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20th Anniversary of Unabomber's Arrest (abc10.com)

theodp writes: Sunday marks the 20th anniversary of the arrest of Theodore Kaczynski, aka the Unabomber, at his cabin in rural Montana. Kaczynski, a brilliant mathematician turned recluse, spread destruction and death throughout the U.S by mailing bombs to his victims, most of whom worked at UNiversities or in the Airline industry -- hence the "UNAbomber" moniker -- from 1978 until his arrest in Lincoln, MT, on April 3, 1996. For years, the only clue to his identity was a single now-iconic sketch of a shadowy, hooded figure. The big break in the case came in 1995, when David Kaczynski recognized the ramblings of the Unabomber's 35,000-word anti-technology manifesto entitled Industrial Society and its Future, which was published in the Washington Post, as those of his older brother Theodore and tipped off the FBI. (Kaczynski warns of a world of intelligent machines where "the fate of the human race would be at the mercy of the machines.") Kaczynski, now 73, is currently serving a life sentence without parole at the so-called Supermax prison in Colorado. Kaczynski's listing in the Harvard alumni directory for the class of 1962 gives his occupation as 'prisoner' and cites "eight life sentences, issued by the United States District Court for the Eastern District of California, 1998" in the awards section.

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  1. Be sure to state the entire truth, please!!!! by sgt_doom · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That Kaczynski, while at Harvard, found himself to be the unwitting test subject of the CIA's MK ULTRA type, Prof. Murray. How this may have affected the child prodigy has never been examined --- but then NO so-called American reporter in the US of A has yet to identify the CIA stooge who overrode French airport security and ushered the underwear bomber aboard the Detroit inbound airliner that day?

    1. Re:Be sure to state the entire truth, please!!!! by 110010001000 · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Wasn't that the SAME GUY who planted the explosives in WTC7? Heard it on the Internet...

    2. Re:Be sure to state the entire truth, please!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's always sunny and warm, except when the imperialist west sends clouds and darkness and snow. But The Revolution's light never dims.

    3. Re:Be sure to state the entire truth, please!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How is the weather in st petersburg,,comrade?

      Only an ignorant bootlicker ( like you ) would jump to the conclusion that any possible funny business relative to the
      US government must automatically be a lie posted by some Russian person.

      The US government is well known to have participated in much evil and quite a few deliberate deceptions. Of course so
      have many other governments, but only an idiot would claim that the US government is somehow "less evil" than governments
      of other countries. The history of the war in Viet Nam is one example among many in which the US government lied to the American
      public and engaged in wholesale murder fighting a war which the US had no business even fighting.

    4. Re: Be sure to state the entire truth, please!!!! by johnsmithperson123 · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean Stalingrad? Or maybe Leningrad? Perhaps you have the wrong city. No, wait, it's always been St Putinsburg and rumors it was named St Petersburg, Stalingrad or Leningrad are completely false and forbidden. Signed, Big Brother.

    5. Re:Be sure to state the entire truth, please!!!! by dsmatthews9379 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Surprisingly the above claim has merit!

      Chase, Alston (2003). Harvard and the Unabomber: The Education of an American Terrorist. W. W. Norton & Company. pp. 18–19. ISBN 0393020029.

      Chase A (June 1, 2000). "Harvard and the Making of the Unabomber". The Atlantic Monthly. pp. 41–65.

      I personally know that similar things were going on at major universities in Australia as recently as 20 years ago (Hi Ken).

    6. Re:Be sure to state the entire truth, please!!!! by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Truly all governments are evil. I have to say I feel mine is a little less evil than most but I can feel the beast straining against the Constitution that restrains it's ravenous appetite for power. I fear that soon it may snap that brittle and strained chain and consume us all.

    7. Re:Be sure to state the entire truth, please!!!! by ArylAkamov · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Before people scream MUH TINFOIL HATTERS:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      http://www.radiolab.org/story/...

      (First story)

      It is pretty likely that he was a subject of MKUltra.

    8. Re:Be sure to state the entire truth, please!!!! by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Well that settles it. If it's on the internet it has to be true.

    9. Re:Be sure to state the entire truth, please!!!! by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      It's a well known story. Maybe not MKULTRA but it's definitely something that would screw up an underage student's head.

    10. Re: Be sure to state the entire truth, please!!!! by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's actually a big reason Trump has so much support. I don't really like Trump but I loathe so many of the people that rant against him. They make me want to vote for him out of spite. Kind of an enemy of my enemy thing. I figure if all those rotten mother fuckers hate him then maybe there is something good about him that I'm missing.

    11. Re: Be sure to state the entire truth, please!!!! by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I just follow the money. The only two that aren't bought and paid for are Bernie and Trump. I don't really like either of their positions on a lot of things. It's a sad election from any viewpoint. As I said, the only reason I like Trump at all is that people like Romney are so desperately attacking him.

    12. Re:Be sure to state the entire truth, please!!!! by Ropati · · Score: 1

      Listen to the RadioLab podcast:
      http://www.radiolab.org/story/91721-oops/

      In particular the first segment: "Be Careful What You Plan For".

      The Unibomber had his personality fried by the US government. If I had been tortured like that I am sure I would be just as asocial as Ted.

      The whole story has implications for all the other torture done by the US Goverment in the "War on Terrorism".

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    13. Re: Be sure to state the entire truth, please!!!! by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Well I know my enemy is my enemy, the other guy is at worst an enemy and he might not be. In other words, I'm not voting for anyone who is part of the system that is fucking me in the ass. Whether you like Trump or not doesn't matter to me but I'm not voting for any of the other bastards I know are out to fuck me. If you don't get that....well work on your math.

  2. The New Luddite Challenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    First let us postulate that the computer scientists succeed in developing intelligent machines that can do all things better than human beings can do them. In that case presumably all work will be done by vast, highly organized systems of machines and no human effort will be necessary. Either of two cases might occur. The machines might be permitted to make all of their own decisions without human oversight, or else human control over the machines might be retained.

    If the machines are permitted to make all their own decisions, we can’t make any conjectures as to the results, because it is impossible to guess how such machines might behave. We only point out that the fate of the human race would be at the mercy of the machines. It might be argued that the human race would never be foolish enough to hand over all the power to the machines. But we are suggesting neither that the human race would voluntarily turn power over to the machines nor that the machines would willfully seize power. What we do suggest is that the human race might easily permit itself to drift into a position of such dependence on the machines that it would have no practical choice but to accept all of the machines’ decisions. As society and the problems that face it become more and more complex and machines become more and more intelligent, people will let machines make more of their decisions for them, simply because machine-made decisions will bring better results than man-made ones. Eventually a stage may be reached at which the decisions necessary to keep the system running will be so complex that human beings will be incapable of making them intelligently. At that stage the machines will be in effective control. People won’t be able to just turn the machines off, because they will be so dependent on them that turning them off would amount to suicide.

    On the other hand it is possible that human control over the machines may be retained. In that case the average man may have control over certain private machines of his own, such as his car or his personal computer, but control over large systems of machines will be in the hands of a tiny elite – just as it is today, but with two differences. Due to improved techniques the elite will have greater control over the masses; and because human work will no longer be necessary the masses will be superfluous, a useless burden on the system. If the elite is ruthless they may simply decide to exterminate the mass of humanity. If they are humane they may use propaganda or other psychological or biological techniques to reduce the birth rate until the mass of humanity becomes extinct, leaving the world to the elite. Or, if the elite consists of soft-hearted liberals, they may decide to play the role of good shepherds to the rest of the human race. They will see to it that everyone’s physical needs are satisfied, that all children are raised under psychologically hygienic conditions, that everyone has a wholesome hobby to keep him busy, and that anyone who may become dissatisfied undergoes “treatment” to cure his “problem.” Of course, life will be so purposeless that people will have to be biologically or psychologically engineered either to remove their need for the power process or make them “sublimate” their drive for power into some harmless hobby. These engineered human beings may be happy in such a society, but they will most certainly not be free. They will have been reduced to the status of domestic animals.

    -Theodore Kaczynski

    1. Re:The New Luddite Challenge by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      First let us postulate that the computer scientists succeed in developing intelligent machines that can do all things better than human beings can do them. In that case presumably all work will be done by vast, highly organized systems of machines

      That is a foolish presumption. "Intelligent machines" will only do the the tasks where they have a comparative advantage. By definition, that is not "everything".

    2. Re:The New Luddite Challenge by joh · · Score: 1

      He missed one option (in theory, he fell to it in practice): Human idiots being in control over humans. This is the classical solution to all problems and it has proven to be a big problem. Machines, this we haven't really tried yet.

      We may prefer Artificial Intelligence over Natural Stupidity in the end.

    3. Re:The New Luddite Challenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But important things like "faster-than-light" stock market trading.

    4. Re:The New Luddite Challenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Intelligent machines" will only do the the tasks where they have a comparative advantage. By definition, that is not "everything".

      It doesn't have to be everything, you arrogant pretense at omniscience.

      Machines can put 90% of the human race out of work and that will have a huge impact on
      humanity.

    5. Re:The New Luddite Challenge by tomhath · · Score: 1

      It isn't "faster than light". But it has to be faster than the next guy to succeed. My own experience is that electronic trading is far better than the old way of letting human brokers skim off much bigger commissions for willing out a form.

    6. Re:The New Luddite Challenge by theodp · · Score: 2

      Bill Gates on dangers of artificial intelligence: "I don't understand why some people are not concerned"

      I think we should be very careful about artificial intelligence. If I were to guess like what our biggest existential threat is, it's probably that. So we need to be very careful with the artificial intelligence. Increasingly scientists think there should be some regulatory oversight maybe at the national and international level, just to make sure that we don't do something very foolish. With artificial intelligence we are summoning the demon. In all those stories where there's the guy with the pentagram and the holy water, it's like yeah he's sure he can control the demon. Didn't work out.
      --Elon Musk

      I am in the camp that is concerned about super intelligence. First the machines will do a lot of jobs for us and not be super intelligent. That should be positive if we manage it well. A few decades after that though the intelligence is strong enough to be a concern. I agree with Elon Musk and some others on this and don't understand why some people are not concerned.
      --Bill Gate

    7. Re:The New Luddite Challenge by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      My own experience is that electronic trading is far better than the old way of letting human brokers skim off much bigger commissions for willing out a form.

      http://www.motherjones.com/pol...

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    8. Re:The New Luddite Challenge by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2

      Why the Future Doesn't Need Us by Bill Joy (on the unabomber's list)

    9. Re:The New Luddite Challenge by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      Didn't he say it already when he said "machine-made decisions will bring better results than man-made ones"?

    10. Re:The New Luddite Challenge by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Machines can put 90% of the human race out of work ...

      Too late. That already happened during the mechanization of agriculture in the late 19th and early 20th century.

      ... and that will have a huge impact on humanity.

      Indeed. Average incomes doubled and doubled again as productivity soared.

    11. Re:The New Luddite Challenge by Bonobo_Unknown · · Score: 1

      You're not looking far enough ahead.

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    12. Re:The New Luddite Challenge by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      You are probably right for the long term.

      But for a decade or two it can be extremely painful and people did die homeless and of exposure as a result of the industrial revolution. While the people after them got jobs, they got no training and thus had no employment. Close to 10,000 of them in england revolted and were put down by the army.

      Likewise, rising productivity was a major factor in the decade long destruction of the lives of 25% of the population of u.s. citizens in the early 20th century.

      However, for the long term, the club of rome predicted the collapse of the economy and mass death starting in 2030 in the "limits to growth".

      And a lot of their other predictions were accurate or didn't go far enough.

      The book is hosted here:

      http://collections.dartmouth.e...

      The predictions updated thru 2010 are here:
      http://www.thwink.org/sustain/...

      Even if you don't believe in the club of rome and the limits to growth, a lot of wealthy and powerful people do believe and that effects you.

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  3. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A large percentage of /. posts parrot Kaczynski's manifesto (I've read it), so naturally they'd be interested in him.

  4. Re:In other news... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Sirhan Sirhan's and Charles Manson's arrest anniversaries are coming up.

    Isn't it interesting that Sirhan and Manson, like the Unabomber, are linked to the MK-ULTRA program?

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  5. The classic "Al Gore or the Unabomber?" quiz! by PapayaSF · · Score: 1
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  6. The incredibly expanding mountain cabin by flyingfsck · · Score: 2

    This guy's shack was searched multiple times and each time the police retrieved a treasure trove of incriminating documents. How all the crap would fit in the small shack and how they could have missed it in the previous searches, was never explained though.

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    1. Re:The incredibly expanding mountain cabin by orledrat · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe it was stored on his iPhone, which they couldn't unlock until recently?

    2. Re:The incredibly expanding mountain cabin by will_die · · Score: 1

      It was searched for 10 days. The "different searches" were because they found things like a live bomb which caused a delay when they had to stop for a while.

  7. Re:Other Still-Timely Topics by theodp · · Score: 2

    Off-topic? All from linked-to manifesto, and all issues today, IMO.

  8. Re:spelling is wrong by Deadstick · · Score: 1

    Yeah, the gubmint writes "marihuana", too. Nobody pays any attention.

  9. Re:Other Still-Timely Topics by skam240 · · Score: 1

    The horrible evils of the left, conspiracy theories about scientists and their "power process", "political correctness" destroying everything, workers being displaced by technology (damn the inventor of the wheel!), and the absolute worst, parents trying to get their kids interested in things that might help them later in life.

    This guy did not have a strong grasp on reality.

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  10. Re:In other news... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1, Interesting

    After all, it has become one of the founding documents of the Green movement.

  11. Re:Other Still-Timely Topics by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    Leftists have not been a minority of professors for at least 45 years.

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  12. Re:Other Still-Timely Topics by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

    If people stoop to name calling, as we see in the current GOP US Presidential campaign, the conversation is lost and we end up with a middle school playground level of forum for settling our differences, replete with bullying, taunting, racism and similar exhibits of ostracism, and so forth.

    You see name calling in both parties. One side screams the other is voting for a communist, the other side screams that the opposing candidate is "LITERALLY HITLER!", both sides scream "ONLY STUPID PEOPLE VOTE FOR MR. X!".

  13. Re:French airport security by colinwb · · Score: 2
    • From memory: Austerlitz 1805, Marne 1914, and the French held the Germans at Verdun 1916, which counts as a strategic victory, because it negated what the chief of the German general staff, Falkenhayn, was trying to do.
    • From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M... Hastings 1066, etc, etc
    • There is also the small matter of the large amount of assistance that the French gave to the American revolutionaries in 1775-1783 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...
  14. Re: Other Still-Timely Topics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Your "racism" is another person's fact.

    The only way to ensure Truth is to allow all ideas to coexist, where we can weigh them against one another.

    You want censorship. You want to silence alternative opinion. You are an enemy of science, knowledge, freedom, art, and rationality.

  15. Ars articles by Vskye · · Score: 1

    You guys just have a direct news feed to Ars or are you going to try to do something original one of these days.. like the old /.?

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  16. Why bring this up? by Mishra100 · · Score: 1

    It's just my opinion but this should probably be put to rest and not thought about in an anniversary like format...

  17. Kinda off topic, but... by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 1

    Referring back to the spelling and assholes article last week, here is what pisses me off about people that should KNOW how to spell when producing content.

    This is the caption from the video linked via the Slashdot description...

    "On April 3, 1996 Ted Kaczinsky's rain of terror came to an end. Former FBI agent Max Noel, who helped in the Unabomber's arrest, says what Kaczynski did was "pure evil." (April 2, 2016)"

    It is REIGN not RAIN....Jesus...

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  18. Poor guy. by Lendrick · · Score: 1

    He was just trying to stop the creation of SkyNet.

  19. go ahead, huff gasoline... by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    The corollary being that if the shitheads all get the government they deserve, I get it, too.
    I've been through that once (twice ? two great flavors...) already the last 16 years, not looking forward to another dose.

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  20. Re:My professor was the first target by obsess5 · · Score: 1

    David Gelernter was another target. He was co-creator of the Linda language, later more popularly known as tuple spaces. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  21. Fall to pieces by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    I wondered if I would be one of the guys to fall to pieces from this guy. We're all still giving you the finger Ted. I bet few people understand what I even mean by that. Only if they realize what showing your middle finger really meant. It was there.