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DC Metro Closes For Emergency Safety Inspection (nbcwashington.com)

McGruber writes with NBC's report that Washington, DC's Metrorail system has been completely shut down for at least 29 hours, so crews can check 600 underground jumper cables: A problem with those jumper cables caused a fire at the McPherson Square station early Monday and was also the cause of a fatal smoke incident in January, 2015, that killed one person and injured others. The safety checks could have been delayed until the weekend or conducted at night over about six days, officials said. But if the system were kept open, a public announcement about the risk would have to be made. That would have put passengers, and Metro, in the awkward position of publicly acknowledging that it was operating despite being aware of a potentially deadly safety problem. Metro also would have been liable in the case of any crashes or calamities. The shutdown prompted the Washington Post to publish an editorial titled It's official: Metro is a national embarrassment."

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  1. Wheres my flying car. by mmiscool · · Score: 1

    If we all had flying cars this would not be a problem.

    1. Re:Wheres my flying car. by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      Well, since this is DC, better get VIP plates for them or you'll be in a holding pattern.

    2. Re:Wheres my flying car. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's if the FAA will allow commoners to even operate them within 50 nm of DCA.

    3. Re:Wheres my flying car. by grub · · Score: 1

      50 nanometers?

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    4. Re:Wheres my flying car. by KGIII · · Score: 2

      Nautical miles. I assume...

      Anyhow, at first I thought that it'd be okay just to let some of the DC folks die in accidents, there's a lot of politicians there and many of them are straight up evil. But, then I thought more about it and, having been on the metro in DC, I know no politicians are going to be impacted by this at all. So, only some mostly-good people would be at risk and it's probably best to shut it down.

      Mostly-good is, of course, in comparison to the above mentioned politicians.

      I'm actually not surprised that the terrorists don't take out Congress. If they did, some of us might not mind that much and others would actively cheer. (See approval ratings for more accurate statistics.) It'd be one way to get rid of the incumbents who, oddly, get reelected even though they've often managed to acquire rather low approval ratings.

      Note: Some of the above is meant as sarcasm and/or humor and should not be taken seriously. Which parts are which is an exercise best left to the reader.

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    5. Re:Wheres my flying car. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      50 nanometers?

      Yes, because the FAA deals in nanometers for the ADIZ.

      Don't be a dolt.

    6. Re:Wheres my flying car. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nautical miles. I assume...

      No, nautical miles are more commonly known as knots, so the appropriate abbreviation is "km". I see it all the time, especially in Europe, where they use km for almost everything.

    7. Re:Wheres my flying car. by vtcodger · · Score: 1

      "If we all had flying cars this would not be a problem"

      My guess is that if we all had flying cars, they would be items one, four, and seven on our personal list of problems. Among the issues:

      1. Broken cars STOP. Broken aircraft DROP
      2. Ignoring the Check Engine light in a flying car until you have time/money to deal with it is likely to be a fatal strategy.
      3. Many drivers have substantial difficulty navigating safely in two dimensions. Another dimension is unlikely to make things any easier.
      4. Insurance on those beauties is likely to be an eye opener.
      5. If we ALL have them, where do you expect to park them in our rather densely packed cities?
      6. Given the poor energy density of batteries, won't flying cars perpetuate the roll of hydrocarbon fuels? Not green. Not remotely green.
      7. If you think car bombs are a problem now ...

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    8. Re:Wheres my flying car. by tsqr · · Score: 1

      Nautical miles. I assume...

      No, nautical miles are more commonly known as knots, so the appropriate abbreviation is "km". I see it all the time, especially in Europe, where they use km for almost everything.

      I hope you're trying to be funny. Europe does not use English units of speed to express Metric measures of distance.

    9. Re:Wheres my flying car. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      No, nautical miles are abbreviated as "N" or "N.M." typically. However, I'm not talking about what it is, I'm talking about what the poster probably meant. Unless you're that AC - which seems unlikely, given that you'd basically being saying that you did something wrong only it was not only wrong, your attempted correction would be wrong. As non-meters makes no sense in this case.

      As for a reference for the N.M, as you're likely to not believe me, see:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      That page will also tell you a bit about Knots, they're entirely different things.

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    10. Re:Wheres my flying car. by Salgak1 · · Score: 1
      Hence the hoary old DC joke of a massive traffic jam on the Beltway, because terrorists have attacked the Capitol, and want 10 billion dollars, or they'll burn Congress alive.
      . A guy is going between stuck cars, asking for donations. When a driver asks what the average donation is. . . .the guy replies. . .
      ". . . .about two gallons. . . "

      (grin)

    11. Re:Wheres my flying car. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I like that! I'm gonna borrow it.

      It does remind me of my way to absolutely make the government notice a large enough group of unhappy people - without violence. I'll try to make it brief...

      Remember the million man march?

      Today, we have GPS.
      Set a date like the day that Congress has its first session or perhaps for the President's Address to the Nation.
      Set GPS to arrive at PA Ave in DC.
      Figure out when it will make you arrive there at noon.
      Everyone try to get to that address, on that date, at noon.
      Drive your car as close to that destination as possible.
      Stop car.
      Get out of the car.
      Lock doors.
      Close doors.
      Go to hotel.

      Can you imagine what would happen if a million cars all tried to park on that one street at that one time? All of them arriving at the same time will result in a gridlock that takes weeks to clear. Do not do anything violent. Maybe put a few signs on the car or hang out at the mall every day while they try to get all the cars cleared out.

      All of 'em, trying to arrive at once - a million cars PLUS all the cars that are already in the city, and it will be blocked for MILES AND MILES around the city. The entire corridor will be clogged for weeks as it ripples out. They have nowhere to put all those cars. You wouldn't even need a million. However, a million cars - at one time, would gridlock that whole area for a *very* long time. They don't even have the equipment to move the vehicles that quickly, they're not prepared for it.

      It's not something a terrorist can do - they don't have a million supporters driving cars. It is something that a passionate group of angry Americans can do. There's no need for a revolution, a civil war, or even a bunch of draconian laws to push until things break. Long before it reaches that point, make yourselves heard. This, this will DEFINITELY get your voices heard. We have about 200 million PRIVATELY OWNED passenger vehicles on the road today. 1:200 people could probably shut that place down for a month, if not longer.

      At one point, using the 1,000,000 figure, I tried doing the math based on rough averages of road surface availabilities and the current cars in place - that all had to be estimated. It worked out to about 35 miles in each direction, from the center, being full of cars - before the ripple effect took place. I can't model for that. I imagine that I've much greater tools available for doing so today but, alas, I'm pretty apathetic.

      I can assure you - they have no way to deal with something like that in a speedy manner. The protesters needn't be violent. I'm not even sure if it'd be breaking any major laws. It's going to *really* suck for the locals but hopefully they understand. If they put barriers up around the city and refuse entrance, park as close to the barriers as possible and stop. The infrastructure is designed for throughput, not standing. It *will* collapse in a spectacular fashion.

      At any rate, that's what your joke reminded me of. Your joke is shorter, I'm stealing it.

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    12. Re: Wheres my flying car. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol Dave, we can tell you modeled traffic back in the day ;).

      I like your idea, I think a million self driving cars would be better tho. We need to wait, when the tech comes we can program our cars to do this for us. We don't even need to be in the cars.

    13. Re:Wheres my flying car. by lgw · · Score: 1

      I can assure you - they have no way to deal with something like that in a speedy manner. The protesters needn't be violent. I'm not even sure if it'd be breaking any major laws. It's going to *really* suck for the locals but hopefully they understand. If they put barriers up around the city and refuse entrance, park as close to the barriers as possible and stop. The infrastructure is designed for throughput, not standing. It *will* collapse in a spectacular fashion.

      A bulldozer/snowplow blade attached to a dump truck or heavy wrecker solves the problem quickly enough. Chicago does something similar when a truck gets stuck under a bridge - they just push it out of the way, in however many pieces it ends up in. Moving heavy things out of the way is a well-solved problem.

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    14. Re:Wheres my flying car. by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Can you tell us how many N.M. that whoosh was? ;-)

    15. Re:Wheres my flying car. by Salgak1 · · Score: 1

      We've had especially bad traffic days. The day the jumper showed up on the Woodrow Wilson Bridge. . . and stayed there for 6 hours until they shot him with a beanbag round, and knocked him off into a net underneath. A particularly bad day on I-95, back in 1996. ~25 major truck wrecks on I-95 between Richmond and the Pennsylvania Line. I was stuck in that for 9 hours. And there have been some particularly bad snowstorm/drivetime mixes. I think it was 1993. . . it got so bad that people abandoned their cars on I-395 (i.e. the road from the Beltway to DC in Virginia). . .

    16. Re:Wheres my flying car. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Yup. Can you imagine if they all tried to arrive at 1600 PA Ave - on the same day, at the same time, and if there were a *million* cars? Not 1000, not 1000, but 1,000,000... Yeah... It would be awesome! It'd get some attention. I almost want a reason to protest bad enough to need that sort of intervention just so that I can see the results. It'd shut the city down. I seriously think that it'd shut the city down for at least a month.

      I tried to estimate all the available parking and road surface area and then worked from there with very low estimates. The area it fills (with increasing effect as it spreads outwards as there are fewer entry roads) would be huge. The guess of a month is pulled from my ass, however. Where would they even store the vehicles? They can't just punish everyone - who was there for the trip and who was there by happenstance?

      It *will* result in getting a message across. You only need a million people to partake. That's a good sized group of people - and I'm sure it'd work with less. It'd take a sizable portion to actually get good results so it's not like just any group of people can do this. They've got to be dedicated and willing to accept some risks so only the true-believer types would do it, so that sort of thing stops people from doing it just because they don't want a new fast food joint in town.

      I've also thought about it at the State level. In some or the larger States, it could be rather effective as well. Man, now I kind of hope the next president and co. decide to try to get an amendment to remove the 4th Amendment or something - just so I can see the results of a protest like that. I'm pretty sure if you shut down DC for a month, filling it with many many tons of automobiles, there's not much chance of them still having the temerity to pass such a bill - as pissed as they might be.

      The protesters need only make sure that they deliver a clear and consistent complaint and try to control who speaks authoritatively on their behalf. If they can do that, they are going to do quite well. People might even try joining them and that'd result in holy hell breaking lose. They can't remove the cars as fast as people can replace them. If they stop them, they're just adding new sources of gridlock and congestion to an overloaded system.

      They're not designed for things like this. We've neither the tools nor infrastructure to handle things like that in a rapid manner. It would be awesome! I am getting kind of old so my time is running out. Maybe I should vote for the worst possible candidates I can find and help this along. I really, really would like to see how that works in reality. So long as they're entirely peaceful protesters, they should be reasonably safe. Don't argue, don't fight, don't yell, and go peacefully if you get arrested. I'm not sure what they could arrest people for.

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    17. Re:Wheres my flying car. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      42

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    18. Re:Wheres my flying car. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      That's not gonna help with a million of them - at least not quickly. They're gonna have to do something like that - it's going to take a long time and make the clean-up even worse. Then, who's going to pay for it? Many, many of those vehicles will not have been there intentionally. They'd be "innocent victims" so to speak. They were just trying to travel around. It'd be HUGE - many, many miles and will ripple out from there.

      They can roll in with heavy equipment but we're talking a million cars AND the political fallout from that - and the expenses associated.

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    19. Re: Wheres my flying car. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Hmm... Self-driving accomplishes much of the same thing but it doesn't then put 1,000,000+ people in the area all needing services. That's kind of an important aspect. Part of the whole thing is that not everyone that would be on the road is an instigator. There's tourist, journalists, locals, businesses, etc... They've all gotta be dealt with too and there's no way of knowing who did what and who is there to protest vs. those who are there for alternative reasons.

      It'd shut that whole area down. Someone mentioned just pushing them away with trucks. The political fallout from *that* would be beyond the pale.

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    20. Re:Wheres my flying car. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Oh god no...I wouldn't be able to get to work for like a month...actually, that would be pretty nice.

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    21. Re:Wheres my flying car. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      You may even end up getting some sort of insurance coverage from unemployment. Kids might get to miss school. Outbound roads, that far away, might still be open so you can get out of town and go camping, fishing, to the beach - wherever... Just so long as you don't want to go back home until it's over, you should be good to go.

      I really, really have wanted to see the outcome of such a thing - for a lot of years. I'd hate to go through whatever it was that upset the people enough to want to do this but, I can assure you, it *will* get noticed. One thing that you can be certain of is that someone's going to get some attention and some media time. I don't know what it'd take to get that many people to do it but it'd have to be pretty terrible.

      I figure it's a step before a revolution or a civil war (though I suppose those aren't entirely separate concepts and kind of depend on who wins, controls the history books, or is favored by the press at the time). So, whatever that needs is what it'd probably take to get a bunch of people, people with enough solidarity, to do something like that. I imagine they might do it if they tried to repeal the 4th or something. If they went to repeal the 2nd then it'd skip that step and that simply would not be an option. There's not going to be a whole lot of "peaceful" with that protest.

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    22. Re:Wheres my flying car. by kenai_alpenglow · · Score: 1

      That would be .539957 https://www.google.com/search?...

    23. Re:Wheres my flying car. by mjwx · · Score: 1

      NM not to be confused with Nm or Newton Metres which is the metric unit for the measurement of torque.

      You know, you should just give up and start using the metric system, that way everything is consistent and there's no difference between a Kilometre on land and Kilometre at sea.

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    24. Re:Wheres my flying car. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I much, much prefer the metric system. I've traveled a lot and it's odd, I sometimes find myself converting a lot of the figures into metric in my head. I didn't realize I was doing this until maybe ten years ago. I even look at speed limit signs, convert them into my head into metric, and then end up converting them back when I look at the dashboard. Yeah, it's horribly wasteful but I can't seem to help doing it. I blame the US for that - and I live here!

      I think they do use the nautical mile in Europe but that might be because there's a whole lot of standardization in aircraft and watercraft. Especially at the professional level. All air-traffic control communications are in English, no matter where you go, for example. Pilots (on boats) and Captains (on boats and not the same thing all the time) I think all speak English as well. I think the nautical mile is kind of based on the metric system (it's so far divided by so many - what and what I have forgotten) and I'm pretty sure that they use it in the European countries. I think it's actually fairly universal.

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  2. Good for them! by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

    Far too often these things aren't done because they are too hard. Glad to see them take it seriously and check everything out, although I feel the pain for commuters in DC.

    1. Re:Good for them! by TopShelf · · Score: 1

      It's just too bad things had to get to this point to have the work done, just another example of how sorely we need to step up our maintenance and development of public infrastructure.

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    2. Re:Good for them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      (disclaimer, yes I am a Slashdot heretic, I read both the article and the comments attached to it)

      So, it looks like the DC Metro has a new general manager who is probably just now finally getting the reports from the establish Metro bureaucrats about how poorly maintained the whole DC underground deathtrap array is. If he can find a way to destroy the organizational inertia and make some real changes in how that rail line is run, this may end well. My cynical side wonders if he will actually work toward making a difference after this repair shutdown, and if so how long until the relevant union and their media contacts manage to force him to resign.

    3. Re:Good for them! by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Good for them! Over a first year since the first incident, they're finally getting around to it! What a responsible bunch!

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    4. Re:Good for them! by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I read both the article and the comments attached to it

      No wonder you posted as an AC. I did that once... I found out the links actually went to someone's grocery shopping list, written in Swahili, and that they'd never actually meant for us to read 'em in the first place!

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    5. Re:Good for them! by mindwhip · · Score: 1

      No it was likely a link to the Washington Post or Fox News or some similar place and you mistook their reporting style for Swahili... either that or it was the advertising on the site getting in the way again...

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    6. Re:Good for them! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      This is just "maintenance theater". This problem has been festering for years, and then all of the sudden they decide it is a "crisis" and they need to shutdown the entire system for a full day in the middle of a work week. This maintenance could have easily been done during regular daily shutdowns from midnight to 5am. Or it could have been done on a weekend. Or they could have done it one line at a time, so that there would be enough buses/taxies/ubers to handle the displaced commuters.

      The only reason they did a full system shutdown is to draw attention to themselves, and give the public the perception that they are underfunded and need more subsidies.

    7. Re:Good for them! by KGIII · · Score: 1

      The only Swahili I know is "Jambo." I used to know some other words but I've long since forgotten and I've not been back to southern Africa in a while. Oh, Jakola. (I have no idea how that's spelled - pronounced ja cool ah.) That means food. Jambo means hello. Hmm... About ten minutes after I send this, I'll remember a few more words.

      But, you're right. It probably was Fox. ;-)

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    8. Re:Good for them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, yes, all that was in the comments on the real article. The part you are overlooking is that there is a new general manager who has not been there for the many years of festering entropy. Maybe he will actually work toward fixing things and taking all that advice for future maintenance, maybe not. We'll see.

    9. Re:Good for them! by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      You're ignoring the one word that overrides any other sort of reasoning about what to do: liability.

    10. Re:Good for them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only reason they did a full system shutdown is to draw attention to themselves, and give the public the perception that they are underfunded and need more subsidies.

      In some cases this is the only way to get noticed.

      Toronto's TTC subway system was chronically underfunded in the 1980s and 1990s, and only now is it being upgraded. Our signalling system is based from the ~1950s.

      Politicians are generally only interested in ribbon cutting new projects and expansions, and not the day-to-day stuff that keeps the lights on. Don't know if this applies to DC, but no one wants to spend money on "maintenance".

  3. Why wait over a year? by timrod · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If the first deadly accident with these jumper cables happened in January of last year, why did they wait so long to close down to inspect?

    1. Re:Why wait over a year? by PhoenixFlare · · Score: 3, Informative

      Because...well, because it's the DC Metro and it's run by horrible people.

      The only thing they seem to actually care about is how much money they can make, while pushing things to the absolute limit in terms of customer service and equipment.

      I spent 6 years using the system to get back and forth from NoVA to downtown DC every day for work....and if I had to move back there now, I would be driving and paying for parking, absolutely no hesitation, even though it'd probably be at least twice the cost.

      See https://twitter.com/unsuckdcme... for many, many examples.

    2. Re:Why wait over a year? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because there was not another similar incident until last weekend.

      Metro is exceptionally busy in DC during commuter hours. I am very glad I'm not in DC this week, I'm sure it's a nightmare.

    3. Re:Why wait over a year? by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      It takes time to be sure of the cause, sure that there are related items that need to be checked, sure you're not going to get fired for bringing it up...

    4. Re:Why wait over a year? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My thoughts exactly.
      Not a problem.
      Not a problem.
      Not a problem.
      Oops we need to shutdown and inspect before someone else gets hurt.

    5. Re:Why wait over a year? by oneiros27 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The biggest reason is that someone else was in charge last year.

      After the first* incident government agency (NTSB?) ordered the cables inspected, and WMATA (the people who run the DC Metro) use their own crews to do the inspection, in the off-hours.

      Now WMATA has a new leader, who's much more focused on safety (I think they said he came from the airline industry) ... and the incident happened again. So he said (or at least hinted at, I was driving while WTOP was broadcasting the press conference) that they can't trust the last inspection, and they're bringing in outside crews to do the inspection this time around.

      * "first" only in terms of this problem. Two family friends died in the 2009 red line crash, which killed nine people.

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    6. Re:Why wait over a year? by wiredog · · Score: 1

      They did inspect it, and then one of the cables that had passed the inspection failed and caught fire yesterday.

    7. Re:Why wait over a year? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the first deadly accident with these jumper cables happened in January of last year, why did they wait so long to close down to inspect?

      It was inspected after the first fire.

      From the article:
      "In an especially unnerving revelation, Wiedefeld confirmed that the cable that caught fire Monday had been inspected as part of a systemwide cable inspection after the Yellow Line fire — and passed. "

    8. Re:Why wait over a year? by merky1 · · Score: 2

      They did inspect them. They just did such a craptacular job, that another lit on fire 2 days ago (luckily off hours). The problem with metro is purely political. Between all of the contracts and oversight, nothing gets done. Situations like this are a prime example why outsourcing in government fails horribly.

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    9. Re:Why wait over a year? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I remember that article. I don't recall any "two people" who died in it except a ANG general and his wife. Odds are, unless you're strange luck and the news didn't mention it, those would be your family friends. Unless there were other groups of two in the total group of nine that were fatally injured and the news didn't mention them. I seem to recall he was in the DC ANG but have no idea what the name was. (By sheer happenstance, I was in the area at the time.)

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    10. Re:Why wait over a year? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      They had a second fire in one week? I did not catch that one the news.

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    11. Re:Why wait over a year? by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      Your logic is flawed. The two people didn't have to be connected to each other. They just had to be connected via friendship to oneiros' family.

    12. Re:Why wait over a year? by vtcodger · · Score: 1

      "The only thing they seem to actually care about is how much money they can make,"

      Not so. They seem to be obsessed with the possibility that one or more passengers might eat or drink something. They CARE about preventing that.

      That said, I live out in the boonies nowadays and haven't experienced the DC metro for 8 or 10 years. But I recall it as being no worse than, and possibly a bit better than the Boston MTA, NYC subways, PATH, the Japanese subway and train systems, or the London underground. Has it changed?

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    13. Re:Why wait over a year? by Salgak1 · · Score: 1
      Actually, traffic was up ~100-200% on my drive in, but was not slowed. That was rather surprising.

      But then, I'm in early (arrive 6AM) and leave early (2:30PM)

    14. Re:Why wait over a year? by Tran · · Score: 1

      yeah, maybe run by horrible people.
      I know you are not implying at all, but this is not limited to government. Working in the private sector (huge manufacturing company in the US, ~$20 billion, albeit our location is a tiny part (~34 million) ).

      We have similar issues - basically boils down to: maintenance is not sexy,

      unless a machine is brand spanking new. It is amazing how quickly maintenance is seen as a drain of resources rather than a necessary part of business. Even though i work in the offices rather than the floor, I still shake my head when there are complaints about the inability to meet customer deadlines, yet have too many machines running at less than 80% (some only at 50%) capability.

      Horrible people or poor management? A little of both I suppose, in our case. I don't know about the DC Metro, but I suspect a similar, maybe exacerbated situation.

    15. Re:Why wait over a year? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      No, your reading comprehension is flawed. That's covered with the "strange luck" and is intentionally why I wrote "strange luck." After all, what are the odds of that? Not very high, not very high at all.

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    16. Re:Why wait over a year? by fhage · · Score: 1

      Don't forget, the US Congress governs DC. The dysfunction is by design.

    17. Re:Why wait over a year? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Were you worried that his story might get more attention than your post about knowing two Swahili words, and you had to debunk it immediately?

    18. Re:Why wait over a year? by RDW · · Score: 1

      That said, I live out in the boonies nowadays and haven't experienced the DC metro for 8 or 10 years. But I recall it as being no worse than, and possibly a bit better than the Boston MTA, NYC subways, PATH, the Japanese subway and train systems, or the London underground. Has it changed?

      I was in the DC area a lot about 15 years ago, and found the system much, much nicer to use to use than most of the London Underground or the NYC subway, with few technical problems. In 2013 I went back and had the alarming experience of sitting on a train that started to fill with acrid fumes as something began to burn, luckily while still at one of the above ground stations. Passengers in 2015 weren't so lucky, when a smoke incident in a tunnel caused a fatality. Decades of neglect, including inadequate cleaning and maintenance, seem to have taken their toll: https://www.washingtonpost.com...

    19. Re:Why wait over a year? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Yes, yes that's exactly that.

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    20. Re:Why wait over a year? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Because...well, because it's the DC Metro and it's run by horrible people.

      The only thing they seem to actually care about is how much money they can make, while pushing things to the absolute limit in terms of customer service and equipment.

      I spent 6 years using the system to get back and forth from NoVA to downtown DC every day for work....and if I had to move back there now, I would be driving and paying for parking, absolutely no hesitation, even though it'd probably be at least twice the cost.

      See https://twitter.com/unsuckdcme... for many, many examples.

      DC's metro system isn't that bad. You should try coming to Perth, Western Australia where not only does Transperth take 3 times as long as driving but they also claim that weather shut down one of their lines on a perfectly clear spring day... That is if you're lucky enough to be in an area serviced by Transperth.

      After a month or two on Perth's public transport system you'll go back singing the praises of the DC Metro.

      Also come to England and experience the wide open spaces of London's tube stations.

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  4. Where is my 3D printed Hyperloop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Made from privately-mined asteroid resources and powered by a space-based solar panel array?

    Hmm, where is it yuo Luddites!?

  5. In related news... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

    In related news, I-94 outside of Milwaukee will be shut down late Friday night to allow bridge construction to continue. Seriously though, infrastructure breaks down and needs major repairs from time to time, so why is this news to the point of causing the Washington Post to whine about some repairs as a "national embarrassment." (Believe me - no one outside of DC cares one bit about this story.)

    1. Re:In related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In related news, I-94 outside of Milwaukee will be shut down late Friday night to allow bridge construction to continue. Seriously though, infrastructure breaks down and needs major repairs from time to time, so why is this news to the point of causing the Washington Post to whine about some repairs as a "national embarrassment." (Believe me - no one outside of DC cares one bit about this story.)

      Hint: the Washington Post is in Washington, DC. I am sure this closure inconvenienced their employees today. I love the >implication that journalists would never let their personal feelings leak into an article.

    2. Re:In related news... by digitalderbs · · Score: 3, Informative

      I lived in DC for 5 years. Before, I lived in NYC for 5 years, and I'm now living in Chicago for 3, so I have some basis for comparison. The DC metro system is in an unusually high state of disrepair. Fixes don't happen until they're life threatening--and even then, they sometimes don't happen for a year.

      While I was living in DC, at least 2 DC metro events made the national news: the first was the train collision that killed a few people because the conductors weren't coordinated, and the second was due to an escalator brake collapsing, leading to multiple injuries. I've also had to find alternative means of transportation due to 2 fires in the metro system. People aren't complaining that work is being done on the system. People are complaining that there is very little maintenance and that problems get so severe that a whole system shutdown is needed.

      There have been a number of articles in the Post about the state of disrepair for the DC metro system. Many people have speculated that the system is corrupt. They certainly charge enough for the service. A 30 minute trip costs about $2.25, and a one hour trip costs about $5.00.

      After having used the NYC, DC and Chicago systems extensively--and the BART system--I'd have to say that the DC system is a disaster. The problem is particularly acute for the DC area since the city is not designed to handle the amount of traffic its population would otherwise need.

    3. Re:In related news... by McGruber · · Score: 1

      In related news, I-94 outside of Milwaukee will be shut down late Friday night to allow bridge construction to continue.

      That's just one single bridge, not an entire system, being shutdown for planned construction over a weekend.... after plenty of notice was given to the people who use the bridge.

      Do you remember when Milwaukee's Hoan Bridge failed back on December 13, 2000? To be similar to what's happening in DC, people would have been killed during a Milwaukee bridge collapse, then a second Milwaukee bridge would have to have collapsed a few months later, then all of of Milwaukee's interstates would have had to be shutdown for safety inspections on a Wednesday, in the middle of the work week.

    4. Re:In related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Again? Wisconsin has been "working" on I-94 since I moved to the area in 2008. 8 years and they still haven't finished!

    5. Re:In related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having only been to DC and San Fran for cities with public transit, I marveled at how quickly people can get around with a metro system in place. I walked into the DC tunnels and thought, this is one of the world's modern marvels!

      I have grown up in Houston and San Antonio.

    6. Re:In related news... by Digicrat · · Score: 1

      I grew up in NYC, and have been living near DC for almost 10 years now.

      It's not so much that the DC system is in a greater state of disrepair (NYC's subway system is breaking down all the time), but rather that the DC system is much more fragile. In NYC, there are both local and express tracks, and in lower Manhattan multiple lines within a few blocks of each other, such that when a section of track needs repair, it is much easier to re-route. Growing up, the only time the entire system ever shut down was for a strike. In recent years though, weather-related concerns have caused multiple system-wide shutdowns as water levels rise and the system becomes more fragile with age.

      The DC system is also relatively new, and was built as part of a unified plan, meaning that if there's a design or manufacturing defect somewhere, it's more likely to affect everything. NYC (and likely Chicago) subways have been built up over the past century (originally by independent, competing companies) and contain different generations of equipment making it less likely that any given issue will be systemic to the entire metro system.

      In the case of the big Red Line crash a few years ago, that clearly showed a poor design of the DC Metro system. Instead of having a fail-safe backup system from the beginning (ie: there are physical emergency break triggers at red lights in the NYC subway system), they were entirely dependent on a system of computer sensors with a human operator serving as an insufficient pseudo-backup.

  6. https://www.google.com/search?q=brig+gen+wherley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read about Brigadier General Wherley and how he died.

  7. DC is the embarrassment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Or rather, the culture that allowed this to happen.

    Last January, an electrical fire caused by problems in feeder wires that provide power to the rails killed someone. The NTSB ordered DC Metro to inspect ALL such feeder wires.

    Last Monday, another electrical fire was caused by a problem in feeder wires - wires that were apparently "inspected" and "passed" just a few months ago.

    In other words, the previous inspections were falsified. In US Navy parlance, they were "gundecked".

    My guess is a few mid-level managers and quite a bit of workers who did the earlier "inspections" are about to be fired - after EVERYONE spends 24 hours not getting paid overtime fixing the problems they previously worked hard to hide.

    FWIW, the new director of DC Metro - Paul Wiedefeld - came from running BWI airport, which he once shut down for an entire day due to a crappy safety record.

  8. Did an Initial Inspection & Repair, New Fire by Koreantoast · · Score: 4, Informative

    WMATA did an inspection of the jumper cables back in February 2015 and then replaced around 120 or so. They probably thought the problem was resolved at that point. Unfortunately, a new fire earlier this week revealed that the problem has not been resolved.

  9. It's actually for cleaning... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    It's an election year, so the metro is filling up with the black ooze that is the souls of congress and other politicians.

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  10. 2014 experience with USA public transit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In 2014 I travelled for the first time to the United States, and I was astonished at the public transit system. It felt like stepping into a third world country. It was dirty, smelt of human urine (?!), there were people wandering around shouting loudly and insanely to no one, and the rolling stock felt like it was taken straight from 1950's, rather than being clean and modern. I found it all very frightening.

    I don't know what went wrong there, but if I lived there I would try to never use that system as the experience was so wretched. Contrast with Tokyo, London, Moscow, and any number of other major cities with clean, safe, and modern public transportation systems that alleviate the need for automotive traffic which congests the lanes.

    1. Re:2014 experience with USA public transit by KGIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's 'cause we can afford cars. No, seriously. We don't rely on mass transit - it's a cultural thing. Look at the percentages and socio-economic class of people who use the (limited) mass transit available.

      Also, I have to wonder if you're stupid or just ignorant - and, if the latter, it is willfully so? Seriously. The US is a rather diverse and large place. I notice you compared the mass transit of the US to just cities in other countries - which demonstrates an even greater willingness to bias your statements.

      I'd also wonder why you'd lie... You've absolutely, zero chance, not seen all of the public transit in the US. So, I doubt you were astonished by such a thing as you've not seen it.

      Which leads me to this... You're almost certainly, by deduction, a liar - and you've probably not been to any of the places you seem to claim you've been and that includes the places you're contrasting with. It's telling, in some ways, that you used Moscow - I've been to Moscow and been on public transit there (you'll need to narrow down which transit(s) you speak of) and am inclined to think you've never actually been.

      So, you're probably actually from the US. Your writing style, the grammar and verbiage used, indicate that you're really from the US. That means you probably don't own a passport and haven't been out of the US in your life. I'm not sure why you'd lie - except to troll. However, trolls are my source of amusement at times - more so when I'm bored, and it's fun to pick apart the idiocy they spout for their own amusement. Thank you for the fun game. I appreciated it and the folks who read the response may also be aware of the idiocies in your post.

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    2. Re:2014 experience with USA public transit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While many systems in the US are much like you described, the Washington metro is actually among the best in the world as far as cleanliness and appearance. They just have safety issues.

    3. Re:2014 experience with USA public transit by smithmc · · Score: 1

      I don't know where you're from, but the mass-transit system with which I have the most personal experience - the NYC subway - *does* stink of urine sometimes, and sometimes *does* have crazy shouting people in it. On the other hand, it is one of the oldest and most extensive metro systems in the world, and is relatively cheap for what you get - $2.75 for a ride from the Queens/Nassau border all the way into Manhattan and up into the Bronx if you want, is a pretty good deal IMO. I've ridden the Underground a few times, and it was cleaner and more modern, but also quite a bit more expensive.

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    4. Re:2014 experience with USA public transit by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Sure, I don't think that runs counter to anything I said - do you?

      Well, I suppose you must, given the tone and that you bothered replying.

      To demonstrate, I don't think I've seen any disturbing things in the subways in the Boston area nor on the buses. The buses in the area I'm local with at the moment aren't bad at all - or weren't the last time I was on them. I've not been on them at all since I came down here to spend the winter but I've been on them before. I've not been on any of Boston's subways in a few years but I did take a train down to Boston from Portland and that was actually quite nice.

      I've been on shitty and good public transport across the globe. The US' isn't that good but that's not really the point of my reply to them either. If you think it is, that means you probably didn't read/understand my post. (The latter of which could be my fault.) No, the point is that they're a liar.

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    5. Re:2014 experience with USA public transit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I defer to The Simpsons, on multiple occasions:

      "Public transportation is for jerks and lesbians" - Homer (Episode EABF15)

      "Clean reliable public transportation, the chariot of the people, the ride of choice for the poor and very poor alike" - Lisa (Episode 5F17)

    6. Re:2014 experience with USA public transit by sexconker · · Score: 1

      "I was sure you'd be on foot, because you always say public transportation is for losers." - Marge (Episode 3F24)

    7. Re:2014 experience with USA public transit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I actually am from the USA, and I can attest that many of our mass transit systems ARE used as public toilets. And they are dangerous as fuck.

      There might be some good ones, but generally, the ones in Europe are night and day better. I can't speak to the Far East though, never been.

    8. Re:2014 experience with USA public transit by bluegutang · · Score: 1

      Actually, he was 100% right.

      Looking at NYC because it's the closest peer to Moscow: NYC claims it is impossible to run more than 30 trains per hour on its most crowded subway lines, while Moscow routinely runs 42-44 trains per hour on its lines. NYC subway stops are routinely dumps; Moscow stops are architectural marvels. So it's not surprising that Moscow's subway has 60% more riders per mile.

      As for smaller US cities, they typically consist of just buses except for maybe one central corridor. The buses are clean, but they usually run once every half hour or hour, so they are useless for getting anywhere in a timely manner, and almost the only people who use them are those who can't afford cars.

    9. Re:2014 experience with USA public transit by KGIII · · Score: 1

      He was right about what? He lied, he wasn't *right* about anything.

      Moscow is really neat - I didn't argue against that nor did I, in any way, indicate that NYC was anything other than what it was. Did you read what they wrote? Did you read what I wrote? I'm thinking that you didn't or, for some reason, either added things to their post or to my post. I responded to what they said and I meant everything that I said.

      I'm not sure why you inserted NYC's subway system. It's not the topic and neither of us mentioned it. For starters, they compared a whole country (that they've never seen all of) with individual cities. Yet, here you are saying they're right.

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    10. Re:2014 experience with USA public transit by Digicrat · · Score: 1

      Let's be fair. Our public transit system is more like a second world country ;-) With the exception of certain historic lines (ie: San Francisco's trolley's), the rolling stock doesn't date to the 50s, but can be as old as the 70s or 80s, though most cities with trains that old are in the process of actively refreshing their stock.

      I've visited Europe several times now, but have yet to visit Asia. The older parts of the public transit systems in Europe are generally comparable to the US, though I'll admit they do a better job of keeping them clean. I think that's in part due to European cities actually hiring janitors for their subway systems, and actively keeping the homeless out. European systems are generally newer, more expensive, and better connected for travel between cities. Conversely, European cities are generally less friendly (and more costly) for automobiles.

      Keep in mind also, that subway systems in the US are around 100 years old, whereas most systems in Europe are significantly newer, or have been almost completely rebuilt in the last half-century. Public transit systems in the US are also focused just on moving tourists and commuters within big cities; smaller cities, suburbs, and transport between cities is generally done via car in the US. This isn't necessarily better, but it is a significant difference in culture. And the only thing that changes more slowly than culture is government-funded infrastructure.

    11. Re:2014 experience with USA public transit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen drunken Red Sox fans on the Boston subway. That's quite disturbing!

    12. Re:2014 experience with USA public transit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll take dirty, smelly, and safe over clean, fresh, and dangerous any day.

    13. Re:2014 experience with USA public transit by KGIII · · Score: 1

      That is true. You have me there. It won't *normally* smell like piss - even when the fans are out and about. I don't know where they're pissing but probably not in the subway. Their bathrooms aren't actually that bad. I went to school in Cambridge, have some property and relatives in Dorchester and Roxbury, and have spent time in town off-and-on throughout my whole life. The subway system, even the buses, have improved a great deal since the 70s. Hell, the Plains have improved a lot since then. A lot sure has changed.

      My property is up on Beech Glen Street (near Fort Ave and Highland Park) and it is absolutely amazing how much it has changed since then. I've got a relative that lives there and pays the bills (no rent, they just pay for costs and any repairs or upgrades) and I go to visit and have a room that's always there for me in the city. It's my "go to" when I get down that way - I retired to NW Maine.

      When I first got to spend time, as a young adult, it was in the 1970s. It was a rough neighborhood and the place was pretty rough looking in general. Dorchester wasn't a whole lot better. Southie was a bit run-down. I'd a bunch of relatives over in Salem, in and around it, and spent quite a bit of time there in the 60s - before they went kind of strange. All of my relatives are gone from that area now, all gone to the Left Coast, except for a couple in Peabody and then some others out on the Cape. Err... That side of the family are the "Prescott" side. *sighs* I don't really fit in with 'em. Old money smells moldy.

      At any rate, I guess the point is that it's really changed in so many ways. Even the subway is mostly good. I was on one of the buses not too long ago, a relative and I took 'em around town as I didn't feel like driving (I was pretty trashed) and the taxi drivers have always been meatheads in that city. So, we bused in and then spent a bunch of time in town before hopping on the subway and going out a bit (I want to say we over to Quincy Market) to eat and it wasn't bad at all.

      Even shambling back, all the more inebriated, wasn't bad. I can assure you that neither of us even considered urinating on the train or near the platform. Then again, whilst we were inebriated, we weren't actually drunk. Well, I wasn't. I don't think they were. At least not much. Hell, we didn't even get mugged. The city really has changed a lot.

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    14. Re:2014 experience with USA public transit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of those assholes ghost-writing all the laws in the US are taking the DC Metro to work. This has nothing to do with socio-economic status of riders. The DC metrorail system must have some serious problems. This shit doesn't happen in NYC, whose system is decades older and at least an order of magnitude larger and more complex than DC's system.

  11. Greedy WaPo sucks ! by alexhs · · Score: 0

    "You only have two remaining free articles for this month"
    Yet I didn't notice a single free article, they were plastered with ads anyway.
    (I don't have an ad blocker installed on the work computer, I guess I should install one)

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    1. Re:Greedy WaPo sucks ! by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      talk to mr. bezos

      Personally I don't read it any more because of it's decidedly screwball view of reality. #YMMV

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  12. There is no other explanation than corruption. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The material used for DC metro is made in Italy by AnsaldoBreda. The only other countries use these trains are in extremely corrupted countries in Africa.
    I was surprised to see it when visiting DC, never had I been in a metro that is so slow, noisy, looking unsafe (moving parts, big gaps between plates) and a smell of smoldering plastic and hot soldering iron.

    This company has a has a history of bad equipment and corruption:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AnsaldoBreda#Controversies

    The trains catch fire, run off the rails, etc.. Probably DC does run the trains slower than originally specified to prevent these issues.

    Even in China the metro trains are made by Siemens/Bosch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens_Modular_Metro

    1. Re:There is no other explanation than corruption. by thevirtualcat · · Score: 1

      Actually, WMATA's rolling stock comes from several companies.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Breda made the 2000, 3000 and 4000 series trains. The 2000 and 3000 series were remanufactured by Alstom in the 2000's and the 4000 series are being retired early and replaced with 7000 series, which were manufactured by Kawasaki.

      I can't speak to the quality of Alstom or Kawasaki, but it seems they at least learned their lesson about Breda. Eventually.

    2. Re:There is no other explanation than corruption. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably DC does run the trains slower than originally specified to prevent these issues.

      There's also no express trains, which would be an incredible oversight on a system designed to move people quickly. I've always assumed that the planners didn't think anyone would be in a hurry to get downtown.

      Why there's no quicker way to get out of town remains unexplained.

  13. Its the truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The cables man, we are shutting down because of the cables. Moo says the sheople.

  14. Let me get this straight.... by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is a serious incident on Monday, one of a number that have been raising concern. The metro decides to shut down the system to do a major safety inspection. That is somehow bad?

    The summary suggests that they could have waited until the weekend, which is true or done it at night over a longer period of time, which is also true. Of course, if another incident had occurred in either of those time frames and lives were lost, what then?

    Have we really gotten to the point in the US that no matter what the authorities do, even with matters of safety, it is always bad?

    1. Re:Let me get this straight.... by decsnake · · Score: 2

      Have we really gotten to the point in the US that no matter what the authorities do, even with matters of safety, it is always bad?

      the answer to that question is, clearly, yes.

    2. Re:Let me get this straight.... by smithmc · · Score: 1

      There is a serious incident on Monday, one of a number that have been raising concern. The metro decides to shut down the system to do a major safety inspection. That is somehow bad?

      Yes, when they supposedly inspected all the cables last year, and supposedly found them to be OK. That is somehow bad.

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    3. Re:Let me get this straight.... by McGruber · · Score: 1

      There is a serious incident on Monday, one of a number that have been raising concern. The metro decides to shut down the system to do a major safety inspection. That is somehow bad?

      The editorial (3rd link in the story) posed this question:

      But if the situation was dire enough to require a unilateral shutdown at midnight, why was it simultaneously okay for people to ride home on Tuesday night?

    4. Re:Let me get this straight.... by thevirtualcat · · Score: 1

      If this were the only safety incident, sure.

      But at this point, they have the credibility of a US Senator talking about corruption when it comes to safety.

    5. Re:Let me get this straight.... by sexconker · · Score: 0

      There is a serious incident on Monday, one of a number that have been raising concern. The metro decides to shut down the system to do a major safety inspection. That is somehow bad?

      It's a WaPo opinion "article". Some "journalist" got his jimmies rustled and had to whaa whaa whaa about it. WaPo editors, having nothing of worth to publish and having no standards, ran with it.

    6. Re:Let me get this straight.... by WheezyJoe · · Score: 2

      ...but a step in the right direction. After a long string of charlatan political hacks at the helm, DC Metro finally has a guy in charge with the balls to do something so terribly impolitic as shut down the system for 29 hours during the week with little warning, to fix stuff.

      This was a ballsy move, any way you slice it. He's gonna take some heat for this, but it was the right thing to do. But he has a long way to go. 3-flight escalators in and out of stations haven't run in years, cars desperately need upgrades, track work, and not a small bit of morale for a work force that often seems to care less.

      DC Metro was the newest, cleanest, nicest, bestest subway in the world when it opened in 1977. Trouble is, politicians haven't learned how to make maintenance sexy (but I give props to NYC... their system looks better each time I visit, pretty good for a system going on 100 years... you put up with some rats, urine and crazies every so often, depending on the stop, but in NYC, it's amazing how quickly you get used to is as just part of the flavor of the City).

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    7. Re:Let me get this straight.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      by say delaying a million people by over 30 minutes today, they've effectively "used up" an entire *lifetime*---so yah, they've actually killed a person today.

    8. Re:Let me get this straight.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wasn't. But you need to understand something about Washington DC.

      It's set up basically as a hub-and-spoke system for public transportation, and if everyone who took the metrorail to work suddenly couldn't use it to get home, people would be stuck in the city ... for a very long time. DC doesn't have the taxicab bandwidth that, say, NYC has. It doesn't have the metrobus bandwidth to handle all those people. They simply had to get everyone home first.

  15. Not that bad in comparison by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    It's official: Metro is a national embarrassment."

    The US electoral process, on the other hand, is an international embarrassment. I never watch reality TV, and even I'm keeping track of it.

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  16. What caused the fire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Since when do power cables spontaneously combust? What actually caused the fires, has there been any disclosure?

    1. Re:What caused the fire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They way I have heard it explained is that the cables are copper covered in an orange plastic jacket and due to age the plastic jacket is rotting away exposing the copper to the elements. Eventually it gets to the point that the wire itself fails due to the exposure and voltage and combusts burning the junk that has accumulated around if from years of neglect..

  17. Meanwhile by JustOK · · Score: 1

    In Canada Via Rail increasing security after receiving threat
    Sniffer dogs and RCMP being deployed at some stations
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/...

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  18. I live in the DC area currently, and yes .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is absolutely true. I have to exit the Metro at the downtown Bethesda station most work-days, and the escalators are worrisome, to say the least. On a fairly regular basis, one of them stops running suddenly, with a loud clang, jolting everyone on it. Then WMATA workers are seen scrambling around to direct people to wait in the station until they can get it restarted, or to take the elevator instead (which is a SLOW process, as the one elevator only holds 8 people or so at a time).

    Within 10 minutes or so, they usually seem to get it restarted just by having an authorized person flip the tripped circuit breaker in the control room. You have to wonder what's REALLY wrong, causing it to kick off like that, though?

    They promised all new escalators would be installed at that station, but they've been working on that, piecemeal, for months and months now. The middle escalator has been out of service since 3rd. quarter 2015 or so, and so far, no signs they've even got the replacement metal steps put back in yet.

    As for the metro train cars themselves? They still use quite a few of the cars that are almost as old as the metro system itself. (I think the only model older is the type that doesn't even have an LED signboard on the outside telling you where it's going, but had a paper sign that flipped, instead. They still use one of those retired cars as the money collection car when they have to service the ticket machines in stations.) But yeah ... they're old, worn out looking, and really need to be taken out of service. The cars one model newer added the feature of telling passengers, on the inside, what the next station stop would be on a display. But every time they connect up one of the older model cars to those, it breaks that functionality -- so then the signboard is stuck simply displaying the name of the metro line during the whole trip. They're constantly mixing and matching them so 3 out of 4 times, that feature is broken.

    They just started putting new cars in service, but I only see one of them circulating right now. I understand they had some fiasco with the new ones where the doors weren't opening and closing properly, and they didn't think to buy them with a service agreement that included techs coming on-site to adjust or fix them. So they actually have to send the cars back to Japan to be adjusted properly!

    They also recently had some issues with robberies happening on the trains. So what did they do? Wasted a bunch of money putting together a committee to discuss the problem and come up with possible improvements. Their suggestions at the end of all that? Real no-brainers like "Have more police ride on the metro cars." Duh! We *pay* people for those ideas?

  19. This, and striking unions are the two big reasons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... why mass transit will never defeat private individual/family transport in the US. People who've experienced freedom do not like to be at the mercy of morons or jerks and they hate being inconvenienced by bureaucrats who do not plan well, do not provide sufficient advanced warnings of service interruptions, and do not have good explanations for the inconveniences.

    It's already very problematic that mass transit:

    1. does not meet you at your point of origin (so you must waste time and energy getting yourself to a station)

    2. does not deliver you to your destination (so you must waste time and energy getting from a station)

    3. does not travel on your schedule (so you must waste time leaving earlier than necessary on every trip and probably waste time at your destination because you arrived too early)

    4. forces you to be in proximity to strangers (mass transit, by definition, packs a bunch of strangers into compartments where they are stuck for the duration of the trip) who may be dangerous or nuts (governments love to pack the government-dependent mentally-compromised onto mass transit)

    5. Puts you at the mercy of the frequently poorly trained, possibly incompetent, often lazy and distracted vehicle operators

    But, HEY, What's not to like?

    The ONLY mass transit systems likely to partially succeed in the US are automated systems like Hyperloop, and self-driving cabs. Each of these eliminates several of the issues listed above, and Hyperloopp adds crazy speeds with fewer people per cabin. Normal subways, trains, and busses suffer from all of them.

     

  20. Can we address the elepahnt in the room? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Metro's first priority in hiring is race, not competence.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com...

    http://www.foxnews.com/politic...

    corruption and culture of ignoring the rules? no wonder maintenance doesn't get done.

  21. 1994 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used the DC metro back in 1994 and it was awesome. Granted, I'm sure a lot has changed since then...

  22. Cable joints ARE important. by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
    I just spent the afternoon inspecting and repairing 2 (two) COTS portable heaters in my parent's hous, both of which had failed in the last several weeks.

    Both had similar failures - one of the AC-power lines had over-heated at the (automotive "spade" connector), singing the cable insulation until it shorted out elsewhere. Inadequate jointing design. One cable I replaced, another - where a plastic-bodied time clock was physically close - I took the clock out of the circuit, leaving the thermostat operating.

    Same vendor. I left it to my father to choose whether to report the (common) fault. Both devices failed safe. Dad understands the situation and implications - it's up to him whether to report the (common, design) fault. We both suspect "built-in failure," as failure of the devices (see above - failed safe) would typically lead to replacement of the device instead of investigation of the fault. In which case the likely respones would be "here are new ones, can we have the evidence for evaluation" (for cases of "evaluation" identical to "destroy the evidence").

    Tesco probaly hate people like us who deny them their extra #40 of sales for 1 hour of investigation and repair. I get the feeling that we're not meant to do this.

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