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Windows 10 Forced Update Resets Default Apps To Microsoft Products (theinquirer.net)

Freshly Exhumed writes: Microsoft has told The Inquirer that it is aware of a bug which has been causing users' default programs to switch to the bundled Microsoft options. After deleting the update, a user discovered the next day that Windows had reinstalled it and reset the default settings again. InfoWorld gives some real world scenarios: "If you have Chrome as the default browser on your Windows 10 computer, you'd better check to make sure Microsoft didn't hijack it last week and set Edge as your new default. The same goes for any PDF viewer: A forced cumulative update also reset PDF viewing to Edge on many PCs. Do you use IrfanView, ACDSee, Photoshop Express, or Photoshop Elements? The default photo app may have been reset to -- you guessed it -- the Windows Photos app. Music? Video? Microsoft may have swooped down and changed you over to Microsoft Party apps, all in the course of last week's forced cumulative update KB3135173."

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  1. Accidentally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems that accidentally is another English word that is reversing its meaning.

    1. Re: Accidentally by wendyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Microsoft has never said they won't change to subscription. All they have said is that it is free for the life of the device. But they get to decide what the life of your device is, not you.

      And to say it doesn't contain spyware is laughable.

    2. Re:Accidentally by penguinoid · · Score: 4, Funny

      It seems that accidentally is another English word that is reversing its meaning.

      Kids these days are literally slaughtering the English language.

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  2. Ooops, I did it again by qbast · · Score: 5, Funny

    So sorry, it won't happen again until next update.

    1. Re:Ooops, I did it again by Luthair · · Score: 5, Informative

      Basically, its happened to me too. They also re-install their shitty metro apps you may have removed.

    2. Re:Ooops, I did it again by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's hardly the first time an update has reset things to default. It's just that now, instead of being a screw up that affects a percentage of users, because it's Windows 10 it's an evil plot to force you to use Microsoft apps for the five seconds it takes you to raise what happened.

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  3. Yeah, a "bug", sure... by maugle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Never attribute to malice etc etc, but this isn't the first time Microsoft has pulled this sort of crap, and the fact that they still haven't put safeguards in place to prevent these "bugs" is telling.

    1. Re:Yeah, a "bug", sure... by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action. (Ian Fleming)

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    2. Re:Yeah, a "bug", sure... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 3, Funny

      OK, but what comes next? It looks like we need a few more...

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  4. Is it time for a class action? by Snotnose · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I usually hate class action lawsuits, but as a Win10 user I'm getting sick of this crap. Between the spying, excuse me, "telemetry", the reboots in the middle of the night with the laptop closed, to resetting all my app associations, it's just a fucking joke. I don't believe for a second the app associate reset is a "bug", or a "glitch". It's something Microsoft is trying to sneak past us hoping that, if they do it enough times, we'll give up and use their app instead of the one we want.

    Don't tell me to run Linux. I do run Linux. I also need my laptop for things Linux won't run.

    1. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > as a Win10 user

      As a Windows 10 user, you deserve every drop of this.

      I know it sucks you can't use Linux, or OS X, or BSD, for some selection of applications (probably work related- for many others its games) that you just can't get anywhere else. But that's Microsoft's whole strategy! This is the endgame for vendor lock-in.

      Basically, Microsoft has said "deal with our bullshit or gtfo". Right now you kinda have other options- you can run 8.1 and be reasonably early in its support cycle, with its unfortunate UI. You can run 7 and be in the middle of its support cycle, and its probably the ideal Windows for most users who can't escape. But everyone knows those two won't be ok forever. You have to manually admin your 7 or 8.X box or you'll get telemetry pushed in (you probably have to tear it out already- they pushed the KBs live like last March and they didn't start sending data until summer), you'll have to be careful to avoid the Windows 10 "upgrade", etc.

      But at the end of the day, you paid for this, asked for this, and enabled this- and this is what you get. Microsoft will probably at some point have a version or update or optional whatever that gives you a functional Windows 10 or 11 or who cares, and you and everyone else will take the bait on at least ONE box, thus assuring that the lock in will never, ever end, and we'll be right back here except worse.

      It is crap, but this endgame has been predicted and known for over a decade, right?

    2. Re:Is it time for a class action? by iampiti · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, up to now I was happy with Ms' business model: I give them money for a Windows license they give me a decent OS which allows me to run the software I want and stays out of my way.
      They've now have changed it and it doesn't suit my needs. Was I stupid by trusting that Microsoft was going to update Windows in a way that didn't suck? Maybe, but I repeat, up to now we had an exchange that satisfied both parties, I could've continued that way but Ms no longer want it.
      I asked for this? No, I didn't, I asked for the other model to continue. This is enabled by Ms' near monopoly on desktop OS and by people who do upgrade to Windows 10. I everyone refused they'd have no recourse but to back up.
      My future? Windows for games and Linux for everything else

    3. Re:Is it time for a class action? by chipschap · · Score: 4, Interesting

      By putting substantial effort into it, I've been able to get almost completely away from Windows (haven't booted my Win 8.1 partition in at least a month).

      At one time, when Wine wasn't very good and some things that I had to have, like decent OCR, weren't functional on Linux, I was stuck. But things have evolved and so have my adaptivity skills.

      I realize I'm not making a good general case here. Of course, if you're an average user and most of what you do is on the Web or involves typical office suite work, Linux will work for you just about out of the box. If you have specialized needs, I contend that Linux can often be made to work for you, although sometimes that won't be true. (Gamers have the biggest problem, I suppose; people that require a specialized vertical such as maybe medical imaging software and others.)

      But to come the point, with all the Microsoft nonsense I keep reading about (and trying very hard to stay clear of), there's a lot of incentive. Microsoft seems to be getting more and more aggressive and not even caring enough to conceal it. There's a lot of reason to try to get away from their lock-in.

      Will Microsoft eventually self-destruct? To some extent IBM, which in its day was every bit as aggressive, did. But I'm not willing to put up with another decade of suffering.

    4. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > I give them money for a Windows license they give me a decent OS

      I mean, this is exactly why everyone is so hot about this. They changed from offering an OS to offering a spyware mess. If any of these posts gets modded up, you can expect some ACs to come in and say "but Android does this too!". Now, it doesn't, but even if it sucked raw anus with a straw, it's not a reason for Windows to wonder "how long a straw do I need"- but wait for it, those dual class Apologist / Shills will be here shortly.

      The thing is, Microsoft changing models to something shitty was INEVITABLE. That's the core problem. Microsoft has been forced in court to NOT do many things- you didn't have a rational agreement with Microsoft, you had the government pointing metaphorical guns at them and demanding they behave in a barely civilized fashion. Then you gave them money and were ok with the results. That's you supporting a version of the company that requires constant legal expenditure to ensure that they don't just flip out and destroy everything.

      The funniest part is that the paid version (Pro) available to individuals is a hot mess of spyware and total shit. Only Enterprise even has the ability to be controlled, and there's evidence that neutering it still takes an external firewall. The idea that corporations get privacy and you don't is scary as fuck.

    5. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As a Windows 10 user, you deserve every drop of this. I know it sucks you can't use Linux, or OS X, or BSD, for some selection of applications

      Blame the victim. Right.

      I need Windows 10 because I support code that is used by people who use Windows 10. I cannot change what they do, and I like getting a paycheck, so I use Windows 10.

      I appreciate that you think I deserve whatever happens because of that, but your opinion doesn't put food on my table, and it's pretty arrogant and just ridiculous.

      Right now you kinda have other options- you can run 8.1 and be reasonably early in its support cycle,

      Thanks for telling me what I can run. Isn't that the same kind of thing that Microsoft is doing with their changes to default programs (they are NOT "apps")? And tell me, how does paying Microsoft for an 8.1 upgrade help me support people who are running 10? Are you going to pay for my 8.1 upgrade?

      you'll have to be careful to avoid the Windows 10 "upgrade", etc.

      I didn't "have to be careful" to avoid the upgrade. All it took was deleting gwx.exe and everything else in that directory.

      But at the end of the day, you paid for this, asked for this,

      You are an ignorant, arrogant jerk, and that is putting it kindly.

  5. Re:Microsoft's main product: ABUSE! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Funny

    As an IT support contractor, Microsoft is a JOB SECURITY company that pays my salary. Every month the same Windows issues popped up on different computers that need remediation. I'm 20 years into my IT career with Windows. Woo-hoo!

  6. Re:It's Microsoft by Dracos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People keep saying MS is changing for the better, but this is the exact kind of shit that earned them so much enmity in the first place.

  7. Just don't install the Start menu loss update by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There's an even more evil bug going around in the Windows 10 fever pit right now, the sudden loss of Start menu functionality. One day you boot up and although there's still a Stafrt button, it no longer brings up its menu, and any program icons you pinned to the Taskbar are gone. As with so many other bugs in a new Windows version, a search reveals that a lot of people are getting this and there is a plethora of suggested workarounds, but none of them will work. You have to reinstall Windows.

    1. Re:Just don't install the Start menu loss update by herve_masson · · Score: 4, Informative

      Isn't it the infamous "tablet mode" that get automagically enabled ? Took me one hour to understand what happened and disable this damn shit, another hour to rant against yet another windows 10 crap.

  8. This is the result of "telemetry" by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Interesting

    With Windows 10 users living in the in the nightmare world of the Panopticon, I'll bet dimes to dollars Microsoft knows exactly how many people are not using Microsoft's own programs to open their software. Some manager somewhere saw the numbers weren't good enough to ensure her bonuses, so MS pushes out an update to reset the preferences which users have clearly chosen. I bet it works, too, after 3 months the numbers are will still be above where they were before the update. Evil like this has the unfortunate tendency to work.

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  9. Re:It's Microsoft by fizzer06 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I tried to use Corel VideoStudio X5 yesterday, but it crashed on startup. Did some searching and discovered Micrososoft security updates KB3134814, KB3126587 and KB3126593, installed on Feb. 9, 2016 were the culprits. After removing them Corel worked fine again.

  10. Article is inaccurate by vux984 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Windows 10 upgrade only resets the defaults if you go with the "recommended settings" option. If you select "customize" then it prompts you whether to update your default programs or keep the existing.

    If you take Microsoft's "recommended settings"; is it any surprise that they set you up on Edge for your browser, the new windows 10 photo viewer, etc, and a few other application defaults?

    It's nuts. There is a REAL problem with Microsofts telemetry situation; but too many of you get side tracked by every little irrelevant detail; and then run around like chicken little foaming at the mouth; and it takes all your credibility away.

    - "Oh no! Windows 10 has waaay too much telemetry ... "

    o "Oh, that sounds a little disturbing, tell me more?"

    - "Oh no! Windows 10 sets your default browser to edge if you select 'recommend settings'.
    - "Oh no! Windows 10 tries to connect to the internet so that it can update the icon that says whether or not you are connected to the internet!"
    - "Oh no! Windows 10 connects to the internet a thousand times in the first 24 hours"

    o "er...I see you left Windows update service turned on!"

    - "OMG Micro$$$oft evil! Bing sounds stupid. They made it easier to get to device manager and control panels... by changing somehting. EVIL!!"

    o "Yeah, I've forgotten why I was listening to you."

  11. The house that Gates built was nothing like this by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's really not fair. This is nothing like the house that Gates built. Microsoft of the 1990s and early 2000s went to extraordinary lengths to ensure stability and backward compatibility on the Windows platform, far beyond what most in the industry have ever done before or since. They did start to shift their stance on that a few years ago, with for example less effort to support other people's software and devices/drivers that relied on undocumented features, but that should never really have been their responsibility in the first place so personally I don't hold that against them.

    However, this "update any time we feel like it and break whatever" attitude is relatively recent and seems to be squarely on Nadella and his senior management team, who can't get the boot fast enough as far as I'm concerned. Microsoft of 2016 is actively customer-hostile in numerous ways, and as both a private individual and a business person I want the old MS back so I can get on with using computers to help me do interesting and useful things instead of fighting with them.

    I was in a meeting just this past week with a bunch of other local consultants and freelancers, and at lunch time this subject happened to come up because someone had been looking for a new PC and checking out the latest status with Windows 10. It turned out that nearly half the people in the room -- and these were all clued-up people when it comes to IT, who would not make decisions about infrastructure or security policy lightly -- no longer install any Windows updates on their Win7/8 machines by default now, even security updates unless a specific threat was identified. Literally no-one there was installing more than security updates as standard policy any more. Also literally no-one was using Windows 10, nor had worked with any customer or client who was using Windows 10 outside of evaluation/lab settings yet. The general sentiment seemed to be that a lot of places are deferring major purchasing decisions until at least the dust has settled, or in a few cases actively switching to alternatives (almost invariably Linux on the server side and Apple for laptops).

    For an organisation that famously had "Developers, developers, developers!" as its battle cry under previous management, that is a potentially catastrophic shift in attitude from a group that would almost certainly have favoured a Microsoft platform for a wide range of projects just a few years ago.

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  12. Re:Leaving the Windows by ledow · · Score: 3, Informative

    With virtualisation and web-based services, the OS barely matters any more. This is part of the reason that MS are suffering - they can't tie you into their application format, or even their browser, and neither can they stop you running Windows only where necessary for compatibility and in isolated VM's.

    Look at Chromebooks - the browser is the OS nowadays. And any service supplier that doesn't realise that is going to be ousted as soon as their competitors do. Hell, with Node.js, emscripten, etc. you can run traditional programs in the browser almost as if they were native (go have a look at the emscripten example 3D games on their website).

    The tie-downs for my uses are actually hardware-based. Where you have to have a USB dongle, or a Smartcard reader (e.g. banking, etc.) in order to do a task. Though USB passthrough exists, it ties you to particular computers and locations, and it also means that it's harder to setup and maintain.

    I can't move our banking software because it relies on a USB smartcard that ties itself to the machine's Windows installation.

    But, pretty much, if I was in charge of a company in my industry or any of the others that I could conceivably work in, I could easily justify and manage without any particular OS or proprietary software at all. There's not much nowadays that relies on such things, and those that do seem very limiting and old-fashioned.

    Hell, a few years back, there was a boiler in the place I worked - a serious thing that covered a huge site from one location. The software was the most locked-down thing I've ever seen. But I was still able to virtualise it by tricking the installers into thinking the machine they were in front of was just a physical machine. They installed all the software, set it up, activated and registered the MAC interfaces, etc. And when they were gone, I took the VM image they'd actually been working on and moved it to the servers, and turned the workstation back into just-another-client.

    I've had to deal with quite a few manufacturers who just don't like you VM'ing things but can't justify exactly why. For at least three of them, I've tricked them like that or just virtualised it and then fixed the software. The manufacturers who get my custom easier are those who go "Oh, yes, well we have an image for VMWare or HyperV if you want one, we just don't advertise it".

    Hell, the firewall where I work is actually a VM nowadays, and our VM's are 40:60 Linux and Windows. Even then, it's usually only because we separate by task and are licensed on Server Datacenter (so we can run unlimited VM copies of Windows on them), so we're running many more copies of Windows than strictly necessary. If costs changed, we could easily go 90:10.

  13. Re:It's Microsoft by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The More Information section of at least one of the knowledge base articles mention...

    So I went to the linked article which pointed me for further information to a MS security bulletin which said I needed to refer to a KB article which sent me back to the security bulletin. I think I saw a white rabbit with a wristwatch at some point too. In any case I think what MS is trying to tell us is that they have a problem with too many levels of indirection through pointers.