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Researchers Prove Shakespeare's Skull Probably Isn't In His Grave (washingtonpost.com)

An anonymous reader writes: 400 years after Shakespeare's interment in Stratford-upon-Avon, archaeological researchers scanned his grave with a ground-penetrating radar to confirm a legend that his skull was stolen by grave robbers. Under cover of night, three men crept toward the Holy Trinity Church with dimmed lanterns and an assortment of tools, according to an "anonymous author, who heard it from a guy, who heard it from his uncle Frank, who claimed to be the grave robber himself." The Washington Post reports this story, published in 1879 but believed to have occurred in 1794, now draws more credibility from the radar scan. Ironically, the grave robbers was said to have been inspired by a British parliament member and phrenologist who'd promised 300 guineas for a chance to examine Shakespeare's skull, but who then reneged after learning it had been stolen from Shakespeare's grave.

98 comments

  1. found it by bugs2squash · · Score: 4, Funny

    it's on ebay

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    1. Re:found it by antdude · · Score: 1

      Prove it. URL please.

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  2. Ultimate irony by Nidi62 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Most likely it ended up in some theater's prop house and has been used in stagings of Hamlet

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    1. Re:Ultimate irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ah the alanis morisette definition of irony

    2. Re:Ultimate irony by KGIII · · Score: 5, Informative

      Now that would be amusing. I do find it baffling. They *proved* that it *probably* isn't in his grave. So, in other words, they didn't really prove anything. *sighs*

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    3. Re:Ultimate irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most likely it ended up in some theater's prop house and has been used in stagings of Hamlet

      Yes the only irony in this story (assuming this happened so...no confirmed irony yet).

    4. Re:Ultimate irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thus the infinitive to hamlet. Shakespreare was obviously hamleted.

    5. Re:Ultimate irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wage gap proves that academics don't have to prove anything to prove anything.

    6. Re:Ultimate irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reminds me of Probably Approximately Correct (or PAC) learning...

    7. Re:Ultimate irony by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Now that would be amusing. I do find it baffling. They *proved* that it *probably* isn't in his grave. So, in other words, they didn't really prove anything. *sighs*

      I know, I winced when I saw this headline.

      "50% of the time it works every time!"

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    8. Re:Ultimate irony by KGIII · · Score: 1

      "Exactly the same, only completely different."

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  3. Re: This is the future... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have to respect for death. No respect for death.

  4. Re: This is the future... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They want all of us to die in unmarked graves.

  5. Re: This is the future... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My father always said since I was the oldest I'd have to look after everyone the pukianz are preventing that.

  6. Re: This is the future... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They found me after I thought I was dead. The pukian that saved me was penalized for helping me.

  7. Re: This is the future... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who do you serve and who do you trust?

  8. Re: This is the future... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their kind always has trouble with the rest if us.

  9. ...prove...probably... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Methinks at least one of those words doesn't meanest what thou thinkest it does.

  10. Re: This is the future... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gold with red eyes is how their kind appears.

  11. What? by Br00se · · Score: 3, Informative

    Prove and probably aren't two words I like to see used together. I guess to a statistician or others who divine the future from tea leaves or entrails it is acceptable.

    1. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But but but... if an anonymous author, who heard it from a guy, who heard it from his uncle Frank, who claimed to be the grave robber himself, then that means now we have proof!

      Now hurry up and give me the next headline and tell me how to feel because this brain cell is dying.

    2. Re:What? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Ah good. I'm not the only one to have thought that. Sadly, there are people who think they're the same thing. At risk of waxing philosophical and off-topic, I'd say that this is a problem either in science itself or in science journalism and teaching.

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    3. Re:What? by fleabay · · Score: 1

      I'm no statistician, but I could probably prove that it is indeed acceptable, depending on the construct.

    4. Re: What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is through the belief of others that we seek, and hopefully find, the truth; people tend to ignore truth when it seems implausible.

    5. Re:What? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Reality is determined by consensus, not evidence of fact.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    6. Re: What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen. Social media shall guide us to the reality the majority seeks.

    7. Re:What? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      One of us is fortunate that I can't come through this monitor to get to you. Rather than appeal to my own ego, I'll say it's me that is fortunate. But, in my defense (or is that offense?), I'd try *really* hard to kick your ass for that. ;-)

      Seriously, the 'net needs a "slap poster" button. A big ol' mechanical arm, with an oversized cartoon shaped hand attached, comes out and whacks 'em across the jaw. And only I should get access to the button, of course.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    8. Re:What? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, you disagree with my assessment?

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    9. Re:What? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      No. And that's the problem. *sighs* Sadly, you're right - but you SHOULDN'T be.

      Reality shouldn't give two shits what we think about it. Unfortunately, people will consider reality whatever they believe it to be. People are stupid.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    10. Re:What? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      People are stupid.

      Nah, just political.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    11. Re:What? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      As if there's a difference... If people weren't stupid then they'd... *sighs* Sometimes I hate this planet for the people it has on it.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    12. Re:What? by antdude · · Score: 1

      You probably should prove it. ;)

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    13. Re:What? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      It's just a phase. I have to assume that our lifespans are too short to comprehend the slow pace of evolution.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    14. Re:What? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Well, to be fair, we suck at understanding lots of things - such as large numbers. You can't, well probably can't, picture the difference between 18,953,535,535,353 and 18,953,535,535,354 - and neither can I. Mostly, humans just suck. I'm glad I'm not a human.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    15. Re:What? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Depressingly large numbers of people dress up their stupidity and claim it's them being political.

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      Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
    16. Re:What? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Large numbers of people dress up their malice and claim stupidity. The only really stupid people are the ones that are no good at it.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    17. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you prove there's a greater than 50% chance that the skull isn't in the grave? That sounds like a good standard of evidence.

  12. Re: This is the future... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Republicans have abandoned technology.

  13. Re: This is the future... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They prefer peanut butter to technology.

  14. This! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is exactly the reason I;m voting for Trump

  15. Re: This is the future... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I visited a Reoublican town once. They didn't accept USD. They only accepted gold.

  16. Re: This is the future... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And die alone. That is why they teach females to never talk to males they're not related to.

  17. Re: This is the future... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This. Republicans love peanut butter.

  18. Re: This is the future... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because fear is ingrained in our DNA. Republicans can't get past that.

  19. Re: This is the future... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And thier kind would never do anything that doesn't harm us.

  20. "Researchers" by pipingguy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "Proved" vs. "probably". What is this, climate science?

    1. Re: "Researchers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which was voted on by the scientists so that is closed.

    2. Re: "Researchers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. That issue is closed. Any more tease arch into it is antiscience.

    3. Re: "Researchers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. That is settled science.

    4. Re: "Researchers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Reoublicans want more data which is just ignorant.

    5. Re: "Researchers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be clear, they want more raw data. Unadjusted, raw data can be misleading which is why it hasn't been released.

    6. Re: "Researchers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The raw data shows a cooling trend so it shouldn't be released.

    7. Re: "Researchers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And climate change is killing us all.

    8. Re: "Researchers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be clear, they want more raw data. Unadjusted, raw data can be misleading which is why it hasn't been released.

      I just don't understand anyone that isn't concerned by that fact. How about releasing the raw data and letting us make up our own minds instead of just saying the "science is settled" or that the raw data is misleading?

    9. Re: "Researchers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The raw data is misleading since it doesn't show an increase in temperature. It shouldn't be real eased for that reason. ,

    10. Re: "Researchers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's misleading so it should never be released.

    11. Re: "Researchers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. The raw data should never be released.

    12. Re: "Researchers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where's the data?

      Typically what happens is skeptics/doubters/deniers will say, "You're only showing us your processed data. Why don't you release the raw data?"

      Then the climatologists say, "It's in the paper. We said which data we used, and where we got it. You can get it too."

      Then the skeptics/doubters/deniers cry, "Why won't you just GIVE it to us! Why are you withholding the raw data??"

  21. Re: This is the future... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The smart people are riding out the conflict in a safe place.

  22. Re: This is the future... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they come with guns, they will leave in boxes. Just kidding, but the is what should happen.

  23. Re: This is the future... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The republicans have over a million negroids as hostages. We must respect that.

  24. Re: This is the future... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I sometimes wonder what life would be like without their kind.

  25. Re: This is the future... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which is why we need to take hostages.

  26. Prove ... Probably by coldmist · · Score: 2

    When words don't mean anything any more, 1+1 = 3 and Communism = Capitalism (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BadFTesAPzY)

    Whatever feels good, you can't be wrong.

    What is going on with modern education???

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    Don't steal. The government hates competition.
    1. Re:Prove ... Probably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is going on with modern education???

      It has been proven that is is probably of great quality.

    2. Re:Prove ... Probably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're implying that the president was saying the two were equivalent, you obviously haven't had an education.

  27. Re: This is the future... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We can damage them so their threats aren't real.

  28. Imperious Caesar... by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

    Imperious Caesar, dead and turned to clay,
    might stop a hole to keep the wind away.

  29. That is the question by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    To have a head or not have a head

  30. The Ring... by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

    The account describes a ring with the initials "H.S." found in the tomb with Shakespeare. I wonder if it had something to do with his son, Hamnet Shakespeare.

    1. Re: The Ring... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aka Ham Sandwich.

  31. Just dig it up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a corpse. If you want to check, just get the necessary permits and dig it up. Who cares?

    While you're at it, grind up his femur and sequence his genome. It's just a skeleton at this point. Who cares? Why would grave-sampling (not "robbing") for scientific purposes be a crime?

  32. Wat? by paiute · · Score: 2

    who'd promised 300 guineas for a chance to examine Shakespeare's skull, but who then reneged after learning it had been stolen from Shakespeare's grave

    How did he expect to get the chance to examine it exactly?

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    1. Re:Wat? by wbr1 · · Score: 1

      Maybe family exhuming the body legally for the reward?

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  33. Research shows by EdwardFurlong · · Score: 1

    There is a Nazi gold train buried... color me skeptical...

    1. Re:Research shows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The train seems to be real, though the gold claim comes from the local tourism department and not surprisingly the amount of tourists in the area has exploded due to the claim of a gold train. However the people who have seen the images from the earth radar claims it to be an armored train and claims nothing of the contents of the train. They also claim the tunnel has collapsed, which try were actually designed to do. Records and non-collapsed tunnels in the area reveal they were built around a support structure, which could easily be blown away in case of enemy attack.

      The most likely scenario actually seems to be that the Germans knew they lost and managed to burry the train to prevent it from being conquered and used by the red army. The red army used a lot of those, but most used Russian railroad gauge. The Germans really didn't want them to capture one using German gauge, hence the ability to drive into Germany itself and attack everywhere.

      The contents of the train could be anything, though my guess would be weapons, ammo and supplies. Nothing also scores high on my list. The train itself is an interesting find itself. Most armored trains are scrapped, meaning finding a complete one with every single car still together would be a historical gem. For those who don't know what an armored train is, it is essentially a battleship on land. The armor is too thick/heavy for road based vehicles and it's loaded with cannons, both against land and air. They fell out of use not because they did poorly in battle, but because just one bomb would render the railroad track useless. This mean with the introduction of mass produced bombers, the armored trains had a hasty habit of getting stuck. They also suffered from USSR and Germany not using the same gauge (distance between the rails), which meant they were used more for defense than attack.

  34. Looking for the wrong head by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Edward de Vere was Shakes a spear

    1. Re:Looking for the wrong head by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      Dang, I missed that presentation. I had an aunt in Connecticut who was an amateur DeVere supporter.

  35. That word... by dmomo · · Score: 1

    I do not think it means what you think it means. "prove that probably"?

  36. Makes as much sense as anything else "Shakespeare" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who was Shakespeare? Well, he didn't want the world to know. And that's why you don't know. You think you do, but you probably don't. And he wanted it that way.

    So... Shakespeare it is.

    But this random guy who was hardly even literate enough to sign his name on forms to sue people he loan-sharked money to while illegally hoarding grain in a time of famine... No freakin way THAT guy was the author who wrote "...but while the grass grows..." I mean, come on. It's laughable.

  37. Question by liqu1d · · Score: 1

    Who would "claim" to be a grave robber? It's hardly a profession you'd lie about to look good.

  38. comment subjects are dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Proof Futurama shall be,
    for not can you see?!

  39. Prove probably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well I gots the ultimate answer to everything right here, maybe.

  40. Obligatory quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Alas this is not poor Yorik"

  41. Alas, poor Willy... by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    ...I knew him, Horatio: a fellow of infinite jest.

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    I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
    1. Re:Alas, poor Willy... by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.

      Werner Heisenberg and Erwin Schrodinger were driving in a car, when they were pulled over by a cop.

      Cop: Do you know how fast you were going?
      Heisenberg: No, but I know exactly where I am.

      Cop got suspicious and searched the car.

      Cop: Do you know you have a dead cat in your trunk?
      Schrodinger: We do now, you jerk!

  42. Doh! by Archtech · · Score: 2

    "Ironically, the grave robbers was said to have been inspired by a British parliament member and phrenologist who'd promised 300 guineas for a chance to examine Shakespeare's skull, but who then reneged after learning it had been stolen from Shakespeare's grave".

    Incidentally proving that the intelligence of politicians has not changed much in 200 years. Where did he expect Shakespeare's skull to be found - in the Taj Mahal?

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    I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
  43. Re: This is the future... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We Republicans do not simply accept gold. That gold must come from dental fillings forcibly extracted from the teeth of the living.

  44. it was not stolen. It was lent. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    i gather there is some scene in some village drama the hero also called Village, goes on long soliloqui with a skull as a prop. One day the assistant art director forgot to bring it. So Mr Shakespere lent his own skull.

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  45. Proof vs evidence by bagofbeans · · Score: 1

    "Proof" is so often regarded as synonomous to "evidence". S'not.

  46. A million monkeys by kheldan · · Score: 1

    I know.. Maybe if we set a million monkeys down in front of a million typewriters, eventually they'll come up with the location of Shakespeares' skull!

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    Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
  47. Shakespeare's epitaph by Opyros · · Score: 1
    Shakespeare's epitaph reads:

    Good friend for Jesus sake forbeare,
    To dig the dust enclosed here.
    Blessed be the man that spares these stones,
    And cursed be he that moves my bones.

    A shame that it wasn't respected.

  48. What the *$^%@ by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    "Researchers Prove Shakespeare's Skull Probably Isn't In His Grave"

    WTF? How do you "prove" something "probably isn't"?

    English, motherfucker, DO YOU SPEAK IT?

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  49. Hamlet is auto-biographical. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The pseudonymous works signed as William Shakespeare were written by Edward de Vere, the 17th Earl of Oxford. The commoner poacher William Shaxper has ever been to Italy, which makes him an impossible author.

  50. Two words that don't belong in the same sentence.. by Doghouse13 · · Score: 1

    ..."prove" and "probably".