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A 19-Year-Old Made A Free Robot Lawyer That Has Appealed $3M In Parking Tickets (businessinsider.com)

schwit1 writes: Hiring a lawyer for a parking-ticket appeal is not only a headache, but it can also cost more than the ticket itself. Depending on the case and the lawyer, an appeal -- a legal process where you argue out of paying the fine -- can cost between $400 to $900. But with the help of a robot made by British programmer Joshua Browder, 19, it costs nothing. Browder's bot handles questions about parking-ticket appeals in the UK. Since launching in late 2015, it has successfully appealed $3 million worth of tickets. He is cutting into the government trough and lawyers' jobs. That's a double whammy. How long is it before the bar association and government get automated lawyers disqualified?

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  1. Lawers should be put out of job by mmiscool · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A world with less lawers is a nicer world.

    1. Re:Lawers should be put out of job by NEDHead · · Score: 5, Funny

      That should be "fewer lawyers". A world with better spellers would be nice too. As would a world with a little attention to proper grammar.

      Alas, the latter two worlds are by far the more likely.

    2. Re:Lawers should be put out of job by AK+Marc · · Score: 5, Funny

      And even in the strict sense, you can't count lawyers, like you can't count cockroaches. There are too many of them, and nobody wants the job of counting them. So less would be correct by all rules.

    3. Re:Lawers should be put out of job by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, "less lawyers" is grammatically fine.

      It is grammatically correct, but the meaning is different. If you start with 10 lawyers, and you shoot one of them, then you have fewer lawyers. But if you start with 10 lawyers, and you starve them so they lose 20 pounds each, you now have less lawyers.

      Personally, I am okay with either shooting them or starving them.

  2. Robot lawyer? by penguinoid · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm not going to hire any robot lawyer unless it can prove it is soulless.

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    1. Re:Robot lawyer? by SeaFox · · Score: 5, Funny

      How would that make it any different from a regular lawyer?

  3. "automated lawyers disqualified"? Probably not. by Neil_Brown · · Score: 5, Informative

    In the UK, there is no monopoly on giving legal advice — only six things in the legal sphere require particular entitlement ("reserved activities"):

    • (a) the exercise of a right of audience;
    • (b) the conduct of litigation;
    • (c) reserved instrument activities;
    • (d) probate activities;
    • (e) notarial activities;
    • (f) the administration of oaths.

    Anyone can give legal advice, so prohibiting just software from doing so would seem a very odd move.

    The professional body for solicitors in England and Wales — the Law Society — recently released a report on "The Future Of Legal Services" and, at section 4.2, it talks through (very briefly) a number of the technology changes which will either be useful to solicitors or else challenging them.

  4. Re:Full employment for lawyers by mysidia · · Score: 4, Informative

    it is sometimes illegal to use do-it-yourself kits

    No... it is NOT unlawful to use them. However, the results of using the kits, might not be as intended, due to the differences in the law, and the ways some jurisdictions will interpret the templated materials.

    It is possible, for example, that your template Will might not work as it is supposed to, or might not meet requirements for enforceability on certain intended parts of the document in a jurisdiction the document was not designed for.

  5. Re:Lawyers likely aren't losing that much here by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, his website lets you choose from one of several forms which it then emails. This is a "robot lawyer" like my kindle is a "robot author" since I can call up different stories depending on what I want to read.

    It's a handy website I'm sure. But usually my parking tickets are more complicated, like "I applied for a zone renewal 3 times but your system still hasn't sent me my sticker. I called the parking office and they said our neighborhood had a backlog and therefore shouldn't be enforced for expired tags."

    I still didn't need a "lawyer" I just had to explain my situation in 4-5 sentences and email it off.

  6. Thoughts On Ticketing by ytene · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Unsurprisingly there are a lot of comments already concerning the implications of this web site to the role of a lawyer, but maybe there is an even more important aspect here. The "success rate" statistics would seem to imply that the issuance of parking tickets in the UK is significantly more aggressive than it should be. Now this could be for a number of reasons [under-qualified ticket wardens, poor quality signs, or, perhaps, inappropriate guidance given regarding when to issue. Non-UK readers may like to know that the UK has a long and very tempestuous relationship with parking supervision; until relatively recently landowners could either clamp parked cars or have an "agent" do it for them; sadly the number of these agencies that were cowboys and scammers caused outrage and fortunately the practice was banned... When I worked in local government ~ 20 years ago, we adjusted the total price of parking tickets and fines to ensure that we recovered the cost of maintaining the car parks, providing security lighting and CCTV, collecting litter, etc, but nothing else. The car parks were basically zero-profit, cost-recovery exercises. Since then, however, government funding has changed massively, and the issue of parking tickets could well [sorry, not entirely sure either way] be a lucrative source of income for some. The success of this web site may have less to do with the need for legal skills than the likely dubious grounds under which a ticket was issued in the first place. Now what would be really interesting would be if Joshua Browder [the site developer] could pull some statistics from the site that could show which locations had the most over-turned tickets. If there were patterns in *that* data, then there might be grounds to take a closer look at the issuing agency in an attempt to put things right. Let's hope that he considers doing just that...

  7. My wife got a speeding ticket last year. by mark_reh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of her coworkers (a surgeon) gave her the name of a lawyer and suggested calling him. She did just to see how they could possibly get her out of a speeding ticket. The lawyer said that the speeding ticket will be negotiated down to a non-moving violation such as improper parking. She would have to pay the full fine for the speeding ticket plus the lawyer's fee, but it wouldn't affect her insurance rates or add points to her license.

    She went along to see if it would work and sure enough, the ticket was negotiated down and she paid the fine and lawyer's fee- IRIC the lawyer charged $150. No points, no increase in insurance rates.

    My wife finished her anesthesiology residency just a few years ago, so life as 1%ers is pretty new to us. This event was a real eye opener. I guess this is how the 1% gets away with murder. I can't imagine what it's like to be a 0.1%er.