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ITU Give Consent To New 40Gbps Fiber-to-the-Home Broadband Standard

Mark.JUK writes: The International Telecommunication Union has just granted first-stage approval ("consent") to two new ultrafast Fiber-to-the-Home (FTTH) optical broadband standards. The first (NG-PON2) will support Internet download speeds of 40Gbps (Gigabits per second) and on top of that the new XGS-PON aims to deliver a symmetric 10Gbps service (same upload and download rate). By comparison, the previous XG-PON standard only ensured an asymmetric speed of 10Gbps download and 2.5Gbps upload. Now all we need is computers, Internet services and Wi-Fi networks that can actually harness such performance in the first place.

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  1. PON2? by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else read that as "P0wN2"?

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    1. Re:PON2? by Moblaster · · Score: 1

      I thought my AngularJS web site got P0wN2d.

    2. Re:PON2? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You cared enough to reply.

  2. too much speed by Moblaster · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nobody needs more than 640kbps.

    1. Re:too much speed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's fast enough to go through my 50GB monthly allowance in 10 seconds. Canada is the 3rd world of telecoms...

    2. Re:too much speed by boristdog · · Score: 1

      I wish I could get more than 4 Mbps out in the boonies where I live.

    3. Re:too much speed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well think of me in the UK with a "massive" 30Gb monthly allowance. About 6 seconds !

      Can't have the little people exchanging information ow. The buggers might start thinking...

    4. Re:too much speed by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Gigabit broadband has been available for I think over a decade now in Japan. It's actually kinda old hat, I posted a story a while back about the discontinuation of ADSL meaning that gigabit fibre is all you can get for new installs now.

      The thing is, it's gigabit but shared between a number of households, say 3 or 4. If you are lucky you might get it all to yourself, but probably not. A 40GB pipe could offer more bandwidth per customer, and more customers per fibre which means cheaper installations.

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    5. Re:too much speed by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      You jest, but some congressmen have criticized the FCC for setting the definition of "Broadband Internet" at 25Mbps. These politicians (and the ISPs that paid for them) think we'd be just fine with 10 Mbps and they can't imagine any use where we'd need faster.

      (Personally, I'm stuck on 15Mbps Time Warner Cable and really wish the network faster and more reliable.)

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    6. Re:too much speed by swb · · Score: 1

      While I agree that progress in broadband delivery has been too slow and hampered by profiteering and invented technical limitations, I can almost see why some kind of fairly high speed standard might cause issues.

      I have 15 Mbps and we seem to have no problem with two HD video streams, concurrent web and remote access sessions at this speed. I'd like faster, especially upload, so that moving 20 gigs over the net was much faster, but what exactly is the usage baseline to be established with 25 Mbps? 3 4k streams plus enough overhead for a half-dozen large file downloads?

      And once you define it at 25 Mbps, does this create regulatory headaches for smaller systems in small towns that need some kind of forklift upgrade to handle higher speeds?

    7. Re:too much speed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the probability of other households owning a box that chugs up all the bandwidth at night or when nobody else is online?

    8. Re:too much speed by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      well animated 132x88 character ascii porn can get a little choppy for zooms and pans at that rate

    9. Re:too much speed by mikael · · Score: 1

      It's easy to provide fibre-to-the-home when everyone lives in high rise apartment blocks. You just get some string, tie a weight to the end and let it haul the bundles of fibre optic cables down the risers in the building, then hook them out into each home. With cities in Eurpoe and the UK, there are thousands of streets with paving stones that have to be dug up, fibre-optic cables laid and connected to each home.

      Everyone wants to get fibre-to-the-home, but there just isn't the investment. Hyper-Optik have a map of registered interest:

      https://hyperoptic.com/map/

      As usual it's London headquartered companies who make the supreme decision as to which area should get improved communications.

      Read the Evening Standard, and you'll see business people in London who don't see "why there should be investment in fibre-optic technology in small villages around the UK, when the capital city is where all the startup ventures are located".

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    10. Re:too much speed by turbiina · · Score: 1

      I have 100Mbps fiber home optics. I can upgrade it to 200Mbps, but have no real need. 100Mbps - from local trackers I can torrent 4.7GB file in 10-15 minutes, netflix ,youtube on HD whatever works flawless. I indeed cannot imagine why I would need something faster than 100Mbps. Btw - most home routers cannot handle even 100Mbps... 10GBps - how can I utilize this ? I am not sure my computer cpu can handle such amounts of data.

    11. Re:too much speed by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Most Japanese people live in detached houses. The fibre is usually on the same poles as telephone lines and/or power lines.

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    12. Re:too much speed by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      At least in Europe, generally speaking, houses are built much closer together than they are in North America so it's cheaper to roll out fibre.

    13. Re:too much speed by antdude · · Score: 1

      You mean 640 mBps. ;)

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    14. Re:too much speed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bitrate of compressed 4K video taken by a cheap cellphone is 40-50Mbps, 25Mbps is barely enough for two decent bitrate 1080p streams.
      Once you are displaying video on a large high-definition TV instead of a small youtube window you need a surprising amount of bitrate if you don't want fast motion scenes to fall apart.

  3. It's baseband, not broadband by acoustix · · Score: 1

    Stop bastardizing the terminology.

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    1. Re:It's baseband, not broadband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's right, you know.

    2. Re:It's baseband, not broadband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People who use the term "broadband" to describe speed are borderline retarded.

  4. Wrong. by sims+2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First we need ISPs to provide broadband service.

    We can't buy it if they won't sell it.

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    1. Re:Wrong. by Kiaser+Zohsay · · Score: 2

      Now all we need is computers, Internet services and Wi-Fi networks that can actually harness such performance in the first place.

      Now all we need is someone willing to run fiber to my house.

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    2. Re:Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The field of dream; if you build it, they will come. Well, unless they're located in BFE...

    3. Re:Wrong. by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      We can't buy it if they won't sell it.

      Oh, they'll sell it . . . folks will buy it . . .

      . . . but the ISPs won't deliver the speeds that they promise . . .

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    4. Re:Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in the UK.

      I currently have the option of 1G FTTB to replace the 40M FTTC I'm currently using.
      It's not even that much more expensive as it has no land line requirement and so I'd lose monthly line rental costs.
      I could order it tomorrow and it would be in within a week.
      However, I have absolutely no need for it, and can't see I will for the forseeable future after I start 4K streaming.

      This is obviously determining standards now so the infrastructure is future-proofed, however cue rants on /. about how someone's crummy little US ADSL line only manages 2M in a major city....

    5. Re:Wrong. by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      probbably not but if they just provided 1% of the speed listed in the summary it would still be faster than anything available in town by a full 50mbps.

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    6. Re:Wrong. by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      My US AT&T ADSL2+ does 12/1 Mbps in a small (10K~ish) town.
      Its an all fiber network just ask anyone in marketing, sales and/or most anyone in support.

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    7. Re:Wrong. by auximage77 · · Score: 1

      It's sold already.. you just aren't living in the right place. https://epb.com/home-store/int...

    8. Re:Wrong. by SScorpio · · Score: 1

      Sounds like when a Uverse salesman came to my house.

      "Hey we just finished running fiber to your house, would you like to switch?".

      "What's the max speed your offering?"

      "20Mbit down..."

      That's when I starting laughing as I closed the door.

    9. Re:Wrong. by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      I haven't had a salesman come by, but they just installed Gigapower (or whatever it is) here because Google Fiber is rolling out in Atlanta. It's probably awesome, but I'm not paying over twice as much for gigabit over the Comcast service that works well enough to stream what I want. Oh, they have a special deal that looks good until you read the fine print that AT&T gets to track all your internet usage and use it to sell things to you (and probably sell you to marketers).

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    10. Re:Wrong. by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      I've got about a dozen recorded phone calls from "AT&T solutions providers" (contractors AT&T has hired to telemarket) trying to sell me uverse as a fiber optic service.

      But its not fiber in this area its ADSL2+.
      Which is odd because the city sells fiber lines up to 50/50mbps.

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    11. Re:Wrong. by Shatrat · · Score: 1

      You can buy this service right now from EPB in Chattanooga.

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    12. Re:Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume FTTC is VDSL based for the last few hundred metres?
      Assuming similar price I would move to fiber even if it was the same speed, the better reliability and lower latency is worth it even without the speed increase.

  5. 40GBs split 16:1 or 32:1 should give each home 1GB by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    40GBs split 16:1 or 32:1 at the local node should give each home 1GBS each way.

  6. Goody gumdrops! by MachineShedFred · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Fantastic! Yet another high-speed standard that will be completely ignored by the telco oligopoly here in the US. At least Europe and Asia will benefit.

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    1. Re: Goody gumdrops! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, it's good that there are small ISPs in the US burying fiber for 1Gbps GPON right now that already have an eye toward an NG-PON2 in-place upgrade... Like the one I work for :)

    2. Re:Goody gumdrops! by ickleberry · · Score: 1

      Europe won't benefit. We'll be lucky to see a roll-out of 1Gbit FTTH, which is being lambasted by some telcos as being too expensive. Then there is the problem of backhaul, and the fact that for now even speeds of 10Mbit are 'good enough' for a lot of people. They'll take higher speeds, but not willing to pay the monthly bill

    3. Re: Goody gumdrops! by Shatrat · · Score: 1

      GPON is 2.5 down and 1.25 up

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    4. Re:Goody gumdrops! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both VZ and AT&T already have NG-PON2 prototypes in their lab today, as they're available from several vendors. XGS-PON is the more likely interim step though, as wavelength tunable optics are extremely expensive and will be for at least a few more years. XGS-PON uses existing 10G EPON optics with small changes, and in practice will be barely more expensive than GPON OLT optics today.

    5. Re:Goody gumdrops! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      small provider in Holland already offers FTTH 1Gbit. Just upgraded from 50Mbit for €35,- per month, to 1Gbit for €365,- per year, €1,- per day. Necessary: No, Cheaper: Yes (just over €30,- per month).

    6. Re: Goody gumdrops! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And in practice with a 16 way split that is enough bandwidth to sell 1Gbps plans with reasonable contention.

  7. Re:40GBs split 16:1 or 32:1 should give each home by eumoria · · Score: 1

    Yea but you could split it 256:1 then still charge for a gigabit line that you get 5-10% of the time. It's what every ISP in the USA does with their 100mbit home service!

  8. FTTH is old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All the kids in Japan are on FTTA now, with most apartment rooms having multiple 100G FTTA outlets

    (fibre to the anus)

  9. AT&T, Verizon, Comcast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time for you internet providers to get with the program.... for the same price we are paying now...
    It would make up for the upgrade in the 90s that included tac breaks and incentives worth over 12 billion $, and didn't happen.

  10. Wifi at that speed? by jiriw · · Score: 1

    Wi-Fi networks that can actually harness such performance

    Decades of GBits/second of speed over WiFi? Good luck with that. Either it needs to be broad-spectrum 'just above the noise floor' (other words for 'it drowns out all other weak signals' ... can create havoc on things like GPS reception) on the conventional bands, or we need to develop radio transmitters that can broadcast in the THz spectrum. Maybe use light for wireless transmission? (Light has a frequency of 400-800 THz)

    To transmit a signal with a certain information density, you need a bandwidth at least as large as the information density in bits/second (for a 'standard mode' like PSK), unless you use 'tricks' like quadrature amplitude modulation. You can then send more bits in the same bandwidth, at the cost of successful signal detection at lower signal strength (the receiver now also must be able to differentiate between (various) amplitude level(s), not only phase shift). In other words, you need a stronger signal at the receivers end to successfully transmit more bits at the same radio bandwidth use, meaning, more noise/interference for neighbouring signals or less possible transmission distance between sender and receiver.

    If we don't want to 'polute' the entire 'conventional' radio spectrum (which is everything up to a few GHz currently with WiFi signals, we need to create technology that can transmit in a higher band. Unfortunately there are various kinds of physical and technological problems with THz frequencies. To name a few: Absorbtion by water/air molecules. Can't travel through walls. At the upper end, this is ionizing radiation (Start wearing your alu foil hats). Difficult to switch transistors at those speeds.

  11. Re:40GBs split 16:1 or 32:1 should give each home by Bengie · · Score: 2

    WDP-PON is 40Gb split 32 ways with a dedicated 1.25Gb per end point
    XG-PON1 is 10Gb down 2.5Gb split 32 ways, non-dedicated but up to 10Gb per device
    XG-PON2 is 10Gb down and up split 32 ways, non-dedicated but up to 10Gb per device
    TWDM-PON is 80Gb down and up split 32 ways, non-dedicated but up to 10Gb per device
    NG-PON2 is similar to TWDM-PON, but caps out at 40Gb for the current implementation. Where it really stands out is the standard should scale up to 25Tb/s with 100Gb per customer. This makes it desirable for a smooth upgrade path into the far future.

  12. 10gbit ftth deployment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We are currently rolling out 10gbit to our subscribers in Åtvidaberg, Sweden. The hardware does allow us to send 40gbit to each subscriber for future growth, but even 10gbit is overkill as almost everyone went for the 1gbit service ($60/m difference).

  13. Re:40GBs split 16:1 or 32:1 should give each home by Bengie · · Score: 1

    You underestimate 40Gb/s. That's probably nearly as fast your ISP's local trunk, but instead of sharing that with 100k people, you're only sharing it with 256. Few ISPs use a 256 split because of the signal strength reduction.

  14. Re:40GBs split 16:1 or 32:1 should give each home by Shatrat · · Score: 2

    TWDM-PON can actually split up to 128 ways. Most PON standards support at least 64. 32 way splits are just a conservative approach that many ISPs take. None of it really has much to do with how much bandwidth you can sell in practice. Most ISPs are going to hit backhaul and IP drain limitations long before they congest any of their PON access layer.

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  15. Re:40GBs split 16:1 or 32:1 should give each home by Shatrat · · Score: 2

    TWDM-PON only supports 128 way split. GPON only supports a 64 way split. Many ISPs are conservative and only do a 32 way split on GPON anyway just to give themselves more leeway for fiber defects.

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  16. FUCK!! by darkain · · Score: 3, Funny

    Fuck, I just got Gigabit FTTH last week... And now you're telling me it is already outdated and that I need to upgrade to 40gbps!?!? Well SHIT!

  17. Wish I had 40Mbps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would be smiling from ear-to-ear if I could get 40Mbps at home.

  18. I live in semi-rural America by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    Up until about two months ago, I was limited to 1.5M/384k DSL. AT&T finally rolled out VDSL and now I can get 12M/1M, and our neighborhood has been told that this is it. Forever. No more wireline upgrades. Ever.