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Risks To Human Health Will Accelerate As Climate Changes, White House Warns (washingtonpost.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Washington Post: More deaths from extreme heat. Longer allergy seasons. Increasingly polluted air and water. Diseases transmitted by mosquitoes and ticks spreading farther and faster. Those are among the health risks that could be exacerbated by global warming coming decades, the Obama administration warned in a new report Monday. The study, more than 300 pages long and several years in the making, focuses on what the White House has described as one of the gravest threats to the nation: major health problems associated with climate change. It details direct effects, such as the potential for worsening air quality to trigger thousands more premature deaths from respiratory problems or an uptick in annual deaths from crushing heat waves. While every American could be affected, administration officials said Monday, the brunt of the harm is most likely to fall disproportionately on the most vulnerable populations, such as pregnant women, children, the poor, the elderly, minorities, immigrants and people with disabilities.
Just don't care!
standard stuff
Has already hurt us in the last 7 years.
Of all the things that we need to be warned about, the White House is effectively stating the dangers we would have... by simply living in the tropics.
Essentially, they have basically said that having flowers and green plants for longer during the year is a problem. Hell, that's why I moved south to begin with. If I can have tropical weather by the time I'm retirement age, I won't have to migrate to Florida when I have blue hair!
And look out, the next big scam is fresh water, they're coming right after you.
Well yeah. That stuff's dangerous! It's known to cause death if inhaled. DEATH! It's high time fresh water was regulated, for the good of us all.
Shouldn't our government do something real about this ? Oh Wait, forgot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Or how to repurpose a natural phenomenon to sell us on international carbon tax. YAY!
the brunt of the harm is most likely to fall disproportionately on the most vulnerable populations, such as pregnant women, children, the poor, the elderly, minorities, immigrants and people with disabilities.
Republicans will just view that as a Benefit.
is what I think they meant to call climate change. Sounds like a lawyer made it sound nice and someone else's fault. Greedy lying fucks.
"global warming" is "described as one of the gravest threats to the nation"
It always amuses me that to a typical American, everything seems to only be about America.
The reason girls and Windows users don't understand UNIX is because all the documentation is in Man files.
No you don't. Fuck of you pathetic liar.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
I assume you're angry because you have financial interests in convincing people that global warming is real. Makes sense...
It's very true, his whole paradigm was shattered. Cognitive dissonance is what we refer this as. As soon as he realizes his precious government lied to him, he could only resort to personal attacks. This is step 1 in them coping with the entire world view changing.
No, I'm angry because an AC is inventing a lie to try to discredit a branch of science that doesn't tell him what he wants to hear.
The universe doesn't owe us a fucking thing. It doesn't modify the effects of CO2 to protect your stock portfolio or keep the price of gas cheap. It doesn't give one flying fuck about any economic system. CO2 has the effects it has because that's the way it fucking is, and it is irrelevant how it makes you are the moron who made the original post feel. The universe does not care about cheap energy.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
He just trolls when frustrated, which takes 3 seconds to verify. Also it makes heaps more sense than the unnecessarily defensive fiction you came up with.
climate is definitely a thing. Who denies that?
Because your are either white, or too old. Old white crackers get no respect. Next time try being a cute white girl / boy. Alternatively if you want to live into adulthood you could be a disadvantaged African American Latino.
Your transgender cismale midget arthritisness is a good thing, but does not completely mitigate your primary sin of being the wrong race.
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Are the all of the servers.. and all the downstream links you use to get to them powered by sustainable energy? Yes/No? If not.. you are announcing a problem while being part of the root cause. This is just an example of one of the reasons you can be arrested for yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater. Needless and unnecessary harm to the population based on your burp/fart/other outburst. Peace out you suspender-wearing unicorn-riding hypocrites.
Why would I care what the White House has to say? A job at the White House is not a scientific credential, and this is very obviously not a properly peer-reviewed publication in a reputable journal.
MightyMartian get a grip all high and mighty should we kiss your feet?
Does anyone have a link to the actual study?
Except when the global warming alarmists choose to point to weather as evidence of climate change. It goes both ways. "It's the hottest year on record!" So?
Ooooo, bro . . . that must hurt!
It's a reflection of what their constituents have been telling them, often using threatening language or nearly so. Politicians need to get reelected if they want to keep their jobs.
I assume this warning is a call to action, so let's act. I hear a lot of talking heads that claim we need an "all of the above" approach to solve this problem but they don't include nuclear power. Then I'd hear nuclear waste, blah blah, Chernobyl, blah blah, Fukushima, blah blah. I thought global warming was the greatest threat we have, so is it?
If these government officials will tell me that global warming is such a threat that drastic measures are needed then I'd think that using nuclear power is a drastic measure. That's assuming all the fear mongering of China Syndrome melt downs are even true, which they are not.
I say put the US Navy in charge of our energy production, they seem to know how to operate nuclear reactors safely. Use the nuclear reactor design from one of those big submarines and build a million of them. Perhaps that's too much, a thousand then. Put a few dozen in every state and hook them to the electric grid. Problem solved, right?
Oh, where do we get the fuel? I seem to recall that the federal government has a whole pile of nuclear warheads that they aren't using, crack them open and take out the cores. That should keep us going until we can dig up some more.
Any complaints about nuclear power should be moot now, we have a real problem of global warming to handle. Any problems that come up from using nuclear power should be trivial by comparison. Again, if nuclear power is not part of the all-of-the-above then I have to wonder just how much of a threat global warming really poses.
I am armed because I am free. I am free because I am armed.
"It's snowing."
Not here
and theres no snow on the ground
typically there woulr be in early april
There was a record early 'ice=out' on the lake in the middle of town
Lat: 46.3N
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Fearmongering tag? The OP forgot the ConspiracyNutcase tag.
The study, more than 300 pages long and several years in the making...
Translation: Someone needed a job for some friends for a few years...
" While every American could be affected, administration officials said Monday, the brunt of the harm is most likely to fall disproportionately on the most vulnerable populations, such as pregnant women, children, the poor, the elderly, minorities, immigrants and people with disabilities."
Here
Yes, science is a bitch: http://www.skepticalscience.co...
without an endless stream of things to threaten us with. If it's not Russia, it's Terrorists (aka their friends from Saudi Arabia). If necessary, they will IMPORT the terrorists by scanning all the non-muslims at the local airports. If it's not that it's WMD. Or it's Global Warming. If Warming doesn't frighten us sufficiently to give them the added larceny and power and bootlicking they crave it might be "Climate Change!". Now that "climate change" doesn't seem to be raising enough goosebumps they have to warn us about what climate change (caused by shipping all the manufacturing jobs off to China, where they don't use pollution controls) will mean: disease. Especially for women and children! Govt: First they break your legs. Then they offer you a crutch. If you don't seem to want the crutch they will commission special studies so they can do my propagandizing on why you should be very very afraid. Well, I am afraid. I am afraid of the government. I used to kind of admire it; at least I thought it genuinely had our best interests at heart. It takes a while to grow up in today's world.
Shouldn't our government do something real about this ?
Nah. They don't believe it themselves.
If they did they'd immediately abort, and try to reverse, their current policies where they are pro-natilist and/or encourage immigration of lower-income people and the raising of their standard of living - and thus their "carbon footprint".
Giving more people the opportunity to burn more fossil fuels, and raise more kids to do the same than they could where they came from, is obviously at odds with a dire need to reduce carbon emissions before global warming roasts us all.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Terrorists. Terrorists are coming to kill you all and drop you off buildings, chop off your head, etc, etc, e*YAWN*
Global Warming. We're all going to cook. We're all going to die. Floods, storms, we're doomed. Doomed I say! DOOOOOOOOMED!
FUD. All of it.
We keep getting "warnings" about this crap. But when challenged to actually DO something, scientists, politicians, etc immediately perform a rectal thumb insert.
But they're more than happy to keep taking our money for this sick fear culture. Heaven forefend if the cash flow stops to The Church of Oh Shit!
Shit or get off the pot. Stop "warning" us about it and fucking DO something.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
More deaths from extreme heat.
Yea, what a load of crap...
Allow me to fix that:
"Fewer deaths from extreme cold."
Longer allergy seasons.
Another one to fix:
"Longer seasons for pollination resulting in larger food harvests"
Diseases transmitted by mosquitoes and ticks spreading farther and faster.
Ahh, so we need to have an ice age, think of all the people THAT would save!
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Seriously, this is the biggest steaming pile of political crap I've seen in awhile.
300 pages of "oh my god the sky is falling, quick, support MY programs, do what I say and I'll save you".
This is why so many people simply don't believe it. True or not, the climate change crowd keeps shooting itself in the foot with the "sky is falling" stuff.
But researchers said other, less obvious effects also could take a toll on human health â" from mental health problems that can result from extreme weather events such as hurricanes and floods
Holy crap... so in other words, people's feelings might be hurt from a weather event.
When did people become such pansies?
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I've been reading, and one article is saying that at this point, the production of electricity via terrestrial wind (as opposed to off-shore wind) is the cheapest form of power generation.
Another article says that the 2020's will be the decade that the electric car comes into its own as battery prices become good enough that everyone can afford them.
Still another article is seriously proposing a world-wide grid of high-voltage power distribution, so that we can get power from, say, from Spain if the wind stops blowing and the solar is plagued with clouds or night.
The beauty of it is that charging automotive batteries is not the sort of urgent power requirement that, say, operating your iron lung is. If your wind turbine isn't working for a lack of wind, you can just wait to charge your car battery until the wind _is_ blowing.
This is strongly resembling energy independence as well as a dramatically lower effective energy cost for transportation as we substitute electricity that is used at about 90% efficiency for gasoline that is used at about 20% efficiency.
First, the "hottest years" we've been having are global averages for the whole year, not just snow outside someone's window one day.
Second, "hottest year on record" means "this year's global average temperature was higher than anything we've ever seen before", which could just be a fluke - if it wasn't merely the latest in a whole string of "hottest years on record" over the last decade. When the global temperature record gets broken in 1998, then 2010, again in 2014, and yet again in 2015, that's ridiculously unlikely to be anything except a rising temperature trend - not just random weather.
Why would anyone engrave "Elbereth"?
I'm not going to respond to your strawman, to humor it would only help derail the actual conversation that most people try to have.
Destabilized climates can increase the strain on local and regional economies and make it easier for the scum of humanity to get a nice grip on desperate or angry populations. Climate change can only help spread the influence of terrorists and other evil organizations.
Rising temperatures will cause certain plants and animals to either move closer to the poles or die off. This may not seem like a big deal, and at a reasonable time scale it isn't really, ecosystems can adapt over long periods of time. Especially for people way up north. However, the speed at which the temperature could shoot up will not offer that window of transition for all life. This will also effect marine life. For every migration, there will be ecosystems that no longer match up correctly and species reaching dead ends they can't get around. Then you factor in the changing rain patterns... Droughts in places that aren't used to it, flooding in others. Human beings are NOT going to enjoy these changes, as crops will stop being as predictable and large regions may find themselves without cash crops they used to enjoy And those who hunt for food might not have much luck in that area anymore if their normal food start to move away en masse or die off. Granted, your family will likely have the money to import all the food they might need for a while, but for the poorest humans on the planet, this can be a pretty grim look forward.
I could get into ocean acidification (which is definitely NOT good, considering how much of our planet depend on small marine life to hold up the food chain and absorb CO2 from the air), rising sea levels that will devastate poor people and nations that can't afford big expensive walls to keep the sea at bay, all the mass migrations that will make Syria look like a fucking cakewalk, the occasional more powerful hurricane/typhoons, the slowing down of ocean currents that drag warm water into Europe, and the massive feedback loops from natural gas melting out of the permafrost and shrinking ice caps reflecting less sunlight etc (which is when things would REALLY get interesting)... but I don't know where you set your threshold for 'alarmist'. These things aren't just the ramblings of fear mongers, these are real and possible dangers based on pretty solid science that NEED to be brought forward. The reason why they may look like warnings is because, frankly, they should be. For a rough analogy, when there's a pretty good chance of hurricane hitting my area I damn well want to hear about it. Even if the chances that It'll kill me are very low and it's a week or so away, the threat is definitely worth getting a little worked up over.
Indeed, some people do choose to cry about the falling sky and employ hyperbole either for dramatic effect or just to further some stupid agenda. But if you're only going to concentrate on the loudmouths and overly comfortable politicians, it means you ignore the scientists, citizens, and other government workers who actually want to do something useful despite being held back by people with vested interests in keeping us on oil and coal. We don't need to be intentionally alarming to get the point across, but if we don't state the urgency now, eventually there might actually be cause for sirens going off and there won't be much anyone can do about it.
From the adminstration that ran on "hope and change":
All change is bad
Nothing but propaganda.....
What "strawman"?
What I'm saying is we see a lot of people TALKING about global warming, and precious few people actually doing a goddamn thing about it.
You spouting off facts about rising temperatures and ocean acidification accomplishes nothing, because you think I'm a climate denialist.
So you go into full on didactic dumbfuck mode and start spewing factoids like Wikipedia was put under high pressure and then sprung a leak.
The problem is, I'm NOT a climate denialist. I realize there's a problem. What I want to know is are we going to do something to ameliorate this problem? Or are we just going to stand here wringing our hands about how fucked we are?
We need more DOING and less DOOMSAYING.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
than anything we've ever seen before
But you're correct in that it's warmer now compared to the end of the coldest part of this interglacial. That coincides with us starting to take detailed measurements.
(If you feel angered by any of the content I wrote above, I'm sorry. It's a correct representation of the known science)
it's in my head
warm climate is associated with the greatest diversity of life on earth. Thanks for the concern Obama but GFY.
Risks to human health (globe-wide) have increased with the passage of Obamacare, but that hasn't deterred this White House. Politicizing science doesn't make for better science. The tax on medical devices (part of Obamacare) is literally a tax on medical research. If nothing else, it puts a heavier reporting burden on research which is already under incredibly high reporting constraint. The only industry more heavily regulated than doctors are bankers (yes, more than chemical companies or power industry). Not surprisingly, lawyers are almost entirely unregulated. Even the bar association is a private organization which reserves the right to refuse membership based on its sole discretion.
Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
Actually cared about the health of pregnant women and their children, then why do they support the ability to kill 1/2 of them at will?
You don't really register on the relevance scale.
They are lawyers and politicians. Who among them are scientists for their warnings to have any credibility?
Funny, how the write-up said will, but the actual warning contains only the non-committal "could". Yeah, right, "15 minute call could save you 15% on car insurance". Sure.
The "could be" part makes the statement non-falsifiable and therefor unscientific. Nothing to see here, folks. Lawyers and politicians are mongering fears to the populace.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
I'm confused. Are you angry that "scientists, politicians, etc" AREN'T doing anything, or that they ARE "taking our money" in order to do things?
As someone involved in several renewable energy projects, I can confirm that we (scientists and engineers) ARE doing everything we can, limited only by the amount of money available. It's hard to design and build things that haven't been built before, and we're having to do it on the cheap so that we can compete per MW with coal. Government subsidy helps with this, but now that we've got most of the kinks worked out, subsidies are being massively reduced. At the same time, coal plants are getting extensions and exemptions to keep them in operation even though they blow already-generous pollution targets every year. In that environment, there just isn't enough profit to justify massive private investment without subsidy, and absolutely NO direct government investment in building new capacity, so we can only progress projects that are subsidised to the point that they'd make money.
The idea that we (scientists) are in it for the money is laughable. Most of my colleagues could easily get more lucrative jobs in other industries; I for one took a 70% pay cut to move from the oil industry to offshore wind. I did that because within my life time, I'm going to witness the effects of climate change. As a well-off westerner I'm probably only going to feel a moderate economic impact; as with any kind of change, the people who're going to get shafted are the poor and desperate, and I'd rather not have that on my conscience.
FWIW, the climate science community isn't the best - in my experience, they are cranky and paranoid, and could use more statistical rigour. However, they have been consistently professionally and personnally attacked and undermined by an insanely well-funded PR machine that hasn't been able to produce ANY evidence to dispute the fairly obvious hypothesis that messing with the inputs to a known-unstable chaotic system will produce unpredictable results. We KNOW climate changes over time. We KNOW that human-produced CO2 is significantly accumulating in the atmosphere. We KNOW that the atmosphere is an unstable chaotic system. We DON'T KNOW how the system will react to increasing CO2 concentrations (although we have some models which match observed readings). We KNOW that any change will be very bad in the short term, and possibly catastrophic in the medium term. So why take the risk? "Consensus" is not a valid argument in science, but at this stage the onus is on those who want to pump crap into the air, sea and land to present evidence that it won't cause harm.
The world ends tomorrow.
Women and minorities most affected.
Film at 11.
It still beats the shit out of another ice age - even a little ice age. Europe was nearly deforested as people tried to heat their homes during the LIA.
Do you have ESP?
The earth has been processing through Greenhouse and Icehouse stages long before humans ever walked on the planet.
I agree that the climate is changing, and yeah, maybe humans have some influence on how quickly these phases change, but are we going to stop it? No.
With our current level of technology, these phases will continue to happen, no matter what we do.
All we're doing as a species is either slowing down or speeding up the inevitable.
Have you ever fallen asleep at the keybhanusdiog?
Women and Children Hit Hardest!
The trope that keeps on giving.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!
Wow, that's a weird set of non-sequiturs. Kind of "I am passionate about these political issues, I'll bring them up regardless of what the discussion is about."
Here's a general principle: the higher the standard of living, the fewer children people have. (This is well known among demographers: it's called the "demographic transition.")
In the long run, our best option is to raise the standard of living of everyone, resulting in a planet without exponential population growth, but with higher quality of living.
Energy? That's a technical problem. It has technological solutions, if we choose to implement them.
"the brunt of the harm is most likely to fall disproportionately on the most vulnerable populations, such as pregnant women, children, the poor, the elderly, minorities, immigrants and people with disabilities."
How does it affect immigrants and minorities more? Are homosexuals more susceptible to respiratory complications from poor air quality? Are black people more susceptible to insect borne diseases? What the fuck does this even mean? The colonialciswhiteheteropatriarchy must be shielding people.
80% of people seem to do every thing they can to waste or ruin it what is the point?
love is just extroverted narcissism
Remember all those conversations where someone points out how the Alarmists make ridiculous claims about how the world is going to end? Then you dutifully point out that no "scientist" said that.
Well, here we go again. A Major News Paper, quoting a Government Source, telling us we are all going to die using the most cliche and abused language. It's stupid, inane, hyperbole. But....a "scientist" didn't say it.
THIS, is why you are losing the public relations war. THIS is why people have "climate change" at the bottom of their list of worries. They have seen through your scheme and dismiss you out of hand. A never ending list of predictions that have failed to come true, hyperbolic rants about how 50% of the country(Republicans) don't care and want to see your kids die of heat stroke, etc.
Okay? Ready? Hotter year recorded? Right. Who tampered with the records? Who adjusted the records, moved the measuring devices and reported the wrong temperatures? Who shut off devices that showed lower then average temperatures an "adjusted" the records, who decided locality records have to be blended, to larger groupings? And adjusted upwards to the new record highs?
You have records established in a square in town, from the civil war era, as noted by the local newspaper, after many years of service it is replaced at a new constructed concrete patch on a new airport with jetexhaust and concrete all around. Does it now record the temperature in the downtown area? How do they compare? Now after a few years of use, they blacktop the concrete, did anything occur to change the temperatures? Was it the co2 that affected the thermometer? Or the black heatsink?
I see you following (some would say stalking) my posts with remarkable regularity. But why must you be anonymous? To avoid undoing your moderations? But you just spent it all modding me down in another thread anyway...
Come out proudly, and I'll subscribe you to my newsletter...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
There is only one reason for the White House to make such a statement. PROPAGANDA!
And any disagreement is, of course, offensive , like a slap in the face, and thus equivalent to verbal assault.
Which is still an assault and therefor must be prosecuted — because injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. In a few easy steps all haters can be sent to Gulag, problem solved.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
So you'd rather have a ban on cars than a gas tax?
sounds like you might need some CO2 yourself in the form of breathing in and out into a brown paper bag for a little while.
It's the cavalcade of meme's there! "such as pregnant women, children, the poor, the elderly, minorities, immigrants and people with disabilities". What about LBGTQ populations? Might as well throw them in to. Let me guess, the solution is to just send more cash to Washington? That's worked "so well".
In the late 1800s someone did a calculation and announced that in 150 years the world would be covered by 14 feet (?) of horseshit.
Based on human population growth, horses owned per capita, and the daily output...
And an ice sheet will collapse and make the oceans 49 feet deeper in 484 years due to atmospheric heating.
I actually think that the output of some scientific journalists and the news media ( and the UN ) will cover the earth in 14 feet of bullshit in 37 years.
Human illnesses? Physical? Mental? Is someone measuring crazy?
What about human ignorance? Another 14 feet of that on earth could be a disaster!
dipshit. you can't be transgender and cismale. pick one next time and troll better. then again, you're too stupid to understand what any of those fucking terms mean anyway. i'll be over there with my popcorn when the cisgendered hunnies can't use the restroom without showing their papers anymore.
As is traditional, you completely gloss over the respective time scales involved, as though it makes no difference whatsoever that the climate changes across 200 years versus 20,000 years. And to top it off, you add in how nice it was when no humans actually existed.
And the highly trained scientists investigating the issue have never thought of any of that because random nitwit on slashdot is smarter AND hipper than any of THEM.
Diseases no longer "creep northward".
They (new strains of Zika, dengue, antibiotic-resistant TB, norovirus, chicken pox, etc.) are brought directly to Nebraska, Montana, Wisconsin and every other place in the northern hemisphere by Central American immigrants who are not examined for disease.
I'm sorry, I just assumed no creationists debated this issue.
it's in my head
That's like saying it's okay that your house is on fire, because 7 million years ago there was an active volcano in that same spot.
This is well known among demographers: it's called the "demographic transition."
It's also temporary. This is well known to anyone familiar with evolutionary fitness.
Humans suck, burn baby burn
I think you completely misunderstand the times involved in my first post. Human civilization arose during the warm beginning of our current interglacial, 6000-10000 years ago. Humans (whilst not Sapiens, but our cousins that we've interbred with) migrated durin the Eemian 115000 years ago.
it's in my head
See, again, it looks like you're saying almost nobody is trying to do ANYTHING. It can't be surprising for me to think you're misinterpreting the existence of bad actors and loudmouths as a lack of anyone trying to actually help. You spew off exaggerated emotional appeals in an insulting tone and expect me not to think you are trying to downplay the threats, which is as much a case of bad communication than me being bad at understanding your message. If it looks like a strawman and smells like a pile of straw, I'm gonna think it's a strawman. Of course, humanity should be doing waaaay more, but not everyone has the same interests or motivations.
There _are_ people and groups who want to make actionable changes, but they are constantly fighting other people who are too comfy/greed/uninformed to go along with any plan that involves making a large switch-over to new energy sources. The media loves to sensationalize it, but you should know that isn't always the most accurate representation of what everyone thinks.
In my mind, the correct thing to do isn't pay too much attention to useless hyperbole, but actually join the conversation to help clarify what's actually going on and what needs to be done. When I see people angry at the vocal alarmists without trying to grow meaningful discourse, I can't help but feel like they are cutting off their noses to spite their face.
Way to completely avoid the point. Well done!
Second, "hottest year on record" means "this year's global average temperature was higher than anything we've ever seen before", which could just be a fluke -
No that's not what it means, the "hottest year on record" and highest global average temperature are two very different things, in most instances the average is higher either because the minimum temperatures are higher rather than the maximum temperatures are higher, or the data was adjusted.
Apocalypse Cancelled, Sorry, No Ticket Refunds
To my eyes, it appears that almost nobody actually IS actually DOING anything. It's just lots of talking/shouting at this point.
And how is wanting REAL, tangible action on climate change somehow "downplaying threats".
It's like going over to a friend's house and they're constantly bitching about the leak in the roof.
At some point, you get fed up and tell them to fix it themselves or get it fixed!
I know the problems are big.
I know the problems are VERY (VERY VERY VERY) not simple.
I just want to get *started* so we're not all just standing here 20, years from now, with our dicks in our hands, with nothing accomplished and people still screaming about the negative consequences of climate change.
I don't wanna tell my brother's kids that we're leaving them a shithole of a planet that's pretty much doomed to runaway greenhouse effect and all the nasty stuff that follows on from there.
I don't give a shit that there are still dumbfucks out there that don't believe it's happening. You can't fix stupid. And no amount of screaming at them is going to do it either. They just dig their heels in a DERP on.
So let's stop trying to negotiate with mental defectives and just get to work.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
Oh I thought the point was obvious - you seem to have a mistaken impression of the times the events I mentioned happened at.
it's in my head
Of course, the fact that he has thrown open the borders to anyone who wants in to the US, and has welcomed hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people from various places in South America - known repositories for things like Zika - without so much as a chest thump or taking a temperature, and then thoughtfully and sneakily distributed them around the country being careful hit every school district in the country - THAT has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! IT'S GLOBAL WARMING TO BLAME!
Still doesn't prove that this WILL happen, still doesn't prove that it's somehow human-caused so humans can "control" it - frankly the idea that the US government thinks it can "control" the planet's climate with regulations should terrify ANY sane human being (and does, which tells you how sane the looney left really is), or that anything we can do AT ALL will have any effect (one of their OWN studies suggested that if we did EVERYTHING the UNCC wants to do - upwards of ten or fifteen TRILLION dollars - it would affect the global temp in the next century by hundredths of a percent).
Oh, I feel so much SAFER with a genius like Obama looking after my health. After all, he did SO WELL with Obamacare...
Nope.
If you've got a point to make, try citing some genuine data.
Why would anyone engrave "Elbereth"?
Angered? No, what you've said is all mostly correct. Just largely irrelevant to what's happening today. Perhaps you have a more relevant point to make?
Why would anyone engrave "Elbereth"?
Well it's up to you to consider it relevant or irrelevant for some purpose - I made no specific point except to comment upon the parent's use of "we" and "ever".
it's in my head
not enough Marxists have been shot.
Well, the moment we can either overpower the prevailing oil interests around the world or get them to change their investment strategy over to something else, I assume much more work will be done in a much faster time period. But, hey, solar and wind is growing very quickly at least, and with electric vehicles coming out I imagine it won't be too long before it no longer makes economic sense for these slimy bastards to throw all their eggs in one oily basket. That's also the slowest way to go about slowing down climate change at the moment, unfortunately. When governments discuss carbon taxes and big climate friendly energy subsidies, you see how lots of people flip the fuck out. The most effective way to enact widespread change is the one that is fought against the most, it seems.
aaaand /. logged me out with me realizing it. Cool beans.
Nope.
If you've got a point to make, try citing some genuine data.
Et tu, Brute? no mention of minimum or maximum temperatures, only the average of the "average", everybody should know an average of the averages is statistical bullshit;
likewise no mention of adjustment methodologies, data gridding, or overall quality of the measurement; Hell they didn't even give confidence levels!
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So your objection to the claim "hottest year on record" is purely because your definition of how it should be calculated is different to NOAA's? And different to NASA, the Met Office Hadley Centre, the WMO, and the ECMWF, based on separate analyses of all three major dataset - they all agree that 2015 was the hottest year on record. Good luck convincing them that they're all wrong while your simplistic method is the only meaningful approach. Maybe start with trying to get a paper about that through peer review.
And the NOAA page I linked above has links to FAQs describing collection and processing, full datasets, and the papers describing their methodologies - all there for anyone who is interested enough to click through.
Why would anyone engrave "Elbereth"?
You have NEVER made an accurate prediction.
Racism, sexism, ageism...I don't know how y'all do it!
-young white male
Hey President 4putt, how can we make wagers on this crap...if anything the earth is going to cool down....someone needs to put up or STFU.... Oh and stop playing with the thermometers and fudging data that don't fit the redistribution plan..
Cries that "the sky is falling" from climate alarmists have been going on for more than 25 years. Every climate forecast or prediction they've made for that timeframe has failed to occur. The only thing that has been "settled" by science so far is that climate scientists can't forecast climate--not 5 years in advance, not 10 years in advance, not 25 years in advance. So, logically and scientifically, there can only be "very low confidence" in similarly-based predictions for climate 100 years or more in the future.
However, the drastic measures proposed in the name of "climate"--eliminating industries like coal, staggering increases in energy costs, etc.--are immediate, and have clear penalties such as higher poverty and unemployment, and reduced health, which will disproportionately impact the poor. The best example of this is the Democrat Clean Power Plan, which will deliberately destroy an industry and thousands of jobs, and cost hundreds of billions by 2025, while providing, at most, about 0.02C global temperature benefit by 2100.
The White House's proposed climate actions are ineffective, immoral, and foolish.
I'm sorry I can't see anywhere on the link you provided that made any mention to how the temperature is adjusted, smoothed and/or gridded, 1200Km radius for temperature stations or anything like that.
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Because you didn't look any further. Two clicks would get you here, with plenty of information on datasets and monitoring methodologies, such as that in Q6 and Q7, or to here, with links to more detailed info in Q2, Q3 and Q8.
You're welcome.
Why would anyone engrave "Elbereth"?
The speculation that it's temporary is a theory: this has not been observed.
In the long term, all populations reach equilibrium. So if the demographic transition is temporary, the temporaryness of the transition is also temporary.