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Kim To N. Korean Military: Be Ready To Use Nuclear Weapons At Any Time (reuters.com)
PolygamousRanchKid writes with this story from Reuters, excerpting: North Korean leader Kim Jong Un ordered his country to be ready to use its nuclear weapons at any time and to turn its military posture to "pre-emptive attack" mode in the face of growing threats from its enemies, state media said on Friday. The comments, carried by the North's official KCNA news agency, marked a further escalation of tension on the Korean peninsula after the U.N. Security Council on Wednesday imposed harsh new sanctions against the isolated state for its nuclear program. South Korea's defense ministry said on Thursday North Korea launched several projectiles off its coast into the sea up to 150 kilometers (90 miles) away, an apparent response to the U.N. sanctions. ... North Korea has previously threatened pre-emptive attacks on its enemies including South Korea, Japan and the United States. Military experts doubt it has yet developed the capability to fire a long-range missile with a miniaturized warhead to deliver a nuclear weapon as far as the United States.
Says PolygamousRanchKid: "Oh, joy oh joy... I knew that 2016 was missing something: the threat of nuclear war!"
There is no real risk of a nuclear strike coming out of NK. The real deterrent they have is the massed conventional artillery pointed at Seuol. Any attack on NK would have to be so overwhelming as to destroy the artillery in a minute. If not millions of civilians die.
Look at the bright side - the day after a North Korea 1st strike, the problem with North Korea will be solved. Or at least disappear.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
I live in Seoul and no one I know is even slightly concerned about this guy. No one is scared and no one cares.
Ignore him.
North Korea is now all-in on their nuclear-weapons gambit. What North Korea's endgame might be remains unknown, least of all to its young, inexperienced leader Kim Jong UnKim
Mostly because people who have seriously studied the DPRK military note their military is like the military divisions in Moscow during the Soviet era: all show and no go. Many have said that the DPRK military may not even have enough ammunition and military hardware to mount a full-scale invasion of South Korea.
He took one look at American's presidential candidates and said to himself: "Self, if I don't do something fast, I'll lose my title as craziest man on the planet."
They don't have to have an ICBM, just get an object into orbit and they can drop it anywhere provided they have enough math skills
Eh... that's basically the definition of ICBM.
I suppose you could argue if they are actually launching a satellite into a stable *orbit* that would eventually drop a nuke with any accuracy it wouldn't technically be ballistic - but in that cast it's an order of magnitude more complex than an ICBM so what's the point...
errr.... which takes the MUCH more powerful rocket system and more accurate guidance? to do sub-orbital lob and hit a target, or put object fully into orbit, to de-orbit later and hit a target?
Says PolygamousRanchKid: "Oh, joy oh joy... I knew that 2016 was missing something: the threat of nuclear war!"
We don't need this stupid bullshit in the summary. I'll read the comments if I want stupid bullshit.
so guess the western powers need to throw rocks on another buggie man/hornets nest/
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
He got the downmod for doing it wrong. What a bunch of noobz we're cursed with, these days. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
No, not really. The only real nuclear risk to the US would be a bomb smuggled into a port. I'm sure this is possible but the actual damage from that would be minimal. Also the risk of getting caught is extremely high. That sort of operation would produce too much chatter to not get detected.
Do not confuse the operational skills of NK operatives with the idiot jihadists in the middle east. The NK operatives are highly trained and extremely proficient special forces types. The NK's aren't very chatty.
Also don't fixate on city killers. Contaminating a city block or even a room would have a massive effect in the US. And a massive response.
So basically, you want to nuke North Korea because you want to nuke North Korea.
And you assume that Kim is not a rational actor. That's a big assumption. Especially since he seems to have proved himself quite adept already at removing possible threats to the power that he was born and raised to assume as the scion of a Stalinist dynasty.
(And I am also an EU citizen, and you most certainly do not speak for me.)
Thanks for playing!
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
So he picks a fight and some good and innocent people die, but 100% of his country gets vaporised in the counter strike. He had better check the weather before he wumps SK too, because at the moment the fallout would poison most of eastern China. Or does he realise that and is trying to intimidate Xi Jinping as well? Somehow I don't think that strategy is likely to go well for him.
Cue cartoons of him in a nappy trying to count on his fingers, because that is the magnitude of his arsenal and the nature of his behaviour.
Sorry I don't give NK military the level of credit you do. I doubt that they are particularly well trained or well equipped. They are also not combat tested to any degree.
Do not confuse the NK military in general with the NK special operations types. Its night and day. They're special operations types are highly capable and have proven it in South Korea. For example in the 1990s a NK reconnaissance team infiltrated South Korea by submarine and successfully surveilled a navy base for several days. When the sub came back to pick them up the sub ran aground. Classified equipment was destroyed and then the recon team executed the sailors and tried to make it to NK on foot. They were discovered and evaded the South Korean military for over a month, killing and wounding several dozen South Korean soldiers in the process. Most of the recon team was killed during this long hunt, one is thought to have made it to NK.
On another occasion a NK sub got caught in a fishing vessels nets. Its seems to have scuttled itself when the South Korean Navy tried to take it. The water was shallow enough for divers to search it. Evidence of numerous successful recon mission on South Korean territory was found.
At this point, we really won't even mind if you keep it as a "communist" buffer state. Just install a saner puppet. Really. We won't mind that much. Do it. DO IT. DO IT!!!!
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
Why not consider an expert's opinion? I point you to the work of Andrei Lankov and in particular a recent (Feb 1, 2016) Q&A he did with the Korea and the World podcast. He's traveled to China and spoken with officials there about the relationship with North Korea—it is in better shape than the media lets on. Also he talks a bit about the current state of the economy and the growth of private markets—they are thriving and being allowed to do so. The conclusion is that North Korea is much more stable than most would give them credit—especially the South Korean propaganda machine—and that despite appearances Kim Jong Un may actually be allowing an openness not previously seen in North Korea. This is demonstrated by the decrease in the number defectors over the last two years and the general increase in the standard of living. source: http://www.koreaandtheworld.or...
I wonder if the Baby God Dictator of the Norks has minions who are smart enough to shoot his ass before letting him destroy their country?
If the Norks pop off a nuke, it will be the last thing they ever do.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
I'd rather have articles about programming and computers, really.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Nuclear weapons aren't necessarily missiles, nor even nuclear bombs. Nuclear weapons include dirty bombs, nuclear dusting and various other things. Some of the later only require WW2 era technology. North Korea is capable of attacking the US with these older technologies.
Dirty bombs are the strategic equivalent of poking a polar bear with a small twig.
Good thing NK is run by a rational grounded person who would never do something so stupid, no matter how desperate.
"special operations types are highly capable and have proven it ... the sub ran aground ... recon team executed the sailors ... Most of the recon team was killed..."
"Highly capable" doesn't mean what you think it means.
"National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
The US does not hate China dude. If North Korea attacked China, the US would assist- if China needed help swatting that fly, which they would not.
Your whole preconception is wrong.
LOL, hell no.
The fact is Americans love the Chinese. We buy their products like crazy. We love their food. We admire their art, exotic language and respect their ancient heritage. We welcome their people to study and work here. Sure we complain about the trade imbalance and the gamesmanship between our governments. But for the things that really matter they are our brothers and would instantly and without hesitation rally to their aid.
Make no mistake, if North Korea would actually use nuclear weapons in anger against *anybody*, it would cease to exist as a political entity in less than a week.
Greed is the root of all evil.
"Funny how you never protested when the off-topic, non-tech stories agreed with your point of view".
I have. Less often, because it's well-covered by many others here.
As a conservative you have failed to notice that in the past couple of decades, the Fox News approach (a conservative lie is just as good as the truth...they've been caught so many times I've lost track) passes as "fair debate".
What you're seeing here is an invasion by the right wing echo chamber. Debunked lies cycle through over and over again, no matter how often they're refuted, and every objective fact has its carefully-crafted, time-wasting conservative cut-and-past boilerplate response.
If you want more of that kind of drek, go to Fox News. Please quit polluting decent websites and wasting the time of intelligent people with your paranoid, agenda-driven bullshit.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
Lankov is Russian and is based in Russia. Do I really have to point out that nobody in Russia is a reliable source of information under Putin? For all you or I know, he has Kremlin ties. I do think it's certainly possible that private markets are helping stability, I'm not convinced that Lankov doesn't have an agenda straight from Putin and for a variety of reasons it is in Putin's interests at the moment to paint North Korea in a picture as rosy as possible. I have read Victor Cha's book _The Impossible State_ and I recommend it. Cha points out that China basically has no choice but to support North Korea. They don't want refugees flooding over the border, which not only would cost them money but would take up valuable resources they are going to need to keep the population in line as the economy declines. China lost Taiwan, perhaps forever, as a result of going to North Korea's aid in the Korean War. This is still a major sticking point for them. Their desire to have complete control over Taiwan is insatiable. Also, China paid a real price in blood to save North Korea, including the loss of one of Mao's sons. And finally to give China something for their support, North Korea is basically letting them ravage the environment to dig up rare earths that China pays a huge discount for. Cha states that while China has more influence than they are willing to use most of the time, they actually have less real influence than is commonly believed in the west. North Korea knows that ultimately it can do what it wants because there are real limits to how much China will push back.
How did that work out for Germany when the wall came down? NK has virtually no production capacity or skilled labor, and would be a drain on the ROK economy for years before things got better.
Just another day in Paradise
Costly at first to feed and house millions of Germans who had been starving for two generations and had been used to planned poverty, but they caught up surprisingly fast.
Koreans have been one people since the beginning of history. We tend to forget that the whole idea of North Korea dates back only to the immediate postwar years. NK is a fake country that has existed this long only because of the perceived support of China, which is now finding the place to be more trouble than it's worth. When the wall comes down. no matter what the reason, Both Korea will immediately cease to exist, and there won't even be any equivalent of Ostalgie.
It is gullible to think that Kim Jong Un is insane? He pokes SK, Japan, and the US on a regular basis. He has attacked SK previously, and fires off missiles and explodes nukes as a temper tantrum every year when the US and SK have their annual cooperation drills.
The guy is clearly crazy, the only reason they won the Korean war was due to China's support, and he has managed to alienate China, their closest ally, by setting off nukes after they told him to quit it.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Such a near sighted comment. -Wishing- an attack and deaths of many thousands and possibly millions of people just to 'stomp' an army into the ground.
This isn't a video game, these are people's lives. Losing your parents, children, loved ones, and/or family is horrible every single time.
Please don't think of wars at a macro level with a 'winner' and 'loser'. At the micro level, it's devastating; brothers that live their lives without limbs, children born without eyes, and sometimes lifetime poverty for families.
I'm so appreciative of the fact that I've grown up without this is my life, but I do think it's made everyone forget about the real life impact wars have on people.