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Kremlin Falls For Its Own Fake Satellite Imagery (thedailybeast.com)
An anonymous reader writes: The Turkish downing of the Russian SU-24 jet last November saw a predictable series of statements from each side claiming complete innocence and blaming the other entirely. Social media was a key battleground for both sides — the Turkish and Russian governments, along with their supporters — as each tried to establish a dominant narrative explanation for what had just happened. In the midst of the online competition, a little-observed, funhouse mirror of an online hoax was brilliantly perpetrated, one with consequences likely exceeding the expectation of the hoaxster. The Russian Ministry of Defense was duped by a fake image that Russian state media itself had circulated more than a year earlier, as a way to deny Moscow's involvement in the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.
I don't usually read "The Daily Beast", and a quick scan of TFA confirms the wisdom of that choice. I have better things to do than waste time incredulously reading sentence after sentence of rancid, vicious libel - which is transparently fictional. Two issues are touched on, MH17 and the Su-24. (The whole idea that social media can provide any reliable evidence in such matters is, like everything else "The Daily Beast" publishes, obviously ridiculous).
1. The salient facts about MH17 are that, whereas most airliner crashes are investigated within a few months and comprehensive reports published, nearly two years after the MH17 crash no satisfactory report has been published. The only really indisputable fact is that the disaster happened over the territory of Ukraine, which is therefore responsible until proof is given of some other agency. The Ukrainian authorities failed to close the airspace, although they knew it was dangerous; they claim that both their civil and military radars were switched off at the time (completely unbelievable); and they immediately blamed Russia within minutes of the crash, although they could not possibly have had any hard evidence so soon. (Especially without any working radars). Further, the US government immediately claimed that "the Russians did it" and that there was a whole mass of evidence; yet to this day they have not published a single scrap of that evidence. Satellite images would be a good start - it is known that US satellites were in position to see everything that happened. The only conceivable reason why that imagery has not been published is that it contradicts the official US/Ukrainian story. Whether MH17 was shot down by a SAM or by air-to-air missiles fired from a fighter, or by cannon fire, or some combination of these, has not been determined. Whichever was the case, the facts strongly suggest Ukrainian agency rather than the Russians or the Donbass militias, as it was directly contrary to their interests. The Ukrainian regime, on the other hand, systematically lies and continually engages in self-destructive behaviour.
2. The salient facts about the Su-24 assassination are that the Russian aircraft encroached on Turkish airspace for only a few seconds (if at all); that the F-16 that shot it down came from an airbase over an hour's flight away, so it must have been refuelled in the air and loitered waiting for the Su-24; and that the accurate interception and engagement, without the use of the F-16's attack radar, prove that NATO radar systems must have vectored it in. Nothing else is really important, although it could be mentioned that Turkish military aircraft regularly encroach far more severely on the air space of Syria and Greece; and that the Russian aircraft was attacking murderous Takfiri terrorists, proving that Turkey shot it down in order to protect those terrorists, who are its (and the USA's) creatures.
Anyone who is interested in getting at the truth might care to look at the following two articles (out of hundreds that I could cite):
http://russia-insider.com/en/t...
http://russia-insider.com/en/s...
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
More like, "Fuck the Russian government for giving advanced anti-aircraft tech to a bunch of drunken idiots who managed to hit the wrong plane."
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
That's some good disinfo. I hope they're paying you well for it.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
What else is the regime in Kiev to be called? Even the current (illegal) "President" Petro Poroshenko has publicly admitted that the overthrow of his predecessor, President Yanukovych, was illegal.
'In a remarkable document, which is not posted at the English version of the website of the Constitutional Court of Ukraine, but which is widely reported outside the United States, including Russia, Poroshenko, in Ukrainian (not in English), has petitioned the Constitutional Court of Ukraine (as it is being widely quoted in English):
'“I ask the court to acknowledge that the law ‘on the removal of the presidential title from Viktor Yanukovych’ as unconstitutional.”
'The official Ukrainian news-agency, Interfax-Ukraine, headlined this on June 20th, “Poroshenko asking Constitutional Court to recognize law stripping Yanukovych of presidential title as unconstitutional”'.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com...
As for "Russia Insider" being owned by the Russian government, can you please post details of how you know that to be true? If you don't, I'll assume your statement is unsupported.
It's irrelevant anyway. The reason I read sources such as RI and RT (among many others) is that the Western mainstream media are completely useless as impartial sources for international news. For a variety of reasons they have all been substantially subverted by Western governments - ironically, it is the Western MSM that is effectively government-owned, whereas RI and RT are relatively accurate and objective.
And, whereas you and others persist in calling me a troll, I am beginning to be fairly sure that it is you who are (mostly, at any rate) trolls. You do not seem to be in the least interested in facts, figures, logic, sources, or truth. If anyone dares to disagree with you, you simply insult them in the hope that they will give up in disgust. Well, I shan't. I am sure that many Slashdotters have open minds and want to know the truth, and it is worth putting up with a little childish mudslinging to help them.
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.