, even more than the Germans.

      There was definitely a history of anti-Semitism and pogroms in Poland. There were also periods of uneasy tolerance and even acceptance. During the good times, the Polish Jews were quite successful.

      Even after WWII, there were some Jews who were quite influential in Polish society, like Marek Edelman and Helena WoliÅska-Brus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.... So tell me whether those Polish Jews themselves who survived the war were all good or all bad.

      I used to try to figure out which nations were good and which were bad. Now I realize that it's a complicated mixture, and I think that's a more satisfying answer.

  4. So, sed? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

    Why is sed and other software that can do substitutions inadequate here?

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  5. News from the future by the_skywise · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Today the government mandated that the Orwellian Plugin be a required built-in feature for all word processors, editing tools and key entry for public safety purposes.

    The Orwellian plugins are widely used to auto-correct incorrect thinking and terminology legally defined as hate speech and promotes a safer and more welcoming and open society.

    In other news chocolate rations are up...

  6. Like a SJW Clippy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Like a SJW Clippy. "I see you're trying to write about historical events. Would you like help contributing to the shame pornography that is post-war German culture?"

  7. Revisionist Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Please install our memory hole on your computer so we can make it look like Europe had a long history of totally loving the Jews and making them feel welcome, until mean ole Hitler came along and was the first (and only) anti-Semite in European history.

    Europeans are fucking disgusting in their intellectual dishonesty.

  8. Software as Art by doconnor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wouldn't view this as software with a functional purpose, but rather as a political and social commentary in the form of software, rather then a speech or a painting. It doesn't help you achieve a task, but it does make you think about the issues involved.

    It's a very interesting idea.

    1. Re:Software as Art by paai · · Score: 2

      Everybody who is in the slightest interested in WWII and the holocaust will know that the Polish were virulent antisemites. Perhaps even worse than the predominantly european-oriented germans. I cannot imagine that this initiative will make history forget this.

      Paai

  9. Re:What's holocaust? by mitcheli · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a person who has visited Dachau, my sincere condolences. As for the article, I would think a better way to approach this would be to address the educational material and reference material rather than implementing a revisionist methodology on individual people's thoughts. Seems rather big brother to me. Visiting Dachau and reading the history as it happened there was very eye opening to me. I was under the impression that the German government was a bunch of third world, unsophisticated neanderthals that allowed some megalomaniac take over and slowly build a war machine. ... This impression was very, very wrong. The German government at the time was very scientifically advanced, had a similar structure to what the US has today, and allowed a fair and open election that elected the megalomaniac into office. From there, they passed a law that allowed the "president" to override the congress in times of need. From there, the congress was disbanded, the constitution suspended, and within a month Dachau was opened. The Third Reich had risen. And to learn the passivity of the local population was shocking. People simply didn't care.

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  10. trying to rewrite Polish history by ooloorie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    intended to catch and rewrite terms such as 'Polish death camps' and other phrases which associate the Polish people with the atrocities of the holocaust, rather than the occupying German forces which created and ran the death camps

    The trouble is: the Polish people were actually associated with the atrocities of the Holocaust. Antisemitism and oppression were common in Poland both before and after WWII. The main reason Poles didn't cooperate more with the Nazis was that the Nazis viewed them as racially inferior as well. So, whatever you call the death camps, Poland's own despicable history must not be forgotten.

    1. Re:trying to rewrite Polish history by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's still like saying that if the Japanese had occupied the Mariana Islands in WW2 and set up death camps, which the US then immediately burned down upon reconquering the islands, they could be legitimatedly referred to as 'American Death Camps.'

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    2. Re:trying to rewrite Polish history by ooloorie · · Score: 2

      they could be legitimatedly referred to as 'American Death Camps.'

      The term "Polish death camps" is ambiguous; it could refer to the political entity or the geographic region. But since Poland didn't exist as a political entity at the time, it obviously has to refer to the geographic region. It's shorthand for "Polish death camps of the Nazi Regime" or "Nazi death camps in Poland". This is as much a tribute to the millions of Polish victims as it is a reminder to reflect on the relationship between Polish society and the death camps.

      Since the Mariana Islands are not geographically part of America and were not under US rule while the death camps operated there, there is no sense in which they could be referred to as the "American death camps". What they could be referred to is the "Mariana Island death camps", which is short for "Mariana Island death camps of Imperial Japan".

  11. Re:Revisionist history? by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not revisionist history. It's trying to change the descriptors of events. Camps in Poland were German camps, not Polish. The Poles weren't collaborators, but were subjugated. The Poles seem very concerned about the "true" history being lost, and the poor descriptions of events giving a false impression.

    Much like the secession states in the US Civil War seceded because of slavery as the primary reason, and hate of states rights as the second, though the current thought is the opposite of the second, and that the primary is a secondary or lower cause. One must be vigilant about how words are used if meaning is to be maintained over long terms.

  12. Re:What's holocaust? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Informative

    The German government at the time was very scientifically advanced, had a similar structure to what the US has today, and allowed a fair and open election that elected the megalomaniac into office. From there, they passed a law that allowed the "president" to override the congress in times of need. From there, the congress was disbanded, the constitution suspended, and within a month Dachau was opened. The Third Reich had risen. And to learn the passivity of the local population was shocking. People simply didn't care.

    Trump 2016

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  13. Don't blame the Holocaust on Poland by Prien715 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Poland had more holocaust victims than any other country with around 2 million of the victims being ethnic Poles. Poland is also number one in Righteous Among the Nations (awarded by Israel for saving Jews during the Holocaust). Basically, Poland was damn proud to be a Democratic state where you could practice whatever religion you wanted which attracted the largest Jewish population of Europe and earned the ire of Germany. A couple right-wing nutters no more represents Poland than Cliven Bundy represents Americans. /., you're better than to present the Polish as a people who cooperated with Germany during the Holocaust -- a view the victims don't share either.

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  14. Re:Correction Correction by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

    Because NAZI was a German party run by Germans and voted into power by Germans?

  15. Re:What's holocaust? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Informative

    >> grandparents died...when they were six

    Not to be an asshole, but I think we're getting whooshed. How did your grandparents have kids if they were six?

  16. wut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've noticed there has been a constant increase of people and media reminding people that the Holocaust happened in the past few years.
    It's parallel to the growing war crimes and crimes against Humanity that Israel has been pulling off in that region, in addition to the racism against black people who even had to stage protests. As if, what is pretty much ancient history now, excuses the shit they are pulling in the present.
    Of course, the justification for deporting blacks rather than giving them asylum is truly worthy of a Nazi victim that has learned well from its ancient oppressor:
    "Keeping the Jewish nation pure, because Jews are special and it's called 'Patriotism', not 'Nazism' ", when they are pulling the same shit Nazis did.

    You'd think Gypsies, Slavs and Homosexuals never existed during the Holocauster. Jews get more priority in being mentioned.

    And yet, the whole world hates Jews yet again despite all this social-engineering and despite WW2, as evidenced by the world just about having enough of Israeli bullshit and recognizing Palestine. I do wonder why.

  17. Re:What's holocaust? by AvitarX · · Score: 2

    Hitler wasn't elected to president, is supporters forced him to be appointed Chancellor, and then increased the Chancellor's power.

    Hindenburg won the run-off, the Nazi's did win a plurality in parliament while government still functioned.

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  18. Re:Obama's method is superior. by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 2

    First amendment? Gay marriage. Suspended. Check.

    I think you're a bit premature here. Please double check item 23b section iii on the Agenda. We haven't succeeded until heterosexual marriage is illegal!

  19. Re:Obama's method is superior. by mitcheli · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I get that this is turning into a political debate that is taking staunch political lines between republican (foxnews) and democrat (msnbc) ideologies. And that is unfortunate. That division of ideology is exactly why Trump is doing so well. And that ideology is blind to the fact that it really doesn't matter which political party you align with, the damage come just the same. The Patriot Act, and many of the other political issues that are raised here on Slashdot are bi-partisan. Yes, that means it doesn't matter which soda you choose, both coke and pepsi have a crap ton of sugar in them that will make you fat. Let's shift focus back to the original point of the article and away from whether Obama or Trump or Bush or who the heck ever would be qualified as worse president ever. Let's start picking better presidents and better legislators. Not what Fox or MSNBC says we should pick, who are they to decide what's right for us?

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  20. Re:What's holocaust? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Funny

    My grandparents died in the Holocaust when they were six. Show some respect.

    How did people that died at 6, which is well prior to the age at which homo sapiens achieves sexual maturity, become your grandparents? How did the child of these miraculous 6 year old parents survive, or was it born to them at 3 and didn't get taken to the camp?

    Nazi experiments. :-)

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  21. Will it rewrite "Guantanamo Bay Internment Facilit by mbeckman · · Score: 2

    Well, will it?

  22. Ask anyone what did the jews thought about Poland by Nicopa · · Score: 2

    I'm the grandson of Polish jews that came to Argentina. Everybody knows, I've heard that from my family a dozen times, that the Poles were mostly antisemitic, they happily joined the nazis and they even happily stole the property of the escaping jews. I've heard that some people coming here at the time burned their Polish papers because of that. And now this museum is focused in some chauvinist correction than in remembering the real horrors of the time.

  23. Doesn't surprise me people don't believe it. by p51d007 · · Score: 2

    Considering the state of education in the world, how there are millions of people that don't believe the attempted extermination of the Jewish people happened, it wouldn't surprise me that people would try to hold the Polish people responsible, for the death and destruction at the hands of the Nazi party. During the end of the war in 1945, General Dwight D. Eisenhower forced the German people to clean up and bury those in the death camps, and had the worlds journalist document all the death inside those camps. When asked why, he responded "because there will come a day, that the people of the world will not believe the events that happened". By photographing, and documenting this, no matter what people say, there is hard evidence, that the holocaust did in fact happen, at the hands of the Nazi's.

  24. Re:What's holocaust? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    Ach, don't compare Abrams to Riefenstahl!

    Yes. At least Riefenstahl knew how to make a decent film.

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  25. Re:What's holocaust? by mjwx · · Score: 3, Informative

    This impression was very, very wrong. The German government at the time was very scientifically advanced, had a similar structure to what the US has today, and allowed a fair and open election that elected the megalomaniac into office.

    This isn't strictly true.

    Hitler was not elected fairly per se, during elections in the late 20's the Sturmabteilung (SA or Brown Shirts) stood over elections in many parts of Germany to ensure enough votes were cast for the Nazi party. This was enough to make the Nazi's the second largest party in parliament, giving them enough numbers to cripple it with repeated walkouts until Hitler was given what he wanted by the president, Paul Von Hindenburg. What Hitler wanted was to be given the position or Reich Chancellor. After being given the Chancellors position in 1933 Hitler dissolved the Reichstag (the lower house, similar to the US Congress) and forced general elections. During this time the SA standover men were everywhere in Germany. Hitler also passed laws limiting the freedom of the press at this time. After the Reichstag Fire Decree, civil liberties were severely curtailed.

    After this, the Nazi's stormtroopers, the Sturmabteilung were openly operating in Germany virtually unopposed, enforcing boycots against Jewish business and the like. When Paul Von Hindenburg died in office in 1934, Hitler organised a plebiscite to combine the office of the Chancellor with the office of the President, this passed with a 90% yes vote but this is mainly due to the standover tactics employed by the SA and the Nazis. Hitlers rise to power was a very long and often violent subversion of democracy. Its a bit of a misnomer to say he was legitimately elected.

    As several bills had passed the Reichstag in 1933, laws were able to be made by the Reich Chancellor without the involvement of the Reichstag, Hitler who was now both president and chancellor held absolute power. At this point Hitler also had control of the limited army in Weimar Germany, so a military coup was also out of the question. He began the process of folding the SA into the army (culminating with the assassination of Ernst Rohm, leader of the SA).

    I dont think the US is at this level just yet.

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  26. Re:What's holocaust? by BoogieChile · · Score: 2

    But where were the survivors buried?