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Studio Ghibli Animation Software Going "Open Source"; Details Pending (toonzpremium.com)

Michael Tiemann writes: Digital Video, the makers of TOONZ, and DWANGO, a Japanese publisher, announced today they have signed an agreement for the acquisition by Dwango of Toonz, an animation software which was independently developed by Digital Video (Rome, Italy). Digital Video and Dwango have agreed to close the deal under the condition Dwango will publish and develop an Open Source platform based on Toonz (OpenToonz). Effective Saturday March 26, the TOONZ Studio Ghibli Version will be made available to the animation community as a free download. Not yet clear is which existing open source license will be used for the software, if any. If it is properly licensed as open source software, then we should all celebrate this event by drawing unicorns and rainbows. If not, many will be dis-spirited away. Animation World Network also reports this news, and adds a few more details, but is similarly vague about the license terms. I hope the terms are such that we'll soon see Toonz in media-centric Linux distros, and in widespread classroom use.

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  1. License is key by bobo_1968 · · Score: 2
    Hope it's GPL, there's some interesting goodies in here, and a stated focus on research.

    In addition, OpenToonz will also include effects developed by Dwango that utilize its artificial intelligence technology, and a plug-in feature that enables anybody to add original effects to OpenToonz. ... With the aim of building an environment where research labs and the animated film industry actively cooperate with each other, Dwango hopes to develop a platform via OpenToonz to help the animation industry instantly apply various animation production-related research results acquired in the field.

    If it's BSD we'll see animation houses suck up any research output and not contribute much of anything back.

    1. Re: License is key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Even gpl doesn't require you to disclose your changes if you are not redistributing the changes.

    2. Re:License is key by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      If it's BSD we'll see animation houses suck up any research output and not contribute much of anything back.

      If it's BSD then anyone who wants to can re-license it as GPL if they want to.

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    3. Re:License is key by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      You cannot relicense anything unless you are the copyright owner.

      With the BSD license, that's immaterial. You start your GPL project and import the BSD code. The BSD license for the imported code must be retained, however you may license the work as a whole under the GPL. Relicensing by any other name...

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  2. Clear as a mud. by westlake · · Score: 1

    Dwango will publish and develop an Open Source platform based on Toonz (OpenToonz).

    So what are the differences between Toonz and the open source derivative?

  3. Re:About time by rossdee · · Score: 1

    I think Ghibli is a model of Maserati (Italian sports car) from the 70's

  4. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What it means is that I downloaded (torrent) all the Studio Ghibli movies for nothing...

  5. Re:About time by RobertMaefs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Multi-award winning animated movies from east Asia. Studio Ghibli is basically Disney with fewer lines of merchandise and theme parks.

  6. "an animation software" --? by jabberw0k · · Score: 1

    No, it is "a piece of animation software" or "an animation software package." Would you say "a hardware" or "a clothing"? Do you have "an information" ? Check your grammar.

    1. Re:"an animation software" --? by ihtoit · · Score: 3, Informative

      you would put a freeform criminal claim in to a magistrate as "an information".

      (source: I'm a lawyer).

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    2. Re:"an animation software" --? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Probably some froggy berk. They do indeed refer to "un software"and shit like that.

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  7. All I can say is... by Type44Q · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...if you like Japanese culture and haven't seen Totoro (or is it "My Neighbor Totoro"), do so - you won't regret it.

    1. Re:All I can say is... by bmo · · Score: 1

      And then watch "Grave of the Fireflies"

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    2. Re:All I can say is... by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      GOTF is one of the saddest movies I've ever seen. Which makes it great.

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    3. Re:All I can say is... by bmo · · Score: 2

      The director has repeatedly claimed that it's not an anti-war film.

      The artist isn't allowed to decide what the viewer learns/experiences from the artwork.

      It my opinion GOTF is one of the best anti-war films ever because the director didn't intend to make an anti-war film. The film isn't preachy, as a result, as too many anti-war films are.

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    4. Re:All I can say is... by treethought · · Score: 1

      If you've never heard of Japanese culture and haven't seen "My Neighbor Totoro", do so - you won't regret it.

  8. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    You must be very proud. Thanks to people like you Ghibli are going to stop making movies entirely:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/11001081/Studio-Ghibli-may-stop-making-films.html

    Of course, Ghibli were one of the more fortunate studios and other people in the industry are in far worse a state. The animators work absurdly long hours for low pay and the studios are permanently on the verge of going out of business. Scum like you always come up with an excuse like, "all the money goes to the rich executives", but the reality is there is no money to go to the "rich executives". AnimeNewsNetwork post the anime Blu-ray sales each week and the sales are generally terrible:

    http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-11-24/japan-animation-blu-ray-disc-ranking-november-16-22/.95738

    Bear in mind that those are the Blu-rays that sold well, and many releases sell in the hundreds. Four thousand Blu-rays is considered a success, and titles can get a sequel even with sales as little as 3200 per volume. Blu-rays sales are the main source of income for the anime industry and the only reason it can stay in business is because of the occasional hit title that sells 20K-40K per volume.

    Ultimately the reason animators are working 16 hour days six days per week is become of scum like you who enjoy the product they offer but refuse to pay for it. As if you couldn't sink any lower you then post on forums boasting that you pirate anime.

    Please just kill yourself. The world would be a better place without people like you who just want to take and refuse to contribute, even when an industry is in desperate need of money.

  9. Re:About time by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

    I think it's more likely that most people just don't particularly care for anime.

  10. Re:About time by ihtoit · · Score: 1

    Grave Of The Fireflies, Arietty, Laputa, Nausicaa, Princess Mononoke and Tales From Earthsea aren't "gay" or "fap crap", they are actually astoundingly great movies.

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  11. Poll: what was your first exposure to a Ghibli? by ihtoit · · Score: 1

    Mine was this: http://www.onlineghibli.com/on... (Chage & Aska - On Your Mark)

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    1. Re:Poll: what was your first exposure to a Ghibli? by ciascu · · Score: 1

      First was Howl's moving castle: http://www.onlineghibli.com/howls_castle/. Finding out later that Howl was from Wales was a bit of a surprise, but I guess they have the world's most castles per capita, so if there's a moving one anywhere...

      Although Spirited Away had the edge, for me.

  12. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ghibli might stop producing feature films, but I don't think they've yet confirmed that. The reason why they've been on hiatus has nothing to do with piracy or sales. It's because they've lost Hayao Miyazaki. He retired from feature films in 2013, and he was Ghibli's breadwinner and most famous filmmaker, almost being synonymous with Ghibli itself (Isao Takahata is the other famous filmmaker at Ghibli, and he will probably not make another film either). Pricess Mononoke became the highest grossing film of all time in Japan until it was bested by Titanic, but then Miyazaki came back with Spirited Away which became the new highest grossing film of all time and still remains so (both films also won the Picture of the Year Oscar-equivalent in Japan, i.e. won against even live action films, until animated films were shoved into their own award category). His last film The Wind Rises was the highest grossing of 2014.

    Ghibli has apparently had trouble developing new talent, and they've been too invested in Miyazaki. On the other hand, Ghibli was founded by Miyazaki and Takahata (and producer Toshio Suzuki) so they could make the films they wanted to. They probably just don't know where Ghibli should go from here, or if it should go anywhere (as an animation studio).

    You're conflating two very different things here: Ghibli and the television anime industry. Ghibli is a mega successful household name with their own museum that brings in a lot of revenue, they own their productions (not always the case for anime studios), and as a film producer they make most of their money at the box office. In terms of home video sales they're in a very different league than TV anime. Late night TV anime relies a lot on disc sales (there's no ad revenue), but there's relatively few people who buy them since they're expensive, there's too many shows on the air, and most people just don't watch late night anime at all. Daytime anime is watched by many more people, but disc sales are not important.

    Low wages in the anime industry (at least in the early stages of one's career) go back all the way to the beginning of anime and have nothing to do with piracy. People don't even have to buy anime in Japan as they can just watch it for free on TV. But for the relatively small number of serious fans that isn't enough, so they buy Blu-rays and merchandise. A show can also profit by making people go buy the source material it's based on (e.g. sales for the KonoSuba series of light novels tripled thanks to the recent anime adaptation).

  13. Re: About time by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    They're not from "East Asia," they are from Japan.

    We'll be sure to make a note of that...

  14. Re:About time by Jamu · · Score: 1

    Just note that Grave Of The Fireflies is unrelentingly depressing. It's still a great film, it's just very depressing in comparison to any other Ghibli films. Don't expect more of the same if you've only seen My Neighbor Totoro, Kiki's Delivery Service, etc...

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  15. Confusing reality with fiction by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

    ... if you like Japanese culture and haven't seen Totoro (or is it "My Neighbor Totoro"), do so - you won't regret it ...

    I've been a Japanese anime fan, and I used to think that the philosophy, the background storyline of Japanese anime represents the Japanese culture

    I couldn't be more wrong

    While anti-war theme does make rounds within the Japanese anime the Japanese society is far from anti-war

    Anyone ever stayed in Japan can tell you how war like those rabid right wing Japanese are - and they are the ones which have been controlling the Japanese government 80% of the time since the ending of World War 2

    In Japan, the educators have been the ones leading the anti-war movement, but their efforts have been undermined by the powerful Japanese right wing pro-military gangs as well

    School textbooks have been changed, history revisionism has become the elephant in the room

    All references to the atrocities they have carried out during the World War 2 (such as the issue of comfort women) have been purposely 'forgotten' and 'fairy tales' have been inserted in school texts teaching the young Japanese students that their forefathers were in Korea / China / Siberia not as invaders, but they were there because 'the locals invited them there'

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    1. Re: Confusing reality with fiction by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Anyone ever stayed in Japan can tell you how war like those rabid right wing Japanese are

      You are entirely spot-on; I remember how the ultra-nationalists would drive back and forth in front of the Soviet embassy (Ropongi, late 70's), blaring Japanese martial music at top decibel...

      For what it's worth, I believe Totoro offers an interesting interpretation of Japanese - particularly Shinto - cultural practices such as belief in tree spirits, etc...

    2. Re: Confusing reality with fiction by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      You are either ignorant or dishonest; which is it?

    3. Re: Confusing reality with fiction by KGIII · · Score: 2

      Sorry to bug you but I can't help but notice the replies you've received. I'd speculate that it is ignorance, perhaps willful ignorance, but premised on very Western views. Were I a more paranoid person, I'd speculate that they'd based their beliefs on propaganda.

      Japan's culture and history is largely based on a feudal caste system with inherent bias, prejudice, and inherited status. There's speculation about the changes but, at the same time, they've still got people *actively* engaging in ancestral worship with regards to war criminals. They were forced, at gunpoint, to open up their society.

      As an outsider looking in, and doing so objectively (I think), it appears that there are still a number of people, people with power, who resent that. That, coupled with a society that appears to be rather conformational and largely disinterested in externalities and you have a volatile situation that could make drastic changes in less than a generation.

      Before people guess, I've *been* to Japan more than once and have enjoyed the time and the people. I did lose relatives in WWII to the Japanese and had others who barely survived their capture by the Japanese. However, I was not there and I'd like to think that I can still be objective as I do not hold any particular grudges with this. In fact, if I did then I'd say nothing and hope that their society imploded or turned aggressive and was annihilated. I wish that on nobody.

      If I could make any changes, it would be to get their average citizen interested in both politics and things that go on outside of their borders. They might also wish to look internally and see what they can do about those people who still deny, or minimize, things like Unit 731, prisoner abuses to numerous to mention, the Rape of Nanking, sexual slavery of Koreans, chemical warfare tests on living Chinese, and treachery. Then, they may wish to just be open about the way their history played out. No, life was not good for the average person and that lasted well into the 20th century. *sighs*

      It's not hard, as an individual, to get past that sort of stuff. I've no idea how to do it en masse... I do wish them luck but, as an outsider, it really does look largely dysfunctional and based on false premises. Seriously, worshiping war criminals? In the 1970s the people doing so were old. I see it today, when it does make the media, and I've noticed that they're not a bunch of old veterans any more. It's a mix of a few old people and a whole lot of young people.* It was sort of understandable when it was just a bunch of old vets. I can understand and accept that. I know what it's like to carry a firearm and (sort of) fight for your country.

      * How does that even happen? Seriously, I don't get it. What did they tell those kids to get them to engage in that ancestor worship and laying wreaths on war criminal's tombs? These aren't speculated criminals. These are accused and tried criminals who are responsible for atrocities, by any definition of the word, and were sentenced to death in some instances. It was understandable, if regrettable, when it was the old and dying who still kept them in their memory. How the hell did they get kids to keep this tradition up? Do the kids not know? Do they not understand? Have they been told the truth?

      Yes, those are questions. I have no idea what the answers are. Your opinion is, of course, valued and you may well know what I do not. I could go on but I'm lazy tonight. ;-)

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    4. Re: Confusing reality with fiction by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      They were forced, at gunpoint, to open up their society.

      Funny you should mention that; my dad has one of Commodore Perry's original nautical charts of Sagami Bay (where the U.S. Fleet made the Tokugawa shogunate their bitch)...

    5. Re: Confusing reality with fiction by KGIII · · Score: 1

      That is AWESOME! Is it marked up? That may actually belong in a museum. That's a chunk of history, right there.

      I do wonder how many folks have actually figured out your username and the potential association with Japan? *chuckles* It's kind of like the guy running around with (Base 64 I think) "slashdot sucks" as a username. I don't think anyone's ever noticed. I read usernames way too often. *sighs*

      At any rate, that's awesome. I kind of want a pic. ;-) Signed? Any authenticity to actually *prove* it was originally Perry's? How the hell did he end up with it in his possession?

      My mother's side was Prescott and McDonnell. So, you can put those together and guess I've a bunch of Navy history in my family. My father's side were all Marines which is, technically, a Department of the Navy. I did my eight and ravaged the GI Bill for all it was worth.

      As a *very* odd aside - but I'm reminded of it when I mention this (something to do with work ethic) - I've been pondering going back to work for a while if things are different this autumn. I don't need money but I've been doing very little for a while. A few years back I spent a summer building houses for Habitat for Humanity. That was kind of fun but I'm thinking something in the tech sector. It probably does seem like an odd aside but, really... They're strangely related. I don't really know what to think, I guess. Maybe I'll start *and* run a business of my own - besides those I've already got my fingers in.

      I keep going back to the idea of a consulting business where Graybeards are given their due and are called in as emergency personnel (more or less) and are recognized experts in their field and thus able to put the terms *they* want into their contracts. Yes, that includes being able to put their right to wear their underwear outside of their pants into their contracts if they so desire. They can even stipulate that they're allowed to wear a mask and a cape and that everyone has to refer to them as Super Henry or whatever they want. After all, they're the best of the best and it is a crisis, are they going to argue or not? Also, the pay rate will be what the contractor insists they're worth.

      So, not just you but anyone who might be interested should keep poking me to make sure that I keep pondering how to go about achieving that. I've got ample starting capital. I can even run the damned thing as a non-profit if I wanted. But, I've gotta do something - and soon.

      Ah well, that's really off-topic but I'm strangely reminded of it. :/ Maybe my head is broken. I dunno... They tell me I'm sane.

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    6. Re: Confusing reality with fiction by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      My apologies; in answer to your earlier question, this is the kind of "Type44q" that my username is a reference to... :)

    7. Re: Confusing reality with fiction by KGIII · · Score: 1

      You'd think, with my affection for automotive means, I'd have known that. However, I completely was thinking Type 44 which is a rifle used by Japan during WWII.

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  16. Re:About time by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    Also with deeper stories, better character development and more message. Arguably better imagery too. Oh, and better music.

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  17. Re:About time by Khyber · · Score: 1

    Blu-rays sales suck BECAUSE BLU RAY FUCKING SUCKS, moron. Digital distribution and on-demand is fucking king now days.

    >2016
    >using spinning shit slow fragile as fuck optical media
    >ISHYGDDT

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  18. Re: About time by wait_a_little · · Score: 1

    Anime is the abbreviated form of the Japanese pronunciation/spelling of animation. The word was coined in Japan, where it often (but not always) is just a synonym for animation.

    In the West it's used to mean either all Japanese animation, or the certain kind of TV animation that started being developed in the 60s and now represents virtually all commercial Japanese animation.

    Referring to it as anime is justified because anime is a very particular form of animation. It has an instantly recognizable appearance; it has its own visual language and iconography; it has its own genres, story conventions and character archetypes; it has its own animation techniques, and it's part of a larger and tightly connected industry that encompasses manga, light novels, games and music. And so on.

    And as I JUST explained and illustrated, anime and cartoons are two different things. Unless you have some legitimate problem with your brain there's no way you can't immediately notice the differences.

  19. Try github, release date 26 of march by olafura · · Score: 1
  20. Re: About time by wait_a_little · · Score: 1

    I meant to post this in response to another, nearly identical comment just above, but got them mixed up while battling against Slashdot's inane commenting system. But since they are almost identical my response fits here too.

  21. Re: About time by wait_a_little · · Score: 1

    As I just explained, anime has many unique qualities to it and is a very expansive artform and industry. There isn't anything else like anime in the world of animation. Anime is very different and very distinct from all other animation. If you think animations from other countries need their own names then go ahead and start campaigning for them. I don't care. If French animation has a term of its own like anime, then so what? It's not going to have any effect on me or anime. Whatever.

    And as I've also already explained, anime and cartoons are two different, distinct forms of animation. You have no rebuttal to this except to robotically insist that they are the same thing just because you said so.

    You seem really upset, and should consider talking to a psychiatrist about why anime makes you so angry.

  22. Re: About time by wait_a_little · · Score: 1

    I did explain. Right here: "Referring to it as anime is justified because anime is a very particular form of animation. It has an instantly recognizable appearance; it has its own visual language and iconography; it has its own genres, story conventions and character archetypes; it has its own animation techniques, and it's part of a larger and tightly connected industry that encompasses manga, light novels, games and music. And so on." The differences between anime and American animation (which is what almost everyone is used to and consider the definitive representation of animation) are so extensive that they have nearly nothing in common. Even the most basic assumptions about what animation is and how it should be made are radically different. You might as well claim that early silent cinema is no different from, say, Inception (which, incidentally, likely took inspiration from Satoshi Kon's film Paprika).

    I also provided YouTube videos contrasting cartoons and anime. Again, unless you really have some kind of issue with your brain you cannot fail to notice the differences. There is no way Silly Symphonies is anything like Ghost in the Shell (which, incidentally, was the principal inspiration behind The Matrix).

    Here's a simple assigment for you: explain in detail why you think the following two clips are exactly the same.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  23. Re:About time by wait_a_little · · Score: 1

    Blu-rays, DVD and CDs are still very popular in Japan.

  24. Re:About time by Bengie · · Score: 1

    Words have meaning based on their usage. Anime is used to mean something different than "cartoons". Yes, anime is a type of cartoon, but definitely not the same thing. Remember, words only have any meaning because of how they're used. If you ignore how they're used, they're just a bunch of meaningless sounds.

  25. Re: About time by wait_a_little · · Score: 1

    Anime is a juggernaut of the animation world, putting out 40-50 shows every three months (plus movies, direct-to-video releases, and video game animations) sourced from manga, light novels and video games that all together form an aesthetically and narratively coherent and highly interconnected media ecosystem (and no, Marvel et al are nowhere near equivalent to it). American animation is small-time compared to this, and much less coherent. The animation industries of other countries are smaller and less coherent still. The entire anime ecosystem is so vast that it can completely replace everything else in your life.

    Anime has its own distinct and instantly recognizable appearance, its own animation techniques, its own genres, story conventions and character archetypes, its own visual language, its own very expansive fan culture (that's practically a smaller scale duplication of the professsional industries that spawned it), and many other defining characteristics that set it apart from other animation. Its high production values and cinematic approach to animation are also unique.

    I asked you to explain how those two clips are the same, and you completely ignored me. That's because you know very well that it's impossible to argue that they're the same. Just like it's impossible to argue that the videos I posted earlier are the same. You have zero arguments to support your position. You are just a mentally ill fanatic.

  26. Re:About time by wait_a_little · · Score: 1

    Anime and cartoons are not the same thing. Anime is extremely distinct from other forms of animation. Calling anime anime is completely justified. I've already conclusively proven these facts in this thread, and you have been unable to offer any counter-arguments.

    Hey, here's another one little task for you. Explain how these clips are exactly the same:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    No problem, right?

  27. Re:About time by wait_a_little · · Score: 1

    Anime and cartoons are not the same thing. Anime is extremely distinct from other forms of animation. Calling anime anime is completely justified. I've already conclusively proven these facts in this thread, and you have been unable to offer any counter-arguments.

    By the way, remind me how this cartoon:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    Is exactly the same as this anime:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  28. Re:About time by wait_a_little · · Score: 1

    American animated movies are very basic. They have simple stories and story-telling, and are almost devoid of the cinematic sensibilities that are taken for granted in both live action and anime. Their animation is very smooth and expensive-looking, but it's also very limited in scope because almost all of it revolves around exaggerated character acting and is shot in a very flat way.