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Electric Fork Simulates a Salty Flavor By Shocking Your Tongue (med.news.am)

An anonymous reader writes: It's common knowledge that excess sodium can be detrimental to one's health. So researchers in Japan have built a prototype electric fork that uses electrical stimulation to stimulate the taste of salt. The battery-powered fork was engineered and designed at the University of Tokyo's Rekimoto Lab. It features a conductive handle that completes a circuit when the tines make contact with a diner's tongue, electrically stimulating their taste buds. The prototype fork, which was built from just $18 worth of electronics, creates a sensation of both salty and sour, and has adjustable levels of stimulation.

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  1. What are the chances by ickleberry · · Score: 1

    Of this device electrocuting you?

    1. Re:What are the chances by Thanshin · · Score: 3

      chances of this device electrocuting you?

      Probably 0, because the necessary energy would require a larger storage volume than a fork's handle.

    2. Re:What are the chances by arth1 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Of this device electrocuting you?

      Probably 100%, or it would be useless. As in a mild electrocution, not causing any damage other than confusing your pain receptors and taste buds.

      It's likely restricted to voltages up to 6-9V our so, which seems to be where it switches from uncomfortable to painful for many.

      I.e. you may get as electrocuted as if you touch both poles on a 9V battery. Don't touch the fork to your eyeball, and you should be fine. Which goes for a regular fork too.

    3. Re:What are the chances by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3

      I suspect that you could squeeze enough energy into that volume to electrocute someone; but humans are reasonably resistive(even if you accidentally stabbed yourself with the fork, it looks like there is an electrical contact on the handle, so it has to pass at least one layer of skin), so unless some sort of insane enthusiasm for liability led them to design the thing to deliver fairly high voltage at at least moderately punchy current, it would still be harmless.

      It doesn't actually take much energy, at all, to kick some unlucky sucker's heart into a life threatening abnormal state; but you have to deliver that very modest jolt to the correct place; and doing that is a matter of either nontrivial brute force or very bad luck.

    4. Re:What are the chances by GrumpySteen · · Score: 4, Informative

      ahem

      Full Definition of electrocute
              transitive verb
            1 : to execute (a criminal) by electricity
            2 : to kill by electric shock

      Notice that the definition of electrocute involves dying? When you say "mild electrocution", you're saying "mildly dead", which doesn't really make a lot of sense.

      You're welcome to use the word as you want, of course (that's one of the fundamental things that makes English a living language) but when someone else is using the word, you need to be aware of the dictionary meaning of the word or communication suffers.

      That having been said, electricity takes the path of least resistance. The only way the path between the tines of the fork will be through your heart or the nerves that drive your heart will be if the fork has been stabbed into your heart or your spine or, I suppose, just the right bit of your brain. In all three cases, you have much bigger and more lethal problems than the minuscule amount of current between the tines of the fork.

    5. Re:What are the chances by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Full Definition of electrocute
                      transitive verb
                  1 : to execute (a criminal) by electricity
                  2 : to kill by electric shock

      Notice that the definition of electrocute involves dying? When you say "mild electrocution", you're saying "mildly dead", which doesn't really make a lot of sense.

      It's not that clear cut.

    6. Re:What are the chances by pruedz · · Score: 1

      Coming soon in a CSI episode.

    7. Re:What are the chances by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      About the same as you licking a 9 volt battery, nil.

    8. Re:What are the chances by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      That's a pretty antiquated usage. Though I find the simpler "shocked" to be more common, I work in the electronics industry and people use "electrocute" more or less interchangeably. At the very least, they use it do describe fatal accidents and not just purposeful killing. The dictionary should be updated to reflect the modern usage.

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    9. Re:What are the chances by tsqr · · Score: 3, Funny

      When you say "mild electrocution", you're saying "mildly dead", which doesn't really make a lot of sense.

      Unless you're watching Princess Bride, that is.

    10. Re: What are the chances by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      Same "chances" as fucking morons who don't proof read?

      Aprox. 100% then.

    11. Re:What are the chances by arth1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unless you're watching Princess Bride, that is.

      This is slashdot. We all watch The Princess Bride.

    12. Re: What are the chances by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think most of the morons on slashdot are of the non-fucking variety...

    13. Re:What are the chances by jittles · · Score: 1

      When you say "mild electrocution", you're saying "mildly dead", which doesn't really make a lot of sense.

      You're right. It would be better if he just said that he's "mostly dead". There's a big difference between MOSTLY dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.

    14. Re: What are the chances by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      wish I had mod points for this

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    15. Re:What are the chances by CanadianRealist · · Score: 1

      The only way the path between the tines of the fork will be through your heart

      You're assuming that the electricity passes from one tine to another. The summary says:

      It features a conductive handle that completes a circuit when the tines make contact with a diner's tongue

      And the picture in TFA shows all the tines are part of a solid piece of metal. So the electricity is passing from the tongue through the body and arm to the hand. So it may pass through the heart.

    16. Re:What are the chances by quenda · · Score: 1

      I work in the electronics industry and people use "electrocute" more or less interchangeably.

      You are probably already all too aware of this, but you work with idiots.

    17. Re:What are the chances by dcooper_db9 · · Score: 1

      A very small amount of current, precisely timed, can throw the heart out of rhythm. I used to use a portable electrical stimulation device that stimulated nerve growth. I once made the mistake of touching an electrode with my left hand while the other electrode was connected to my right arm. When it pulsed it nearly killed me. Cross my heart, hope to die.

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    18. Re:What are the chances by bytesex · · Score: 1

      Oh get over it - you're both being autistic!

      Not that that's saying much on /.

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    19. Re:What are the chances by tsqr · · Score: 2

      Unless you're watching Princess Bride, that is.

      This is slashdot. We all watch The Princess Bride.

      Inconceivable!

    20. Re:What are the chances by guruevi · · Score: 2

      To kill someone using electricity you need to deliver certain amounts of energy in a short time (think Coulombs not Volts/Amps). There is also a range for which it works, too little and nothing happens, too much and you're just clamping someone's heart after which they likely recover (although you could've caused severe burn and internal organ damage).

      You could potentially kill someone based off a battery based device but you need to modify the signal quite a bit.

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    21. Re:What are the chances by ComputerGeek01 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Look up super capacitors.

      Argh! Supercapacitors are special because of their resistance to leakage and a high energy density. They actually have a lower voltage so they discharge slower, are heavier AND more expensive than regular electrolytic or ceramic capacitors making them exactly the WRONG choice for the purpose of electrocuting someone based on every possible consideration. What you want is an electrolytic capacitor in series with the power supply and a pull-up resistor set in parallel with the resistor going to ground. Go back to the eighth grade you AC retard!

    22. Re: What are the chances by JazzLad · · Score: 2

      "proofread", one word, jackass.

      Comma goes inside the quotation marks.

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    23. Re: What are the chances by RoccamOccam · · Score: 2

      While we're on the subject, this is one rule that needs to go away. I see quotes (particularly as used above) as denoting a specific reference. If the reference didn't include the punctuation (or even the intonation, such as in a question), then the added punctuation shouldn't appear inside of the quotes.

    24. Re:What are the chances by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      Uh, that's actually by design. It's supposed to shock you to simulate salt/sour sensations. Without shocking you, it doesn't work.

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    25. Re: What are the chances by JazzLad · · Score: 1

      Oh my gosh, yes. I really hate this particular rule, just struck me funny to see it broken by someone being pedantic :)

      Before I get trolled, I think sentences ending with an emoticon should not require additional punctuation. Not (yet) a rule, but it should be!

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    26. Re:What are the chances by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      They don't say what sort of battery is being used. If it's a stack of coin cells (quite possible as a single AAA would fit but you need to operate down to 0.9V to get good life out of it) then they probably can't supply more than a few tends of milliamperes anyway, even when shorted.

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    27. Re:What are the chances by omnichad · · Score: 5, Funny

      you DC retard!

      FTFY

    28. Re:What are the chances by omnichad · · Score: 1

      When you say "mild electrocution", you're saying "mildly dead", which doesn't really make a lot of sense.

      There might be a few skin cells that are dead dead, but the human body as a whole is only extremely mildly dead as a result.

    29. Re:What are the chances by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      Oh get over it - you're both being autistic!

      Not that that's saying much on /.

      Is being autistic the new way of being pedantic?

      I can't keep up with kids these days... ;-)

    30. Re:What are the chances by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      "you need to be aware of the dictionary meaning of the word"

      http://www.oxforddictionaries.... and http://www.oxforddictionaries....
      "Injure or kill someone by electric shock", which clearly includes non-fatal interactions.

      Is The Oxford English Dictionary insufficiently authoritative for you?

    31. Re:What are the chances by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Hopefully they are not putting a pacemaker, or any remotely similar circuit, in this device.

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    32. Re:What are the chances by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Maybe, but there are more of them than there are us!

      But seriously, this word was invented by Edison to scare people away from AC power. Almost immediately, people started using it to mean "shock" or "killed with a shock" rather than "executed by AC power". Etymology does not always win. Imagine if Steve Jobs invented a word which meant "killed while texting on an Android while driving". Would people really be defending his usage of the word over the colloquial usage that would surely take over?

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    33. Re:What are the chances by dcooper_db9 · · Score: 1

      The amount of electricity required to cause an arrhythmia is small, but the electrical impulses used in the brain are minute. What about seizures? IFIRC the tongue has the densest concentration of nerve endings in the human body and it's awfully close to the brain. The downsides may be outweighed if millions of people reduce intake of sodium. But I think it's worth studying the risks.

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    34. Re: What are the chances by dcooper_db9 · · Score: 2

      It's not for lack of trying. I've seen all variations on slashdot, from top to bottom. Fuck you. Fuck me. Fuck all of you. Fuck off. Fuck that. Nobody ever seems to respond agreeably. I've heard that's fucked up but I don't know who the fucker was. I've also heard that we're all fucked in the end. All I can say is that I have no fucking clue.

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    35. Re:What are the chances by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      Coulombs is charge. Amps is charge per time. Energy in a short amount of time is the same as power. To say that you need a certain amount of power to kill somebody is false. You need a certain amount of current across the heart (amps not coulombs). That is all. You'd need a battery with a max draw of about 200mA with sufficient voltage to break though the skin (or a pokey thing), while holding the fork in your left hand, and hope that the other end of the fork on your tongue will create a current path close enough to your heart to do damage.

    36. Re:What are the chances by quenda · · Score: 1

      You seem to think everyone uses the word that way. I'm not sure that applies everywhere, and its worth being pedantic sometimes, especially where life and death are concerned.
      When you see a sign saying "Danger of Electrocution" , it does not mean you might get a zap.

    37. Re:What are the chances by antdude · · Score: 1

      Prove it. :P

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    38. Re:What are the chances by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      To be fair, most people would probably also pay attention to a "Shock Hazard" sign. Or just to be unambiguous, use an icon sign. I personally like the one that looks like the guy is being hit by a lightning arrow.

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    39. Re:What are the chances by partofthepuzzle · · Score: 1

      Or you you could just hit 'em on the head with XKCD wrench? Note the absence of the link!

    40. Re:What are the chances by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      You know, that would be a great item to carry in the XKCD store. Just label it an encryption breaking device, and sell the wrenches for $20 or so plus shipping.

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    41. Re:What are the chances by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Get over it? As arth1's article states, electrocute, meaning a mild electric shock was in common use in 1889, before the first usage of the electric chair it was coined to describe. The boat has sailed, it is common use for to get shocked, not just killed by electricity.

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  2. coming soon: fridge with tazer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    coming soon: fridge with tazer

  3. It is also known.. by thesupraman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That not enough sodium in your diet can be detrimental to one's health.
    And more importantly, not enough Iodine, depending on location, can be pretty bad also.

    Bring on the Iodised salt!

    Come on people, is it that complicated? everything in moderation, and a well rounded and balanced diet?

    Of course, if they can invent a Chocolate fork... I suspect they will do well.

    1. Re:It is also known.. by Thanshin · · Score: 1

      That not enough sodium in your diet can be detrimental to one's health.

      No worries. To address this concern, they're already planning to release Electric Fork 2, the salt-coated version.

    2. Re:It is also known.. by geekmux · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That not enough sodium in your diet can be detrimental to one's health. And more importantly, not enough Iodine, depending on location, can be pretty bad also.

      Bring on the Iodised salt!

      Come on people, is it that complicated? everything in moderation, and a well rounded and balanced diet?

      Walk into any building that sells food on this planet and ask where the low-sodium-soy-free-non-MSG-no-additives-no-preservatives-no-growth-hormones-no-HFCS isle is. Is it that complicated for you to grasp the concept that "people" didn't choose to put all this shit into what manufacturers like to call "food" today?

      Everything in moderation? Yeah, I agree. Now let me know when the food processing industry is going to "moderate" their flavor of capitalism that caused the creation of an electric fork.

    3. Re:It is also known.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It isn't going to happen until you (the consumer) start paying for it.

      Raising livestock without antibiotics and anabolic steroids isn't profitable;
      Raising produce without pesticides isn't profitable;
      Getting livestock or produce into a consumers hands without preservatives isn't profitable;
      Selling a product that hasn't been pumped full of flavor enhancers and additives to meet consumer expectations isn't profitable;

      Running a business without turning a profit isn't... ?

    4. Re:It is also known.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hey, it's called the fruit and vegetable isle.

      If you're buying pre-packaged foods, of course there's additives.

    5. Re:It is also known.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Most supermarkets where I am have such aisles.

      You can spend a lot of money on this sort of "free from everything" garbage, it isn't any better for you but it is very expensive so you can feel smug because now you're eating exclusive food that's not for poor people. For the manufacturer it's great, you take a $2 product that you're selling for $2.50 in a tightly competiitve market. Strip out all the things that made it edible, now it costs $1.80 to make, sell it for $5 to hipsters. Sure, now it tastes like mud-covered straw, but the hipsters know it cost more and think that means it's better. Hilarious, and you keep $3.20 instead of fifty cents.

    6. Re:It is also known.. by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      The problem is processed foods, which tend have tons of salt added (for preservative purposes). Home cooking can easily be well-seasoned without actually containing excessive amounts of sodium.

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    7. Re:It is also known.. by GrumpySteen · · Score: 5, Informative

      Walk into any building that sells food on this planet and ask where the low-sodium-soy-free-non-MSG-no-additives-no-preservatives-no-growth-hormones-no-HFCS isle is.

      You don't even have to ask. Just use some common sense.

      Start with the fresh produce department, where the bulk of what you should be eating should be coming from anyway.

      Rice of all sorts, quinoa, wheat, oats and other grains are also readily available and contain none of the things you listed, so you can get some variety in your carbohydrates if you're tired of potatoes and yams.

      For protein, most stores will have at least half a dozen different types of dried beans. If you don't want to eat a vegetarian diet, it's not hard to find meat and eggs produced without growth hormones, antibiotics and so forth.

      In other words, the only reason you're stuck with all the stuff you've listed in your food is because you're choosing to buy products that contain all that stuff. Buy the ingredients and cook your own food and you get to choose what goes into it.

    8. Re:It is also known.. by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Informative

      Raw ingredients don't have "manufacturers." If you think eating healthy means buying the hipster organic processed food, you're doing it wrong.

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    9. Re:It is also known.. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Raw ingredients don't have "manufacturers."

      Outside the produce aisle, there are nearly zero unprocessed foods in a supermarket. Nearly all foods get some kind of processing. Chicken is carved up and usually injected with something. Beef is aged, albeit usually not long enough. Pork is about the least processed food you will find. Everything else has had something done to it.

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    10. Re:It is also known.. by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      This! Look, when people lambast 'capitalism', what their distain is really towards is the collective unconscious will of the population that steer market trends in a direction that he/she don't agree with. Take salt and sugar for example; the only reason why they're found in unhealthy quantities is for two primary reasons, taste and as a good preservative. Sales numbers don't lie. When the numbers are ran, against individual items over a period of time, one can deduce and potentially forecast the effect of an addictive substances on future sales. That, and extending shelf-life also has an impact in reduced costs of production and distribution due to expired products that didn't sell.

      Look at it this way. And individual is smart, but people are dumb. When it comes to eating healthy, the path the average consumer paves is not the one that should be followed. Blame them, not the "system".

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    11. Re:It is also known.. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Salt makes stuff taste better. Now we can have the taste without the salt, so moderation is easier. I don't see any cause for complaint.

      I'm gonna try this next time I'm in Tokyo.

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    12. Re:It is also known.. by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Outside the produce aisle...

      No shit, Sherlock. That's a tautology: "if you exclude all the unprocessed food, everything else is processed."

      Still, skinning and cutting up a carcass is a lot less processing than a frozen TV dinner suffers (even an "organic" one), and is an acceptable trade-off in return for my not having to deal with things like feathers and digestive tracts.

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    13. Re:It is also known.. by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      Most people in the industrialized world get plenty of sodium in their diets. If you are worried have a coke.

      That said most of us get so much sodium from processed foods and beverages such as soda that anything we might add at the dinner table is pretty negligible. Putting a little table on your asparagus really isn't much of a factor in your dietary sodium intake, so saith my physician.

      So I am not sure what folks hope to accomplish with this fork. On the other hand if we could easily electrically stimulate taste buds so I could eat oatmeal and have it taste like caviar that would be kinda cool!
       

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    14. Re:It is also known.. by Flavianoep · · Score: 1

      It is surprising that the Japanese invented a tech that solves problems in Brazil. The minimum amount of iodide in salt recommended by the FDA is the top amount accepted in Brazil. A small increase in the 2000s caused an increase of incidence of Hashimoto hypothyroidism. Excess salt may not seem like a problem for you, but where I live high blood pressure is rampant.

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    15. Re:It is also known.. by vtcodger · · Score: 1

      I doubt that anyone in North America or Europe outside of a few eccentric hermits is at danger from too little Sodium. It's added to just about everything you don't grow yourself. Try to plan a low Sodium diet someday.

      OTOH I object to the usual sloppy Slashdot editing. "It's common knowledge that excess sodium can be detrimental to one's health.". Hogwash. The danger of Sodium to anyone except possibly a relatively small number of Sodium sensitive hypertensives is, in fact quite controversial. It should be pointed out that the Japanese consume prodigious amounts of dietary Sodium -- way more than Americans even, On average they outlive just about everyone else on the planet.

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    16. Re:It is also known.. by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      everything in moderation

      The problem is that most Americans don't really know what moderation is.

      Ignorance/poor education/watching too many commercials lead to 'moderation is only 3-5 oreos per meal, right?'

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    17. Re:It is also known.. by dbIII · · Score: 1

      There's been plenty of studies to suggest that large amounts of salt causes problems but since we eat a combination of foods it's possible that for those people the salt was accompanied by large amounts of bacon.

    18. Re:It is also known.. by skids · · Score: 1

      Personally I don't feel right unless I get a couple times the RDA of sodium. But then, if I want I can add it myself -- it's somewhat harder to remove it, so I'd say we're probably best off with the minimum amount of salt needed to act as a preservative/offset scarier preservatives.

    19. Re:It is also known.. by guruevi · · Score: 2

      The problem is that most of these additives are actually not at all dangerous to people either short or long term. It's the health food industry that wants you to be scared of it but just like homeopathy which you'll find in the same isles there is no evidence to it. Yes, lots of HFCS will cause diabetes but so will the raw cane sugar in similar amounts. A lot of these "additives" are equally found in vegetables and fruits occurring naturally, anyone who is scared of sugar-replacers like aspartame should never eat strawberries that have aspartame in much higher dosages. Red food colorings are oh-so unnatural ground up beetles or beet juice.

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    20. Re:It is also known.. by willy_me · · Score: 2

      On average they outlive just about everyone else on the planet.

      That is what I also thought - but it is BS. What was actually happening is people were not reporting when their elderly relatives passed on. The reason - to continue collecting old-age pension checks. This typically occurred in the more rural mountain communities leading to the assumption that a rural mountain life was a healthy one. Turns out this is not true. And now that the government is aware of the problem it gets abused far less and the statistics are being corrected.

    21. Re:It is also known.. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      This all assumes that you have the time, energy and funds to prepare your own food. Before you protest that it's cheaper, it isn't. Prepared food just needs heating, often in a microwave or a simple oven, and can be eaten out of packaging (so less cleaning up required). Cooking stuff from scratch requires utensils, pots and pans, maybe a gas or electric hob, more storage space for it all, more cleaning afterwards, and of course the know-how to actually do it. If you want variety you need to spend time planning too.

      Often you even have to travel a little further to get fresh food. Of course it's possible, and many people have no excuse, but this is also why obesity tends to affect poorer people more. It's easy to forget how privileged we are to have things like a working gas hob or time to prepare food.

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    22. Re:It is also known.. by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Hey, it's called the fruit and vegetable isle.

      Jamaica?

    23. Re:It is also known.. by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      That not enough sodium in your diet can be detrimental to one's health.
      And more importantly, not enough Iodine, depending on location, can be pretty bad also.

      Bring on the Iodised salt!

      Come on people, is it that complicated? everything in moderation, and a well rounded and balanced diet?

      Of course, if they can invent a Chocolate fork... I suspect they will do well.

      It's actually the case where the vast majority of people take in more than enough sodium for their daily needs by two to three times. Or exceeding the maximum daily limit by two to three times.

      Yes, most people take in twice to three times as much sodium as they need, daily.

      Even the person who seems to eat only kale, fruit, veggies and nuts and exercises all the time, end up taking in just over the daily amount of sodium required.

      If you think you're sodium deficient, you're most likely not.

      Now, the good news is that even at three times the daily maximum is unlikely to have severe health consequences unless you already have heart problems. Sodium is water soluble and as long as you drink enough water it should be expelled by the body, so excess sodium goes out like excess vitamin C.

    24. Re:It is also known.. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      The risk profile is different though.

      A) Too much salt - 0.5% increase in blood pressure sometime in the next 30 years with a statistically insignificant effect on health
      B) Too little salt - Death. Right now.

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    25. Re:It is also known.. by omnichad · · Score: 1

      strawberries that have aspartame in much higher dosages

      citation needed.

    26. Re:It is also known.. by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      This all assumes that you have the time, energy and funds to prepare your own food. Before you protest that it's cheaper, it isn't.

      Not my experience.

      I rarely eat out, because I can't afford it.

      Shopping takes me an hour a week.

      Cooking takes me less an hour a day, usually while I am doing something else at the same time.

      Granted, I have a dishwasher, but clean-up is insignificant.

      Pots, pans, dishes, and utensils can be had for pennies from Goodwill.

      In my opinion, not cooking is a choice based on being able to afford not to, not having the interest to learn how to boil water, or living under a bridge.

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    27. Re:It is also known.. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      I made a large change to my diet by not going out to eat almost at all and rarely eating frozen dinners, only to find myself going to the bathroom a lot after 1 year. My blood-work always came back perfect for sodium. Eventually I started to purposefully sprinkle a small bit of salt on salads and stuff and my bathroom issue quickly went away. My blood-work still showed identical sodium levels.

      That's because your body is a lot smarter than you are. The brain, in particular, controls sodium levels closely. Salt aggrevated hypertension doesn't cause elevated sodium levels. The mechanism is actually a bit obscure. So, unless you are seriously ill or on some specific medications, you would expect the sodium to be perfectly stable no matter what your diet was.

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    28. Re:It is also known.. by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      let me ask the 400 lbs. crack whore at walmart buying her orange drink and ho-ho's with food stamps if that's what everyone does

    29. Re:It is also known.. by rubycodez · · Score: 2

      wrong, it is permissible (in the USA) to have that "raw meat" soaking in preservatives for transport. I researched the subject because one of the preservatives, sodium nitrite, makes my feet swell up.

      your butchered meat may well have preservatives in it.

    30. Re:It is also known.. by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      MSG is disgusting, high levels artificially added to food makes me thirsty

    31. Re:It is also known.. by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Sorry, wrong fruit in translation/memory. It's apricots and banana's that are high in phenylalanine. From American Cancer Society: Aspartame is made by joining together the amino acids aspartic acid and phenylalanine. Amino acids are the building blocks of proteins and are found naturally in many foods.

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    32. Re:It is also known.. by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Right, but none of them contain aspartame (thermodynamics and all), as phenylalanine is a metabolite. I'm sure none of that's a relevant distinction, since most of the negative health claims against aspartame have everything to do with it breaking down in your body (other than maybe insulin response).

    33. Re:It is also known.. by s_p_oneil · · Score: 1

      While that is a valid point, it depends on the typical diet for the target audience, and this is Japan we're talking about. Using this fork may be their way of trying to make "Lite" soy sauce taste like regular.

    34. Re:It is also known.. by sexconker · · Score: 1

      MSG is disgusting, high levels artificially added to food makes me thirsty

      Pretzels particularly.

    35. Re:It is also known.. by ffkom · · Score: 1

      Chocolate cutlery? Of course already invented: http://jkvnl.com/index.php/en/...

    36. Re:It is also known.. by suupaabaka · · Score: 1

      You might want to stay away from tomatoes and cheese then!

    37. Re:It is also known.. by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

      It isn't going to happen until you (the consumer) start paying for it.

      Raising livestock without antibiotics and anabolic steroids isn't profitable; Raising produce without pesticides isn't profitable; Getting livestock or produce into a consumers hands without preservatives isn't profitable; Selling a product that hasn't been pumped full of flavor enhancers and additives to meet consumer expectations isn't profitable;

      Running a business without turning a profit isn't... ?

      Tell that to Tyson, the chicken producers. They have already gotten rid of all antibiotics for non-sick animals in their broiler flocks. http://www.tysonfoods.com/Medi...

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    38. Re:It is also known.. by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Raising livestock without antibiotics and anabolic steroids isn't profitable;

      No, but treating humans who end up with life-threatening diseases from years of eating shit certainly is.

      Raising produce without pesticides isn't profitable;

      No, but treating humans who end up with life-threatening diseases from years of eating shit certainly is.

      It isn't going to happen until you (the consumer) start paying for it.

      We already are, in the worst way. Wake up.

    39. Re:It is also known.. by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      the concentration of MSG in tomatoes is 140mg/100g which is no problem, but those crazy soups can get into grams per 100g!

    40. Re:It is also known.. by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      That not enough sodium in your diet can be detrimental to one's health....

      Any serious lack of salt (Sodium Chloride and Potassium Chloride) can cause Headaches, Inability to Drink Water even though dehydrated, Muscle Cramps, Convulsions and Death. Don't get careless with that "low salt" stuff!

  4. Battery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In my foolish youth, I once touched the leads of a 9-volt battery to my tongue. I figured that the current would go from one lead to another, and not through any part of my body except the tip of my tongue, so it was safe. (The problem with that is that saliva is a good conductor, so even at 9V there is a potential for a massive amount of current to enter your body. Don't try this at home!)

    In the end, I suffered no injury, but I did feel what I remember as a bitter taste in my tongue.

    1. Re:Battery by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Don't be ridiculous. I've been doing that since the '60s. It won't hurt you.

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  5. Salt probably isn't bad for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It seems like every 10-15 years, dietary and health science finds a new boogeyman or two. At one time, fat was considered the devil. Cholesterol was a common target, too. Now, we're being told that fat and cholesterol aren't that bad for you. Instead, we're being told to avoid salt and sugar. I bet we'll soon be told they're not bad for us, either. Buying a fork that simulates the taste of salt might be a fad now, but it'll probably be a useless trinket in 15 years. The only science with a worse record on their predictions is climate science and everything they say about global warming. Dietary science is full of scams. We're told that we should be juicing, which supposedly involves slicing up food into pieces that are small enough to release more nutrients at the molecular level. Of course, this is complete BS. We're sold products that are supposed to make our bodies more alkaline, especially in the bloodstream. In fact, the body buffers the blood to remain at a pH around 7.4, and variations from that would be quite harmful. There's just so much BS that it's hard to take anything seriously except the most basic of things like eating plenty of fruits and vegetables and trying to balance the intake and burning of calories. Just about everything else is BS, and the bacteria in the gut are probably far more important than the salt content of foods.

  6. Re:Do you really need a R&D lab for this ?!? by elerran · · Score: 5, Funny

    when I was a kid I wore braces. I also tested batteries with my tongue. One day I decided to connect a 9V battery (the one with the poles side by side) with my braces, to see what will happen. One pole on the upper side, the other on the bottom. There was a big shock, my field of vision became bright white for a split second, and I never tested batteries with any part of my face ever again.

  7. Re:Do you really need a R&D lab for this ?!? by Thanshin · · Score: 1

    how can this be into the news today ?!?

    Based on your used ID I see you took an abnormally large time to read your first post here but I guess you had your reasons. Anyway, Welcome to Slashdot! \o/

  8. Re:Do you really need a R&D lab for this ?!? by arth1 · · Score: 1

    When I was a kid, I checked if 4.5V and 9V batteries were OK just by "tasting" them with my tongue: if the tasted salty they were ok. It was a common practice among my friends, so how can this be into the news today ?!?

    The problem is that to a lot of people, DC doesn't taste salty. It gives an electric tingle (1.5V) up to electric pain (9V). There's no mistaking a current for salty for many of us.

    And even for those who "taste" current as salty, it doesn't linger, and doesn't spread around the mouth, so it's not like salt at all.

  9. Japan by Thanshin · · Score: 1

    In post-lost-decades Japan, cattle prods you.

  10. Common Knowledge is wrong by darthsilun · · Score: 5, Informative

    ISTR hearing about new research showing that the amount of salt in your diet has little to no effect on coronary heart disease.

    While we're on the subject, the amount of fat in your diet has been shown to have no effect on blood cholesterol levels.

    Not that I'm suggesting you consume salt by the bucketful or anything.

    1. Re:Common Knowledge is wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Very much this.

      The links between salt consumption and disease is only apparent in a small number of people that seem to have some sensitivity to salt.
      These people have an underlying condition(s) that has remained un-diagnosed for decades because of a horribly flawed STUDY (one, ONE!) that was never re-tested until recently, where it was ripped apart.

      I've known people to actually eat salt in massive amounts and he is 86 this year.
      No heart issues. No high blood pressure.
      He had a minor stroke. Want to know why? He had a bad habit of sleeping on a tough leather couch. That would make even the fittest people have a stroke, regardless of sodium amount.
      Deep vein thrombosis is a huge problem with frequent travellers, which is why you should always get some exercise. Even doing some in-seat exercises will help prevent it. The things you can do to prevent such simple blood clots are easy.

      Yet there are people that go nuts over even minor amounts of salt that it is almost likely the stress and anxiety OVER salt itself that is causing the high blood pressure. (it isn't entirely the case though)
      This device will certainly help some people out with intolerance to it, at least until they figure out the root cause of it. (which could just be salt, there are people with intolerances to water on skin!)
      Whatever it is, the fact it has remained unnamed for decades pisses me off more than the fact that salt was being blamed for it!

    2. Re:Common Knowledge is wrong by BradleyUffner · · Score: 1

      "He had a minor stroke. Want to know why? He had a bad habit of sleeping on a tough leather couch. That would make even the fittest people have a stroke, regardless of sodium amount."

      Anyone care to explain that one?

    3. Re:Common Knowledge is wrong by darthsilun · · Score: 1

      that was probably your boyfriend convincing you to swallow his spunk

      You seem to know quite a bit about this topic. First hand experience?

  11. Re:Sounds great! \ by Salgak1 · · Score: 1

    If I don't want to eat radioactive food, EVERYONE knows to avoid the Insta-Mash, the Fancy Lads Snack Cakes, the Dandy Boy Deviled Eggs, and similar.

    See your Vault-Tec Vault Dweller's Survival Guide for more details. . .

  12. This is freakin' cool by PPalmgren · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's a lot of cynics here, but this kind of thing is great for someone who needs sodium regulation, especially the elderly. Simulated taste could also help a lot of people work towards a healthier lifestyle.

    1. Re:This is freakin' cool by info6568 · · Score: 1

      Well ... with more research could be possible to simulate sweet things? ... or maybe particular flavors.

      Then we arrive to the sci-fi concept of universal healthy food and/or replicators, where you can carry only one type of food in your space shuttle but to choose what you really want to eat (or to feel you are eating).

      In fact, could be better to work in this direction than to add potentially carcinogen components to the food to improve and/or modulate the flavour.

  13. Experimental by JanneM · · Score: 1

    If you look at the labs homepage you see they're doing all kinds of things related to human augmentation, telepresence and human-machine interaction. The stuff ranges from the silly ("hoverball": use a small drone as an active ball in sports) to the useful ("Expressive typing": read the accelerometer in hard drives to estimate keyboard typing force). This fork is probably more about exploring what is possible to achieve rather than trying to solve a particular problem.

    With that said, there are people that really can't eat salt; some people with kidney diseases for instance. For such people, this may help make their food a bit more palatable.

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  14. Re:Do you really need a R&D lab for this ?!? by rhazz · · Score: 1

    I assumed this was a joke, but apparently it's a pretty common thing for kids to do.

  15. Salty Fork? by RivenAleem · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Would this not just make the fork taste salty? Once the food is deposited and you start chewing, the salty flavour will be gone and your food will feel like it needs salt.

  16. Japanese creativity by swell · · Score: 1

    Isn't this exactly why we like the Japanese? It's not just the cute style of cartooning or the way their lounge singers can imitate Elvis, no, it's not just the Tamagotchi or Paro the interactive "healing pet" seal, no it's not even Hello Kitty or Pikachu or the slightly scary Funassyi. What it is, is *kawaii*, Japanese for 'cute'.

    Nobody asked for these things. They don't fill a need. But they make the world a better place.

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    1. Re:Japanese creativity by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Indeed. America has a growing skills gap and a cuteness gap. It's time for the Sputnik of Cuteness to wake us up and re-familiarize America with its cute side. After all, we invented the Teddy Bear, dammit! It's our patriotic duty to help with the Great Recutification of the US of A.

  17. making america grate again by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 1

    sodium glutamate, used in combination with table salt, can significantly reduce the amount of sodium required to properly season a dish.

    Of course 78% of donald trump supporters are allergic to soudium glutamate rofl

    Unless this is a reference that flew over my head, because I find hearing Trump say things very depressing, and avoid it when possible, I'm not sure you're being fair to fans of Mister Silly the Circus Monkey. Say what you will about Trump and his supporters (I certainly do), but I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that if you did a survey, you'd find that significantly fewer of them report food allergies than people on the other side of the political spectrum. It's a big world, and there's more than enough idiocy to go around.

    You may actually be thinking instead of Trump supporters' attitude toward the eradication of polio and other crippling and/or lethal diseases via a campaign of universal vaccination. Turns out they're against it.

  18. coming spoon by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

    But what of the electric spoon?

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22429935-000-food-bland-electric-spoon-zaps-taste-into-every-bite/

    Did they not think to patent the E-fork as well?

    The electric knife is quite another thing altogether... but maybe electric chopsticks?

  19. for affordable penny flavor, bite tongue hard by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 1

    There's already a long thread about how likely this device would be to kill you (the consensus seems to be "not very, unless you're holding it in your mouth while BASE jumping"). But I'm wondering whether regular use would do some sort of permanent damage to the taste buds. Like, after you use it for a couple of years, you can no longer really taste salt under any circumstances.

    I am not a neurologist.

  20. Fork? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    I'll wait until they have a miniaturized version that can be built-in in a piercing stud for the tongue, to make everything taste sweet, or sour or umami or salty, selectable by smartphone.

    Perhaps we will have downloadable tastes for any crap we want to eat.

    1. Re:Fork? by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Yeah, all it will require is shoving a metal spike through a muscle... where do I sign up?

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  21. So... by Lendrick · · Score: 1

    Does it feel like putting your tongue on a nine volt battery?

  22. Artifically-induced tingle voltage? by CCarrot · · Score: 1

    Wow. Just wow.

    Absolute elimination of stray voltage from livestock buildings has been the (sometimes elusive) goal of electrical designers for as long as livestock buildings have been supplied with electricity, and now we're inducing tingle voltages on purpose??

    I guess cows know to stop drinking when they feel the tingle of electricity. People? Not so much...

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  23. Not really by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    "It's common knowledge that excess sodium can be detrimental to one's health."

    Actually, wrong, except in the absolute form of "too much" is "too much". The reality is different people have different sensitivities to sodium. Recent research shows that for some people it is a problem while for others it is not a problem.

    1. Re:Not really by Maritz · · Score: 1

      You said he's wrong but as far as I can see you agree. "can be detrimental". Sounds kinda conditional.

      Personally I don't see the point of a fork that "tastes" salty, unless I'm the only one that hasn't been licking cutlery...

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    2. Re:Not really by pubwvj · · Score: 1

      What I disagree with is the way that people over generalize the statement. They go from the true meaning of excess to saying everyone's excess point is the same point and then trying to legislate that point. The reality is some people, such as myself, have a high salt tolerance and some people have low salt tolerances. That excess point varies with your heredity.

  24. It's like messing with sensors on a car etc by Tighe_L · · Score: 1

    Our taste buds didn't originally exist for our pleasure, they were to tell the body about the food entering it, and it is still that way. If you give someone an artificial sweetener they will produce insulin. Our brains evolved to like some foods so that we would eat them. Artificial sweeteners mess up your response, and I would imagine what artificial salt taste sensations will mess us up in some similar way. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu... Just eat a reasonable amount of salt, sugar, fat, etc.

  25. Re:So many flavors... by CCarrot · · Score: 1

    So many flavors to choose from, and they chose to make it salty.

    Mmmm...everything tastes like chocolate!

    I would eat more salad, for sure...

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  26. Next up... by gibbson · · Score: 1

    Forks that make make crappy food taste like salt!

  27. Other possible use..... by JDeane · · Score: 1

    Could this tech be added to dildo's possibly for flavor or other functions? LOL

    Sorry my mind went into the gutter as soon as they mentioned "salty flavor" lol

  28. A neat idea but it doesn't solve a real problem by xeos · · Score: 1

    For about a decade most nutritional science has agreed that there is no real harm to consuming the amount of salt that is common in the western diet. Of course most doctors don't read science journals and thus continue to tell people to reduce salt intake. Personally I'd be much more afraid of what this might do to my taste buds then I would be concerned about consuming the salt that makes the food taste good.

  29. Food isn't supposed to taste salty by drew_kime · · Score: 1

    OK, chips are supposed to, but I mean food that you eat with a fork.

    One reason you cook with salt is that it suppresses bitter flavors. Electronically stimulating the taste buds might trigger a salty taste, but I wonder what it will do for suppressing bitter.

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  30. hilariously stupid by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    You mean that same salty/sour tingle you get when you put your tongue on a 9V battery? This is supposed to satiate a need for salt?

    morons

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  32. Re:Do you really need a R&D lab for this ?!? by Stinky+Cheese+Man · · Score: 2

    I used to take a small battery and a step-up transformer and connect the high-voltage side to my little brother's funny bone and amuse myself by making his arm jump. He went on to a successful career in electronics. And I? Here I am posting on Slashdot.

  33. Doing It Wrongly by sexconker · · Score: 1

    Raw ingredients don't have "manufacturers." If you think eating healthy means buying the hipster organic processed food, you're doing it wrong.

    If you think "eating healthy" is grammatically correct, you're an idiot.
    You want an adverb after "eating", and the one you want is "healthily". Eat healthily is what you do when you eat healthful food. Note that you don't eat healthy food, as healthy food is food that is (itself) in good health. (Unless you're eating live, healthy things - in which case I'd argue they cease to be healthy once they pass your lips.)

    Further, "doing it wrong" is incorrect as well. You want "doing it incorrectly" or perhaps "doing it wrongly". A case could be made for "doing it wrong" if you mean committing an injustice (a wrong) to something (it), but that wasn't your meaning.