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DARPA's Latest Grand Challenge Takes On The Radio Spectrum (gizmag.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Gizmag: One of the most hotly contested bits of real estate today is one you can't see. As we move into an increasingly wireless-connected world, staking out a piece of the crowded electromagnetic spectrum becomes more important. DARPA is hoping to help solve this issue with its latest Grand Challenge, which calls for the use of machine-learning technologies to enable devices to share bandwidth. The Spectrum Collaboration Challenge (SC2) is based on the idea that wireless devices would work better if they cooperated with one another rather than fought for bandwidth. Since not all devices are active at all times, the agency says, it should be possible through the use of artificial intelligence machine-learning algorithms to allow them to figure out how to share the spectrum with a minimum of conflict. DARPA announced the competition in front of 8000 engineers on Wednesday at the International Wireless Communications Expo (IWCE) in Las Vegas. SC2 will run from 2017 through 2020 with teams competing to create radios that can collaborate most effectively with other radios. The competition will end with a live event and the prize is $2 million.

64 comments

  1. Wireless gang warfare by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

    Perhaps the Tay-based devices can give preference to the wireless devices with blue LEDs.

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    Nullius in verba
  2. Re: Cooperation rather than fight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmm divine massage. Would probably fix my back..

  3. HOrse shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They give like a 1000%th percent of the spectrum which can be reasonably processed and sent across a reasonably long enough distance today away.

    The other 999%th percent they steal from the public.

  4. What spectrum? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We're out of spectrum. It's all being taken up by AM, FM, Sirius/XM, SETI, wifi, and CT scanners. There's no spectrum left.

    Hopefully they have a team of scientists working on ways to create, clone, or grow more spectrum.

    Someone call Jesus!

  5. Go for a two-for by alvinrod · · Score: 1

    Maybe you could combine this with their other project they recently announced and create a weaponized AI that does its best to subvert their desired outcome.

  6. Re:Cooperation rather than fight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our country is doomed if the socialism continues to befall this great nation UNITED UNDER GOD.

  7. Re:Cooperation rather than fight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GOD will punish you if you vote for sanders or hillary. He has cursed both of them.

  8. Re:Cooperation rather than fight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fire will rain on american soil if the democrats continue to rule.

  9. SPECTRUM by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    wasn't that the Evil on Man from UNCLE?

    1. Re:SPECTRUM by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

      wasn't that the Evil on Man from UNCLE?

      The evil group on Man from U.N.C.L.E. was T.H.R.U.S.H.(*)

      Perhaps you are thinking of S.P.E.C.T.R.E.(**), the evil group in the James Bond series?

      (Or was there a major character in the series I'm missing?)

      (*) Technological Hierarchy for the Removal of Undesirables and the Subjugation of Humanity.
      (**) SPecial Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion

    2. Re:SPECTRUM by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      SPECTRUM are the good guys in Captain Scarlett. They used the phrase "SIG" to indicate that "Spectrum is green"

         

  10. Re:Cooperation rather than fight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You will be absolved if you vote for trump. He will save this nation, and voting for him will save your soul. GOD is a GOD OF LOVE. He is loving and forgiving.

  11. Re:Cooperation rather than fight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    May Trump's greatness be praised.

  12. Re:Cooperation rather than fight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He build a tremendous company, very low debt. He could do it because GOD was merciful with him.

  13. Re:Cooperation rather than fight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump is like the mustard seed, his supporters are like the ever growing mustard.

  14. 10 pounds of shit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    802.11 already does this a little bit with it's "listen before talk" mode of operation. It works, but there is only so much it can do with so many competing devices. Maybe someone can make it more efficient, but any gains in efficiency will surely be lost when even more devices try to use the same finite spectrum.

    Some radios use GPS timing to make sure they all take turns, but that only works if all radios are pre-programmed to cooperate with each other in this manner. Even GPS timing across different manufacturers isn't compatible. I doubt we could ever get all radio manufacturers to agree upon and implement one common standard, so that idea is out.

    Wireless is a classic case of cramming 10 pounds of shit into a 5 pound bag. Improvements can be made on the margins, but eventually you're going to need a bigger bag to make any real progress.

    1. Re:10 pounds of shit... by plover · · Score: 3, Informative

      They could do what cellular radios do to increase sharing: cut transmit power until both radios agree the message is acceptably low but still reliably receivable. Then, when you need to increase the density of transmitters, you do so by distributing more access points. It also helps conserve transmit power, which is good for battery life.

      And if they don't think CSMA/CD is effective enough, once the density of collisions is too high, they could let the access points switch to a time slice mode. They could be either self clocking, or timed on a separate shared control frequency.

      --
      John
    2. Re:10 pounds of shit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cutting transmit power reduces the SNR which subsequently brings the modulation rate down. Voice data takes almost no bandwidth so it is largely unaffected, but regular data use would see significant reductions in throughput speeds.

    3. Re:10 pounds of shit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > And if they don't think CSMA/CD is effective enough, once the density of collisions is too high, they could let the access points switch to a time slice mode. They could be either self clocking, or timed on a separate shared control frequency.

      CSMA/CD is NOT used in wireless networks. Instead CSMA/CA is used. If you have to ask why, then you did not know what you were talking about in the first place :) I recommend a course in Communication Systems 101.

  15. The secret to radio bandwidth by currently_awake · · Score: 1

    The key technology we need to unlock massive amounts of radio spectrum is directional radio links. Then you can have thousands of devices talking on the same frequency at the same time in the same area, without any interference. It's like how you can have dozens of billboards along the highway, without drowning each other out. You just look at the signal source you want to hear and ignore the rest.

    1. Re:The secret to radio bandwidth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    2. Re:The secret to radio bandwidth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The key is not technology, but private property. Bandwith is leased from the state. It should be bought as private property. The holders of that property, to monetize their investment, will push this technology forward without the state cronyism or no bid contracts.

    3. Re:The secret to radio bandwidth by laughingskeptic · · Score: 1

      Billboards are many meters wide and operate at 545 THz. Its pretty easy to get purely directional signals when you have such extreme scale differences (18 million : 1 ) between the "antenna" (10m) and the frequency (550nm). Your statement "without any interference" falls apart pretty quickly in most radio applications where the antenna size is often a fraction of the wavelength. Check out the plots in this online EE text: http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/ele... .

  16. nice by tiketturindojogja · · Score: 1

    tiket pesawat dengan harga murah kilik tiket pesawat

  17. Use doppler shift by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use doppler shift of signals, the ones that have have a measurable shift are the ones moving away, so use their slot since they'll probably leave the area soon.

  18. So They Want A Free Protocol Spec. by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

    without having to pay for the research. I am getting the feeling lately that the government is slowly getting left out in the cold.

    1. Re:So They Want A Free Protocol Spec. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, they want to pay $2M to the people who do the best research.

      These "challenges" are very economically efficient for the offering group. They offer $X and typically the total amount of effort put into it is well over $X. Like if you have 10 groups each putting in $1M of R&D to earn $2M. Only one of them get the $2M but DARPA gets to choose from $10M worth of ideas so to speak.

    2. Re:So They Want A Free Protocol Spec. by zenlessyank · · Score: 0

      Well, to be more specific then, I meant the residual licensing from the protocol after it is fleshed out and established. Since this aims to be a long term solution the payoff in licensing would be enormous. And I am sure that the FCC will have no qualms making it all gel just right.

    3. Re:So They Want A Free Protocol Spec. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If the rules are anything like the last spectrum challenge ( http://archive.darpa.mil/spectrumchallenge/Rules.html ), then contestants own all of the IP they generated, including algorithms and no assignment is made to darpa or public domain. The idea isn't to force a spec out of it, it's to get a lot of big players thinking about spectral efficiency and how to work that into their products or research.

  19. Butthead was right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use doppler shift of signals, the ones that have have a measurable shift are the ones moving away, so use their slot since they'll probably leave the area soon.

    Your mauther's a slot.

  20. Might be an air traffic control issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not a machine learning issue. Software defined radios would probably open up most bandwidth all the time, if a central traffic control could coordinate the interactions. Another SINCGARS reference.

  21. They already have this figured out by strstr · · Score: 1

    They moved to directed energy so each device can share the same spectrum at the same time. DARPA invented the technology that allows it called phased arrays.
    DrRobertDuncan com

  22. KAOS by waynemcdougall · · Score: 1

    SPECTRUM? SPECTRE? THRUSH?

    Pthhhhh. Amateurs.

    We don't share bandwidth in KAOS (a Delaware Corporation).

    We don't share any-ting!

    So give me my lunch back, Starker!!

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    Recycle PCs and build a wireless community network www.hillsborough.org.nz
  23. like water rights but much worse by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 2

    Many areas use whoever had the first claim to the local water supply for a given area as the basis for who gets that water. Not what does the greatest good, not what makes the most economic sense, but merely the first to file. Then this right is locked in. The radio spectrum is similar however unlike water which is a local problem this causes problems for much of the globe. Think of the convenience of having most of the globe use 2.4GHz. Make a device once, use it anywhere. How grand. However things could be *much* better if more bandwidth was available globally. That's why I liken it to water rights - another archaic system but one that people more often understand. Here's a chart that shows how spectrum is allocated in the US for those who are curious: https://www.ntia.doc.gov/files...

    1. Re:like water rights but much worse by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      There's a simple means used to allocate spectrum:
      1. Government agencies get first claim.
      2. What's left is sold to the highest commercial bidder.
      3. The bits that no company wants are made available unlicensed, and the public are expected to be grateful that the government honors the ITU suggestions for ISM bands.

  24. At least they're thoughtful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right now they just jam everything with their radio beams.

    Are they intending to politely ask devices to get out of the way when they remote hack??

  25. That's great... for the USA by recharged95 · · Score: 2

    But the rest of the world and considering illegal frequencies being used around the US will make this problem harder than one thinks.

    So you come up with a great solution for 900Mhz, problem is you can't use it in the EU or Asia. Or how about 433? nope, more conflicts outside the US.

    Then there's the 1W vs 25mW (rest of the world) requirement....

    Not only is this a tech and regulation problem, it's a frequency management and standards nightmare.

    At least you can drive a DARPA challenge car or a biped robot in pretty much any country without conflicting tech (but conflicting regs).

    1. Re:That's great... for the USA by sociocapitalist · · Score: 3, Informative

      But the rest of the world and considering illegal frequencies being used around the US will make this problem harder than one thinks.

      So you come up with a great solution for 900Mhz, problem is you can't use it in the EU or Asia. Or how about 433? nope, more conflicts outside the US.

      Then there's the 1W vs 25mW (rest of the world) requirement....

      Not only is this a tech and regulation problem, it's a frequency management and standards nightmare.

      At least you can drive a DARPA challenge car or a biped robot in pretty much any country without conflicting tech (but conflicting regs).

      They're looking for a mechanism to share bandwidth intelligently. There is nothing specific to frequencies or power handling in how bandwidth might be shared so the result should be usable regardless of local variations on implementation.

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      blindly antisocialist = antisocial
  26. Thrilling Viewing by dohzer · · Score: 1

    I can't wait to watch this competition unfold live on YouTube!

  27. Re:Who is The Coon? by Megol · · Score: 1

    I think your computer was "hacked" by weev...

  28. The discourse on Slashdot lately Twitter (nt) by asjk · · Score: 1

    nt

  29. George Gilder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing new here. George Gilder was writing on this topic back in the mid-1990s. Bandwidth, he said, would become plentiful.

    http://www.wired.com/1993/04/gilder-4/

  30. Already done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I already have this technology but I'm not going to provide it for 2 million. It's worth at least a thousand times that amount.

  31. Moral Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wireless is a classic case of cramming 10 pounds of shit into a 5 pound bag. Improvements can be made on the margins, but eventually you're going to need a bigger bag to make any real progress.

    I've never seen that figure-of-speech before, so on my first read I expected it to end with "..but eventually you'll still have nothing but a load of shit."