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Mass Surveillance Silences Minority Opinions: Study
Reader sittingnut writes: According to a study by Elizabeth Stoycheff from Wayne State University -- which was also referred to in the Washington Post, "knowing one is subject to surveillance and accepting such surveillance as necessary, act as moderating agents in the relationship between one's perceived climate of opinion and willingness to voice opinions online." In other words, knowledge of government surveillance causes people to self-censor their dissenting opinions online. This study adds to the well-researched phenomenon known as "spiral of silence", of people suppressing unpopular opinions to fit in by explicitly examining how government surveillance affects self-censorship. Participants who claimed they don't break any laws and don't have anything to hide and tended to support mass surveillance as necessary for national security, were the most likely to silence their minority opinions.
So far mass surveillance had zero impact on silencing Anonymous Cowards.
No, I didn't read the article. But, One government's "surveillance" does not necessarily equate to another government's "surveillance". Additionally, what is the definition of "surveillance"? And what is the purpose , and what actions does it result in? These things vary throughout the world. It can be reasonably argued that governments need to be aware of what's going on with various groups within their societies.
If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
There will be no opinions. We will become Putin's Russia.
... err, nothing, never mind.
I thought we heard this "story" last month. The consensus seemed to be that it wasn't "government mass surveillance" that was causing people to self-censor, it was the prospect of being fired or failing to get a job because someone might be offended by something someone dropped on social media ten years ago.
So, the chilling effect is rebranded as racism?
I'll allow it.
The mass crushes beneath it everything that is different, everything that is excellent, individual, qualified and select. Anybody who is not like everybody, who does not think like everybody, runs the risk of being eliminated...
Published in 1929
It has always been to silence political dissent. The idea of mass surveillance was never to "Catch the bad guys" unless by "bad guys" you mean people who disagree with you politically.
Participants who claimed they don't break any laws and don't have anything to hide and tended to support mass surveillance as necessary for national security, were the most likely to silence their minority opinions.
So homeland defense not only includes the erosion of my rights, but also means you guys are ceding the political debate to the homeland's commies? Fuckers.
Most people don't want to end up on lists and hence avoid saying anything radical and contrary to mainstream beliefs. We already know that things as mundane as belonging to or associating oneself with a political group or movement get you interest from the FBI. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. What was done in the past to silence inconvenient voices is most likely being done today, too, and probably using even more sophisticated methods.
-SR
Then you are a boring person.
then it's cool for someone to videotape you naked and having sex? If you have nothing to hide why any concern about that?
The people who claim that they have nothing to hide apparently have more to hide.
If you know that "private" is accessible to the government and will be accessed and recorded, then you will shut up in private too. Since the opinions you express to others shape your real opinions this will twist your thinking on many subjects.
Really. MacOS fanbois are annoying. . . .
"All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression." - Thomas Jefferson's first inaugural address.
It's good that such dissent is quashed. We need to march goose step in the war against terror
Rather obviously, surveillance by the NSA, GCHQ and others does not serve to make anybody more secure, as it is now exceptionally obvious it does not help against terrorism or the other "Horsemen of the Infocalypse" at all. So why do it? Sure, one aspect will be the fundamental desire of any bureaucracy to increase its size and to absorb (i.e. waste) as many resources as possible. Look at the TSA for a text-book example of that happening. But that is not enough to explain what is going on.
I have by now come to the conclusion that these people have either completely lost their minds (unlikely) or that they know exactly what they want (likely) and that is the chilling effects that general surveillance causes: They want "troublemakers" to keep silent and self-censor and to not rock the boat. They want to be sure they have some dirt on anybody that may ever come into political power so they can prevent that if they do not like the ideas of that person. Unlike the publicly stated motivations for universal surveillance, _these_ goals are rational (if utterly despicable and evil) and achievable.
It used to be an all-seeing all knowing-god that served this function. People would "confess their sins" (i.e. do self-surveillance and report to their case-officer on themselves) and would be told what was acceptable to think and what was not. Now, even most religious people do not fall for that anymore and so a cabal of power-mongers has decided to implement a technical solution that replaces said god with technology. The mechanisms are a bit different, people now pay for being being spied and provide the hardware (e.g. cellphones) instead of doing it themselves manually. The direct feedback from the confessor has been replaced by general guidelines. The news are showing "bad people" being sent to prison and hint they are being tortured there, not so different from what the inquisition did, just adjusted to the information-age. And so on.
Universal surveillance is a direct, targeted and determined attack on free society. There really is no different purpose it could serve. Sure, it is carried out and furthered by a lot of "useful idiots" that do not understand what the actual goals are and why it is being done (and I expect quite a few of those would still go along if they knew), but those in control will know. It will be how we, as a still mostly free society, deal with this challenge that will determine how history remembers us.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
In a Perfect World, whenever anyone uttered the sickening phrase "If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide", they would forcibly stripped of all their clothing and stuffed inside a glass cube on the public commons until they honestly realized the errors in their 'thinking'.
A free society is impossible without true privacy.
The other part is corporate data retention and data mining.
Years ago, when young Google was still seen as a genuinely benevolent company and "social media" didn't exist, I was interviewed by a newspaper regarding a hot and highly publicized issue involving hacking and the newly-voted DMCA that I got involved in. I wasn't careful about what I said to that newspaper, and it got republished on the internet.
Soon after, I realized Google never forgot anything: for the following 10 years, each time I'd go to a job interview, that episode of my life - and the unfortunate statements I gave to the newspaper - would come up in the conversation. For a good 10 years, I had to explain myself, and explain that no, I wasn't a dangerous hacker, what really happened, and that, yes, I can be trusted with company secrets.
I quickly realized I had to shut my trap and hide my identity as much as I could online, if didn't want whatever I did or said to bite my ass in the future ever again.
Now, years later, Google has finally forgotten about me. If you know my name and you look it up, you can still find references to what happened 16 years ago. But thankfully, with the advent of social media and people who bear the same name as mine, it's buried in pages after pages of mindless drivel. So you have to know what you look for to find out what I said back then.
The lesson here is: Google turned me into a very paranoid person online, not government surveillance. In fact, I would go so far as to say that the government isn't the real threat here: it's rogue corporations who operate in the data mining sphere. At least the government is openly nefarious, and somewhat accountable. Google & Co aren't: they pose as friendly innovators, when in fact they're just out to make a buck on your back, regardless of how much they can ruin your life.
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
Maybe most peeps aren't as brave as they think they are. If you are afraid to say your mind because of your surroundings then you need to work on your own fear. I say whatever I feel like saying, and I do whatever I feel like doing, and I am not afraid to act and speak no matter where I am. Yea, I have been arrested for telling a cop to fuck off after he was harassing me because I don't look like a good ol boy. Went to court and judge threw it out. Even if he hadn't, I would have done my time , walked out and said the exact same thing if I was harassed again. Most peeps care if they get shot in the head, so they will act a certain way. I don't give a fuck. If I am doing what I want without hurting anyone and someone decides they don't like it and kills me, then I win. This country is full of wimps.
You have to way up the real costs of a action against it's benefits to be able to make judgements about whether something is worth it. With "Squelching discussion" as an inevitable side-effect mass surveillance is not a good thing, at most you can argue for necessary evil (for suspect values of necessary).
What part of
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. "
...does our current group of "leaders" not get? Once upon a time, we the people considered that right to be so important that we made it a foundation of our system of law and government. That it has now been eroded that certain groups are silenced by fear is cause for deep, deep shame for us as a society.
Don't you dare try to walk back this hatred with your word play.
Minority opinions matter.
Opinions of minorities matter, more!
255 invitation only selected subjects (there's vagueness about how they were selected) with 31 disqualified for not having social media accounts which leaves 224 respondents. Subjects had to be reminded that the NSA could be monitoring their responses to the survey questions which naturally affected whether they felt the need to be guared in expressing their opinions online. Generally, you get the same result when you remind people that commercial companies like ISP's, Google, ad trackers, etc. are collecting data on them.
People are no longer free to state their politically incorrect opinions in public, but they can make them known via anonymous ballot.
Even ACs are being logged, both by Slashdot (IP address) and by the NSA/GCHQ/Chinese etc.
Don't forget the GNAA! Defiantly logging. Always logging.
I have certainly felt affected by this. I always think twice before posting something inflammatory because I fear it could be used against me at some point in the future if things took a wrong turn politically (an increasing possibility these days).
The thought that minority voices are being silenced by surveillance is absurd; witness all of the protests around Ferguson, or Black Lives Matter protests everywhere. Never has the minority voice been louder or more strident.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
So NOW minorities are being self-censored too? Christ on a crutch, these SJWs just don't stop do they? I'm embarrassed for myself, my kids and my country when this shit continues to be vomited.
If America is such a PoS, then LEAVE. Cretins.
Study show fish gotta swim and birds gotta fly. OFFICIAL!
I thought you left?
Oh, for pity's sake, AlecStaar--can't you save your nonsense for a story where it's at least slightly relevant?
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
See subject: Right (Totally right on any & all levels concerned... pure fact, & truth. Nothing stops it or me. Irrepressible, irresistable, immovable objects that are unstoppable).
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Facts aren't opinions. Maybe that's why opinions aren't as solid or unstoppable. They're not concrete enough. He's makes a point. No stopping verifiable fact. Or apk posting it. Some here tried to stop him from telling it from what I' read.
Seems like the thing to do in big brother state is to not stand out.
So as the outliers stop talking, some folks closer to the median will become the new outliers.
Then they will quit and some others will become the outliers and the process will repeat until everybody is towing the line.
Hopefully, the problem with this theory is that some folks will just ignore the situation and continue to talk making it possible for other, more median folks to talk as well.
So mass surveillance is having a chilling effect on the climate?
Doesn't that mean that mass surveillance is beneficial to the earth so we should be doing more of it?
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"There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses." -- Ezekiel 23:20 (NIV)
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
The thing is, it doesn't really matter who they are unless some form of direct, personal retaliation is your goal. If they're being an anonymous asshole, they're still being an asshole, and internet-rhetoric-wise, you should treat them as one either way.
The down side of "real names" is multifold: People who are stalked. People who are refugees. People who have been unfairly placed in some category by a malfunctioning justice system. People who wish to stay clear of former lovers, spouses, parents, etc.
When you say "you must use your real name", these are people you are straight-up muzzling or placing in danger. And the benefit you get? At best, a toning down of rhetoric. Which does more good? Seeing to it that vulnerable people are less subject to actual threat, or our precious sensibilities being (slightly, sometimes) free of some level of assholery?
I know where I stand; and it isn't with the "real name" authoritarians.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
There are numerous people on the forums who promote violence, sedition, treason and revolution as well as race hatred and all kinds of horrors including personal threats. Go waste some time on the forums and you will see it for yourself. Maybe we already have too much freedom on the net. I know if I ran a cop shop I would certainly be very interested in people who promote hatred and violence. I'm a bit glad that big brother snoops a bit.
Alex, if you're going to pretend to be someone else, you really need to work on that "uses the same phrasing and even the same grammatical errors" thing.
Still butthurt that you can't crapflood here any more? Good.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
For those of you just joining us, I should probably mention that this is the same APK who tried to run me out of here a couple of years ago by posting 200+ responses to anything I posted.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Zontar you were caught with admitting you make sockpuppet fake accounts on slashdot to troll, downmod apk and mod yourself up with https://slashdot.org/comments....
You are right but still a long time ago I used to use my account here but now only post as Anonymous Coward. At least I make them work a little to figure out who I am and sometimes posting from other places I am a bit hidden from the all seeing eyes.
Land of the Free. Yea right.....
No, not arguing with you. Continuing the consideration of the issue is all. Sorry I didn't make that clear, but the subject disturbs me and that narrowed my focus a bit too far; the whole "real name" trope appears to me to be based upon selfishness, a marked lack of compassion (but I repeat myself) and general social malaise.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
You're the one pretending to be others with your sockpuppets you admit to making Zontar https://slashdot.org/comments....
Not getting drawn into your horseshit, AlexAndy. I'm not even going to follow that link, because it's guaranteed you're trying to use it to come perform some combination of omission, exaggeration, mischaracterisation, misrepresentation, and/or plain old lying.
Just like you've been doing for the last 15 years.
What a waste.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
No. See above.
Feel free to keep this thread alive all by your lonesome, but I won't be reading any further AC responses in it.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Zontar you're caught in the link posted and yet you accuse others of what you do (doing fake sockpuppet accounts here on slashdot)? You're a hypocrite and a moron! I'm not alexandy either stupid.
well, I am a Trump supporter, and I have a window clingy on my car rather than a Bumper Sticker because I want to be able to remove it when I go into work. IRL there are lots of ways you can be sanctioned.
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Dude, you have some serious multiple personality disorder.
"City hall" in German is "Rathaus" Kinda explains a few things......
Apk made you eat your words on "nobody gives a shit what you had to say" from you http://slashdot.org/comments.p... and there certainly is proof of THAT in black and white there in that link where you are outnumbered 100's to 1 against you. Lastly you're no psych pro and trolling off topic with illogical ad hominem attacks.