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Starboard Launches Proxy Fight To Remove Entire Yahoo Board (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: Activist hedge fund Starboard Value LP moved on Thursday to overthrow the entire board of Yahoo Inc, including Chief Executive Marissa Mayer, who has struggled to turn around the company in her nearly four years at the helm. Starboard, which has been pushing for changes at Yahoo since 2014 and owns about 1.7 percent of the company, said it would nominate nine candidates for the board. The proxy fight comes as Yahoo is pressing ahead with an auction of its core Internet business, which includes search, mail and news sites. Yahoo and Starboard could still come to an agreement before the company's annual meeting, expected to be in late June. If they cannot avoid a proxy fight and the Yahoo board election is taken to a shareholder vote, attention will swing to the large mutual and index funds that own the stock and will carry heavy weight in the final tally. Yahoo and Starboard representatives met on March 10 to discuss ways the two sides could avoid a proxy fight, according to people familiar with the matter. But those talks broke down, in part because Starboard was upset by Yahoo's announcement that same day that it appointed two new board directors, these people say.

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  1. What's Yahoo's asset value vs. market cap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They could probably make a few bucks selling their office chairs.

    1. Re: What's Yahoo's asset value vs. market cap? by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      I wonder if Yahoo lets their employees go to the restroom more than Amazon does (if not, those chairs could have some serious shit stains...)

    2. Re:What's Yahoo's asset value vs. market cap? by Dorianny · · Score: 1

      Or its $24 billion stake in Alibaba at current market price. The market values Yahoo's core business at just $1B

    3. Re:What's Yahoo's asset value vs. market cap? by flopsquad · · Score: 1

      They could probably make a few bucks selling their office chairs.

      "Ha! Jokes on you, suckers. Get one of these Mayer-matic 8000 ergonomic rollers within 12 feet of any computing device and it sets Yahoo as the default search, homepage, mail, maps, calendar, banking app, and 911 call center.

      You, uh, don't want to know what happens when you actually sit down on it... let's just say it puts some of that robust 'Yahoo! branding' on your 'toolbar'..."

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  2. One of the problems of public companies... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of the problems of public companies is this sort of thing...

    Someone who owns less than 2% of the company is drawing massive attention towards something that will keep the leadership from doing what the company needs long term.

    I would not be shocked if Marissa Mayer has had to devote a lot of time and energy to this sort of thing over the past 4 years, and probably has a much greater awareness of how hard the big chair is. Not because running a company is so hard, but because she has to deal with thousands of investors who all want to give their 2 cents.

    This is one of the reasons that Dell went private, it was the only way to plan longer than 3 months in advance. Wall Street is so focused on quarterly numbers, it is really hard to make 5 year plans. If a company doesn't post impressive results quickly, the CEO gets tossed out and someone new brought it.

    1. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have yet to see an activist investor who has done anything but ruin a company, intentionally, for his personal gain. The only value I see in their activities is that somehow they manage to break a huge goliath with a stranglehold on an industry by accident, leaving the market open for new blood to come in. Of course when that happens it's because of carelessness on the investors part, normally in that case they just inflate prices beyond all reason.

      TL;DR: Maybe they will die in a fire.

    2. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Ditto. Why does Jeffrey Smith become CEO of Yahoo and see how easy it is to run the company. I'm thinking he's feeling buyers remorse and is trying to get his money back. Activist investors need to be stopped.

    3. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      I was wondering how someone with that small of a block could force this, but I guess it depends on the way the company charter and other stuff is written.

      I guess if it says "a block of 1% shall be sufficient" or something like that, sure.

      But otherwise you'd think the board could say "over-ruled".

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    4. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Doubt it could get any worse. Mayer is the CEO that effectively fired any telecommuting Yahoo employee.

    5. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by OzPeter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Someone who owns less than 2% of the company is drawing massive attention towards something that will keep the leadership from doing what the company needs long term.

      And they are doing it by going around to people who control larger blocks and convincing them that something needs to be done.

      Obviously the arguments they are using are resonating with the people who own the larger blocks.

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    6. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      And they are doing it by going around to people who control larger blocks and convincing them that something needs to be done.

      I didn't read that, but perhaps I overlooked it somewhere in the article.

      In any case, why would the person owning 1.7% doing the visible fighting, shouldn't the people who own larger blocks do that?

      Finally, it is one thing to say "we don't like you" or "we don't think you're the right person for the job", but then the question is, "who would be right for it?"

      I'm not at all convinced that anyone could do it, why you would invest in Yahoo is beyond me, so perhaps I'm the wrong person to ask. :)

    7. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      I didn't read that, but perhaps I overlooked it somewhere in the article.

      To be fair I heard it on NPR this morning. Don't know if its in TFA.

      In any case, why would the person owning 1.7% doing the visible fighting, shouldn't the people who own larger blocks do that?

      Why does it matter who takes the lead?

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    8. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was wondering how someone with that small of a block could force this

      They can't "force" it. They have to get another 48% of the shareholders to agree with them. They might be able to. Yahoo has been adrift and rudderless for years. The company is worth less than their assets. I live in San Jose, and several of my neighbors work for Yahoo. They are not demoralized about the direction of the company, they are demoralized because the company has no direction. I can't think of a single new Yahoo service, or a single existing service that has improved in the last decade.

    9. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by lgw · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is how major changes happen at big corporations. The fundamental principle that the board must represent the shareholders, and the CEO must keep the board happy, isn't some myth. "Activist shareholders" can only make noise, by themselves, but if they're making compelling arguments then they can win. They'll need the votes of the majority of shares, though.

      I've worked at 3 companies in my career (thus far) that fired the CEO in an act of shareholder revolt - in 2 cases the board acted on their own initiative, and in 1 case it was shareholder activists (with majority backing) forcing the company to change the way it did business.

      It's not usually a question of "the right person" but of "entirely the wrong focus for the business" (at least in the opinion of one side).

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    10. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by PCM2 · · Score: 2

      Adrift and rudderless for years before Marisa Mayer came along, it seems. Remember when Mayer had to abolish Yahoo's work-from-home policy because so many of its employees just couldn't even bother to show up?

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    11. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      And what else are they supposed to do if they do not want to see Yahoo destroyed by bad leadership? Meyer wants to sell off ALL the assets that are actually worth anything and could be used to help revitalize the company and replace them with....not a fucking thing actually.

      Honestly a corporate raiser from the 80s couldn't fuck up this company any worse than what she has done in her 4 years at the helm, they have some assets that are VERY well liked (or were before she let the UI team take a big shit on them) like Yahoo Mail and Yahoo News and she has done fuck all except flail around completely lost and look to sell everything that wasn't nailed down.

      if Yahoo has a chance in hell of being saved she has to go, simple as that, and the board has made it clear they won't fire her no matter what dumb ideas she comes up with. At this point an investor revolt is pretty much the last option available as its obvious to anybody with eyes that she simply has no idea what to do with the company, no direction, and the longer she stays at the helm the worse its gonna get.

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    12. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by Quzak · · Score: 1

      Stopped? Why? This is bloody entertainment!

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    13. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      The fact is that Jerry Yang fucked the company up royally when it spurned Microsoft's advances. While I think Marissa hasn't helped, and in some ways may have made things worse (particularly in the employee morale department), she took on an impossible task. Yahoo has literally been a financial Titanic, slowly raking itself along the iceberg and taking on water ever since. Right now it's worth more dead than alive, but soon enough it won't be worth jack shit either way.

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    14. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      but because she has to deal with thousands of investors who all want to give their 2 cents.

      But that IS the job of the CEO; to delegate the working of the company and to keep the heat off of those people from higher ups (the board/the investors) so that they can do their job in peace.

      It's the same all the way down to the lowest level manager. If you don't want to deal with it, remain a private company.

    15. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Wow, this is a good example of some really badly-mixed metaphors. How'd the sharks get into the toilet?

    16. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      It's worth less than the current value of the Alibaba stock it holds.

      That's mostly due to the Shanghai stock market being so broken, but it still says a lot.

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    17. Re: One of the problems of public companies... by Type44Q · · Score: 1
      This is bloody entertainment!

      No, "bloody entertainment" would be Billary vs Fiorina with bladed weapons.

    18. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      yahoo mail has free imap access now that's a plus.

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    19. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      I can't think of a single new Yahoo service, or a single existing service that has improved in the last decade.

      Oh, come now, the number of ad shitware my ad blocker needs to block on Yahoo mail is at an all time high. :-P

      And I only use Yahoo mail because my ISP partnered with them and off-loaded my email to them, and mostly to receive email from the ISP.

      Other than that, Yahoo is surviving on sheer inertia of people too lazy to switch away.

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    20. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by rahvin112 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yahoo was making money during Yang's term. Just not "enough" money. Starboard and the investors that drove Yang out simply want to suck all the money out and walk away.

      As another posters said, I haven't met an "activist shareholder" yet that wants to do anything other that gut the company, take the resources and let the whole thing collapse in on itself and lay everyone off, either that or take all the resources, export all the jobs overseas then let the company be purchased by the Chinese who are quite happy with a 1-3% return because they have national pride and want to support the Chinese economy.

      The CEO's and major investors on wall street these days are destroying this country. They have no national pride, don't give a crap about this country and are only out for themselves even if it destroys the US in the process. Many many are worse than traitors. Shipping all your jobs overseas so you can make an extra 0.5% return at the expense of thousands of American jobs is the opposite of patriotic. These people hate the US and should be treated as such.

    21. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by rahvin112 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The problem that's gripping the American public business climate is that the board of directors are often token shareholders if that. These days usually more than half the board of directors are CEO friends of the current CEO. This is why executive salaries are sky rocketing. There is no owner chokehold on the management of the companies anymore as the board of directors votes to raise one CEO's pay and he returns the favor by voting for the same thing on all the board's of directors he sits on.

      Shareholders have abrogated their responsibility and are allowing these sham boards and leaders to run companies into the ground to enrich themselves. Most of this is because the majority of shareholders these days are mutual funds and retirement groups (called institutional investors) that take no responsibility for the massive stock holdings they have. It allows these companies to sail along rudderless diverting shareholder resources into the pockets of the executive management.

      But these activist investors are NOT the solution. They are sharks that are out to gut the company and sell the assets to make a couple bucks short term profit. The only real answer to this problem is for the investors, in particular the institutional investors (including the mutual funds that hold almost all stock) to hire or appoint board members that actually look after stockholders interests including long term growth and profit. Until that happens the US will continue to decline.

    22. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      And what else are they supposed to do if they do not want to see Yahoo destroyed by bad leadership?

      Sell their stock and go invest in something else?

      Meyer wants to sell off ALL the assets that are actually worth anything and could be used to help revitalize the company and replace them with....not a fucking thing actually.

      Sometimes the best thing you can do is sell everything off and return the money to shareholders. I don't think the company could be revitalized no matter who was running it. I don't see any young people using Yahoo, it is mostly people my age and older.

      At this point an investor revolt is pretty much the last option available as its obvious to anybody with eyes that she simply has no idea what to do with the company, no direction, and the longer she stays at the helm the worse its gonna get.

      Are you sure she has no idea what she's doing? She gets $158 million if the core business gets sold. She might be smarter than you think. :)

    23. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      In any case, why would the person owning 1.7% doing the visible fighting, shouldn't the people who own larger blocks do that?

      Finally, it is one thing to say "we don't like you" or "we don't think you're the right person for the job", but then the question is, "who would be right for it?"

      I'm not at all convinced that anyone could do it, why you would invest in Yahoo is beyond me, so perhaps I'm the wrong person to ask. :)

      You don't have to have 1.7%. You can own one share and declare you want the board changed.

      Granted, with 1 share it's a bit harder, but if you speak in a way that resonates with the other shareholders to demand something be changed, then if a majority agree, then something has to be changed.

      At 1.7%, all they can do is make noise and hope everyone else agrees with them.

      And it happens to every company - some minority shareholder wants to put forward a motion, and it has to be listened to. Apple went through this a few years ago when some shareholder wanted Apple to give up their environment action plans because they cost money and aren't maximizing profit. All Tim Cook could do was put it up for a vote, with the caveat that Apple does this because it's part of the Apple culture.

      The vote ended up being lopsided against the investor.

      Shareholders own the company. Their interests are represented by the Board, who tell the CEO to accomplish it. The CEO delates to the executives and everyone else. If a shareholder disagrees with the way the company is run, they are obliged to make it known, and it's up to the rest of the shareholders to agree or disagree.

      Granted, the little shareholders are often called "activist" because they make a lot of noise.

    24. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      But that IS the job of the CEO; to delegate the working of the company and to keep the heat off of those people from higher ups (the board/the investors) so that they can do their job in peace.

      No, it really isn't...

      That is part of Tim Cook's problem, he lacks Steve Jobs's vision...

      Steve Jobs famously told investors "shut up and enjoy the ride, or sell your stock and go away".

      Tim Cook is more of an operations person than a vision person. The CEO needs to be vision. This is the same problem Steve Balmer had trying to replace Bill Gates. Another operations person.

      Now perhaps Marissa Mayer isn't cut out to be CEO, not everyone is. That's fine. But without a real vision and the ability to articulate it, you just have an operations person.

      What is Marissa Mayer's vision for Yahoo? Besides earning a crap load of money for herself of course. :)

    25. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Sexism! Microaggression! How dare you criticize a woman in tech. You fucking mysognists are the problem not Marissa Mayer.

    26. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by dywolf · · Score: 2

      You really need to stop confusing the ignorant caricatures in your head with reality.
      In fact, a return to reality in general would do you good.

      Can you think of anyone on the Left who supports Americans having jobs?

      Seriously?
      Fucking moron.

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    27. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Well the M&M does want to replace those sold of assets with something, a huge mega bonus for herself as a result of pumped up profits for those quarters that incorporate those sales. You sell something, you make money, even though what you sold will no longer make you money, but this quarters profits are huge and so are your bonuses. Yeah pretty much a scam, organised by champions of the Peter Principle, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/..., perhaps we can now call it M&M principle https://www.youtube.com/watch?..., why do those idiots so much remind me of the typical corporate executive when it comes to proper business plans, rather than managing scams to enrich themselves and hide their incompetence.

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    28. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      I used to follow IBM closely. Through their almost going extinct phase n the early 1990's. At the time, everyone thought that IBM was failing because it lacked vision (and also they were so far gone that no one could possibly save them). Lou Gerstner was hired for the job declaring that "the last thing IBM needs right now is a vision right now" as he instead focused on execution, decisiveness, simplifying the organization for speed, and breaking the gridlock. To the dismay of all the IBM supporters. And while IBM did fall relatively, it increased its position fourfold ($30B-$170B) at a time most had written it off.

    29. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Fair point, but IBM had something Yahoo does not... long term large customers who had limited choices for alternates...

      You really can't compare IBM to Yahoo, by any stretch... Yahoo is a consumer company, IBM is a B-to-B company.

    30. Re: One of the problems of public companies... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      No, "bloody entertainment" would be Billary vs Fiorina with bladed weapons.

      I would pay good money to see that! :)

    31. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by kuzb · · Score: 1

      Mayer has proven one thing singularly - she's not fit to run the company. She's made a series of horrible choices and it has cost the company dearly.

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    32. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by ultranova · · Score: 2

      The only real answer to this problem is for the investors, in particular the institutional investors (including the mutual funds that hold almost all stock) to hire or appoint board members that actually look after stockholders interests including long term growth and profit.

      The problem with that is that in a high liquid market - such as the stock market - long term growth and profit are almost completely irrelevant, because shareholders can easily get rid of their shares after pocketing short-term windfalls. It's a classic Tragedy of the Commons: everyone can profit by defecting because the costs of doing so are shared by everyone, consequently everyone does so, and so everyone is worse off.

      Then there's outright parasites like patent trolls, high-frequency traders, etc. taking on the role of opportunistic infections in a dying system.

      Until that happens the US will continue to decline.

      US will continue to decline until it falls. There's too much power invested in screwing over others for profit - and too many delusions about the consequences - for any non-crisis change to be possible. The only real question is whether it loses superpower status, first world status or existence.

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    33. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Remember when Mayer had to abolish Yahoo's work-from-home policy because so many of its employees just couldn't even bother to show up?

      Mayer had to abolish a company policy because the employees were actually following it?

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    34. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      Ditto. Why does Jeffrey Smith become CEO of Yahoo and see how easy it is to run the company. I'm thinking he's feeling buyers remorse and is trying to get his money back. Activist investors need to be stopped.

      While generally I'd agree (Icahn), I think this time around it's more necessary as Yahoo! is almost actively destroying their own value - selling off core businesses after remaking them to look like Google.

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    35. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by nazsco · · Score: 1

      History context for the clueless that only goes as deep as the article titles:

      Everyone who managed to hold yahoo stock after the dot com bubble (yahoo was the only one that did not tank, so you had to be pretty loaded to survive with stocks after that) also holds lots and lots of microsoft stock.

      before google, yahoo was the only competition to microsoft online.

      Now, you have tons of stocks of a close-to-monopoly company, microsoft, that pays some dividend. And then you have a few stocks from a runner up that you can't really control and do not pay dividends.

      What you do?

      1. you call your friends at Goldman&Sachs, ask them to publish an evaluation of value-assets=$0 (reason why first poster made the joke about selling the chairs. Media manipulation was that easy on the 90s)
      2. Wait for the market to panic. Buy all you can to get control (i.e. become activist).
      3. crash and burn company so Microsoft can buy the remaining market
      4. PROFIT!

      Now you killed the only competition to microsoft (remember, we are in the 90's here) and microsoft can become a sort-of-monopoly on yet another market! and that is a company you already owns tons of stock.

      that is the reason they professionaly-killed Jery Yang, because he suggested a buy back.

      Here we are in the next century. And the same is happening. Why? because those companies now, having lost the google ship, called their friends at goldman&sachs and asked for another fake evaluation: facebook. And that is the reason you are seeing all those "barbarian at the gates" histories on Yahoo yet again. And all those evaluations that ignore all the millions on profit and say that yahoo is only worth the BABA stocks.

    36. Re: One of the problems of public companies... by flopsquad · · Score: 1

      Can't pretty much anything be literally figuratively anything?

      Mind <-- blown.

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    37. Re:One of the problems of public companies... by flopsquad · · Score: 1

      They used their frickin laser beams to tunnel into the plumbing system. Had to cut through a lot of red tape to throw down the gauntlet and go the extra mile like this, but they really pulled into the fast lane and hit a home run here. I mean sharks in the toilet! Checkmate!

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  3. Vultures fighting over dead meat by bigpat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The only thing a proxy fight can do is devalue the company even more. Just as the stupid fight to oust Marissa Meyer has devalued the company. Yahoo lost as a Big Internet company when it outsourced search to Google and focused on content. Content is hard, expensive, competitive and very hit or miss. By the time you know whether or not you have a winning combination you may have already moved on to try something else. And as far as I can tell Yahoo has just a few brand/content offerings that are very popular with everything else just kind puttering along. The Internet needs some more non-Facebook-Google-Twitter Internet companies to remain vital and it is too bad Yahoo has been on the long slide down.

    1. Re:Vultures fighting over dead meat by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Yup just turn it into a dividend paying company and that's the end of it.

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    2. Re:Vultures fighting over dead meat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I can't help but wonder how much of this is a fight over who gets to loot the Ali-Baba shares.

    3. Re:Vultures fighting over dead meat by slew · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yahoo lost as a Big Internet company when it outsourced search to Microsoft/Bing and focused on content.

      FTFY...

    4. Re:Vultures fighting over dead meat by bigpat · · Score: 1

      Yahoo lost as a Big Internet company when it outsourced search to Microsoft/Bing and focused on content.

      FTFY...

      Bing/Microsoft was 2009. Outsourcing to Google came first and then again later. When they bought their long time search engine provider Inktomi in 2003 they should have focused on providing search in-house, but instead they used Google search results, then went back to their own and then Microsoft/Bing and then Google. Instead of competing with Google when they lost market share they just went in a different direction. Seems they were critically late by about 3 or 4 years late in their strategic decision between 1999 and 2004 and by then Google had won search and they just surrendered.

  4. Marissa Mayer had a near impossible job... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Frankly, Marissa Mayer faced a nearly impossible job, turn around Yahoo!, a company that by 2012 was largely pointless in the Internet space and had failed to move into new spaces and allowed new companies to run right over it.

    Ten years before, in 2002, it was a household name, however it largely has lost that due to not keeping up with the times.

    It might well not have mattered who became CEO in 2012, the company was probably already past the point of no return. My mother uses Yahoo, as does my older brother. Our friends who have teenagers? They likely don't even know what Yahoo is.

    1. Re:Marissa Mayer had a near impossible job... by Notorious+G · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The turnaround was difficult but Mayer has botched it pretty badly. Questionable hires for millions - that quickly left the company after nothing accomplished, media investments that make little sense - Couric? Really?, and acquisitions that have proven time and again to be bad investments. With Mayer at the helm, Yahoo's value declined to the point that it was actually negative but for the AliBaba stock. Spin off that stock, and Yahoo is worthless, literally. She's been a train wreck.

    2. Re:Marissa Mayer had a near impossible job... by ADRA · · Score: 2

      Meh, I literally ignored Yahoo for the 10 years before Mayer. Afterwards, there were certainly a few things that that made me clue into Yahoo again, at least for a while then faded away again. I can't say how much of Yahoo's finale is Meyer's personal fault, but any layman from the outside saw that boat sinking regardless.

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  5. First priority: change the web page by smooth+wombat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If Starboard has taken over they should fire every web developer and person involved with the crapfest they call a web site. Since they changed to the horrid design I, and many others I know, haven't gone back.

    It had to have been "redesigned" by a web developer because no one with any sort of common sense or scintilla of design comprehension would have thought it looks good or is usable.

    The next up to be fired are the idiots who force people to give up their phone number to make an account. It doesn't do anything for security or prevent spammers from generating accounts. All it does is annoy people.

    This is probably one of the few times a hedge fund taking over a company may actually produce something useful.

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    1. Re:First priority: change the web page by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      The next up to be fired are the idiots who force people to give up their phone number to make an account. It doesn't do anything for security or prevent spammers from generating accounts. All it does is annoy people.

      Really? I personally have no issues with that.

      Yahoo and Google can both have my number, to make an account with an e-mail address, that strikes me as quite reasonable.

      But I'm 40, so perhaps I'm the wrong person to ask. I grew up with only landlines. :) I wonder what 20 year old's think about it.

    2. Re:First priority: change the web page by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      If Starboard has taken over they should fire every web developer and person involved with the crapfest they call a web site. Since they changed to the horrid design I, and many others I know, haven't gone back.

      The problem here is that most web sites have done the same thing. They're all horrid these days!

    3. Re:First priority: change the web page by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

      I'm older than you and it annoyed me when Yahoo started suggesting I give them my phone number. When I later went to add a second account (since you can't add multiple emails under an umbrella account), they require you to give out a phone number. As if a spammer or other type wouldn't be able to fool the system.

      They have enough ads on their site (okay, I don't most any of them) they don't need my phone number to give away so advertisers can annoy me. Nor do I worry about forgetting what my account or password is since I have it documented.

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    4. Re:First priority: change the web page by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Part of the reason to have a phone number is for security.

      If you log into my GMail account from a computer that is "new", it texts a 6 digit code to my phone to enter.

      I like that aspect of security.

  6. Boards Need To Be Torn Down by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/ce...

    There needs to be new rules regarding boards of directors. For one thing, serving on multiple boards needs to stop. These people tend to be captive to CEOs anyway, and get their positions for that reason. That's how we got to a situation where the top-paid CEOs are not the top performing CEOs. Make a law that you can only serve on one board at a time.

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    1. Re:Boards Need To Be Torn Down by lgw · · Score: 1

      There are in fact laws about this: you can't generally serve on the board of companies in the same market.

      The CEO reports to the board, and is chosen by the board, not the other way around. Sometimes the founder of the company (or someone who it's thought has or will rescue a failing company) will be both chairman and CEO, and that changes the dynamic, but that's not normal.

      Sine when are the top paid people in any profession the best performers, BTW? More correlation with CEOs than with musicians or actors, if you ask me. At least overpaid athletes tend to be good at their jobs, but even then not always the best.

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    2. Re:Boards Need To Be Torn Down by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are in fact laws about this [wikipedia.org]: you can't generally serve on the board of companies in the same market.

      No, you have that wrong. You can't serve on the boards of two competing corporations. When you say "in the same market" it does not mean the same thing.

      The CEO reports to the board, and is chosen by the board, not the other way around.

      Here's the article again. You should read it:

      http://www.wsj.com/articles/ce...

      And here's the study behind the article:

      http://jom.sagepub.com/content...

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    3. Re:Boards Need To Be Torn Down by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      Though I think there is a role for government law making with regard to boards of directors, the easiest and best solution is for the institutional investors (mutual funds and retirement accounts) that hold up to 80% of the shares to stand up and take responsibility and appoint or hire directors who will look after the long term interests of the company.

    4. Re:Boards Need To Be Torn Down by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Though I think there is a role for government law making with regard to boards of directors, the easiest and best solution is for the institutional investors (mutual funds and retirement accounts) that hold up to 80% of the shares to stand up and take responsibility and appoint or hire directors who will look after the long term interests of the company.

      The institutional investors are not interested in the long term interest of the company. They're interested in the long term interests of themselves and that means the short-term interests of the company.

      The institutional investors are complicit.

      Believe it or not, problems of this magnitude do not have free market solutions. Because there are no such thing as free markets.

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    5. Re:Boards Need To Be Torn Down by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Of course, the US legal profession has a massive ethical conflict of interest with respect to recognizing the 9th Amendment, so nothing can come of this. The business world is unethical because the lawyers are unethical.

      'Cept all those lawyers are working for someone else. They're all being paid by someone else.

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  7. The hell is a proxy fight? by Sowelu · · Score: 2

    Anyone willing to give a tl;dr explanation for those of us who don't want to get lost on Wikipedia for the next couple hours?

    1. Re:The hell is a proxy fight? by ADRA · · Score: 4, Informative

      Shareholders don't get involved in day to day running of the business. They give that responsibility to the board of directors through elections, etc.. The Board of directors generally don't get involved in day to day business. They give that responsibility to the CEO, senior leadership.

      If you're a 'radical investor', you may disagree with the direction the board of directors has taken with the company. Generally the only successful actions are to challenge the board on their ability to generate business success and increase the value of their stocks (as is their fiduciary responsibility).

      At the end of the day, the more voting shares in a company decides who gets elected to the board of directors, and this investor is saying: "Hey everyone, these guys don't know what they're doing and we want to elect a new set of people to better represent our interests".

      If you want to know the word 'proxy' in this, its because most shareholders don't take an active role in the company at all. They 'proxy' their vote to someone that knows the company well enough to work for their best financial interests. If you're fighting over proxies, you're essentially calling up investment company's / banks / mutual funds / pension plans / etc.. and assign their current proxies to themselves (or their agenda interested friends).

      TLDR :: Investor (you) -> Investment company -> Proxy representative -> Board of Directors -> CEO/CFO...

      This is possibly over-simplified, but I hope it gets the jist of it. I'm not an expert in the area either, so a more informed insider could better describe it.

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    2. Re:The hell is a proxy fight? by EmperorArthur · · Score: 2

      This is the way it works for many companies:

      In theory every shareholder gets a vote. One vote per share. Now here's the trick. In order to vote you have to come to a shareholder meeting, which is often deliberately scheduled on a Wednesday somewhere that's expensive to get to or stay at. This is done deliberately to make it a pain for those people who only own a few shares to vote for things.

      Now what shareholders can do is let someone vote for them. That person is their "proxy" or representative. Almost always these proxies don't just represent one person, but rather an entire faction. So, you have each of the factions competing to get shareholders allow them to act on their behalf. Now it sounds like a representative democracy, but what really happens is the big players game the system. That's why shareholder meetings are made as annoying to attend as possible, and there's nothing like a mail in ballot.

      TLDR:
      Theory is shareholders (vote on) -> board members (select)-> company CEO/President
      Reality is shareholders (give power to)-> proxies (vote on) -> board members (select)-> company CEO/President

      Knowing this a proxy fight is merely trying to sway shareholders and proxies to your way of thinking.

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    3. Re:The hell is a proxy fight? by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      Shareholders don't get involved in day to day running of the business. They give that responsibility to the board of directors through elections, etc.. The Board of directors generally don't get involved in day to day business. They give that responsibility to the CEO, senior leadership.

      30 Years ago that was true. These days the CEO hires the board by finding friends who are CEO's of other companies to sit on the board. The CEO then sits on their board of directors and they give each other raises. It's a great way to screw the owners and suck all the company revenue into the CEO's pocket.

    4. Re:The hell is a proxy fight? by bigpat · · Score: 1

      Anyone willing to give a tl;dr explanation for those of us who don't want to get lost on Wikipedia for the next couple hours?

      A day late, but: A proxy fight is when the owners of 50.1% of the voting shares get together and try to install new management starting with the board of directors. This happens at the annual meeting when the board is usually just rubber stamped by shareholders.

  8. Wait wait by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wait wait....Yahoo has a board of directors? I'll need more proof than just this bland assertion.

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    1. Re:Wait wait by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      Yahoo does, and they're almost as effective as HP's board.

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  9. Why is there even still a Yahoo? by kheldan · · Score: 1

    Yahoo seems like it's in the same category as AOL: Irrelevant. Does Yahoo even offer anything of value anymore? Or does it hang on in the same way that AOL hangs on: An aging userbase that doesn't know about anything else and/or just isn't willing to change until forced to do so? Maybe it's better off being broken up into bite-size pieces and sold off, maybe the new owners of said component pieces will do something relevant and useful with them.

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    1. Re:Why is there even still a Yahoo? by zlives · · Score: 1

      for a second there i thought you were talking about facejob

    2. Re:Why is there even still a Yahoo? by kheldan · · Score: 2

      I'd like Failbook to become irrelevant, but we're not quite there yet. Give it time.

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  10. I agree, but they are not dead yet by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Yahoo mail is still I think, pretty good. I still prefer Flickr for photo sharing and think they have done some good things there.

    I think there are more people using Yahoo than many imagine ; as you say I can't see how they could have done any better with the position they were in. If Microsoft could not move the needle of Bing over Google, even owning the OS most people still use - well then what chance to Yahoo have?? None.

    Yahoo still has a decent name and some good properties, it could be that now is the time for new directions that would really help the company grow.

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  11. Re:Good for her by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know what's a lot less productive than a telecommuting employee that's already working for the company?

    Nobody working in that position.

    BTW: Another winner company has your same opinion with the same butts in seats position on employees. You may have used their products. BlackBerry.

  12. How do I export my yahoo email history? by aoeu · · Score: 1

    worst coming to worst.

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    1. Re:How do I export my yahoo email history? by toonces33 · · Score: 1

      Dunno. My guess is that you can set up a mail client of some sort with IMAP pointing at the yahoo servers, and just download the whole thing.

      I use my yahoo account when stupid websites want me to "register" when I don't want them to have my real email. If Yahoo went away tomorrow, I would barely notice. But for my personal use, I have my own domain, and I recently added spam@foo.com to my domain so that I have a fallback if yahoo goes away.

  13. Re:Skip to the end by basscomm · · Score: 1

    Let's just skip to the end and launch an initiative to remove Yahoo.

    Seriously, who uses them?

    Anybody who installed Firefox and accepted all defaults

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  14. Re:Good for her by Darron_Wyke · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Another one, before they started losing customers en mass: IBM. Before they consolidated their employees to the GDC model (which had them working from homes or perhaps if they had a local IBM office), customers would have dedicated IBMers with them for a particular role. Now that many of those dedicated people were told to either move to a remote location or lose your job, well... And all of this was before the massive overseas transition, too. This was when IBM still had a sizeable portion of their workforce in the US. Not even 8 years ago.

  15. What about that golden parachute? by kriston · · Score: 1

    What about Mayer's golden parachute? Surely they can invalidate it so she doesn't walk away a lottery winner after all these years YHOO hasn't turned around.

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  16. They're still profitable by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    just not as much. And they're only worth less than their assets because of Alibaba, which unexpectedly exploded. And there's the rub. Take any company that's got assets worth a lot and somewhere out there is someone looking to gut the company and siphon off those assets for themselves. I looked up an old store called Yellow Front that I used to love when I was a kid and found they had that happen to them too. Profitable company that owned a lot of land so someone bought 'em, sold the land and shut down the company. Happened to Mervyn's too. Like Science Fiction? You can thank this business method for killing off all the great sci-fi monthlies. Their distributor owned a bunch of land too. After they lost their distributor they all went under before they could find a new one (this was the 50s, getting a new distribution network in place wasn't easy). It's so common we have a name for it: Bained.

    Best quote I ever read was this: The stock market is no longer a method for getting capital into successful businesses, but for getting it out.

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  17. investors want to predictions met - plans working by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > Wall Street is so focused on quarterly numbers, it is really hard to make 5 year plans.

    Wall Street is particularly focused on whether or not those quarterly numbers match forecasts or not. Losing money every quarter, like Amazon did for years, along with many other companies, is fine IF you're hitting the numbers in your five-year plan, and that plan has a path to profitability eventually.

    What doesn't inspire investor confidence is when you lay out a plan that includes increasing revenue by 5% and decreasing expenses by 15%, then you actually do the opposite- decreasing revenue and increasing expenses. You absolutely can follow a five year plan, and even plan to lose money the first four years, but you'd better execute the plan you communicated.

    If you can't execute the plan, well maybe you shouldn't be the executive.

  18. Re:investors want to predictions met - plans worki by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

    Losing money every quarter, like Amazon did for years, along with many other companies, is fine IF you're hitting the numbers in your five-year plan, and that plan has a path to profitability eventually.

    You make an interesting point, but also point out how little discipline most investors really have.

    Amazon was supposed to long ago be profitable, they have moved the goal posts so many times, I'd really have to do some research to find the original plan.

    Amazon STILL doesn't make any money, long after that date, but for some reason, investors love it.

    I love Amazon as a customer, but as a business, they are a mess. All the bad stuff of a huge retailer without the good stuff, and very little barrier to entry to competition.

  19. Re:Yahoo is still around? by ShaunC · · Score: 1

    Yahoo sells mail as an enterprise product much like Google and Microsoft, so Yahoo Mail has millions of users under other branding. For example, anyone with an email address @att.net, @bellsouth.net, @sbcglobal.net, @swbell.net, or @flash.net is actually a Yahoo Mail user, the webmail interface is att.yahoo.com.

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  20. Yahoo.com is the number 1 web portal in USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yahoo.com is the number 1 web portal in the USA. Alexa ranks yahoo.com as number 5, and MSN.com as number 25. web portals have high fixed costs, and low incremental costs, so Yahoo is worth something. Revenue of $4 billion, profit of $100 million, and employing 10,000 people is a decent company. Yahoo is not a tech giant, and should not pretend to be. I think Yahoo should have done even less tech stuff, just like Yahoo Japan.

  21. Amazon became a pop stock, yet profitable & dr by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Amazon is SO well known, and was so "hot" for a while that people made irrational investments in Amazon. That probably also included quite large proportion of people who either had never picked stocks before or don't understand and use the fundamental numbers. As such, it was a bit of a bad example for my point.

    That said, I understand they've now had two or three consecutive days profitable quarters, and the price dropped 13% on the day they announced that they had failed to meet projections - that things weren't going quite according plan. So yeah bad example of my original point.

  22. Re:Amazon became a pop stock, yet profitable & by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

    :) In fairness, I did pick on that part, but I will admit that you are not being unreasonable in your original post re: Yahoo.

    I would agree that she hasn't done much for Yahoo, or so it appears. I just don't know that anyone could have.

    Will she survive? Meh, thankfully not my problem and she is wealthy enough that she won't be going hungry over it. :)

  23. Re:Yahoo is still around? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

    I know a person who uses a Yahoo account as their second email account.

    I know such a shyster too. Worse: he uses Yahoo as his primary mail account. Seriously broken software. Not only does it ignore existence of carriage returns but also of spaces, and often runsseveralwordstogether.

  24. Re:Yahoo Finance by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

    Because if they don't everyone says they are irrelevant and should just go away...even if they are profitable. I had been reading about how Yahoo was a "dead company walking" for years when I discovered that they were making a larger profit (and had been for some time) than their competitors who had supposedly made them irrelevant (and were valued higher on the stock market).

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  25. You have been to yahoo.com? by bigpat · · Score: 1

    I didn't even go to yahoo.com after this story. I Googled yahoo and read about yahoo on Wikipedia. :) Yahoo's relevance isn't just about web design anymore.

  26. Re:Yahoo is still around? by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

    I know a person who uses a Yahoo account as their second email account.

    I know such a shyster too. Worse: he uses Yahoo as his primary mail account. Seriously broken software. Not only does it ignore existence of carriage returns but also of spaces, and often runsseveralwordstogether.

    I primarily use Yahoo! but it's more a matter of the practicality of moving off and onto my own server, namely due to that I've had the Yahoo! account as a primary address since 1999.

    Even so, they do a lot seem to be pushing people *away* from using their services.

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  27. Re:Yahoo is still around? by flopsquad · · Score: 1

    Hey +1 Insightful Sig...

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