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New GitHub Upgrades Respond To Recent Complaints (thenewstack.io)

destinyland writes: Last week GitHub announced the ability to create templates for Issues and Pull Requests, in an apparent response to an open letter signed by 600+ project maintainers. "This is the first of many improvements to Issues and Pull Requests that we're working on based on feedback from the community," "wrote Ben Bleikamp, Product Manager at GitHub. The original letter, hosted in a "Dear-Github" repository, noted that "If GitHub were open source itself, we would be implementing these things ourselves as a community..." But this week GitHub continued releasing new improvements, offering a new feature with to upload files directly into repositories without leaving their browser.

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  1. Wonder if they'll drop the social justice BS too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wonder if they'll drop the social justice BS too

  2. **Distributed** VCS. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So stop using them.

    If you don't want to host:

    • https://gitlab.com/
    • https://sourceforge.net/ (whiplash, I'm counting on you fixing sf's name)
    • https://bitbucket.org/

    Or if you're a slashdotter that knows how to self host:

    • https://gitlab.com/
    • https://gogs.io/
    • http://gitolite.com/gitolite/index.html
    1. Re:**Distributed** VCS. by Gaygirlie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your reaction to them implementing a feature that people had asked for is to...suggest moving to something else?

    2. Re:**Distributed** VCS. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 3

      That's not how civilization evolves.

      That's exactly how civilization evolves. We got Reddit when people got fed up with Digg and made something new. We got BitTorrent when the RIAA forcefully closed Napster. We got tor and i2p when governments started to try and limit people's access to stuff.

      The good news is I don't have to write my on GitHub alternative, multiple people already have. GitLab offers private repos for free. My FreeNAS machine has separate jails for Gogs, GitLab and gitolite. My VPS is running gitolite.

      People are sitting and whining about GitHub when there are multiple valid alternatives, that's not 'evolving' civilization it's sitting and whining about a free service.

      request the owner who is responsible to make it better.

      Or you find a new 'owner' that already has stuff unbroken from the start.

      Nowadays you can't offer constructive criticism without the blunt commentary

      That's because 'kids these days' sit and whine non stop that the free services they're using aren't doing things the way they want them done. I followed the whole 'gamergate' for a while on some of their premises that I agree with but if you read /r/KotakuInAction it's 90% whining about Twitter, Facebook, Reddit or someone else 'censoring them' while they continue to use those services.

      If you really hate how Twitter works or who they hire STOP USING THEM. Instead you somehow think it's better to sit around and bitch and moan that Twitter isn't doing things the way you want them done and that's somehow Twitter's fault. Any slashdot reader should be able to put together a microblogging service in a few hours.

      The biggest argument I've seen against migrating away from GitHub, Twitter, Reddit, et al is "But everyone else is using them". Seriously? The most difficult reason you can't migrate services is "But my friends don't hang out there"? Whine harder about how "SJWers" are ruining all your things and see if it actually changes anything.

      Life's hard, wear a helmet, find a new service that fits your needs but no one wants to sit and listen to you bitch.

  3. If GitHub was open source... by grahamtriggs · · Score: 2

    It might be difficult to charge for the enterprise platform - which is part of what funds the availability of GitHub in the first place.

    I am an open source developer - I work on an open source platform - but I'm not a zealot. I *like* the principles of open source, but pragmatically it can't always provide a means to have supported software in all cases. Having an organisation that can keep the lights on at GitHub is more important than the whole of their code being open source - but maybe there is an opportunity to open up parts of it, like the issues.

    You can say that people using a free service have no right to complain - but ultimately, you would think that the people paying for a hosted repository, or paying for the enterprise edition, might share similar concerns. So it is a little surprising that the issue tracking features have been as neglected.

    1. Re:If GitHub was open source... by MartinG · · Score: 2

      gitlab.com is fully open source and is enjoying good growth, including commercially.

      Avoiding being open source because you don't understand how to create a modern business model around it is a problem that largely went away over a decade ago.

      Keeping the lights on vs being open source is a false dichotomy.

      Ultimately, gitlab (or something like it) will win, because the users will develop the features they need instead of moaning about it.

      I'm not certain, but it seems you are also mixing free of charge with open source.

      I'm also an open source developer, and I also use and pay for open source software. I'm much more likely to pay for open source than closed source in general.

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    2. Re:If GitHub was open source... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      It would take maybe a week or two for a competent programmer to setup their own project management system

      Or GitHub can do it for you for $7/month. How much time does that buy you from a competent programmer?

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  4. Re:Wonder if they'll drop the social justice BS to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The parent comment shouldn't have been modded down.

    The use of "social justice" as an online weapon of sorts is actually a very serious issue for many of who have considered using GitHub.

    There's the whole Open Code of Conduct debacle. On that very page, under the "What companies or communities support or use the Open Code of Conduct?" section, it clearly states "GitHub".

    I encourage everyone to read the code of conduct for themselves. It's just absurd how detailed and controlling that code of conduct actually is.

    But it's even crazier when it comes to stuff like its "reverse -isms" clause, which basically makes discrimination against certain groups of people mandatory!

    You can read some of the comments supporting the code of conduct. It's unbelievable how hypocritical, contradictory and just outright hateful so many of the Open Code of Conduct's supporters are.

    Code of conducts like that, and the people who support them, aren't there to foster a friendly, open community. They're there to brutally control others, and to force their views and opinions on others through censorship and harassment, even while claiming that such behavior is wrong!

    I want absolutely nothing to do with those people, their twisted ideas, their rampant hypocrisy, and their atrocious codes of conduct. That's why I can't bring myself to use GitHub.

  5. Re:Wonder if they'll drop the social justice BS to by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So you look at someone who appears to be white and male and based only on gender and race you ASSUME that they must also be rich and personally guilty of some *-ism or another?

    If you somehow have proven to you that they are wealth impaired you presume them to be ignorant?

    I note that you seem to have no problem using the pejorative "redneck".

  6. Re:Wonder if they'll drop the social justice BS to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even if reverse racism were remotely equivalent to racism, which it is, because it is racism, plain and simple.

    It's incredibly hypocritical to think any grouping of people is without fault. Racism is racism, and it should be treated as such no matter which grouping of people is attacking which grouping.

    An allegation of reverse racism is an allegation of racism, just different to the perceived-most-common-form and thus should be treated exactly the same as any other allegation of racism. (And like any other allegation, an individual allegation may or may not be true, no matter if it is 'reverse' or not.)

  7. Re:That's cool by Mashiki · · Score: 2

    A strong code of conduct also really helps, and the community is pretty good at self policing it with good tools to block trolls.

    You mean like how that "strong code of conduct" was immediately brought out to try and silence and remove actual project maintainers? Yeah, good plan. We'll just kick people out because they don't conform to our political ideology...you know. Like this where we can watch the power grab in real time. And that's why CoC's are dangerous. And why developers are speaking out against them. Or saying, you need actual expert advice. Not some whiner who wants to use it as a "diversity checkmark."

    Merit is the only CoC programming needs, you think otherwise then you're likely right there beside the people who believe that 0 programming skills and skin colour makes a person a programmer.

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  8. Re:Wonder if they'll drop the social justice BS to by Mashiki · · Score: 2

    I am aware of this position, thank you. I have been on its receiving end before, although not in a racist sense. I have no quarrel with different ethnic groups, and they have no quarrel with me. We support each other, because we're a community, and that's what community members do.

    Oh, you're not missing much in the racist sense. I personally like the grifters out there that say "you're privileged" in one sentence, then say you're an oppressed minority in the next.

    You forget: I'm a certified cis+het all-men shitlord!

    Being white/asian(or japanese)-het I get the unique chance to see the triple standards first hand at times. And all the whining that gets thrown my way too.

    I would not leave a career where I have 20+ years of experience for flipping burgers lightly.

    Neither would I, but I'd move my repositories to something besides github(which I and the company I work for has long since done). Especially since they no longer believe in merit, and are hiring professional victims for their social outreach section. What I expect is github will survive as long as they don't stick their fingers into peoples repositories too much. Though their new CoC is doing so, and angering peoples. What the pushover even will be, I can't say, but if it's anything like what's happening at twitter...when it happens, it'll be spectacular.

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