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Amazon Backpedals On Encryption, But Fire "Still Sucks"

Just a day after it made headlines for announcing that it would remove encryption from its line of FireOS devices, reports Ars Technica, the company has reverted the change, and says that encryption will again be a user-selectable option, with an update to come sometime this Spring. Judging from comments here on Slashdot, that ought to please a lot of people. However, encryption isn't the Fire's only problem; Ricki Jennings at ComputerWorld has collected some of the user reaction to the change, and says that anemic hardware means that even with this small course correction, the Fire tablets themselves "still suck." I'm not so sure; I bought one of the low-end Fire tablets and returned it, disappointed not in the hardware (seemed not bad at all for $50, with a decent screen, snappy video, and sound that was better than reviews had led me to expect) but rather by the intentional limitations of the OS itself.

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  1. Review notes by um...+Lucas · · Score: 4, Informative

    I bought a Fire on the first day of release as well, and set very low expectations for it based on how much I was paying. Ultimately, all I ever use it for is to watch movies I've downloaded on flights. It's Browser performance (just performing DNS lookups as far as I can tell from the UI, forget about getting pages to render) is anemic at best. I haven't even bother installing any applications that I could use to create or add data to it (like a text editor, dropbox, or even a non-throwaway email address), but I'm sure some people do that.

    Oh on the plus side, it plays Minecraft like a champ, so it's useful for quieting the house.

    Just amused that it can render rudimentary 3-D graphics, play full screen, full motion video, but I can't even use it to visit Slashdot...

    1. Re: Review notes by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Informative

      I wish the bootloader weren't locked but they don't prevent you from sideloading Play Store. I got one for $40 for my daughter to take on an international trip to use as a Hangouts device and I was totally satisfied with the value and got a second one for my own use.

      I think the "with special offers" idea is fantastic - I would have bought twice if they hadn't sold out (a whole Eneloop setup for $14?). By keeping them as restricted Android devices, they're keeping lots of potential shoppers away from Special Offers. I guess they've done the math on this and it says they make more from their app store than they lose from less Amazon shopping, but the $20 price difference indicates they are losing real profit for notional profit.

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    2. Re:Review notes by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's entirely the shitty Silk browser at work there. Sideloading google services and Chrome improves that experience quite a bit. I suspect it's all the telemetry that Amazon loads.

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    3. Re: Review notes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I picked my fire up for £30 an amazons black friday sale (its starting to become a thing in the UK). The other day they emailed me to say they were recalling the charger as they were unsafe, and offered me £12 credit to buy my own. I've never used their charger, so for £18, I think this is the best value tablet I have ever bought. Sure it suck, but a no-name knockoff for that price would be aweful!

    4. Re:Review notes by Nunya666 · · Score: 2

      Just amused that it can render rudimentary 3-D graphics, play full screen, full motion video, but I can't even use it to visit Slashdot...

      Amazon must have fixed that, because I just responded to a /. post using my new (5th Generation) Fire, and it worked fine.

    5. Re: Review notes by Bartles · · Score: 4, Informative

      The bootloader is locked but you can still install cyanogen mod and have a decent fully functional tablet for 50 bucks. Go look at the XDA forums.

  2. You can de-limit the operating system by Robotech_Master · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's actually very simple to get Google Services, including the Play Store, on the Fire. You don't even have to root it—just enable developer mode, activate USB debugging, install some drivers on your PC, and sideload a software package. Then, boom: you've got the Play Store and nearly every app I've tried works just fine. (Oddly enough, Google Inbox is one that doesn't.) As a side effect, it also disables Special Offers for free.

    I gather you can go further with further hacking, outright replacing Fire OS with CyanogenMod or whatever, but I've never felt the need to. I have other pure Android devices, and this Fire the way it is is good enough.

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    1. Re:You can de-limit the operating system by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Can't you just install ES File Explorer from their store and use that to sideload stuff? That's what I did with the Fire TV Stick, which saved me from having to park myself next to the TV with a netbook for two minutes. #1WP

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    2. Re:You can de-limit the operating system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I did everything one could to unlimit it -- got it working as one would want. And found it just wouldn't chromecast. It turned out to be a known problem.

      There are other cheap tablets out there. They work better as a simple Android device.

    3. Re:You can de-limit the operating system by dk20 · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is basically a "one click" way to do this.. just takes a bit of time.

      Once i did it to my own FIRE i then installed another launcher.. basically giving me an ASUS tab (using the asus launcher) for $30 thanks to black friday.
      ASUS doesnt have anything that can come close to that price level.

      I found moving to CyanogenMod left the device unstable and atually went back to FireOS and the playstore work-around.

  3. Artificial limitations suck by iampiti · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In an era in which computers, of all kinds including smartphones and tables, are powerful enough to do most things one could ever imagine, it's irritating that manufacturers impose artificial software limitations.
    Those include: Being unable to install software from outside of an official app store (iOS and Windows Phone), being unable to uninstall certain bundled programs (You can't uninstall certain Google apps even from unlocked Android phones), being unable to install apps on SD cards (Android), etc... All of them can be summed up as not allowing the user to be root on their own device.

    1. Re:Artificial limitations suck by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do you really think Amazon would be selling the hardware that cheap if it weren't locked down? They sell a $200+ tablet for $50 because they expect you to buy more than $150+ of Amazon stuff on it. That wouldn't work very well if they just let you buy from whoever on it.

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  4. To be honest... by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

    ...the Fire tablets really are intended as media/game consumption devices, even more so than, say, the iPad. Requiring they have an encrypted file system is only one short of wanting that for your Smart TV or MP3 player.

    I don't doubt, because this is Slashdot, that a few people use them - with a stock ROM installed - for checking their email, but that's not really their purpose and Amazon doesn't go out of their way to encourage that kind of use, unlike Google Android where you pretty much set up Google's groupware suite as part of the setting it up process, and unlike phones where you have all of the above plus the mandatory text messaging.

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  5. Devices for non-nerds don't need nerd-features by acroyear · · Score: 2

    So the hardware and the O/S is a little limiting? Fine. It isn't the type of device you need.

    On the other hand, all of the ridiculous levels of settings and personalizations and all that on a 5.1.1 or 6.0 Android box is too much for my parents to want to argue with.

    There's something to be said for "works well enough". As developers we should not forget that, lest a simpler product line come along and put your complex fully-featured super-product out to dry, no matter what features the new upstart is missing.

    I'm not saying Amazon's Fire will do that to Android, as the tablet market right now is still pretty large and has room for all (and of course, Fire could easily re-enable Android features they've suppressed at a moment's notice should the demand truly be there). But it is something to consider that not all products are the right fit for all audiences.

    I have a Fire that I use for reading at night (Feedly, Pocket, and Facebook - all the links i've saved throughout the day - and kindle books if i'm still awake after all that). It works perfect for that purpose (I also use it as test platform for my apps since i'm targeting that easier-to-use market).

    But I take a Samsung Tab 4 with me during the day, because that's the better one for when I want interactive stuff or games or things that require Google Play Services and all that.

    Right tool for the right job and the right audience.

    (That said, FireOS 5 did have a few really annoying bugs I've had to work around, but nevermind... :) )

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  6. Re: The Washington Post sucks too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    We're all sorry to hear that you lost your job at Amazon.

  7. Re:encryption != encryption ? by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    I ROt13d your data. Pray I do not ROT13 it again.

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  8. Cyanogenmod by iamacat · · Score: 2

    If you already have a Fire tablet, try an alternative ROM before returning/selling. As long as you are able to root the device, you can install safestrap, a ROM like cyanogenmod and Google apps. At this point, you have a fully functional device with a choice of launchers and app stores.

    If you are thinking of this route, don't connect to WiFi during device setup. This way, you don't update bootloader and OS from potentially rootable versions and have most options for the device going forward.

    Of course there is a wide choice of inexpensive Android tablets when shopping for a new device and rooting is hit or miss. But if you already have one in your hands, it's worth a shot.