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Angola's Wikipedia Pirates Are Exposing Loopholes in Zero Rating

Reader Jason Koebler quotes a Motherboard article: Wikimedia and Facebook have given Angolans free access to their respective websites, but not to the rest of the internet. So, naturally, Angolans have taken to hiding pirated movies and music in Wikipedia articles and are also sharing links to these files on Facebook, creating a totally free and clandestine file sharing network in a country where mobile internet data is extremely expensive. It's undeniably a creative use of two services that were designed to give people in the developing world some access to the internet. But now that Angolans are causing headaches for Wikipedia editors and the Wikimedia Foundation, no one is sure what to do about it.

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  1. "Free" internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Facebook and wikimedia are disgusting to exploit the poor in this way

    1. Re:"Free" internet by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Looks like the "poor" are doing some exploiting of their own. Good for them! Circumvention of a blockage is what the internet is about. Wiki and Facebook are unwitting VPN providers. I like it..

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    2. Re:"Free" internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So a bakery giving its products for free to the poor is considered a "blockage" because other businesses aren't doing the same?

    3. Re:"Free" internet by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      This is not a bakery

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    4. Re:"Free" internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The users *are* the product.

    5. Re:"Free" internet by lgw · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Facebook and wikimedia are disgusting to exploit the poor in this way

      Giving free service to the poor is exploiting the poor? Or do you imagine Facebook is making millions from that lucrative advertizing market for poor Angolans? And wikimedia's going to clean up from all the donations?

      I think both companies are a bit shady in general, but I don't see any problem here.

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    6. Re:"Free" internet by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So a bakery giving its products for free to the poor is considered a "blockage" ... ?

      Poor analogy. Facebook is not giving away their product. The users are the product.

      I have mixed feelings about Facebook Free Basics, and I am not sure if it is good or bad, but it certainly isn't comparable to free bread.

    7. Re:"Free" internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's an analogy. You implied that Wiki and Facebook are offering free access to their websites in two steps: by offering free Internet and then blocking every other website from the free plan. This is a stupid and convoluted fabrication in order to use the word "blocking" to rile people up.

    8. Re:"Free" internet by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Yeah fuck those giving something to someone who can't get anything for nothing, they shouldn't not be ... it's not right to.... it's not fair to.... I mean... they are corporations so just fuck them in general right?

    9. Re:"Free" internet by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Or do you imagine Facebook is making millions from that lucrative advertizing market for poor Angolans?

      Angola is not so poor. It is one of the most prosperous countries in Africa, and the economy is growing rapidly. Unfortunately, it has a repressive government and high levels of inequality. There is plenty of money to be made advertising to the poor.

    10. Re:"Free" internet by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Blocking should rile people up. I'm glad to see they are getting around it. It balances the power structure just a tiny bit.

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    11. Re:"Free" internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're seriously going to make a claim that Angola isn't steeped in poverty?

    12. Re:"Free" internet by dpidcoe · · Score: 1

      Hardly. They've giving free and borderline essential information to a large mass of people in exchange for the ability to control the flow of that information. While that's a nice gesture, it's also laying the groundwork for future abuses. The amount of power gained by the people controlling the flow of information into the information starved masses isn't something to be taken lightly, and I can think of many ways it could potentially be abused.

    13. Re:"Free" internet by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      It is one of the most prosperous countries in Africa

      Okay, but that's not saying much!

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    14. Re:"Free" internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no advertising in Facebook free basics, what Facebook gains is conversions to paid service once users have tested a limited version of the internet, which happens at a very high rate. And this is another point often overlooked, what kind of incentive would a free basics user have to start paying for the service if they provided the full internet for free?

    15. Re:"Free" internet by lgw · · Score: 1

      Angola is not so poor. It is one of the most prosperous countries in Africa. Unfortunately, it has a repressive government and high levels of inequality. There is plenty of money to be made advertising to the poor.

      I can't find a good recent source for median income, but Angola hasn't been doing that much better than the average for sub-Saharan Africa, and the average income for the region is ~$1600 /year, while the average upper middle class income (lets say that's the target market) is a whopping $7000-ish.

      The free-fall of oil prices won't make life better there, and other commodities haven't been doing much better.

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    16. Re:"Free" internet by dpidcoe · · Score: 3

      Bad analogy. This is more like a bakery giving people with no transportation free access to self-driving cars, but the cars are only allowed to drive to destinations approved by the bakery. The bakery promises not to do anything evil with this power they wield over the destinations these previously transportationless people can now visit (e.g. letting the people visit an amusement park for a few weeks, then threatening to take that destination away if they don't capitulate to certain demands, or enabling specific polling places as destinations based on which politicians paid for them), but has a track record of doing sketchy stuff and no one believes them.

      The "cost" of this "free" access is too high, and it's being sold to people who don't know any better.

    17. Re: "Free" internet by d4fseeker · · Score: 1

      We are talking about corporates and non-profit entities here. Both have their own advantage at heart, which happens to correlate with many user's desires to access their service. You can't force a company, which spends a lot of good money on promoting their product, to freely promote other services. If we were talking about sponsored internet, right. However despite the name this is not sponsored internet but a product in itself!

    18. Re:"Free" internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Angola is richer than Portugal and many Portuguese are MOVING THERE!!!

    19. Re:"Free" internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt you have ever been to Africa. You should read the McKinsey and Company reports "Lions on the Move" ... Yum Brands, Pepsi, and many other Companies are setting up shop in Africa.

    20. Re:"Free" internet by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Developing is not the same as developed. Angola (and the rest of Africa) certainly has the potential to become prosperous, but trying to claim that it is already so is just silly.

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    21. Re:"Free" internet by Flavianoep · · Score: 2

      Angola is richer than Portugal and many Portuguese are MOVING THERE!!!

      That was before oil prices plummeted to under US$ 45,00 a barrel.

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    22. Re:"Free" internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Life finds a way, even around disgusting exploits.

    23. Re:"Free" internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This shows a clear demang on the part of Angolans, to exchange information, whatever means. This can only be a good thing.

    24. Re:"Free" internet by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      No, life has trouble finding a way, which is why countries that are closer to kleptocracies with corruption struggle, decade after decade, let's say indefinitely, to lift up to modrn standards.

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    25. Re:"Free" internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It may be how it has been used as of late, but this in no way is what the internet is about. The internet is and always will be fundamentally be an information sharing network. No one ever said it had to be free, and no one ever said that it had to be used as intended. If it were then only us nerds would be on it, and the multitudes of people who use it to share their cat videos or game plays, or even what their girlfriend's girlfriend said would never have heard about it. Hmm, maybe it would have been better that way.

    26. Re: "Free" internet by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      You can't force a company, which spends a lot of good money on promoting their product, to freely promote other services.

      Never said I wanted to. The simple goal is circumventing the blockage.

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    27. Re:"Free" internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or do you imagine Facebook is making millions from that lucrative advertizing market for poor Angolans?

      Angola is not so poor. It is one of the most prosperous countries in Africa, and the economy is growing rapidly. Unfortunately, it has a repressive government and high levels of inequality. There is plenty of money to be made advertising to the poor.

      As someone that was born in Angola, I can assure you it is a massively poor country with massive inequality.

    28. Re:"Free" internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 Better analogy?

  2. And this is why we can't have nice things. by mmiscool · · Score: 1

    It is amazing how any communications system eventually descends in to Chaos.

    1. Re:And this is why we can't have nice things. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Stop hiding stuff that people desire. Learn the market price and make money from it.

    2. Re:And this is why we can't have nice things. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its not chaos when you use something as intended, IE free sharing of information. Even if that information is movies.
      I give props to them for finding a use for the locked down piece of shit that wikimedia and facebook claim is "internet".

    3. Re:And this is why we can't have nice things. by quenda · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The tragedy of the wikimedia commons.

    4. Re:And this is why we can't have nice things. by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, it's also amazing how quickly people realize "wait, this is free and that isn't, so if I rename this to look like that it's free"

      If you tell people they can only use a communication medium one or two ways, they'll eventually figure out how to do all of the rest by piggy-backing on those methods.

      This isn't "this is why we can't have nice things". This is telling people "we have nice things, but you can't have nice things so you get these things". And then those people turned around and said "no, we can have nice things too".

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    5. Re:And this is why we can't have nice things. by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      mod points

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    6. Re:And this is why we can't have nice things. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      If this were actually about providing access to the poor Angolans, rather than basically being facebook's marketing effort with wikipedia thrown in to look altruistic, the easy solution would just be to subsidize cell data by quantity, rather than confronting the basically hopeless task of attempting to classify by type against users with a strong incentive to disguise one type of activity as another.

      If you have X megabytes or gigabytes to play with, rather than 'unlimited wikipedia', you no longer have the incentive to squeeze random stuff into assorted hidden crevices of wikipedia; just the much more reasonable set of incentives provided by the fact that some things are more data intensive than others.

    7. Re:And this is why we can't have nice things. by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Pretty much, yeah.

      And it just seems so patronizing ... oh, look at these poor backwards Angolans without the interwebs ... we should give them Facebook and Wikipedia so they can uplift themselves from their savagery.

      Meanwhile "the poor backwards Angolans" have said "what, you think we're idiots? Screw you, we want movies, porn, music, and picture's of Nicki Minaj's ass (apparently), just like everyone else on the interwebs."

      I don't see this as misuse. I see this as flipping the bird to the patronizing attempts to give them a tiny bit of the internet and expect them to be all "thank you boss" about it.

      I think this is hilarious, and I applaud them for doing it.

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    8. Re:And this is why we can't have nice things. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think that it is great that the locals are taking facebooks "altruistic" 'hey, let's lock down the emerging markets on an awful walled garden non-internet before anyone else does!' plan and getting actual use out of it. Good for them, and hopefully throwing a spanner in facebook's plan(or at least inflating its costs a bit, I'm assuming that the local telcos want to get paid by someone for the extra traffic).

      It does seem somewhat unfortunate that wikipedia, rather than facebook, is the one whose relative openness is being exploited to serve as an improvised transfer mechanism for assorted blobs. Allowing themselves to be included as the 'altruistic' face of the plan was a dubiously principled move; but they are still eating the additional costs of hosting a bunch of stuff that doesn't advance their mission at all because a blatant market distortion makes anything you can squeeze into their system effectively 'free' in certain cost-sensitive markets. I'd be much happier if they'd figured out how to use facebook's systems for the purpose.

    9. Re:And this is why we can't have nice things. by mm4902 · · Score: 1

      I definitely applaud the creative use. Facebook is clearly out for profit here but I think Wikimedia truly wants to help the world and statistics show education is the answer. The true travesty here is Unitel charging the high rates it does(by Angolan standards) for something that really should be a universal human right by now.

    10. Re:And this is why we can't have nice things. by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      My roommate did this at university. IT instituted a "bandwidth" cap (actually a download cap) for general internet usage, but email was unaffected. Turns out it's not too hard to write a service to email large files to you, split into chunks just under the email size cap, and cat them back together.

  3. seems obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Block files larger than X,
    Block file types
    Disable anonymous edits, force phone verification so no multiple accounts.

    1. Re:seems obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      solution to proposed solutions.
      Break 100MB file into 100 1mb files
      Change extension on file names
      Burner phones can be used to create accounts, or VOIP services can be used to create dozens of accounts via dozens of numbers.

      If they start scanning file types beyond just the extension then you start using stenanography which of course you can learn about on wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography

    2. Re:seems obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Split rar files.
      Rename extensions.
      Write a little script that renames them all and extracts along with a helper executable that features some cool music and graphics from your pirating group
      Dump them in your favorite public FTP site's /uploads directory that's misconfigured to allow downloads as well.

      I keep having to remind myself that kids today didn't grow up in the 80s and 90s.

      What's old is new again.

    3. Re:seems obvious by darkain · · Score: 5, Informative

      This multi-chunk system is EXACTLY how piracy existed in the old AOL days. There were chat rooms with bots, you typed in commands to the chat room to search for a program/movie, and then the bot would forward you the emails with 10MB attachments (AOLs size limit). Since this was all contained within the AOL ecosystem, the forwarding of emails was instant, since the attachments stayed server-side until downloaded by the client. This made it extremely easy to push larger files out to tons of people all at once.

    4. Re: seems obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah 100MB chunks, just like the old Usenet porn days.

    5. Re:seems obvious by ShaunC · · Score: 1

      I kinda miss the days of proggies, phat MMs, and naked amputee chat. I don't miss the dialup downloads, though.

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    6. Re:seems obvious by by+(1706743) · · Score: 1

      Life, uh, finds a way...

    7. Re:seems obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is naked amputee chat at all what it sounds like?

    8. Re:seems obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. I remember one trick was to hide things in a directory called "...". I would use dejanews or ftp site lists to comb/look/search for directories called "...".

      What treasures where sometimes planted there!

    9. Re:seems obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I totally forgot about that, blast from the past!

  4. Bad Summary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The free facebook access for the third world is designed to make third worlders dependent on facebook.

  5. Rar.jpg's everywhere by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

    Anybody else remember hiding rars in jpgs?

    1. Re:Rar.jpg's everywhere by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

      I remember hiding jpgs in rars. ;)

    2. Re:Rar.jpg's everywhere by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

      I hid an rpg in a jar. It didn't end well.

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    3. Re:Rar.jpg's everywhere by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Or AVIs in MP3s, back when the only file-sharing network was Napster.

    4. Re:Rar.jpg's everywhere by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

      You poor soul and your extension dyslexia :(

    5. Re:Rar.jpg's everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See, I tried to do that, but the server was too big, it couldn't fit in the cookie jar at all.

      And that was just one server. There were 4 more of the things!

      This just doesn't add up at all!

    6. Re:Rar.jpg's everywhere by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      I wrote an rpg in a jar. The game sucked, and so did Java, but there you go.

    7. Re:Rar.jpg's everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's not dyslexic, he's just a very incompetent soldier or food preserver.

  6. Didn't know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't know that Facebook charged for access outside of Angola. I've been using Facebook for 10 years and haven't paid a cent. Are fees mentioned in the terms of service which I didn't read? Are they going to suddenly bill me $1000? Oh god please no.

  7. Solution by Mr_Silver · · Score: 1

    But now that Angolans are causing headaches for Wikipedia editors and the Wikimedia Foundation, no one is sure what to do about it.

    Crazy thought but how about limiting uploads to, say, 2MB?

    Second crazy thought, how about scanning the files they already have uploaded, identifying the ones that are way too big for what they are (say, over 2MB) and checking each one manually?

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    1. Re:Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would be better to limit regular users to 2MB, and the higher rated editors with a higher cap.

      There are some very, very nice high resolution pictures of art that you can find on Wikipedia. Limiting that to 2MB just means small resizes or crappy jpg compression settings.

    2. Re:Solution by Dster76 · · Score: 1

      But now that Angolans are causing headaches for Wikipedia editors and the Wikimedia Foundation, no one is sure what to do about it.

      Crazy thought but how about limiting uploads to, say, 2MB?

      Second crazy thought, how about scanning the files they already have uploaded, identifying the ones that are way too big for what they are (say, over 2MB) and checking each one manually?

      Crazy thought: isn't there a way to, I don't know, break up a big file into lots of little files, in a way that's easy to reassemble the little files into the big file?

    3. Re:Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      So now instead of getting charged for distributing one file, you get charged for the production and distribution of 337 different derivative works. You just cost the movie industry 5 billion dollars!

    4. Re:Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Limiting the files to 2 MB would be a mistake.

      Long long ago (very long ago), I wrote a script to watch the "recently uploaded" page on YouTube. I wanted to find cool videos, and the YouTube search just wasn't doing it for me. Problem was, damn near everything uploaded was just copyright infringement, whereas I was looking for videos created by actual people.

      So I went about finding some metrics to detect the copyright infringement and filter it from my results. Nothing was perfect obviously, but I managed to filter out most of it. One part of my algorithm was based on looking at the lengths of the videos. At the time YouTube already limited videos to ten minutes in order to curb piracy, but this just made people upload videos in parts. So I just had my system throw out any video that was within 30 seconds of being ten minutes long. Using some other metrics, like looking for "part X of Y" in various different languages in the video title helped to catch the final parts which would be less than ten minutes.

      It worked surprisingly well, which made me quite suspicious of YouTube's claim that they couldn't do anything about the piracy due to how many gazillion hours of video that were uploaded every minute. Most of those hours were in videos less than 30 seconds long, which I was similarly ignoring since I was looking for people creating mini-movies rather than uploading random junk from a cell phone. After filtering out every video shorter than 4 minutes and filtering out everything that I could auto-detect as piracy, what was left was so few videos that I could keep an eye all of YouTube's uploads in my spare time.

      Indeed, the most BS part of YouTube's "we can't watch all those hours of videos" is that one doesn't have to. My script pulled the 3 thumbnails YouTube generated for every video at the time and just displayed them along with the title. Despite every video my script showing me being at least four minutes long, I could judge whether it was copyright infringement or not in about a tenth of a second. Perhaps YouTube couldn't have eliminated it all, but they could have put one employee on the task and eliminated 99% of it for sure.

      These days, of course, YouTube has a lot more content being uploaded, but if they can find the cash to pay big-time YouTuber's $100 per video, then they can find the half a cent it would cost to pay a human to spend one second looking at a random assortment of thumbnails from those videos just to spot the blatantly obvious piracy.

      Anyway, wikimedia can certainly do the same thing here. The trick is just to not do things like limit file sizes, as that hides the problem, and thus is really only a solution if your goal is to keep the problem but just make it look like it's unsolvable.

    5. Re:Solution by lgw · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Kids these days don't even remember the arguments over UUencode vs yenc, RARs and PARs, the lengthy toolchain needed just to get a binary file out in the same shape it went in, or the other joys of the early years. Damn kids on my lawn!

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    6. Re:Solution by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Funny

      Conveniently for Angolans, all of those things (I assume) have Wikipedia articles about them.

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    7. Re:Solution by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I wish I had mod points for this.

    8. Re:Solution by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      The real problem is the Angolans aren't morons (which isn't actually a problem). But apparently the people who set them up with this crippled internet assumed they were (which is their problem, not the Angolans).

      Nobody built special hooks to keep them honest, either because they assumed the Angolans would be so grateful they wouldn't dare misuse it, or because they thought the Angolans would never figure out something as sophisticated as renaming a file.

      So, unless Facebook and Wikipedia deployed special versions which said "we must assume they're all sneaky bastards and actively prevent them from doing anything else", when the Angolans showed themselves to be clever sneaky bastards (and I do mean that in the nicest possible way) Facebook and Wikipedia found themselves going "no fair, you cheated".

      Trying to prevent them from doing this is now going to be an arms race, which means it's probably almost impossible to rein it in.

      This is a clever hack, to work around an intentionally crippled system which was probably doomed to fail from the get go.

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    9. Re:Solution by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Any file of any size could be reduced to easy to upload parts and then downloaded, joined up thanks to a global network :)
      Thats now seen as "creative"? All the tools, code have existed for many years. Just the free upload and search methods change :)

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  8. Angolans see censorship as damage by istartedi · · Score: 1

    Angolans see censorship as damage, and route around it just like anybody else. I am shocked, shocked I tell you!

    This is just like the library catalog I hacked when I was younger. The librarians thought they had it locked down to catalog search only; but those machines were actually on the Internet and all you had to do was fool the search engine into echoing a URL back to you, which was easy to do.

    I know that at least the Wikimedia people were trying to do good, and I sort of feel for them... but they should have seen this coming.

    You can't send out invites to the ball and not let them have the whole dance floor.

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  9. I have a soltuion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >no one is sure what to do about it.

    Stop giving it to them. Tada!

    Problem solved.

    1. Re:I have a soltuion by CSMoran · · Score: 1

      AC, this is PR. PR, this is AC.

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  10. LOL at Wikipedia control freaks by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    Man, the control freaks at Wikipedia must be going crazy. On one hand, they're doing a Good Deed[tm] for the Poor Third Worlders[tm] which is part and parcel of their Knight In Shining Armor Self-Image[tm].

    On the other hand, the filthy peasants are Using Wikipedia Wrong[tm], a capital offense that carries the penalty of Summary Deletion. They must be experiencing such cognitive dissonance that cerebrospinal fluid is squirting out their ears under high pressure. I wish I cared enough to go follow the tortured discussions.

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    1. Re:LOL at Wikipedia control freaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm with you. I love it when a cunning plan made by liberals screw up in their face.

  11. Confusing Summary by dmomo · · Score: 1

    It's Facebook and Wikimedia's job to give Angolans access to the rest of the Internet?

    1. Re:Confusing Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would have been nice if they explained this in the description. WTF is Zero Rating?
      Implementing Wikipedia Zero is simple. The operator "zero-rates" access to Wikimedia sites in their billing system, so their subscribers will not incur data charges while accessing Wikipedia and the sister projects on the mobile web or apps. Wikimedia recognizes the user is on that operator's network and serves a banner on the top of the page indicating free data courtesy of their mobile operator, which reinforces a positive brand experience for the operator. When the user leaves the Wikimedia sites, they see a warning message and are asked to confirm, so there is no confusion or risk of surprise charges. Wikipedia Zero itself is not a separate product from the core Wikipedia mobile site.

  12. This is why you don't 'zero rate' by type... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    This is another classic example of why, although it is very tempting, subsidizing things by type, rather than by quantity, usually doesn't end well.

    People providing subsidies really like attaching strings to them, it feels much better than just handing over cash(whether, as in this case, it's because the subsidy is mostly there to support facebook's business interests with wikipedia thrown in to make the process look vaguely altruistic; or because Senator Somebody heard that WIC was being used to buy junk food and doesn't approve); but this means that the people receiving the subsidy have a strong incentive to shoehorn whatever it is that actually want or need into a form allowed by the subsidy, even if doing so isn't very efficient.

    If this zero-rating stuff were actually about the interests of the users, rather than basically being facebook's pet project, the obvious solution would be to drop the site-by-site classification nonsense and just subsidize the first x GBs of data use and let the user decide what to do with it.

    1. Re:This is why you don't 'zero rate' by type... by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      Perhaps FB was "$helping$" the WikiMedia Foundation to get them to sign on to this.

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    2. Re:This is why you don't 'zero rate' by type... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      I'd certainly be interested to know what, if any, agreements were made between the two; but it seems like one could(albeit with the risk of wikipedia choosing to play whack-a-mole and try to block you) implement the arrangement that Facebook has set up without any specific agreement with wikipedia. The local telcos obviously need to be explicitly included, they are carrying a bunch of additional data traffic that isn't being paid for by their subscribers; but once that is set up, those subscribers could just access wikipedia in the same way that everyone else with an IP address does, or through some sort of facebook-proxy-thing that accesses wikipedia the same way everyone else with an IP address does. If it is the facebook-proxy-thing arrangement, you could probably make it more efficient with the direct cooperation of wikipedia; but unless they started trying to block you, you wouldn't need any more consent than is implied by running a publicly accessible web service.

  13. No way this will work in reality... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With how fast any changes done by someone who isn't in the Wikipedia inner circle get reverted, I can't see how piracy can be done. Even with full references, I have encountered article changes reverted with a generic "FU" message in less than 30-45 seconds after they were submitted.

    1. Re: No way this will work in reality... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have had valid, informative edits reverted in the same short time span. So I quit spending my time trying to make Wikipedia better. It was a total waste of effort.

    2. Re:No way this will work in reality... by DaphneDiane · · Score: 1

      Old versions of articles are still viewable in the page history. I wonder if this related to the bots that I've seen recently that vandalize a page with "random" garbage and then immediately self-reverts.

  14. How are the Angolans different...not at all... by Yergle143 · · Score: 1

    Rip Mix Burn... The Internet is a device to steal intellectual property. Some steal a little some a lot.

  15. Holy Shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jesus Christ! Is that ass even real?

    If it is... that, my friends, is an amazing ass.

    1. Re:Holy Shit! by tekrat · · Score: 1

      If you are referring to the article's image (about halfway down) I think that's Nikki Minaj, and yes, she's, well, "real" in that she's not photoshop, but she's also not real as in lots of surgery. Some people find her attractive, but those people also like Kardiashian butt as well.

      Sir Mix Alot would agree though.

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  16. Ahhh Slashdot by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    I love a good outrage when I see it. Screw companies with walled gardens offering you only a selective service based on their "partners" who pay them money.

    As a side note does anyone know how to install a different browser on my iPhone, they are all just skins for safari. Would throwing another $800 at Apple help? Do I need Apple care? Or maybe an iWatch?

    1. Re:Ahhh Slashdot by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Firefox for ios is just a skin on safari?

    2. Re:Ahhh Slashdot by hawaiian717 · · Score: 1

      Yes. It's basically WebKit + Firefox Sync, with Firefox's Private Browsing features thrown in for good measure.

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    3. Re:Ahhh Slashdot by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Good to know, thanks.

  17. From someone who actually works in Angola... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Angola is many things....

    I am surprised that this made it to Slashdot and not that Unitel is the personal slush fund for the president's daughter. I suppose 'blood diamonds' have been supplanted by 'blood tech'.

    As for editing articles and such, the solution seems easy enough to me. Do not allow people with free access to upload files or images. They can edit articles to their heart's content.

    The article itself talks about 'digital rights' which is rather ironic in a country with blatant human right violations.

  18. We need to help out Wikipedia. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

    What's the best way to covertly shift gigabytes of data via Facebook?

    1. Re:We need to help out Wikipedia. by ThatTreeOverThere · · Score: 1

      Pack it into a video with a method of storing the data that is resistant to video compression. Ta-da!

    2. Re:We need to help out Wikipedia. by Ormy · · Score: 1

      What's the best way to covertly shift gigabytes of data via Facebook?

      Encode the data as a properly formatted .jpg (doesn't matter if the image looks like TV-static or a QR code or similar). Facebook loves 'your pictures' so much it doesn't have the time to check them all by hand and relies on users reporting offensive stuff. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.

    3. Re:We need to help out Wikipedia. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you upload a picture to facebook, the picture is resized/filtered automatically. Any hidden data would suffer/be wiped out from this step alone.

    4. Re:We need to help out Wikipedia. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Far, far too much overhead.

  19. I'm not sure what the problem is... by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

    Just put more of your stellar editors in place.

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  20. Just who is being patronizing here? by westlake · · Score: 1

    Meanwhile "the poor backwards Angolans" have said "what, you think we're idiots? Screw you, we want movies, porn, music, and picture's of Nicki Minaj's ass (apparently), just like everyone else on the interwebs."
    I see this as flipping the bird to the patronizing attempts to give them a tiny bit of the internet and expect them to be all "thank you boss" about it.
    I think this is hilarious, and I applaud them for doing it.

    Will the geek still be applauding when Wikimedia pulls out because it can't afford to provide Angola with a free porn fix? No encyclopedia? No free textbooks or other educational resources that might actually make a difference?

    1. Re:Just who is being patronizing here? by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      The problem is you can't seriously expect people to be told "this part of the internet is special and magical and you can only have it if you use it this way."

      You can't just slap it together and then be all shocked that people said "I reject your limited reality and substitute my own". You gave them a means to exchange data and a place to host files and expected them to only use it the way you told them they were allowed to.

      Which is kind of like putting up a public graffiti wall and then being outraged someone put up a dick joke.

      Have you ever seen something which someone said "you may use this as long as you play nicely and only according to what we've told you that you're allowed to do", and not seen it misused?

      Bypassing the intended use was pretty much inevitable ... if you only have Facebook and Wikipedia, then Wikipedia is suddenly your file sharing network.

      Can I stop the possibility that Angola could lose cheap network access because they refuse to be dictated to? Nope. Am I at all surprised that human ingenuity worked around a crippled network to use it for something else? Not even in the slightest.

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  21. Black = criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All over the world...
    LOL at "developing world", I think you meant "third world hellhole", and you could have added "because it's full of AFRICANS".

  22. Wikibay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Simple: put Jimmy Wales and Mark Zuckerberg in the same cell as those Pirate Bay guys. They're facilitating piracy while pretending to provide an encyclopedia and a social network. They'll play well with those guys who pretended to provide a search engine.

  23. No access to the internet by Britz · · Score: 1

    > to give people in the developing world some access to the internet

    Giving people access to Facebook and Wikipedia is as much access to the internet as access to MSN or AOL (without internet) was during the 90s.

    Neither Wikipedia nor Facebook are the internet. Period. They give people access to two websites. Nothing more, nothing less.

  24. This is why socialism doesn't work by erapert · · Score: 0, Troll

    This is why socialism doesn't work even if it were moral-- which it isn't!

    Truth:
    1. People don't respect anything unless they, personally, paid something for it.
    2. There's ain't no sech thing as a free lunch.
    3. Not everyone is dishonest or behaves dishonestly. But enough people do that it's impossible to do nice things for others on a large scale without being abused.

    So even if socialism was morally right it would still end in disaster.

    But it isn't morally right to take (by force!) from some to give to others.

    1. Re:This is why socialism doesn't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your words won't stop the struggle

    2. Re:This is why socialism doesn't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This comment doesn't even make sense in the context of the article, what idiot modded it up?

    3. Re:This is why socialism doesn't work by erapert · · Score: 1

      The article is an object lesson in the three truths I outlined.
      And because those three truths are relevant to the overarching humanitarian struggle for the past century and a half I figured it would count as something worth saying.

  25. I have Always Wondered by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    If you cannot afford Internet, then what the hell are they marketing to them? Is Facebook just using them to inflate their user count and trick investors/advertisers or on Facebook Angola do they advertise bread, "mud cookies", and goats instead of PlayStation 4s and designer cars?

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    1. Re:I have Always Wondered by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Western gov's are often hoping to spread information too. Western broadcasters backed by gov's with big budgets to spread information have moved from powerful radio stations, satellite television to web 2.0 to spread their traditional messages globally.
      ie what was the old international public radio broadcaster methods backed by the US is now an online effort and buying into any social media to get its message out.
      So expect to see a massive expansion of "free" walled garden internet that feeds back to gov backed funding or gov backed NGO's.

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  26. Nike by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People that can't afford internet often spend $200 on Nike sneakers.

    Apparently stating this fact makes you a racist.

  27. Make the free wiki access read only. by dsmatthews9379 · · Score: 1

    That should slow them down a bit.

  28. That's easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    clap em in irons and ship them off to America!

    Too early?