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Skype Co-Founder Launches End-To-End Encrypted 'Wire' App (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader writes: A group of former Skype technologists, backed by the co-founder of the messaging platform, has introduced a new version of its own messaging service that promises end-to-end encryption for all conversations, including by video. Wire, a 50-person start-up mostly made up of engineers, is stepping into a global political debate over encryption that pits privacy against security advocates, epitomized by the standoff between the U.S. government and Apple. Wire, which is headquartered in Switzerland and Germany, two of the most privacy-friendly countries in the world, relays communications through its network of cloud computers where user communications are stored, in encrypted form, on their own devices. It delivers privacy protections that are always on, even when callers use multiple devices, such as a phone or desktop PC simultaneously. For voice and video calls, Wire uses the same DTLS and SRTP encryption standards found in the peer-to-peer WebRTC protocol. Rivals such as Facebook's Messenger and WhatsApp or Telegram offer encryption on only parts of a message's journey or for a specific set of services, the company said. "Everything is end-to-end encrypted: That means voice and video calls, texts, pictures, graphics -- all the content you can send," Wire Executive Chairman Janus Friis told Reuters.

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  1. From Theri Privacy Policy by Sax+Russell+5449D29A · · Score: 3, Informative

    Using the Service to communicate by chat, our servers store the content of your chat conversation and log other information such as the time and date of your conversations, and the other user or users with whom you are communicating.

    Kind of awkward if that means what I think it means.

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    1. Re:From Theri Privacy Policy by kheldan · · Score: 2

      Oh don't worry about it. They probably just do that so they can wordfilter 'allahu akbar' to read 'we love America'.

      Oh, look over there! A puppy!

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    2. Re:From Theri Privacy Policy by Sax+Russell+5449D29A · · Score: 2

      It's nice to see you are actively scanning general discussions for areas in need of improvement, that's a big bonus.

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  2. Yeah... so fucking what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If it gets popular they'll just sell it out to some company that will gut the shit out of any privacy it has.

    JUST LIKE SKYPE.

    Go fuck yourself dude. Fooled us once already.

  3. until it's not by turkeydance · · Score: 2

    promises to attract who is "of interest" to Signals Intelligence.

    1. Re:until it's not by UnderCoverPenguin · · Score: 2

      It's software. Without trusted hardware to run the app on, the security can be circumvented.

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  4. Yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    and we know how "secure" Skype was
    http://www1.cs.columbia.edu/~s...

    looking at the Skype binary its obvious that even MS cant see inside the box as their "enhancements" are tacked around the original encrypted binary.

    just remake the original Skype like it was, ie firewall traversal, p2p, ee encryption, crystal clear audio/video oh and this time fully open source (unlike this Wire).

  5. Whisper System's "Signal" already available by Burz · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wire appears to compete with Signal. And there are others, some of which the EFF has reviewed: https://www.eff.org/secure-mes...

  6. Encrypted in NEW 256 bit AES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And to think, the NSA still bugs the network feeds at both ends, if it wants, under super-NDA, without a court-order or any other kind of oversight at all, really.

    Idiots?

  7. Business model? by NotInHere · · Score: 5, Informative

    1. They claim that wire is free (as in beer).

    2. They claim that wire protects your data and privacy.

    3. They claim that wire runs no ads.

    4. They run a profit oriented company, not an open source foundation, and I have heard nothing about their business model

    Its easy to confirm claims 1, 3 and 4. Its very hard to confirm claim 2. What do they want to make money with?

    Am I supposed to believe they are altruist?

  8. What is up with their flickery as f**k website by bhspencer · · Score: 2

    Surprised didn't have a seizure just scrolling down their main page.

    1. Re:What is up with their flickery as f**k website by bhspencer · · Score: 2

      Its better after you remove their #animation div. Shakes head.

  9. Seriously murky shit in the "privacy" whitepaper by subk · · Score: 2

    4.2 Types of Usage Data

    Wire client applications collect several types of usage data:

    + Crash Reports

    + Viewed screens data

    +Aggregated usage statistics

    +App events data

    4.2.1 Crash reports

    4.2.2 Aggregated usage statistics

    Ummm... WTF happened to the description paragraph for Viewed Screens Data?

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