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India Aims To Become 100% Electric Vehicle Nation By 2030 (ndtv.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report on NDTV: The Indian government is working on a scheme to provide electric cars on zero down payment for which people can pay out of their savings on expensive fossil fuels, for becoming 100% electric vehicle nation by 2030. "India can become the first country of its size which will run 100 per cent of electric vehicles. We are trying to make this program self-financing," said Piyush Goyal, Power Minister. That's forward thinking. However, it's not clear whether the Indian government is also committing to 100% renewable energy -- because if the electricity comes from coal, it might not help with curtailing the pollution level.
"We know electric vehicles cost much and many people are poor, but we will pass laws to make them be rich"
Coal power might not be much cleaner than internal combustion engines in the long run (though possibly more efficient due to economies of scale), but it's easier N faster to replace a power plant as better generation technologies become available or economically feasible than to replace everyone's car. Once the cars are electric, they automatically benefit from any changes in how the electricity is made without any action or investment by the end user.
How about 100% indoor plumbing first?
Toilets? Starvation?
Worse. Government. Ever.
North Korea has a higher GDP per capita!
Don't they have drivers of small motorcycle-like taxis in India that can't even afford the taxi they're driving? How the heck are those going to all be converted to electric? There must me tens of thousands of them.
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How much "new" electricity is coming from coal? The coal is being burned anyway, with or without electric cars. It seems to me that the conversion will make a big difference, at least on the street level.
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Once the cars are electric, they automatically benefit from any changes in how the electricity is made without any action or investment by the end user.
Yes. I totally agree.
Compare this with the logistics complexities to introduce new types of fuels (either deploying biofuel alternative, or something more fundamentally different like hydrogen).
Deployment of electric car make subsequently moving to greener power plant easier than moving to greener fuels.
And that's neglecting even slight advantages of fossil power-plant over cars:
Power plants only need to be efficient, they don't need to compromise on size and weight to be put inside a travelling car, unlike an internal combustion engine.
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"India can become the first country of its size which will run 100 per cent of electric vehicles. We are trying to make this program self-financing,"
They've got a LOT of electrical infrastructure to fix before this is anything more than a pipe dream. Electric outages in India aren't terribly rare in large parts of the country as of the last time I checked. Not to mention the challenges of installing all the charging infrastructure.
those people cant afford cars so fuck em
That's not forward thinking, that is naïve. Replacing all cars by electric ones just means the energy is produced elsewhere. Like in coal powerplants. It just moves the exhaust elsewhere. The energy then needs to be transported (huge in comparison with regular household connections), then stored in batteries. Those batteries are not exactly clean to produce or recycle.
Don't get me wrong, there's a place for electric cars, but tossing fossil fuel lock stock and barrel is incredibly expensive and frankly just naïve.
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Isn't it easier to scrub the nastier stuff from coal plants than it is to make the every shitty old engine isn't emitting? Sure CO2 emissions might be a wash, but I'm talking SOx and NOx and whatever else which are currently causing major air quality issues in the cities. It's also easier to switch those coal plants over to something cleaner like oil or gas, which is what China has been doing, in addition to aiming to the future and solar/wind.
But let's not forget current battery production methods being quite toxic...
As long as existing tech is cheaper that electric India will not be 100% electric. So the thought is unrealistic at best.
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... or so says their energy minister.
Of course, their original plans for massive solar power plant got skuttled because the US threw a snit-fit in the WTO over India's "source in India first" plan.
So yeah, as long as the US can gouge India on parts, suppressing development of local industry, they can have all the solar power we can sell them...
At least a future that doesn't involve mesothelioma.
You are welcome on my lawn.
They worked out a big discount on LEDs, which should help them too.
How about 100% indoor plumbing first?
Toilets? Starvation?
Worse. Government. Ever.
North Korea has a higher GDP per capita!
False.
(India is 168th, Best Korea is 196th.)
GDP doesn't stand for "Gross Domestic Product" in this context.
It stands for "God Damn Plumbing".
Anyone who makes these types of 100% - anything goals is not serious. Just as an example, electric trucks don't deliver food to stores.
Tata, India's largest car maker, is going in for electric vehicles. http://m.carandbike.com/news/t...
First Solar's CEO was quoted last year saying they will be below $1/watt fully installed by next year.
There is progress on electric trucks. http://insideevs.com/tevva-mot...
I was walking down the road the other day and there was this Indian in a Tesla, stopped at a red light.
Damn thing sounded like a misfiring diesel. Then I realised he was talking on his mobile.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
For the sake of argument, let's agree they're a fad.
So... What do you propose take the place of combustion-driven vehicles?
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Facilitating transportation is not a basic service?
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Or not.
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I helped commission a new building for a JV. The building work was still ongoing when I arrived and the contractor needed electricity to run his drill. Before I arrived he had sent "the boy" up a nearby power pole to wrap wires onto the distribution cables. I was just about to freak out at the recklessness when I saw the drill turning at about 20RPM. There can't have been much more than 12v available.
I was told that the farmers get free electricity so they use it all for pumping water and there's little to none left at the end of the line. Of course, I suppose the farmers might one day switch the pump off and someone will get fried !
Solar will help India a lot, but without a local grid free of farmers all the electricity will go straight to pumping water not to charging cars
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because if the electricity comes from coal, it might not help with curtailing the pollution level.
A coal plant runs at something like 42% efficiency.
An ICE might be around 20%, half as efficient as a power plant.
The whole chain of transmission, charging, battery and electric engine is still around 90% if not more efficiency.
On top of that you have regenerating braking in electric vehicles.
Then regarding air pollution: coal plants can be surprisingly clean, as german plants are e.g.
On the other hand gasoline and diesel cars are very polluting on the first miles while the engine is warming up. Or produce stuff like NOx leading to Ozone and small dust particles which is a pain for your lungs.
On top of that: charging cars can be distributed over day time, that means the "power plants" are not necessarily providing power for all cars at the same time. However during rush hours combustion engines in cars produce the pollution "all at the same time".
Finally: with a smart grid you can use the car batteries to smooth excess power production, by loading them when power plants produce to much power and can not power down quickly. (Instead of letting go the extra power to waste, and have the "pollution" for nothing car batteries can charge from it).
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India electric cars pollute CO2 at 20 mpg equivelant. I guess it would be good for particulates at street level, but electrics pollute greenhouse gasses 2-2.5x more than fuel efficient diesels or 2.5-3x more than hybrids. If they get off coal by 2030 it would be good, a terrible mistake otherwise.
If the pollution is coming out of the top of great big stacks (preferably after going through scrubbers) instead of on crowded streets where people are breathing then means bringing particulate pollution from vehicles down to levels that are not a worry.
Carbon dioxide is not relevant to such an aim and would have to be solved in a different way.
Most cars on the roads in India in 2030 will probably be cars that have already been built today. That's only 14 years from now. Why would everyone in a poor country junk their car within 14 years? Heck, my car is 18 years old and runs great.
Completely changing the nature of cars on the road is a generational, or even multi-generational project.
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If India wants to get rid of pollution, maybe they should start first with their sewage problem.
stopping imports of cars and oil, rather than about saving the world. As to their electricity, guaranteed to come from coal. The good news though, is that they run pollution controls, unlike China.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
idiots like that love to push H2, which 95% is created from Nat Gas and is actually the lowest efficiency of all vehicles. That is why that person posted as AC.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
So true about the coal-powered electric plants. However, utility-scale electric transmission is a "standard interface" that can allow both consumption and production to be moved to efficient and clean alternatives asynchronously and simultaneously. So with electric cars around, it would be far easier to move both fixed and mobile consumption to renewables than it would be otherwise.