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World's First Modular Smart Phone Hits the Market

An anonymous reader writes: Out before the much anticipated Google Modular Phone Project ARA, is a new phone from Fairphone: The Fairphone 2. This phone is claimed to be the the worlds first real modular phone. Fairphone is more than just a phone manufaturer but a social justice movement . Fairphone is a project of Waag Society, Action Aid and Schrijf-Schrijf to raise awareness about conflict minerals in consumer electronics and the wars that the mining of these minerals is fueling in the DR Congo. The Fairphone 2 build consists of 5-inch Full HD LCD screen, Android 5.1 Lollipop,Dual SIM, 4G LTE, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, Qualcomm quad core processor.

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  1. Waag more by turkeydance · · Score: 2, Funny

    bark less.

  2. I have one by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I use my Fairphone in my hugcircle in my safe space. Where do you use yours?

  3. Re:Awaiting Awareness by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The entire thing is a joke. The phone is made in China in the same factories and suppliers as other phones. The difference is that their suppliers say "sure, we only use tungsten from Colorado, not from the Congo". And the hipsters fly home happy.

  4. Polite Applause Due by retroworks · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They are trying to do what we wish all manufacturers would do, make devices repairable, upgradeable, and built of sustainable raw materials.

    I truly hope they will succeed, but they have to make something competitive with manufacturers that don't tie a hand behind their backs, because cheaper phones make more profits, and more profits make better phones. I trade with the Good Enough Markets (Africa, South America, Asia) and the buyers of used phones want whatever is the best phone for the least cost. The minute they make some compromise that reduces quality and value, they will lose scaleability and traction. To achieve value, you must achieve scale of production, and that requires a wee bit of ruthlessness.

    Good Luck, Fair Phone Guys. Don't try to be perfect, just be better.

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    1. Re: Polite Applause Due by Halo1 · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately I don't see them succeeding commercially. It's not possible to do fairly what your competitors do by cheating. How could they possibly match the prices per specs of the likes of Samsung but pay more for their inputs? Not possible without government intervention to level the playing field for companies who refuse to use the fruits of exploitation.

      They indeed don't/can't compete on price. Nevertheless, until now they're doing pretty well. Keep in mind this is already the second iteration of the Fairphone (they sold about 100k Fairphone 1's), and that the Fairphone 2 required a lot more upfront capital to design and manufacture than the first one (they designed more themselves, are doing larger production runs with more expensive components, ...). This means that their business model is, or at least until now has been, financially sustainable and they are growing (they did start with some subsidies and incubator capital, but then again, which business does not). And that is actually the point they are trying to prove: that there is a market for products where the focus is not just on features and price, but also on sustainability in the broadest sense of the word.

      Their main goal is not to make or sell phones. Their goal is to change the electronics industry from the inside out by setting an example. I.e., it's the opposite of all of the hipster nonsense being spouted here by probably largely the same people that are whining all the time that their living standard is threatened by cheap H-1Bs. At least the Fairphone people are actually doing things, such as setting up worker representation committees in the factories they use.

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  5. Re:Awaiting Awareness by 110010001000 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Sure, boss, we are willing to work on social end environmental performance with you. When is the check coming, gweilo?"

  6. Really modular? by Dracos · · Score: 2

    Swapping out internal components is one thing, but when I think of a modular phone I envision one of the modules being a full hardware QUERTY keyboard.

    Sigh... nope.

  7. Re:Awaiting Awareness by dpidcoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I couldn't care less about all of the "fair trade minerals" or "conflict free tungsten" or whatever. Not that I'm for using slave labor in mines or against having livable wages at factories that aren't deathtraps, but I think promoting that through buying an expensive phone is a useless feel-good measure best left for hipsters trying to assuage their 1st world guilt.

    That said, I really hate how the current phone market is trying to make phones into fashion accessories that you throw out after you get tired of them in 6 months. I build my own PCs to last through several upgrades before they get to the point where I feel the need to scrap the entire thing and get a new one. My current motherboard and case are bordering on 6 years old, ram was 4 years old when I last upgraded, I'm on my 2nd CPU, 3rd video card, and 4th primary hdd. I upgrade often enough that almost all of the parts that didn't flat out fail have filtered down to other systems (and often other systems after that). I see no reason why cell phones can't work the same way, and think it's great that fairphone is attempting to make something that's modular and easily fixable/upgradable. Hopefully it'll take off enough that it encourages other manufacturers to do similar things with modular phone design.

  8. Re:Awaiting Awareness by Maow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A further initiative these guys are taking that I fully endorse: and end to the so-called "land-fill Android" syndrome:

    Extending the lifespan of your mobile phone

    we’d like to encourage you to keep your existing mobile as long as it works. If you do buy Fairphone, we’re selling spare parts and offering repair tutorials to help make your phone useful for as long as possible, plus adding features like dual SIM to make the phones more attractive on the secondhand marketplace. We’re also working with partners to set up projects in Ghana to improve local waste collection efforts and transport discarded phones to Europe for safe recycling. Finally, our Take Back Program helps ensure that your old mobile phone is reused or properly recycled.

    That's pretty great really. What's not to like about that?

  9. Poor support for 3G/4G bands used in the Americas by gaiageek · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just in case anyone in the US or elsewhere in the Americas is considering one of these, know that you won't get any LTE reception, and in the US, you'll only get 3G reception on the 1900 band used by AT&T or (in some places) by T-Mobile. It doesn't support AT&T's 850 band and or T-Mobile's 1700 (AWS) band.

    In short, this is designed by Europeans, for Europeans.

  10. Re:Awaiting Awareness by 110010001000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because manufacturing doesn't work that way. Their Chinese supplier makes their phone. The supplier supplies the electronics and the raw materials. It isn't like Fairphone sends them a shipment of tungsten saying "hey use this to make our phone". It is just a bunch of hipsters with a gimmick.

  11. Re:Awaiting Awareness by 110010001000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You can do replace individual components with an iPhone too with parts off of ebay. Oh and why isn't the Fairphone2 available as an "upgrade" for the Fairphone1? You just need to "plug in" the upgrade, right?

  12. wrong direction by supernova87a · · Score: 2

    Two points:

    1. Several commentators elsewhere have noted that "blood minerals", like "blood diamonds", are not the root cause of the problem of violence and slavery in such countries. Social and governmental upheaval and disorder are the root issue, that will not be solved just by banning these commodities. Take away blood minerals, and the people of the regions affected by these problems will still have conflicts, just around some other valuable materials. The commodities for phones merely serve as the current vehicle for the conflict to be manifested. Much as college students want that to be the quick fix, by boycotting one thing, that will not solve the problem.

    2. The second point is that frequently the best thing that can be done to control and regulate the impacts of a commodity / mining / illicit trading / etc is that the sourcing of it is more concentrated, responsible in fewer entities or companies, who can be clearly identified. Apple in this regard has done more as the responsible party for sourcing hundreds of millions of iPhones and documenting their environmental / social impact than any other small phone maker. In fact, I might suggest that the more you incentivize small, local shops to make their own special version of a phone, the more opportunity there is for exploitation and inconsistency from your humanitarian vision.

    There are lots of downsides to the commodities and technologies needed to supply our gadgets, but given that demand is not going to be the level to be pulled here, I don't buy that this movement will solve them.

    1. Re:wrong direction by Maow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      in my opinion, taking away the ability to earn at least a little money is only going to hurt the mostly innocent bystanders.

      It looks like they're still putting money into poverty stricken areas:

      Promoting conflict-free tungsten exports from Rwanda

      Conflict-free tin from the Democratic Republic of Congo

      The Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) possesses 80 percent of the world’s coltan supply. Many of the mines there have been controlled by rebels who extort money from the miners, leading tantalum to be classified as a conflict mineral.

      Starting with the production of the Fairphone 1, we worked with Solutions for Hope to source conflict-free tantalum from the DRC.

      It appears they've made an honest effort to source things intelligently.

      Reading these comments (not the one I'm replying to) bitching, moaning, and whining about "hipsters" getting a "feel good" from stupidly being duped through the entire process, I'm pretty fucking disgusted with Slashdot today.

  13. Re:Awaiting Awareness by ClickOnThis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can do replace individual components with an iPhone too with parts off of ebay.

    Oh, really?

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  14. Re:Awaiting Awareness by 110010001000 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes you can. You can replace the same number of components on the iPhone as you can the Fairphone. How do you think the hundreds of iphone repair shops do it? I can't believe people fall for this kind of stuff.

  15. Re:Awaiting Awareness by Compuser · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I want my phone to do messaging, read email, browse the web, call people, I want it as a portable gps and basic camera and maybe a calculator and a flashlight. All these have been available on very old phones, all of these do not tax the processor even back to Snapdragon 800.
    There has been zero reason to upgrade a phone for the last three years at least. Of course, as soon as phones become capable of actual computing (running real applications, running multiple displays, interfacing with external storage, burn blu ray disks, and print to generic printers) I will upgrade. Until then... why?

  16. Re:Awaiting Awareness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You suck at reading bullshit. There is nothing concrete in that quote.

    Goals are something you'd like to reach. They aren't things you're currently doing. You never need to reach a goal.
    Willingness to work on something means nothing. I'm willing to give everyone in the world a million dollars, but I'll never do so.
    A commitment to transparency isn't a plan. It's a 'we'll make a committee and never let anything useful come out of the meetings'.
    "production partners we engage with directly" means no one. They can define "engage with directly" however they want.
    Identifying areas that needs improvement doesn't mean improving them.
    They're going to create worthless assessments as the first step in a process to create a policy of creating more worthless assessments before making changes that might have an impact on something.
    They're going to look at each step of the production line, ignoring how it fits in with all the other steps, and see how they can make that step more profitable by itself. Then they might actually make a change to make it more profitable. "Investigate" has no promise of action and they don't even say what they're investigating for. You will assume they're investigating what you want them to investigate and someone with different ideals will read the same paragraph and believe they're investigating what that person wants investigating.

    You shouldn't read anything released by a corporation. It's all meaningless and will damage your brain.

  17. "A social justice movement" by He+Who+Has+No+Name · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just what I want and desperately need, more militantly dysfunctional subjectivist Marxist bullshit in my objectively functional technology.

    Before I know it my pull requests are going to be totally triaged by feels and privilege checks, my render times will be doubled due to mid-bucketing RGB diversity checks, and my login password will have to include an entire freaking ASCII table so none of it feels unfairly excluded by the Literaryarchy.

    1. Re:"A social justice movement" by dave420 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If your intention was to tell everyone just how confused you are, I think you were wildly successful. It's not "Marxist" (I honestly think you don't know the meaning of the word) to source materials from companies which treat their workers well. I can see how you'd get confused, knowing as little as you seemingly do. I would suggest you spend more time working on your education and less time showing everyone just how sorely you need it.

    2. Re:"A social justice movement" by Maow · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Just what I want and desperately need, more militantly dysfunctional subjectivist Marxist bullshit in my objectively functional technology.

      What a fucking retarded statement.

      They're capitalists trying to fill a niche for ethically sourced phones with a modular design (a great and exciting idea all by itself), high reparability, and easily recyclable - the entire life cycle carefully considered.

      We've all heard the "child labour" comments and accusations regarding the manufacturing of our electronics - this business is trying to do something about it. How the fuck you get "militant Marxist" bullshit out of that makes it sound like you've fallen on your head. A few times.

      And at +5 Insightful, a few others have too.

      Before I know it my pull requests are going to be totally triaged by feels and privilege checks

      If you're talking about making pull requests to a hardware manufacturer who is using Android from AOSP, then yeah, your pull requests are probably pretty fucking useless.

      You don't like it, don't buy it, but getting your feels all hurt, along with your butt, makes you a militant Marxist moron. Since you like slinging non-sequiturs...

    3. Re:"A social justice movement" by MobyDisk · · Score: 2

      You know what's worse than one retard spewing off about something and getting a +5 Insightful? The inevitable ad-hominem attack that gets modded the same way.

      ...knowing as little as you seemingly do. I would suggest you spend more time working on your education and less time showing everyone just how sorely you need it.

      What the ever-loving fuck is happening at Slashdot?
      If you removed the personal attack from that comment, it would become:

      It's not "Marxist" to source materials from companies which treat their workers well.

      THAT is a +5 Insightful.

  18. Re:Awaiting Awareness by driftingOn · · Score: 2

    The new iteration of the phone has upgraded almost every component. If you want the specs of the new phone, it makes no sense to upgrade the old one since almost the entire phone would be changed. "[T]he stupidity never ends"...

  19. There's a Jolla one (that you can't have) by Phil+Urich · · Score: 3, Informative
    Someone made one for the Jolla, since there's a modular back to that phone designed for people to add electronics to it, and a lot of Jolla folks come from the N900 user/developer community so missed landscape slider QWERTY keyboards. https://www.kickstarter.com/pr...

    I rather like mine, although unfortunately just like the Fairphone 2 here, it doesn't support the frequencies my wireless carrier uses and as such is completely useless to me as a cellphone. Alas!

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    1. Re:There's a Jolla one (that you can't have) by Eunuchswear · · Score: 3, Informative

      The fairphone 2 has an interrnal USB connecter on the back for TOH like extensions. DVL, who made the keyboard TOH for the Jolla is working on add-ons for the Fairphone 2.

      https://forum.fairphone.com/t/fairphone-2-hardware-extensions/11457

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  20. Re:Android 5.1? by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

    Correct. Nexus brand is for phones that are co-developed with new Android releases. I've worked on Nexus products before and essentially it gives OEMs and chip vendors several months head start on preparing a for a new Android.

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  21. Re:Awaiting Awareness by Maow · · Score: 2

    Because it is silly in practice.

    We've never had a modular phone "in practice".

     

    I can get iPhone parts on ebay and "repair" my phone.

    Problem is, usually requires some specialty tools, depending on the phone.

    The battery is straightforward to access. Removing it requires a proprietary pentalobe screwdriver and knowledge of the adhesive removal technique, but is not difficult.

    The iPhone 6s still uses proprietary Pentalobe screws on the exterior, requiring a specialty screwdriver to remove.

    And think about it: if the phone is upgradable, why isn't the Fairphone 2 upgradeable from the Fairphone 1???

    Because this version is modular, do you understand what that word means?

    Christ, the stupidity never ends.

    Yes, and if you'd shut up there'd be less of it.

  22. Re:Awaiting Awareness by Maow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because manufacturing doesn't work that way. Their Chinese supplier makes their phone. The supplier supplies the electronics and the raw materials. It isn't like Fairphone sends them a shipment of tungsten saying "hey use this to make our phone".

    Citation needed, again.

    How the fuck do you know how their setup works? You haven't provided a single link to support your bullshit; you probably haven't even looked at their site.

    Put up a link or shut up. Fairphone has put up claims, feel free to debunk them if you have anything other than bullshit:

    Starting with the production of the Fairphone 1, we worked with Solutions for Hope to source conflict-free tantalum from the DRC. They established a closed-pipe supply chain (including mines, smelters and manufacturers) to provide greater transparency and supply conflict-free minerals from regions experiencing ongoing conflict. For the Fairphone 2, we will continue to support buying tantalum through Solutions for Hope. This initiative uses a mass balance model of traceability, which means that conflict-free tantalum from the DRC is mixed with conflict-free tantalum from other sources at the smelter. The resulting blend will be used in the capacitors in our latest phone.

    It is just a bunch of hipsters with a gimmick.

    No, it's a bunch of whiny, cynical assholes bitching because someone is making an effort to provide consumers choice - a choice that whiny, cynical assholes don't want to look into in the slightest, never mind a choice they'd make.

    Fine, if you don't want one no one cares. But just because someone shat in your cereal, don't have a whinefest about someone else making an effort.

  23. Re:Awaiting Awareness by ClickOnThis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes you can. You can replace the same number of components on the iPhone as you can the Fairphone. How do you think the hundreds of iphone repair shops do it? I can't believe people fall for this kind of stuff.

    I saw what you did there. You're moving the goalposts.

    Obviously a legitimate, Apple-approved repair shop can fix your phone without bricking it.

    Per the article I linked to -- which you ignored -- repair shops that use unapproved Apple parts can permanently brick an iPhone.

    And you're saying a consumer can fix their iPhone with parts they just buy off eBay? Yeah, good luck with that.

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  24. Re: Awaiting Awareness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Apple released a fix for this issue days after it made the media.

  25. Re: Awaiting Awareness by ClickOnThis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Apple released a fix for this issue days after it made the media.

    Oh dear ... AC, it appears you're right:

    http://www.techtimes.com/artic...
    http://www.techtimes.com/artic...

    Sorry, 110010001000.

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  26. How about a keyboard add-on by Zarhan · · Score: 2

    I'm *still* using my N900 due to the slide-out keyboard. Does this thing have such a feature as an available module? Couldn't find the info at least on product's page...

  27. Re:Arduino Phones is a real thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You realize you are using an 8-bit CPU in an Arduino to communicate to a 32-bit RISC inside the cell module you bought?

    I also would like to call BS on there being any such thing as a "open source hardware" for a cell radio.

  28. Re: Awaiting Awareness by prefec2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The goal of fairphone is not to sell many phones. Instead their primary goals are to make the production process of phones transparent, show how things can be improved for humans and environment in all steps from resources to assembly, and they have encourage you to use your phone longer. Exactly what you want. The fp2 should even last longer than the first.

  29. Re: Awaiting Awareness by prefec2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This exactly what FP promotes. The best what you can do for laborer and the environment, use the phone as long as possible.

  30. Re:Awaiting Awareness by shawn2772 · · Score: 2

    A further initiative these guys are taking that I fully endorse: and end to the so-called "land-fill Android" syndrome

    I don't see anything about the other big cause of land-fill Android syndrome: software updates. Are they also going to update the phone to new OS versions for a decade or so?