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Pentagon Admits Deploying Spy Drones Over US, Claims All Were 'Lawful' (msn.com)
lightbox32 writes with this excerpt from MSN News confirming what many people suspected with the proliferation of military and law-enforcement drones would happen, already has: A report by a Pentagon inspector general, made public under a Freedom of Information Act request, said spy drones on non-military missions have occurred fewer than 20 times between 2006 and 2015 and always in compliance with existing law. ... The use of unmanned aerial surveillance (UAS) drones over U.S. surfaced in 2013 when then-FBI director Robert Mueller testified before Congress that the bureau employed spy drones to aid investigations, but in a "very, very minimal way, very seldom." The inspector general analysis was completed March 20, 2015, but not released publicly until last Friday. ... The report quoted a military law review article that said "the appetite to use them (spy drones) in the domestic environment to collect airborne imagery continues to grow, as does Congressional and media interest in their deployment."
The National Guard does have law enforcement powers in their state. The federal military does not.
As far as I know, aerial photography has been legal for a very long time. And ultimately, that's all a UAV is doing here.
Perhaps there should be tighter restrictions, or at least stricter rules on disclosure - but at the moment there simply aren't.
U.S. government agencies do what they want, ignoring good management and good government policy, and mostly operating in secrecy.
Often the reason is that someone will make money. Perhaps someone in the Pentagon is related to someone in the company that supplies "Spy Drones".
That will not be used on you by your own or another's military.
of conservative groups by the IRS? that's just one which came to mind.
Posse commitas. Google it.
You are right about Feds. But The pentagon would not be allowed to use its national guard reserve authority to evade the restrictions on the Feds so that's not an out here.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
You have no idea the Orwellian things coming down the pike.
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It's all in how you say it.
I see a new fad....
hats with the opinion finger on top...
Fishing, sports, mowing the grass, bicycling, walking...
Better make that the Johnny Cash Finger...
And they'll improve the resolution until they see it...
And maybe an Eye-hat... looking back atcha...
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Who put this thing together? Me, that's who.
Since Bush's use of war powers to justify committing acts of espionage against Americans through his warrantless wiretapping program was not arrested, it looks like the government took the second step down the slippery slope here to mobilize the US military against Americans.
I guess if nothing else we still have the third amendment. "No Soldier shall, in time of peace..." Oh, wait, when was the last time we had a time of peace?
clearly they're not counting all those flying in counter narcotic operations, or those flying along the border watching for illegal border crossings. Or those flown by various police departments across the country. I guess those don't count as "spy drones".
"Growing old is inevitable; growing up is optional."
The article is referring to the US military drones. Not everyone else's.
USNavy and Marines, USArmy, USAF and the 9 military spy agencies of which you have heard of five.
Listen carefully to what they said. They're only talking about the first four.
The other nine don't exist. And monkeys fly out of my butt.
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Also doesn't include border control or Coast Guard. Those are different. Both can operate within 200 miles of the coast and navigable waterways of a certain size, and that includes inland. Think about how far that is.
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administration or we'd never hear the end of it.
Guess how many results are found? Zero as of this posting. There is one man that can stop this and who is ultimately responsible for this. You people make me sick.
"...Claims All Were 'Lawful'..."
We say this as if we would expect any other answer.
I mean we can't wait for the day when they're just honest with the American People and respond with "Fuck You. That's why.", but let's not pretend that we're there already.
...So who cares? It's not like he's a Republican or a Koch brother or something.
I'll give people a hint: 99% of the US population LIVES within where they can go.
I don't read AC A human right
Basically, the word "lawful" is not in any way helpful without further explanation. It's the equivalent of saying "Nah, nah, my mother said it's OK."
You want to convince me it's lawful, state the supreme court ruling or specific law that allows it. Otherwise, don't talk about it being lawful, it just makes you look like a fascist.
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As there are unjust men.- Gandi I'm getting tired of people using new (or old) unethical (and in many cases immoral) laws to justify bad behaviour. All of this basically means the government agencies are saying they can come onto your property with no cause, no warrant, and no reason. Just because they think you may be trouble. There is also the spirit of the law as well as the letter. Wonder what would have happen if a federal judge had to deal with this. Of course they respond to the political climate so...
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Einstein
Shh. Don't wake up the serfs.
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The Military also has a law enforcement presence at extremely sensitive terrorist targets during times of heightened alert. For example, Grand Central Station in New York occasionally has a few soldiers on duty. Considering the ripple effect it would have on the world economy if you took it out at the wrong time of day, this is actually extremely sensible, but requiring them to work in coordination with law enforcement is entirely appropriate and consistent with the United States philosophy of a civilian-led military.
The U.S. government can and has used bacteria in experiments against the general populace that sickened and killed people...and it was legal. Putting natural born citizens in concentration camps on the basis of ethnicity, legal.
From long ago
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"I speak now, to the leaders and administrators of this county. You are not the first to have sought world supremacy, others have gone before you. And each has been finally brought down by very same disregard for the will of the people that you condone and encourage."
Your time is coming...
So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds.
Come on.
When have you ever heard governments say they did anything illegal or say they didn't do something because it was wrong or illegal.
At best they lose in court.
A link to the story/article, etc would be rather useful.
-Styopa
Or more likely, some interesting ways to detect and down the high flying, jet driven ones. I can think of a several ways off the top of my head. If these things become popular, you can bet that a technologically able populace will create ways to end them.
Final price point? I'm guessing anything under $1000 to neutralize a drone isn't a bad price.
Did they say lawful or awful?
People keep wondering why the FAA is being difficult about writing rules to allow unmanned aircraft operations in the US? This is why. The DoD is falling all over themselves out of desperation to get these things in the air. They won't be satisfied until there's a Global Hawk watching every inhabited square mile of the continental US 24/7. Safety for everyone else in the air be damned.
Maxim: People cannot follow directions.
Increases in truth directly with the length of time spent explaining them
Neither was I. Counter narcotics are operated, quite often, by the military. The border patrol stuff is operated from the same locations (in some instances) as other operations and include the same operators, oftentimes. I'll give you that the police don't fall under the military but is it really any different? The military develops these things and then we just hand them out to any government agency that comes up with a bullshit justification. This should scare the shit out of every citizen in the country. Hell, in the world.
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