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San Bernadino D.A. Says Shooter's Phone Could Harbor "Cyber Pathogen" (theguardian.com)
Mr.Intel writes with the Guardian's report that : San Bernadino D.A. has a novel argument for why Apple should be forced to provide the FBI with tools to decrypt the iPhone once used by mass-shooter Syed Rizwan Farook: a "dormant cyber pathogen," he says, could have been unleashed by the county's electronic infrastructure, and only by examining the phone's content can any really be sure. From the article: The questionable claim comes from Ramos's amicus brief in the case, filed with the US District Court on Thursday afternoon. In it, Ramos supports the FBI's argument that Apple should be compelled to build a one-use version of its operating system to load on to the seized phone – used by the mass-murderer, but still technically property of his employer, San Bernardino county – in order to weaken the security and allow the Government to brute-force the shooter's passcode. ... Ramos said: 'The iPhone is a county owned telephone that may have connected to the San Bernardino County computer network. The seized iPhone may contain evidence that can only be found on the seized phone that it was used as a weapon to introduce a lying dormant cyber pathogen that endangers San Bernardino County's infrastructure and poses a continuing threat to the citizens of San Bernardino County'.
San Bernardino D.A. admitted he made the whole thing up.
You don't have to read the news to know there's no way this is a serious possibility.
Perhaps the phone contains unicorns farting rainbows. I am sure that looking for unicorns would be good reason to crack the phone.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
No need to even speculate, it's just absurdity on the surface. A totally non-technical person made up a new "security" term to scare people. If you want to find a link countering it, it's trivial - including quotes from the DA that he made it up...
http://arstechnica.com/tech-po...
Link to Ars Technica version of original story, which was updated to say that it is a non-issue: http://arstechnica.com/tech-po...
Link to Ars Technica story on the fact that the first story was false: http://arstechnica.com/tech-po...
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Its in the article that Apple's iphone security guy said that the "cyber pathogen" was a unicorn. I'm not surprised at the D.A. lying to make his case. Cops do it all the time. Politicians are born to lie.
The ONLY CURE for a "lying dormant cyber pathogen" is for the phone to be boiled in holy water.
Next filing Ramos will argue there might be a cyber demon hiding there just like the one on Buffy, ready to eat the souls of all Americans except the atheists.
The seized iPhone may contain evidence that can only be found on the seized phone that it was used as a weapon to introduce a lying dormant cyber pathogen that endangers San Bernardino County's infrastructure and poses a continuing threat to the citizens of San Bernardino County.
Look, we know they had guns. That's just the part we know about.
What we *don't* know is whether these nefarious masterminds also had a cyber malworm with nuclearized darkweb spearphishing viruses that could use long-blockchain cloud replication vectors to infect all the computers in San Bernadino AND THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THEM!!
Only by decrypting the phone can we be 100% sure it doesn't contain such a doomsday "cyber pathogen."
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If you assert the existence of a "cyber-pathogen," there's no reason to stop at one phone... why not decrypt and search every phone? Only way to be sure...
Think of a computer illiterate trying to sound as smart as possible talking about a virus for the first time. If you substitute "trojan virus" for "lying dormant cyber pathogen", it sounds a lot more realistic.
I'm not 100% sure, but isn't this something from the movie Hackers?
Didn't the bad guy manage to get the FBI to chase down the kids because of a cyber pathogen?
I wonder if this cyber pathogen is named "The DaVinci Virus".
It worked for the guys in the movies... maybe it'll work for the lawyer.
It is truly county property, but it would appear the FBI directed the county IT staff to reset the iCloud password, preventing the phone from backing itself up and creating this whole conundrum to start with.
It could have anything.
Let's unlock it because it "could have":
1/ The secret to unlimited green energy
2/ A list of the sporting records for the next century
3/ A picture of a cat in a box
4/ The entire global drug supply network's name and addresses
5/ The location of the largest weapons grade plutonium deposit in the universe
6/ The source code for Windows 22
7/ Nothing at all interesting
FFS: make a decent case as to what it probably has.
Asian people will eat anything. They are disgusting.
Tic
We eat what keeps us alive. Asians have an odd diet due to what's available, Japanese eat anything out of the sea, and the United States will eat anything disguised as meat.
Yup. Terrorists kill people. Drug dealers kill people or deal drugs which kill people. Pedophiles abuse children.
And you know what, the authorities and governments fucking LOVE to use those guys to create or abuse laws in order to give themselves new and expanded powers. We already know that there's not just one phone, but at least 17 other cases where they're asking for pretty much the same fucking thing (and none of those terrorists). All they need is a nice precedent and a year from now they'll be using it break open the phones of everyone charged slightly above littering or jaywalking. It'll also be very helpful when they seize mobile devices at those ever-growing "borders" from pesky reporters or political types.
The authorities have already said they don't really know that there's anything useful on the phone (but we have to do everything, just in case). Given the wiretaps and other B.S. they've already been pulling, it's probably also a safe bet that most of it (if not all) they have already. But evidence gathered through illegal clandestine means can't be used in court, so you've gotta set a precedent for a nice new "legal" method.
Sorry, but I applaud Apple for taking a strong stance on this, unlike the fuckers at Amazon who decided the best way to deal with the issue is to preemptively remove device-encryption with their latest (mandatory) update.
Even though the whole "pathogen" thing is retarded beyond belief, if it is truly county property, then IMO it's a no brainer to let the government access it.
Of course.
The government should have their most excellent programmers access it. No one wants to prevent the government from accessing something they have permission to access. So their most excellent programmers should do an end run around Large Number Theory, and magically access it.
Or they could just apply to a FISA court for a warrant, and ask the NSA for the data, since the NSA PRISM program monitors the communications that would have been used to back up things like the address book in the first place.
No need to involve Apple at all!
Colin Powell will be warning the UN General Assembly about it later this week, and plans to show them a vial of deadly cyber pathogen to prove it!
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
It seems reasonable to me that San Bernardino county could ask Apple, politely, to please break the encryption. No warrant, no lawsuit, no precedent. Just a customer request.
Because if it's a polite request from a customer, large number theory and computability theory don't apply any more?
Can we get an H-1B in here to do STEM stuff for this guy?
If the iPhone holds a "Cyber Pathogen" then it must be destroyed, because the second that iPhone is unlocked by an Apple intervention the cyber pathogen could spread through the whole United States and infect everything from your pocket calculator to your android smartphone.
It is a threat that must be destroyed, incinerate that phone right now
(Because I'm just fed up with the whole order to encrypt and denying battle of Apple, that we should all know is a big charrade by Apple, because if it had been requested silently they'd done it.)
Just get it over with!
Except a Trojan and a Virus are two entirely different types of malware.
Back to the topic though, the D.A. is talking out his ass regurgitating hollywood movie bullshit in an attempt to stir up fear in the ignorant masses to get what he wants. I bet he still believes computers run on pixie dust.
That phone could also contain:
- The solution to a number of longstanding open mathematical problems
- The answer to the ultimate question about Life, Universe and Everything
- Proof to put Snowden and friends in jail forever
- The undeniable identity of JFK murderer
- A tiny piece of code that could make windows much faster than Linux
We do all need to unlock that phone, definitely!
Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
Asians will see a pile of shit on the ground and the first thing that pops into their heads is "Can I eat that?"
Gelatin blood cubes, century eggs, dogs, cats, monkey brains, elephant feet, tarantulas...there is nothing that asians won't stick into their mouths.
I've lived in the Philippines, the family invited to many Filipino parties which included a feast of food, nothing there I wouldn't eat except Balut (your century eggs). Yet the eggs seen as quite a delicacy.
Rats, yes at carnival's they came flayed on a stick and eaten as a treat. Again something I've never given a try.
Cats, can't say, they are rather rare and can't I remember seeing any.
Monkey brains, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... says it's a tribal thing. I've never heard of them as food outside of a tv program that made it seem a rare and expensive indulgence.
Dogs, yes as a boy scout in the Philippines a yearly event was to walk 50 miles of the Bataan death march, during which I've seen a few dogs laid out being butchered. I've lived all over the world (Air Force dependent) in many Asian/non-Asian countries I see dog as a dietary main stay when they can be found, or raised.
As I understand it there's no nutritional value in poop, so more energy eating it than it provides. Plus the sanitary facilities make it rather hard to acquire.
The rest of your list (elephant feet, tarantulas (spiders)) I can imagine them being eaten, but not by the general populous as they aren't common but to a small area.
A tribe in Central America eat huge spiders common in that area, they toss them into a fire and turn till done (History channel).
Asians will see a pile of shit on the ground and the first thing that pops into their heads is "Can I eat that?"
Gelatin blood cubes, century eggs, dogs, cats, monkey brains, elephant feet, tarantulas...there is nothing that asians won't stick into their mouths.
Of course. Basic human survival depends on obtaining nutrition to keep your body functioning. The first reaction should always be "can I eat that". In that way the Asians are no different than the Americans, only that you at some point decided that you'll eat things based on look and opinion rather than nutritional value.
I find it funny that you have no problem eating the remains of an animal that spends it's life rolling in a mudpile and it's own shit with a side of a chicken's period for breakfast, but can criticise someone eating an animal that spends a disproportionate amount of it's time keeping itself clean (cat).
Funny side story in Australia we got news of the European scandal where someone was substituting horse meat in pre-packaged lasagnes. I heard this news on the way home from the local market where a German butcher sells delicacies. 2 friends of mine in the car lost their mind and were disgusted at the prospect.
I bought a horse salami at that butcher and just kept quiet.
wouldn't opening up the phone not RELEASE that dormant cyber pathogen?
to the idea that probable cause should mean that the cause be near the 1.0 end of probability and not the 0.0 end?
And KKK members, neo-nazies, and gun nuts vote on yours...
Let's see what Wikipedia has to say on this:
The members of the first Klan in the South were exclusively Democrats.
If reading is too demanding for you, try this video, they explain the long love story between the KKK and the Democrats.
http://www.newstalk1130.com/on...
Besides, people in the video I shared previously are not extremists, they are regular Obama supporters. If you have to use a (flawed) KKK example to "balance out" their ignorance, you've pretty much made my point for me.
lucm, indeed.
The KKK was founded by Democrats and the membership remained mostly Democrats for a long time after the Republicans fought slavery. And there's plenty of racism in the history of the Democratic party after that, such as Woodrow Wilson who segregated the military and federal employees (which was undone by a Republican, Eisenhower).
Associating the KKK to Republicans to paint a racist picture of the GOP is dishonest and lazy.
lucm, indeed.