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Apple's Night Shift May Have Zero Effect On Sleep (macworld.com)

eggboard writes: While blue light emitted by monitors and mobile displays has been widely cited as a cause in disrupting people's circadian rhythm, the evidence is thin: a narrow range of blue spectra might not be the problem (it may be a more complicated interaction), brightness may be more important, and Night Shift's (and f.lux's) effects are probably too negligible anyway. Apple's Night Shift feature lets you adjust the color temperature of your display to the warmer end of the spectrum. Apple notes, "Many studies have shown that exposure to bright blue light in the evening can affect your circadian rhythms and make it harder to fall asleep."

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  1. bright blue flashing lights interrupt my rhythm by turkeydance · · Score: 4, Funny

    "You're in heap of trouble, boy."

  2. Duly noted. by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Even if it doesn't, I very much love the aesthetics of the warm display at night. I think it's less jarring going from looking around a warmly-lit room to a reddened display, and whenever I turn f.lux or Night Shift off it's like I'm suddenly staring into the sun.

    If it helps my sleep, cool. If it doesn't, I still like it.

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    1. Re:Duly noted. by fiver-hoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yep. Same here. If it happens to improve my sleep, it's merely a bonus. I've never cared. It is simply much more pleasant to use a display with a warmer color temperature in the evening.

    2. Re:Duly noted. by buchner.johannes · · Score: 2

      http://jonls.dk/redshift/ is a open-source alternative

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    3. Re:Duly noted. by Solandri · · Score: 2

      Reminds me of the arguments we had about green vs. amber vs. white monitors back in the 1980s.

      Yeah, our screen tech was so bad back then our displays only had one color. Now get off my lawn.

    4. Re:Duly noted. by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wasn't it supposed to be amber that was best on the eyes? I always hated that myself, and was solidly in the green camp. One of the first things I always do on a new computer is set the terminal to green on black.

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    5. Re:Duly noted. by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sadly all we get in the west are those stupid Philips Hue bulbs that change to a variety of pointless colours.

      Sadly, you have no idea what you are on about. Using the API, you can switch to any color you like, and you can get as complicated as you like with it. And F.Lux has support for controlling Phillips Hue, so you can have it happen automagically through that or other means. What a surprise that you of all people are talking bollocks.

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  3. Not a sham, just not quite there. by vulpcod3z · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Been using f.lux for a few years now; it does wonders to reduce my eye strain but I still find myself up in the late hours, regardless.

    1. Re:Not a sham, just not quite there. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yep. f.lux is definitely a winner. And when I'm paying attention when the display changes from day to night, it reminds me that the sun has just set and allows me to pause for a second to note the passage. It reminds me that there are other things to do in life and not to lose track of time.

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    2. Re:Not a sham, just not quite there. by SNRatio · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think f.lux just doesn't go far enough. To change your ability to fall asleep: reduce room lighting drastically and use Negativescreen or another app so that the screen is just very dim red on black or vice versa. Also: text only, wait til tomorrow for youtube, facebube, Instabube, etc. And ditch anything work related at least an hour before bed.

    3. Re:Not a sham, just not quite there. by pushing-robot · · Score: 2

      F.lux has a 'Darkroom' mode that does exactly that.

      (Note: if you're using the Windows version, you'll have to enable 'Expand Color Range' first.)

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  4. It is good for some users by Required+Snark · · Score: 3, Informative
    I have a friend who has to use light therapy every day. She can't view any screen for an hour or so before she goes to sleep. When she gets up in the morning she uses a blue enhanced light. She also has a lamp with a therapeutic spectrum at work. If she doesn't take these precautions then she has sleep problems and that causes migraine headaches. This is a real big deal for her.

    I can easily see how this could be of use to some users. These problems are idiosyncratic, so it varies between individuals. Making a blanket statement that it of no use is basically willful ignorance. It makes a quick headline, and helps no one in the long run.

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  5. It is eye strain... by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Contrast ratios are too high when reading in bed. Warmer light is perceived as less bright, reducing apparent contrast.

    I am happy they have it now, rather than making white backgrounds gray as an alternate.

  6. seems to help me by epine · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm pretty sure redshift (which I'm running under PC-BSD) assists in managing my sleep disorder. I have three 24" displays. It's a lot of light. The last time redshift was inadvertently disabled, at some point in my evening work session I looked at the clock and went "holy shit, it's past midnight!" This does not comply with my sleep program.

    My disorder is N24. After many years of personal study, I have fairly high confidence that while it is supposed to help, blue light in the morning influences me very little, if at all (I have a professional treatment box). Blue light at bedtime does, however, seem to make things worse.

    What did cure my disorder was 0.75 milligrams of sustained-release melatonin roughly six hours before bedtime.

    Before I tried SR melatonin, over several years of experimenting with non-SR melatonin I only ever managed to reduce my 25.5 hour circadian day to 24.25 hours. Drifting 15 minutes a day doesn't sound like much, but it's substantially less desirable than the full cure.

    Apparently many people don't get groggy after taking melatonin mid-day. It happens to hit me pretty hard.

    Recently I read a paper about how melatonin increases circulation to the hands and feet without increasing core metabolism, with the net effect that core body temperature declines (apparently, enhanced vascularization of the nail beds makes them efficient radiators). Since I started wearing warmer clothing after my daily melatonin dose, my early evening grogginess has declined by about 2/3rds. It doesn't hurt either to throw in some "orthostatic challenge". This was how the stuffy research paper described "standing up and walking around".

    Given how blue light works, there's not much point shielding yourself from one source if you end up getting exposed to another source. The reading lamp in my bedroom is a yellow bug lamp. Added bonus: it's extremely slow to warm up, so it's a great lamp to turn on for a few seconds in the middle of the night, if my back pain treatment arsenal rolls out of reach under the bed.

    1. Re:seems to help me by Razed+By+TV · · Score: 2

      An interesting thing to note about melatonin is that it has a phase response curve. Its effect on sleep depends on where you are in your circadian rhythm.

  7. Physics Dad Joke by dbIII · · Score: 2

    So does that mean that Red Shift is going away?

  8. Re:Drop in the bucket by Jeremi · · Score: 2

    So many other sources of blue light, it won't help unless you're a teenager with your nose glued to the damn thing.

    It's intended for use at night, e.g. for those who tend to read their iWhatever while in bed. In that case it will likely be the only source of light in the room.

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