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Anonymous Claims Twitter Is Suspending 'OpISIS' Member Accounts (thestack.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Anonymous has claimed that Twitter mistakenly shut down several of its activist accounts in a widespread cull of pages belonging to terrorist supporters. In an effort to rid the site of an extremist presence, Twitter has recently suspended over 125,000 accounts for 'threatening or promoting terrorist acts, primarily related to ISIS.' However, the international activist group Anonymous is now reporting that among this number were multiple member accounts, which were actively supporting the fight against the Islamic State and helping to seek out terrorist supporters and recruiters online. Twitter has typically re-opened the Anonymous accounts within a matter of hours, bombarded with requests by hacktivists and the wider online community.

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  1. And? by mitcheli · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So the whole point of OpISIS is to shut down ISIS, and Twitter is shutting down ISIS.. I fail to see the problem here.

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    1. Re:And? by kainewynd2 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't believe you're showing the appropriate level of nerd outrage. I mean, how dare Twitter shut down Anonymous accounts!?

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    2. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well I for one I identify as an anonymous and this has triggered my outrage.

    3. Re:And? by skywire · · Score: 2

      You need to work on your reading comprehension.

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    4. Re:And? by Shadow+IT+Ninja · · Score: 4, Funny

      According to TFA, some anonymous person who claims to be Anonymous claims that they are the ones reporting the ISIS accounts to Twitter and without them, Twitter would miss many of the terrorist accounts. The problem for Twitter it to figure out which of the anonymous accounts are Anonymous accounts. Of course it's also possible that some anonymous terrorists are falsely reporting Anonymous accounts as terrorists. That's what I would do if I were them. By the way, who's on first?

    5. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well I for one I identify as an anonymous and this has triggered my outrage.

      But you're a Coward!

    6. Re:And? by evolutionary · · Score: 2

      How does this "shut down ISIS"? You think Twitter is the only popular forum. The opponent you can see is far easier to handle than the opponent you can't. It doesn't stop anything, or really even slow it down. It just shows people Twitter removes anything it feels like (they removed people they probably should have left if reducing ISIS is truly their motive) which moves people away from Twitter. First the ISIS supports will move to a different forum, then the people trying to reduce ISIS supporters have to go looking for them to dissuade other recruits. The Internet is not where this stuff begins or ends, and it being such a big place. I'd rather it can be found easily, so it can be address in debate, easily.

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    7. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've always maintained that Anonymous is a subset of ISIS. They have about as much respect the rule of law and other people's rights.

    8. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the whole point of OpISIS is to shut down ISIS, and Twitter is shutting down ISIS.. I fail to see the problem here.

      Well, you failed to correctly state the problem. Twitter isn't just shutting down ISIS accounts, they are shutting down OpISIS accounts as well. At least that is my understanding of TFS.

    9. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've always maintained that Anonymous is a subset of ISIS. They have about as much respect the rule of law and other people's rights.

      I think you're mistaken.

      Anonymous does not respect the rule of any law, nor do they acknowledge anything as a 'right'.
      ISIS fully respects their OWN rule of law, and Sharia law, and fully respects the right of Religious Leaders to enslave women and exterminate All Who Oppose Them.
      And, of course, marry and have sex with all those sexy, sexy little girls. Mmmmmm Prophet!

    10. Re: And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most likely, they aren't being actually shut down by Twitter employees and instead anonymous is mass spamming abuse complaints to trigger an automatic system. Prior to this email Twitter was well known for not touching Terrorist twitter accounts, but shutting down twitter accounts belonging to republicans simply for being republicans.

    11. Re: And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong Anonymous. You're thinking of Anonymous at No 17 on the second floor. This is Anonymous from No 37 across the hall on the left.

    12. Re: And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When Trump's in power they better watch out cause he'll teach Twitter a lesson.

    13. Re: And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. The opponent who has a Twitter account is a *legit* opponent, which doesn't apply to ISIS. They're just little shits who don't deserve to be given the opportunity to recruit or be heard. Oh they'll still do it, but it'll be a lot harder to convince ordinary kids from around the world to join them if they're too lame to be on the Internet. They'll just have to make do with recruiting the local goatherders from the villages they conquer and pillage.

    14. Re: And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is Anonymous from No 27, underneath you, please stop jumping around late at night

  2. Maybe they disagreed with Anita Sarkeesian by Nova+Express · · Score: 5, Informative

    Judging from the suspension of the account of journalist Robert Stacy McCain, disagreeing with Anita Sarkeesian seems a far more serious offense to Twitter's "Trust and Safety Council" than openly supporting Islamic terrorists.

    They also refuse to restore his account or even detail why it was suspended.

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    1. Re:Maybe they disagreed with Anita Sarkeesian by BrookHarty · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If twitter is going to ban people for free speech, then its not an open platform and shouldn't be endorsed by any government agency. Maybe we should ban all government agencies from using facebook and twitter pages since they are not open platforms. The public should not endorse censorship or promoting companies that censor.

      Or you could go the other way, and force them not to censor by law. Since they are beyond a typical company and moved into areas of speech and representation. We do want open access for all protected speech, including sexual, religious and ethnic. Its a corporation, and corporations are not people, so they shouldn't get the free speech protections, just like we dont want them to vote with political money.

    2. Re:Maybe they disagreed with Anita Sarkeesian by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Interesting articles. Both try to somehow link this to Sarkeesian, without any evidence or even any idea which tweets got him banned. It's highly dubious because we don't know if he was breaking the rules or not, since the tweets have been deleted, and because Sarkeesian isn't involved day-to-day with Twitter at all.

      It's sad that this kind of pure, unfounded speculation (what we sometimes call paranoia) is considered "journalism" by some sites.

      Your statement doesn't make any sense either, how is his banning more serious than ISIS' banning? They both lost their Twitter accounts, they are exactly the same.

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    3. Re:Maybe they disagreed with Anita Sarkeesian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Tweets arent deleted. His account is suspended. You cant see his tweets because of that. The whole point is he criticized Anita and he was banned. They wont tell him why, they wont unban him. This behavior goes against their banning and appeals process. The only way they skip appeals is if the person was permanently banned and was ban evading.

    4. Re:Maybe they disagreed with Anita Sarkeesian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You upset that you donated to the kickstarter and didnt get all the promised videos and your dvd set yet? Keep hoping for those videos, I'm sure she'll get around to it sometime in the next few years. In the meantime, keep donating your money, you never know if it'll help bring those videos out sooner.

    5. Re:Maybe they disagreed with Anita Sarkeesian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It bans people who are unable to behave themselves to the point of repeatedly violating the TOS. It's a private company, not an open platform. An open platform for racists would not be desirable to anyone but the racist throwbacks. It would be very bad business in civilized countries.

    6. Re:Maybe they disagreed with Anita Sarkeesian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Number of people complaining or upset that Tropes vs Women hasn't yet finished the video series, opting instead for higher quality videos: 0.

      BTW, how did that "Sarkeesian Effect" show you guys funded go in the end? ;-)

    7. Re:Maybe they disagreed with Anita Sarkeesian by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      This is what people get for supporting closed platforms as Mr McCain did (by tweeting, thus adding to the amount of traffic that Twitter publishes).

      If anyone expects free speech on a closed platform, then I have a bridge to sell you.

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    8. Re:Maybe they disagreed with Anita Sarkeesian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >racist
      Yawn. Every time someone accuses someone of being racist without presenting evidence I automatically assume they are lying.

    9. Re:Maybe they disagreed with Anita Sarkeesian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's white, that's all the evidence that they need.

    10. Re:Maybe they disagreed with Anita Sarkeesian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole point is he criticized Anita and he was banned. They wont tell him why

      But they told you, right?

      BTW if you are "banned" from Twitter, they let you log in and then require you delete whatever tweet or tweets it is that caused the problem. So it's fair to say McCain knows full well what lead to his ban.

      And no, Anita Sarkeesian is highly unlikely to have anything to do with it.

    11. Re:Maybe they disagreed with Anita Sarkeesian by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I'd like to see (and I'm willing to help fund) similar platforms being run by the government. For cost and security reasons, it should be an option for just the one service.

      Note: That does not mean that the government should be taking over private services nor does it mean that they should be exclusively provisioned by them - one might say they'd be exclusively for government usage and not for public use except as a method of having information disseminated to them. Obviously, varied levels of interaction and permissions are preferred.

      The State should not be using Twitter. The State should have their own service with similar features. Then, depending on the charter of the agency, they should allow/disallow interaction from the general public with the preference being as much reasonable interaction as is possible.

      I'd speculate that the platform, but not the hosting of said platform, should be open and standardized. The software atop it should also be open and free of copyright restrictions for all citizens as they will have funded its creation.

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    12. Re:Maybe they disagreed with Anita Sarkeesian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I almost posted a serious reply until I saw who I was replying to, the same person who has been pushing zoe quinn's PR on slashdot since gamergate started.

      If you are being paid by a private party, burn the fuckers and post their identity to a gamergate board. Anonymously, of course.

      If someone told you this was a gchq or nato op, it is not. Go over their head to the home office.

      If you are parastoo, what is wrong with you? The sheiks destroyed Iran.

    13. Re: Maybe they disagreed with Anita Sarkeesian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Banning people is a necessary step in ensuring women are safe from systems of patriarchal hegemonic harassment that cause women to have lower pay and keep them out of gaming. 6 out of 4 women will be killed on social media, as confirmed by feminist science. Why do you hate women?

    14. Re:Maybe they disagreed with Anita Sarkeesian by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      The above statement, which is modded +5 informative at the time I write this (and has been for several hours), is 100% false except in stating that Robert McCain has been "banned" from Twitter. It is completely false to suggest Sarkeesian has anything to do with his ban. Twitter is full of conservative users, and full of critics of Anita Sarkeesian. And her role on the Trust and Safety Council is related to its function in ending abusive, something Sarkeesian is a recipient of.

      Unless McCain has actually posted content similar to that shown here aimed at Sarkeesian, he's not going to be banned for it.

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  3. RFC 3514 by joebok · · Score: 1

    Sounds like Twitter forgot to take advantage of RFC 3514. More generally, I'd like to see this implemented more generally. It would make things a LOT easier!

  4. Gotta ban those terrorists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like all the conservatives in America they are banning. I mean we can't have collective, useful discourse with non-progressive/non-liberal terrorists, can we? Conservatives are all hate-filed racists, amirite?

    Fuck twitter.

    1. Re:Gotta ban those terrorists by emho24 · · Score: 1

      People care little about the US First Amendment rights apparently. You are allowed to say only things that they agree with. The assault on free speech with the shadowbanning of conservatives is an amazing thing to watch, but most people just shrug it off and dont realize how serious it is. All people are equal, but it appears some people or more equal than others.

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    2. Re:Gotta ban those terrorists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Constitution only protects people from the government, Twitter is free to do business with whomever they please - Conservatives, whenever it suits them.

    3. Re:Gotta ban those terrorists by emho24 · · Score: 1

      You are completely correct and I was a little too brief in my comment and should have mentioned this. But it is still a completely fascinating thing to watch. It is amazing to see liberal minded people do an about face and deny other people the ability to voice their opinions. Screaming "racism" and labeling everything "hate speech" in order to make sure yours is the only voice that is heard is an interesting thing to witness. It is also very dangerous when powerful entities such as Facebook and Twitter engage in this behavior. I guess if you are a billionaire it's ok to attempt to force the world into your narrow view?

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    4. Re:Gotta ban those terrorists by GodelEscherBlecch · · Score: 1

      I guess if you are a billionaire it's ok to attempt to force the world into your narrow view?

      Oh wow, so you must really hate Rupert Murdoch then, right?

    5. Re:Gotta ban those terrorists by emho24 · · Score: 1

      Yes. Rupert Murdoch, the Koch brothers, Mark Zuckerberg, George Soros, etc.

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    6. Re:Gotta ban those terrorists by GodelEscherBlecch · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I don't know about that. Everybody in that list is trying to make an ever-increasing profit via a company or investment they control. Only some of the people in that list have a secondary goal to reshape the world in their narrow view (which coincidentally often involves them making more money). I don't think you can lump FB and Twitter in that second list, and the reason is very simple: their profits are directly and tangibly related in near real-time to the user's ongoing satisfaction and participation in their service.

      Mark Zuckerberg just wants the maximum number of FB users possible. He has figured that in order to keep users they need to be satisfied with the service, and in order to maintain their satisfaction it is necessary to curb the behavior of certain users who have a tendency of making it an overwhelmingly unpleasant place for a larger share of other users. Notice I'm not making a value judgement about each class of user here, I'm just describing an algorithm. As the owner of the largest collection of user metadata / demographics / behavioral statistics in the history of time, I have to assume that Zuckerberg's algorithm is correct with respect to its end goal (saying nothing of its ethical merits). If this 'censorship' was adversely impacting their subscription counts, you'd best believe it would stop right quick, and it hasn't. Just like in real social circles, when somebody in the group has an unpopular view and just can't shut the fuck up about it or at least discuss it civilly, everybody has a similar choice to make: disband the group, ostracize the outlier, or everybody just be miserable. Right or wrong, fair or unfair, when you find yourself on the wrong end of this logic, that is not 'social justice' or 'suppression', it is math.

      I am confounded by this ongoing conflation of social dynamics (almost never fair) with constitutional freedoms (fair, but people never seem to know when they apply). FB and Twitter are not critical infrastructure or utilities requiring guaranteed access. Net neutrality does not mean that everybody has to listen to your shit, only that you have a right to put it on the internet. There is literally nothing stopping an ostracized group from creating a new virtual (or real) social circle. If the group was, as claimed, being unfairly targeted by a mean ol' minority with an agenda at the old spot, then this new circle will surely flourish as a place of freedom, right? Or, it could be a sad masturbatory echo chamber, which really ought to serve as a clue to said group. Neither outcome has shit-all to do with freedom and censorship, and it is hardly the bellwether of tyranny as you seem to imply.

      And seriously, objectivity aside, how can you not see the immense irony in this particular set of views, which seems so often to revolve around 'the world is not PC, deal with it you thin-skinned baby', crying their goddamned heads off about how everybody's being so mean to them? Behind all those professional liberal PC reactionaries we all love to hate, there are plenty of real legitimate cases of people in the actual physical world who have had their shit severely messed with over matters of prejudice in some form or another. You'll have to forgive me if my heart does not exactly bleed for the guy who got his twitter badge taken away for posting a 'bitch, make me sandwich' joke and then cried to the White House like they were supposed to do something about it (which no doubt would be called tyranny if they did, and the sides were reversed).

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  5. Re: Anonymous, ISIS of the Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Big difference is that ISIS members do not crap their pants when they see a mall cop.

  6. It Ain't No Accident by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know that Anonymous has this fantasy about them being some sort of white knight, but they fail to realize that they suck ballz and Twitter wants them shutdown just as much as Twitter wants ISIS shutdown.

  7. If twitter is killing terrorist accounts ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    If twitter is killing terrorist accounts, then killing accounts associated with anonymous should be included. They are nothing but "cyber" terrorists themselves.

    1. Re:If twitter is killing terrorist accounts ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course this gets modded down and called a troll. The fact is, Anonymous are nothing more than a very disorganized group of "cyber" terrorists. Funny thing is, they aren't really any good at it.

  8. Word based ban lists by BrookHarty · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Facebook started word based ban lists few weeks back, and old posts are removed if they have such a word. Tranny is on the list, which for many mechanics wonder wtf facebook was going on about their posts being against decency rules. Also Milo's "Dangerous Faggot Tour" posts are removed due to Faggot being banned. I wonder if there are any smokers who got their posts removed too. There there is the whole Twitter going after Milo, so social media censorship is getting out of hand.

    I remember back when Microsoft banned usernames with Gay, and a bunch of people couldnt register if they had Gay in their names.

    Its like 1990's internet all over again, banned words everywhere.

    1. Re:Word based ban lists by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Its like 1990's internet all over again, banned words everywhere.

      Except this time, there's plenty of compute resources to match word closeness and plenty of world-relationship mapping databases that it ought to be fairly straightforward to semantically map (tranny,chrysler,failed) into a different bucket than hate-speech, automatically. Pure stop-lists are just lazy.

      Maybe the information-retrieval people aren't on this team.

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    2. Re:Word based ban lists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't help but think of how many man hours and resources are being siphoned from productive work to waste time making word lists and developing better recognition technology, all just in an attempt to shield some poor user's eyes from words they might not like to see.

    3. Re:Word based ban lists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a solved problem.
      4chan has had it for years.
      Fabebook should just use word filters instead of bans.
      wordfilter tranny to transmission
      cigarette to homosexual
      etc etc.

    4. Re:Word based ban lists by clonehappy · · Score: 0

      The only problem is that hate-speech, as such, is a fabrication of the weak minds of soft liberals. I see much of their rhetoric as hate-speech as well, the only difference being I am strong enough of mind to be able to handle having my views challenged without resorting to censorship.

      Banning words IS just lazy, just not technologically. It's intellectually lazy to not be able to handle criticism of your ideals.

    5. Re:Word based ban lists by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      I remember one site that replaced offensive words with asterisks, even if it was part of another word. So I couldn't mention the ra**** in my yard, or say anything about my wris****ch. I couldn't even talk about our VP (**** Cheny)!

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    6. Re:Word based ban lists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like they've fallen victim to one of the clbuttic blunders!

    7. Re:Word based ban lists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only problem is that hate-speech, as such, is a fabrication of the weak minds of soft liberals. I see much of their rhetoric as hate-speech as well, the only difference being I am strong enough of mind to be able to handle having my views challenged without resorting to censorship.

      Banning words IS just lazy, just not technologically. It's intellectually lazy to not be able to handle criticism of your ideals.

      The problem with "hate speech" is that it perpetuates the problem. A lot of the anti-lgbt/racism/etc crap is learnt behaviour so, in theory, if you remove "hate speech" which helps reinforce these views then you can possibly cut down on it. This pretty much ignores that kids often learn it from their parents and social groups which they would have just as much influence from if the internet did not exist.

      If you don't believe that this is true then just have a look at the comments on facebook where the original post has something to do with racism, religion, politics or pretty much anything else (heck, I have gotten death threats from pointing out flaws and outright lies which people have posted. Them: "All muslims are dangerous terrorists (blah blah blah), peaceful christians are under constant attack" me: "If all muslims were terrorists then we would all be dead already because there are around 1.3 BILLION of them" them: "you fking muslim supporter, if I ever see you then I am going to shoot you, I hope your family gets raped and murdered, etc etc"...

  9. A sledge hammer for a nail, freedom of speech by evolutionary · · Score: 1

    When private organizations (or worse even government) start trying to stifle debate, you hurt both both sides. And in America such organizations are hurting one of the basic freedoms that is supposed to distinguish America from places like Russia or China: The ability to have open debate on any topic, no matter how distasteful (note: threat is not debate). Yet without debate, we all just become mindless drones (which is what most governments like anyway). All of this is a modern examples proving what Ben Franklin said so long ago: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety". Killing open debate in this way (and killing opinions of people who may be in opposition of ISUS (ISUL) agendas in the process), doesn't create any additional safety: Supporters will just move on to other forums (and those supporting things like this seem to have no problem finding where other supports are), and the those against them will have a harder time dissuading them, because non-supporters of an idea don't find their opposites nearly as easily. "Like begets like" I think is the phrase here. We need a better way to influence through open debate rather than try to stifle it. Historically, it never seems to work anyway. Of course we can point out the obvious here: the KKK and Neo-nazis never had nearly big a reaction to their published statements, even when they were truly statements pushing for true domestic terrorism (as opposed to just speaking against current government practices which has often been labelled as "domestic terrorism" even when purely non-violent). But the reason for that is clear and sad: They were for the most part only threatening non-caucasian, so the powers that be didn't care nearly as much. We don't even seem terribly concerned that the KKK is supporting Donald Drumpf (trump via legal name change). We have such a long way to go before we truly become a "civilized" people...

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    1. Re:A sledge hammer for a nail, freedom of speech by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I've been pondering a rebuttal for Franklin's quote for a while. I see it misquoted, mistaken, misused. I'm not saying that's the case with your usage. I'm also in full agreement with his expressed sentiment.

      But...

      What happens when the majority is no longer convinced of the need for liberty and what does that mean for the rest of us?

      It's disheartening. One minute, the same person will rant about how encryption is necessary and that we shouldn't legislate based on fear and the next minute they're arguing that we should take away all rights to bear arms. They can't, and won't, admit that they're basing their position on cowardice and are, quite expressly, wanting to give up liberties in exchange for safety. They scoff at those who believe that they'll be safer if the government has a back door into encryption - and rightfully so. But, when it's their fear, they're all gung-ho to give up their liberties. They value the liberties they do not enjoy/use less than they value their safety. Disheartening is the best word I can think of.

      So, what do you do when it's the vocal minority or true majority that wants to give up those liberties in the name of safety? It's obvious that anarchy is not a solution and that reasonable lines must be drawn. The question is where?

      I keep returning to trying to figure out what he meant by "temporary." All I can conclude is that he was being pithy and rhetorical and, while not wrong, he's not really said anything that anyone shouldn't already know. Unfortunately, unless pressed, most people are cowards and seem to be quite willing to give up their liberties. That and, well... All things are temporary.

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    2. Re:A sledge hammer for a nail, freedom of speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been pondering a rebuttal for Franklin's quote for a while. I see it misquoted, mistaken, misused. I'm not saying that's the case with your usage. I'm also in full agreement with his expressed sentiment.

      But...

      What happens when the majority is no longer convinced of the need for liberty and what does that mean for the rest of us?

      It's disheartening. One minute, the same person will rant about how encryption is necessary and that we shouldn't legislate based on fear and the next minute they're arguing that we should take away all rights to bear arms. They can't, and won't, admit that they're basing their position on cowardice and are, quite expressly, wanting to give up liberties in exchange for safety. They scoff at those who believe that they'll be safer if the government has a back door into encryption - and rightfully so. But, when it's their fear, they're all gung-ho to give up their liberties. They value the liberties they do not enjoy/use less than they value their safety. Disheartening is the best word I can think of.

      So, what do you do when it's the vocal minority or true majority that wants to give up those liberties in the name of safety? It's obvious that anarchy is not a solution and that reasonable lines must be drawn. The question is where?

      I keep returning to trying to figure out what he meant by "temporary." All I can conclude is that he was being pithy and rhetorical and, while not wrong, he's not really said anything that anyone shouldn't already know. Unfortunately, unless pressed, most people are cowards and seem to be quite willing to give up their liberties. That and, well... All things are temporary.

      Ironically both sides of the gun control debate are arguing for laws based on fear. The pro-gun group is arguing that they need guns to protect themselves from the boogey man (big gov, bad guys, etc) while the anti-gun group is arguing that they need to ban guns to protect themselves from the boogey man (big gov, bad guys, "good" guys, etc). Neither side getting their way will reduce the amount of gun related homicides seen in the USA as there is a pretty strong correlation between improved social welfare and the reduction of homicides...

    3. Re:A sledge hammer for a nail, freedom of speech by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I view it as logic and not fear. I'd like to keep access to as many liberties as possible because I want to be able to use my freedom as much as possible. I'd not classify that as fear but you can ascribe it to such, if you want. I consider it well reasoned. I am not a religious person but I'd like to keep that liberty around as well. Even if it means that some religious folks will cause harm to otherwise good people. It doesn't seem fearful to me but I can see (I think) why one might think so.

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  10. MAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gee, one group defined by over-reaction over-reacting against another group defined by over-reacting.

    We may have reached peak singularity on social media.

  11. X/125000 = 0% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "multiple" accounts.
    In a propaganda war the false positive rate of "multiple" out of 125k is AWESOME.
    Especially since the false positives are "typically re-opened [...] within a matter of hours".
    Am I just missing the SJW/teen spirit, or is there something real to this story? Perhaps this was submitted by a team from Twitter, bragging?

  12. protected speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "all protected speech" doesn't include the activities of either ISIS or Anonymous.

    Speech intended to incite crime (whether violent, like terrorism, or virtual, like unauthorized access to computers and information) is not protected.

    1. Re:protected speech by sexconker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Speech intended to incite crime (whether violent, like terrorism, or virtual, like unauthorized access to computers and information) is not protected.

      Yes it is.

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

      ANY federal law that abridges freedom of speech is unconstitutional. Further, any law at a state or local level is also unconstitutional as the first amendment describes a right reserved for the people.

      If you can conclusively prove that someone's speech directly resulted in violence you can prosecute them for their role in that violence.
      However you cannot legally prosecute them for their speech, nor can you legally restrict their speech. The fact that people are prosecuted for their speech and do have their speech restricted is not evidence that speech isn't protected, it's evidence that judges who restrict speech are fucking idiots or tyrants (or both).

    2. Re:protected speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ANY federal law that abridges freedom of speech is unconstitutional. Further, any law at a state or local level is also unconstitutional as the first amendment describes a right reserved for the people.

      If you can conclusively prove that someone's speech directly resulted in violence you can prosecute them for their role in that violence.
      However you cannot legally prosecute them for their speech, nor can you legally restrict their speech. The fact that people are prosecuted for their speech and do have their speech restricted is not evidence that speech isn't protected, it's evidence that judges who restrict speech are fucking idiots or tyrants (or both).

      The Supreme Court (over multiple decades, so we're not talking about just one set of justices) doesn't agree with you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imminent_lawless_action

      speech is not protected by the First Amendment if the speaker intends to incite a violation of the law that is both imminent and likely

      Note that disagreement IS protected -- you can say that certain information should be public, or that certain people deserve death for things they've done, all the day long. But actually trying to incite hacking into systems, or actually trying to incite murder, are outside the boundaries of protection.

    3. Re:protected speech by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      speech is not protected by the First Amendment if the speaker intends to incite a violation of the law that is both imminent and likely

      [...] But actually trying to incite hacking into systems right now, or actually trying to incite murder right now, are outside the boundaries of protection.

      FTFY.

      If I say, "Someday I'm gonna murder the mayor," I'm okay. If I say, "C'mon, everybody, grab your guns! We're gonna march on city hall and kill the mayor!" and people start doing it, the cops can come in and arrest me for my speech. But I would also assume that if I said that and everybody laughed and kept playing parcheesi, I'm okay.

      As I understand it, you can say whatever you want. However, the first amendment does not protect you from the consequences of your speech. If you incite people to do something illegal and they actually do it, you can be held accountable for their actions. So if I suggest to my adoring fans that they go out and shoot someone and one of them does because I suggested it, I can be arrested as an accessory or some-such to the murder. As I understand it, it even goes as far as if I say, "I wish my boss were dead" and my adoring sweetheart goes out and kills my boss to make me happy, I can be arrested.

  13. The Fog of War by PPH · · Score: 1

    Friendly fire.

    Anonymous should just be grateful that it's nothing like the real thing.

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  14. Friendly Fire... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Friendly Fire is unavoidable in a war, just be glad in this case, it's easily undoable.

    Not so easily done when you drop a bomb on the wrong target.

  15. Re:Nothing to do with Anita Sarkeesian you idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep throwing out ridiculous non-arguments and calling everything a conspiracy. As you can see, it is very convincing.

  16. Re:Nothing to do with Anita Sarkeesian you idiot by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

    You didn't cotton on that the entire thing was making fun of the GP's ludicrous allegation? Or did you think I really think Anita Sarkeesian turned me into a newt? *facepalm*

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  17. So, what's the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Twitter's goal is to shut down terrorist accounts. Anonymous is pretty much a terrorist organization, even if they do it for the lulz instead of for Allah, so I see no problem with shutting down their accounts as well.

  18. Re: Anonymous, ISIS of the Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how do you know? are you admitting to being a terrorist?

  19. Re:Nothing to do with Anita Sarkeesian you idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    well someone did