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ISIS Supporters Abandon U.S. Encryption Tools As Apple-FBI Fight Rages

blottsie writes: Islamic State militants and supporters are promoting strong encryption tools from outside the United States that the American government cannot touch with legislation. In the last month, Islamic State supporters have promoted security software from Finland, Romania, America, France, the Czech Republic, Canada, Panama, Germany, Switzerland, Saint Kitts and Nevis, and other nations, a Daily Dot review found. The international availability of encryption technology, of which Islamic State militants are well aware, underscores FBI Director James Comey's long-held desire to build an international legal regime to deal with the problems posed by encryption, what he calls "going dark."

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  1. Re:Confused by MitchDev · · Score: 3, Insightful

    FBI must be desperate, trying to lump people who believe in security with terrorists...

  2. We need a new FBI director. by Brannon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The current one is shaking his fist at a storm. Why can't we hire someone who has some common sense about technology?

    You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube, encryption is here to stay--and there's nothing you can do about it.

  3. Can't roll their own? by unixisc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Islamic State supporters have promoted security software from Finland, Romania, America, France, the Czech Republic, Canada, Panama, Germany, Switzerland, Saint Kitts and Nevis, and other nations, a Daily Dot review found.

    For the people that love (falsely) claiming that they came up w/ the number system and zero, it's fascinating that they have to promote encryption software from the above countries - ALL non-Muslim - to protect their jihad-plotting communications from being broken into. Can't they get encryption software from Islamic paradises, like Malaysia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Syria, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Emirates, Iran, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, et al? Or (gasp), even roll their own in their labs in Raqqa, Mosul, Sirte...

  4. Re:Confused by aldousd666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you outlaw good cryptography, then only outlaws will have good cryptography

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  5. Way to screw yourself, FBI by rs1n · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Before the big commotion between the FBI and Apple, they (the FBI) at least had a chance of breaking into a phone (made by Apple) that was used by an ISIS member (by the help of Apple, through legal means). Now the FBI has essentially shot themselves in the foot. Their demands have basically been a loud horn warning ISIS to stay away from the very technology (phones by American companies) that they could actually get access to... 'cause... well, good luck getting foreign companies to make backdoors for you.

    1. Re:Way to screw yourself, FBI by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 4, Informative

      More than that, Apple to date has been handing over information which they actually had in their possession... iCloud data and so forth... in response to valid warrants and subpoenas. It was specifically the FBI's abuse of the all writs act, demanding that they rebuild iOS in order to introduce a security-crippling backdoor, to which Apple objected; not cooperation with law enforcement in general.

      With their current overreach, and the public spectacle they decided to make out of it, they not only cut themselves off from any information that would have been on the phones themselves in the future; they've pretty much assured that anyone using an iPhone as part of a nefarious endeavor will make sure not to upload anything to iCloud going forward. I seem to recall a fable about killing the goose that lays golden eggs.

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    2. Re:Way to screw yourself, FBI by stackOVFL · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey, wait a minute there bub. Are you telling my that "donuts on a rope" isn't proof in the Aurora? Yeah right. Lets see you use you logic on this: tomorrow is 3/3/2016: 3+3 = 6, 6/2 = 3 and 2+0+1+6=9, 9/3 = 3!. Half Life 3 CONFIRMED!

  6. Re:This article is propaganda by Lab+Rat+Jason · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thank God! Anonymous Coward is the worst member of this site... always stirring up trouble! I'll be glad to see him go!

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  7. cheating at the game. by nimbius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the US is a country spending nearly 1.4 trillion dollars per year on defense. It dwarfs the spending of the next 7 largest countries combined. Americans endured this sort of breakneck spending for 50 years under the guise that, once communism fell, we would embrace a newfound wave of peace in the west.

    instead we've invented boogeymen by hook and by crook. We invented ISIS by the iraq war. We invented the iraq war by weapons of mass destruction. we invented the war on terror by 9/11. we invented 9/11 by founding and training al-quaeda. we invented al-quaeda by funding an training the mujahadeen. we invented the war in afghanistan by proxy through our desire to defeat russias communism. we invented communism as a threat through the implicit desire of our oligarchy and capital class to disarm any real objection to capitalism by any means necessary.

    now we're faced with a guerilla enemy, as we were when we created most of our proxy wars in central and south america...but the rules have changed. our "wars" before were innocuous as they werent winnable or loseable, only profitable. we would fight until public opinion turned, then broker a peace deal and leave. Sometimes with oil contracts, other times with infrastructure contracts. Now with the advent of a perfect shield by which our newly created enemy can conceal their intent, we are all but on a level playing field. an actor needs no longer obtain advanced weapons or tactics to defeat us, they merely need to plan extensively.

    the solution is to step back from the carter doctrine of foreign policy, and deprecate our dependency on defense economy.

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    1. Re:cheating at the game. by ITRambo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Great summary of how the US military-industrial complex works in today's world. Eisenhower's farewell address warned of the power this growing (at the time) hybrid group of military leaders and defense contractors has. They aren't about to give it up for the sake of a better world.

    2. Re:cheating at the game. by tnk1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm sorry, but while there are definitely unforeseen consequences in some of those events, we didn't "invent" communism as a threat. Communism did that all by themselves. Communism from the beginning was a theory that expected the export of revolution, and violent revolution at that. It was right and proper to fight it head on. While workers were certainly being exploited by owners, there are still other ways than exporting violence.

      Now, if you were to suggest that it is possible that fighting monsters makes it easier to make a monster out of yourself, I would not disagree. However, let's not lose ourselves in the blame game and mistake cause for effect. There are things you fight against because they are wrong, but there is also a battle within to ensure that you don't become just as bad. There are two different things.

      Losing the second battle doesn't mean the first was wrong to fight. If someone was to attack my wife, I would be 100% right to get that person away from her, and put him in a position that he could not hurt her again by knocking him on his ass.

      However, if I was then to go burn his house down and torture and then kill his family because I was so consumed by rage that I wanted to end his entire genetic line, then I've gone too far.

      In the second "part" of the scenario one could certainly suggest to me that I have done worse to this person than he ever did to me, but don't tell me that I had no right to end the initial threat that he posed. The question instead is one of self-control and perspective.

      Should we have done everything possible to end Communism, including supporting dictators? I don't think so. Should we have opposed Communism directly and without compromise for the evils in that system? Absolutely yes. We made the right decision, we just failed to avoid entering the mud with the pigs.

    3. Re:cheating at the game. by butchersong · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well I'm not going to get into our conduct in the middle east but our navy does essentially enable the modern world, enforcing maritime law and safe trade on the oceans. Of course I suppose that enables the consumer culture and oursourcing of labor and manufacturing.. but that is another argument.

  8. The FBI isn't desperate at all by sjbe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    FBI must be desperate, trying to lump people who believe in security with terrorists...

    Not desperate. Just self interested and politically savvy. Accusing someone you oppose politically of being soft on or aligned with crime/terrorism is one of the oldest plays in politics. It's how we end up with absurd things like mandatory minimum and three strikes laws that do nothing to prevent crime. It's how we end up with a prison camp in Cuba, extraordinary rendition, torture, etc and the government doing nothing about it. Speak out against those things and you just feed ammo to your political enemies.

    The FBI wants their job to be as easy as possible. They'll pay lip service to observing the constitution but at the end of the day they'll take making their job easier over your civil rights every time.

  9. Re:"US" != "America" by tnk1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, but no other country in the Americas goes by "America". You either say it is from the Americas (which is probably what they meant) or you say North or South America.

    You could say that calling it the "United States" is also wrong, because Mexico is actually officially, the "United States of Mexico". The fact is that, no one from Mexico or the US really cares.

    Referring to the US as "America" is pretty much accepted by everyone, including the other people living on the American continents. They don't really care if the US has used the shorthand.

    And I should also note that the USA is the oldest existing independent country in the Americas, so the short hand made even more sense at the beginning.

  10. Re:Here we go again... by GLMDesigns · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How many bombs were dropping on their head in 1993 (first WTC). How many bombs were dropping on their heads in 2001?

    Maybe the topic is more complicated than Western bombing causing terrorism.

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  11. Re:Ain't gonna stop a hellfire missile.... by GlennC · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Analysts will double check the location to verify that the target is legit before sending off a drone.

    That's a good one...their check will be, "Are they brown and in the Middle East? Then we're good to go."

    After all the blown up wedding parties in Afghanistan, the military is trying to avoid those mistakes.

    They're only trying to avoid the publicity.

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  12. Re:"US" != "America" by Zak3056 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Referring to the US as "America" is pretty much accepted by everyone other than pedants and people with an axe to grind .

    FTFY.

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  13. going dark by frovingslosh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sure, you can argue that the government insisting on crippling United States industry will only make United States corporations go dark and that unbreakable encryption is certainly a capability of industry outside the United States. But you are foolish if you do. That would simply allow the government to continue to pretend this is about ISIS. Clearly it isn't, it is about the government's war against its own citizens.

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  14. Re:Not dark. by penguinoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But seriously, encryption is for the government what a time-locked fridge is for a fatso. They just can't help themselves, they got no impulse control, they need help. Encryption is the solution to help a government that can't help themselves.

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