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Laid-Off Abbott IT Workers Won't Have To Train Their Replacements (computerworld.com)

dcblogs writes: An angry letter from Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) protesting Abbott Labs' IT employee layoff may be having an impact, but not the way the senator wanted. The layoffs are part of plan by Abbott to shift some IT work to India-based Wipro, a major user H-1B visas, and Abbott is proceeding with the cuts despite Durbin's plea "to reconsider this plan and retain these U.S. workers." Abbott put the number of impacted IT employees at "fewer than 150." Durbin's letter has it at 180. But Abbott may be making changes in how the layoffs are conducted. IT employees, who only spoke on the condition of anonymity, said they were initially told they would be training replacements. But Abbott said Friday that the "affected Abbott IT employees are not being asked to train their replacements." The firm's statement appears to confirm the latest employee accounts of what's going on. One worker said the replacement training may be limited to employees who aren't losing their jobs. The training of replacements was a major issue for Durbin. In his letter to the firm, Durbin wrote: "To add insult to injury, the Abbott Labs IT staff who will be laid off will first be forced to train their replacements."

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  1. Sit back and enjoy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The sheer capacity of a whole nation to harm itself repeatedly in the name of a long debunked economic fantasy is, as always, astounding.

  2. Cheers by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Probably should have organized instead of acting like they unique Libertarian snowflakes like half of the IT staff I've every worked with, who were convinced they were the best and didn't want to be dragged down to the level of their fellow man.

    I guess the ones that were the best are now training their replacements.

    1. Re:Cheers by rally2xs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, Trump has done some of those things as a businessman, but he didn't necessarily like it, it was just forced upon him if he wanted to win the bid.

      Its like the founding fathers. Some were even slave owners, but every last one of them hated the institution of slavery, and wanted to abolish it. They couldn't, tho, or they wouldn't have been able to form a union of states amongst the southern states which depended on slaves to operate their great plantations. There would have been less than 13 colonies in the original USA if they had insisted.

      Send all the illegals back home, and enforce the laws against the H1B abuse that is technically illegal right now, and make America for Americans again. I think Trump will do it. Voting for him gives us a chance. Most of the other politicians will lie to us and tell us they will help us, but go to Washington and do exactly the opposite. The ones that try simply don't know how to do it, the wall for instance. They're saying, in spite of China building a wall 13,000 miles long 1000 years BC, that its too big a job to build a 1000 mile wall in 2016. Trump says, "A wall? A wall is easy. You want to know what's hard? A 95 story building is hard. I can do that too!" He can at least do it, and I believe he will try. That, right there, is way ahead of any other politician.

    2. Re:Cheers by StillAnonymous · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Trade barriers and walls never made anyone more productive and wealthy

      I'm not entirely sure about that. Every time we reduce trade barriers, things seem to get worse. We lose jobs, products get shittier, wages go down, and prices still go up. The only thing that's gotten better overall is electronics/tech, and that's probably in spite of what's happening.

      "Free" trade made sense when shipping costs meant that it was still profitable to produce goods locally and you only bought from other nations what you couldn't produce yourselves. When shipping is almost free, and labor in another country is almost free, when that other country doesn't make you properly dispose of environmental waste or treat workers like human beings, how can you possibly compete?? You can't. This outsourcing will continue until America is nothing but a shadow of its former self. Do you really want the majority of the people living in huts and on the streets like in India?

      Some love to say that people just need to get into "more creative" jobs, but ignore that fact that it's statistically impossible for any significant portion of the people to do that. Not just due to ability, but if you do get that situation, creative jobs will no longer pay a living wage. Even if you can get 30% of the workforce into these positions, are you just going to throw the other 70% overboard?

      Why is it that in the 50's, you could have a single family member working a blue collar job, while still having enough to buy a modest house, a car, and the ability to feed and raise 6 kids, yet 60 years of "progress" later, there's no way in hell that is possible. The excuse these days is that people buy way too much house and spend money on junk. To a degree, that's true, but even if you didn't have cell phone, cable, and 2 brand new cars, you still couldn't live like they could in the 50's.

      I think free trade is a great idea, IF all countries are playing on the same level. That's not the case, so what's the solution?

    3. Re:Cheers by radish · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I work in tech, and my wife is (was) a teacher. She was forced to join a union she didn't want to join. She was forced to take a deduction from her paycheck to pay for a union she had no interest in supporting. That union stalled pay negotiations for years so she never got a raise, despite getting stellar performance reviews. She was screwed over by her management on more than one occasion, and the union did exactly zero to help her. Let me repeat that - they literally shrugged and said she was on her own. There were other fun incidents, like when her own union prevented her from staying late a couple of hours to finish something which would have helped her kids - because it would have set a bad example for the other teachers. The union's ability to stifle any kind of enthusiasm, innovation or passion is seemingly unbounded. The US education system is in a mess, for lots of reasons, but the unions are absolutely part of the problem.

      I have no interest in voting for Trump - I'm a left leaning socialist, but however noble the intent of trade unions may be, the reality (of the one's I've seen) is they're basically a get rich scheme for lazy wannabe politicians. There has to be a better way of protecting workers.

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  3. The Great Equalization Begins by west · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While I'm desperately trying to remain as productive as at least 6 Indian employees so I don't get off-shored, I have to admit I'm left with the awkward question "Do I deserve to be part of the 1% (household income $48K) solely on the basis of hereditary privilege?"

    I have a feeling we're entering the era of the "Great Equalization". And I have to say, that it absolutely sucks for those who, as part of the developed world, were automatically part of the elite. And if its bad for me, it's going to be terrible for my children.

    I just wish I had better moral claim than "I was born rich, so I deserve to remain rich."

    1. Re:The Great Equalization Begins by Junta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Beyond pay, this also veers toward indentured servitude type stuff going on. Once here, the employer holds an unreasonable amount of power (firing means deportation). This is a very dangerous trend.

      Not to say H1-B is always abused, I know some brilliant H1-B folks (company got H1-B to specifically get those people by name, and I get the impression they are paid a premium as well). But the trend of do some labor gymnastics to replace local with H1-B systematically... that's a problem.

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  4. Re: Training Replacements = confession by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your political system makes it pretty much a requirement for a politician if he wants to compete on a national level that he takes bribes. Either that or he is himself SO rich that the political "career" is more akin to a hobby for him 'cause a rich boy needs some rich boy's toys.

    You need money to run for an office. LOTS of it. And the only sensible way to get it is to beg for it from corporations. Who in turn are certainly not going to do this out of the good of their hearts. So what do you expect?

    Personally I prefer our system. Here, if you manage to get a modest sum of votes you get your campaigning costs back from tax money. Yes, that costs my money. True.

    But at least that way I buy the crook.

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  5. Unions have major problems too by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The biggest problem with IT workers is that they feel that their work and effort is not being recognized, and their pay and benefits are not being proportional to the effort and intelligence put in.
    Unions will not fix that problem, but hinder it, as the top employee will be treated the same as the lazy and/or inadequate employee. As well Unions tend to have a wider agenda and will expand to beyond just your field, and to a wider scope. When it comes to negotiations they will agree on such things such as laying off the few high salary people in order to get twice as many cheaper employees, as they will bring in more money for dues.
    Also with a Union shop, you learn to keep your mouth shut for any ideas that may be against the union, otherwise you are in trouble.

    I have worked in unioned and non-unioned shops. Unions make sense for blue-collar jobs, because such jobs easily replaceable and are open to abuse towards a persons health and safety.
    Government/Teaching jobs also does make sense for Unions because of the fickle nature of elected officials who are in charge, who may want to fire a teacher for failing the Football star so he can't win the big game. Or having the son of a member of the house of representative in detention for abusing an other student.
    White-Collar jobs such as IT have much less health and safety concerns, and it is expensive to replace a good IT worker. Also most companies really fail miserably when they try to outsource, and in time they bring back local workers. Also IT workers can often find jobs in less time then blue collar workers.
    I was Laid off in 2008, I was able to get an other job rather quickly.

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    1. Re:Unions have major problems too by fluffernutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So you are saying that the CEO of a company really puts in 800x the effort? Where does he get time for that 32,000 hour work week and still find time to perfect his golf swing?

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    2. Re:Unions have major problems too by slashping · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Work smart means let other people do the work for you, while you practice your golf swing, and get their money.

    3. Re:Unions have major problems too by paiute · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Work smart, not hard.

      Every company says to "work smarter, not harder". But god forbid they catch you not working harder.

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  6. Change the law by Britz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Angry letters will change nothing. The senator (lawmaker) simply needs to do their job. You wouldn't even need to end the H-1B program. I think the problem is more the way it is designed to enable slave labor and thus drive the cost of employment down. If H-1B applicants would have more rights, they could demand higher wages. Instead they are kept as slaves that will not only lose their job but also get deported. Making their legal position similar to those that have an illegal immigration status. H-1B simply legalizes illegal immigration for the employer. If H-1Bs had more power, they could and would demand higher wages. How about unionized H-1Bs? Freedom to stay in the US for a guaranteed period of time. And to top it off: Training obligations for the company that requests them.

    Or you can simply abandon the H-1B outright.

    Btw: Trump loves himself more than anything else. And as a builder he profits from illegal immigrants. Thus he won't do anything about illegal immigration. Simple as that. He has proven that he lies all the time. So we can disregard what comes out of his mouth. Thus we have to look at policies that are likely. And for someone who makes a *lot* of profit from illegal immigrants it would be downright stupid to prevent that from happening. Is Trump stupid?

  7. A minimum wage for H1B visa holders would end this by zerofoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Set the minimum salary for an H1B visa holder at $150,000/yr and watch this problem solve itself. Have the salary requirement increase annually based on CPI.

    H1B visas were supposed to be for highly skilled workers when talent is available locally.

    We all know the H1B program is simply to drive down the cost of IT labor.

    Trump - are you listening?

  8. Re: This is why America needs President Trump by slashping · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As if disliking one of the candidates must automatically mean you support one of the others. Truth is that there's no good choice.

  9. Makes perfect sense by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Makes perfect sense...

    "You're not skilled enough to do this job, so we need you to train this H-1B guy we hired to replace you at half the cost."

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  10. Re:US needs to improve employee protection by arth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Treating workers like this would be illegal in more developed countries. Why do Americans stand for this kind of treatment?

    The American Dream.
    Americans dream that they will become the rich company owner who gets to reap the benefits of hiring cheap and selling dear, so they can live in a mansion and play golf all day. And if not them, their children. Or grandchildren. You just have to vote for the right conservative that keeps that dream possible. And pray to a supernatural being so he'll subtly treat you and yours better than others, so it comes true for you and yours at the expense of others.

    TL;DR: Utter stupidity

  11. Re: This is why America needs President Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    People who support Trump are such fucking losers, they see this tall white guy dressed up in a dark blue suit with American flags and "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN" in the background, and they think he's going to save them and make sure they get good jobs, health care, etc.

    What in Donald J. Trump's entire business career and personal history - and there's plenty to look at - makes you think he can or is even willing to deliver on that? He's scammed middle class customers over and over again - Trump University, Trump International Hotel in Miami, Trump Baja which took down payments and never got built. His casinos properties went bankrupt four times. As for taking care of American workers first: in Trump's casino and hotel businesses, he gave preferential hiring treatment to foreigners.

    Now he says that's a reason to vote for him, because he understands better than anyone how much he was able to fuck over American workers! Can you imagine what he would say if one of his campaign rivals tried to make that kind of convoluted argument to justify shady dealings in their own careers?

    I don't care if you are willing to be scammed, but I very much do care if you are going to help this narcissistic would-be fascist get elected. He is Mussolini, Richard Nixon, George Wallace. Go study history!

  12. Re: This is why America needs President Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You seem upset. I'm a partisan hack who believes whatever the Illuminati wants me to believe, and I refuse to believe that the other sports team could offer anybody good. I'm also going to somehow call Sanders untrustworthy because in my book, being untrustworthy means sticking to one's principals, keeping consistent opinions and leanings over an entire political career, and most importantly, not going along with Clinton's latest lie that she was involved in the civil rights movements and Sanders wasn't.

    There. FTFY. The two people we have running who are completely untrustworthy are Clinton and Trump. Your choices are between a lying, gaslighting bitch who has proven completely incompetent with classified information and has consistently adopted whatever views are politically expedient in the present moment and a lying, gaslighting asshole manager who has proven completely incompetent with managing his inherited wealth and has consistently adopted whatever view are politically expedient in the present moment.

    But no, Sanders doesn't have a chance. I voted for him. He won in my state. I'm done with this voting thing for now. I'll leave it up to you enlightened Illuminati-brainwashed masses to figure out just how exactly you want the country to burn.

    I will say this about Trump. I may yet change my mind and vote for him in the general election. He's a loose cannon. He's completely unpredictable. He might or might not start World War 3 and incite race riots across the country. I honestly don't know what to expect from a President Trump.

    I am absolutely certain, however, that a President Clinton will definitely lead to rioting in every major city when TPP/TTIP/TISA come into full effect. Go ahead and let yourself be fooled by her current political posturing. She's going to go right back to fully supporting those treaties once she's in the oval office. It's a matter of time before BRICS switches away from the US dollar and completely tanks Western economies. World War 3? Total atomic annihilation? That's more difficult to suss out. If I had the cash, I would seriously consider buying one of these condos.

  13. Re:This is why America needs President Trump by cashman73 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Trump himself has used and abused the H1B visa system, and he's admitted it. Why? Because as a businessman himself, even he recognizes the opportunity to save money by importing cheaper foreign labor. Anyone that believes that Trump is somehow going to change his ways and be America's great labor force "savior" is just delusional.