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33,000 Sign Online Petition Promoting Guns At Republican Convention (cnet.com)
An anonymous reader writes: "An online petition on Change.org claims that constitutional rights are being denied to those who want to bring a gun to the fight for the Republican Party's future," reports CNET. "Though Ohio is an open carry state, which allows for the open carry of guns, the hosting venue — the Quicken Loans Arena — strictly forbids the carry of firearms on their premises." Citing a quote from the National Rifle Association that gun-free zones are "the worst and most dangerous of all lies," the petition has already attracted more than 33,000 signatures, though CNET reports that the whole petition is a satire they're attributing to the Hyperationalist blog. The petition appears to have attracted its last 8,000 signatures within the last 18 hours, shortly after its URL appeared on a web site for young conservatives.
Bad, bad, idea. And I say that as a gun owner. Horrible idea. Especially given the way Trump supporters have been riled up he past few months, if the convention finds any way to deny him the nomination we might find ourselves in a new Beer Hall Putsch. At the very least, it's asking for someone to get killed. Even taking away the current animosity within the GOP, a lot of people bringing firearms to a large public gathering is a very bad idea in general.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
So you believe that when I visited the Supreme Court in Washington, DC, and they told me that I couldn't bring guns into the visitors' gallery, they were violating the Constitution?
I wonder what would happen if they do get it pushed enough that they are allowed to bring their guns in.
Would there be more iron there than a foundry?
Let's say there were enough of these people afraid to be without a gun there, that we'll just say there were a lot of them. I don't know how large the crowd is expected to be, but let's say 15% of it is armed.
What do you think would happen if in the midsts of all this, somebody were to yell "GUN!" ?
I'm betting at least one or two yahoos would pull theirs. Then someone else would see them with their gun out, and possibly pull theirs and shoot. Then the lead infestation would probably occur with several people shooting in confused conditions crowded with people. Since in real world shootout conditions, even cops that have significant training for this kind of thing tend to miss a LOT, I'm betting just about the only ones not hit would be the shooters.
I really wonder how they'd respond to that.
What do you think would happen if in the midsts of all this, somebody were to yell "GUN!" ?
It would probably be a lot like what happened to the guy in a Florida McDonalds that yelled "Gun!" when someone carrying concealed accidentally pulled his tee-shirt up to get his wallet out, revealing it. The clerk just stared with a blank look, like "So what?" The customer offered to show his concealed carry permit. The manager came out and said, "We don't have a problem with people legally carrying in our establishment." The guy kept yelling "Gun!" and eventually the police were called. After determining that the guy screaming "Gun!" wasn't just attempting to create a public nuisance but was actually having a hopolophobic reaction, he was detained and checked into a mental health facility for observation.
The story was related by the McDonald's customer with the CCW on a Youtube video (posted on /k/) and is most certainly still out there.
Have gnu, will travel.
This is one of those things that, I think, bothers citizens both for and against gun-control is the blatant hypocrisy.
According to some politicians, a person should be able to carry a gun anywhere. But what if I want to carry a gun into your office? "Oh, we have rules against that." But what if someone wants to carry a gun into my office? "Well, you have to let them do that. Second amendment and all..."
So why is your office different from my office? "Well, you see, sometimes people get emotional about things." And they don't in my office? "Well, maybe they do, but second amendment. You just have to suck it up. Maybe you should go buy a gun for self-defense." Why can't you do that as well?
In the end, it boils down to, "Well, some of us are more deserving of safety than others."
No, they just call Hillary a "founding member of ISIS":
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/24/...
And that, my friend, is someone who ran for the Republican nomination for president not very long ago.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Not everyone. Just the bad guys. (Michael Garabaldi)
B5 quote aside, I agree with you. In the movies, the "bad guys" commit a crime, then the "good guys" get revenge, and then the movie ends. In real life, everyone thinks they are the good guys, everyone tries to get revenge, and pretty soon you get blood feuds lasting generations.
But wow, I really want the Republican presidential candidates to eat their own dogfood and to allow guns for all attendees. Ohio has a "stand your ground" law, so as long as you can claim that you felt threatened you have a good chance of getting away with murder!
Federalist papers also proposed:
1) Mandatory military training.
2) Standardized weapons and ammunition distributed by the state governments.
3) Conscription.
That's the meaning of "well regulated militia" during the days of Jefferson. The Second Amendment was clearly designed as a way to create an army (just look at the Third Amendment!), not establish rights to have guns as personal weapons for self-defense or hunting.
I wonder what gave them the idea! Oh right, the exact same people on the Left calling them Hitler. I remember when that started, and people took it utterly seriously and Godwin's Law or reductio ad Hitlerum were not mentioned ONCE.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!