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Scientists To Open Mass-Cloning Factory in China This Year To Clone Cows, Pets, Humans (express.co.uk)

An anonymous reader writes: Scientists in China are planning to open a mass-cloning factory by the end of the year. The ambitious and futuristic facility hopes to be mass-producing one million cows every 12 months by 2020. Not only will it clone cattle, but the factory, which will be located in the northern Chinese port of Tianjin, will also cater to more specific needs by genetically engineering police dogs and thoroughbred race horses. It is part of a $21m plan which is backed by the Boyalife group in collaboration with South Korean company Sooam Biotech Research Foundation.

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  1. April fools... by skaralic · · Score: 3, Informative

    April fools was 4 days ago guys...

    1. Re:April fools... by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Informative

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Be more credulous about what China is willing to do, medically.

      This is not some joke or corporate PR to gain attention just for cloned pets. This is about food production. And they will also be doing pets for rich people to fund it. And human tests. They don't have the same ethical restrictions. If they think it will help good people, then whatever harm or sacrifice is required from others is also seen as good.

      They're executing Falun Gong practitioners on demand to provide organs. Human cloning for organ harvest isn't even going to be controversial in China.

  2. Re:Is it just me...? by Flavianoep · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's just you. The world is not completely natural any more and we have been practicing artificial selection for ages.

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  3. Korral bit it from Lucille and The Comedian by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 4, Funny

    > factory to clone...humans

    Because if there's one thing the Chinese are bad at, it's producing more humans.

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    1. Re:Korral bit it from Lucille and The Comedian by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Which seems rather scary in the long run. I recall once reading something where the author speculated that one of the largest reasons for the disproportionate amount of violence in the Middle East was due to the cultural and religious customs allowing men to have multiple wives. Since almost every country has a roughly even infant sex ratio this means that there were a large number of young men who had no prospect of finding a mate which contributed to the willingness to commit violence or engage in suicide bombings.

      China might not experience the same problems or those problems in exactly the same way due to other aspects of their culture, but having a large part of the population being potentially unable to satisfy some of their most basic human desires seems like a recipe for problems down the road.

  4. Burying the (non-)lead by Daetrin · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Not only will it clone cattle, but the factory, which will be located in the northern Chinese port of Tianjin, will also cater to more specific needs by genetically engineering police dogs and thoroughbred race horses."

    It gets a brief mention in the title and then the body focuses on cows, dogs, and horses rather than the part about cloning humans???

    Actually checking TFA, it says:

    "There are currently no plans in the pipeline to clone and produce humans in a bid to eradicate disease, but Xiaochun has said that this can change if people become more open to the idea of it."

    So it sounds like the cloning humans is just a "hey, we could do this at some point" thing, and not part of the initial plan of operation?

    In any case, i'm not sure why this is a good solution to a demand for more meat. In the long run (and possibly even the short run) doing a little more research and building a cultured meat factory would probably be a lot more cost effective than cloning the entire cow.

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    1. Re:Burying the (non-)lead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm still going to start collecting locks of supermodel hair from e-bay, because I can see which way the wind is blowing.

  5. Misleading Headline (what's new) by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are currently no plans in the pipeline to clone and produce humans in a bid to eradicate disease, but Xiaochun has said that this can change if people become more open to the idea of it.

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  6. Re:You were all thinking it by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Funny

    How can we tell they're clones?

    You ask about their mother. If they promise to tell you about their mother and pull out a shotgun, it's a clone.

  7. Just one question: why? by whitroth · · Score: 3, Informative

    Is a specific cow, or pet that special? And if so, why on *earth* would you think a cloned one would act the same?

    And people... there are these people called "twins", or "triplets", etc, and they all turn out differently. What would you expect to get by cloning someone?

    And it's a long term thing, if you're cloning your favorite movie star, or politician...

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  8. Don't muddy the waters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Selective breeding is analogous to using mother nature's tools, within mother nature's workshop, to guide the otherwise natural course of evolution. That's precisely why human beings have been able to do it for ages: because it relies on nothing more than mother nature.

    Genetic engineering is something entirely different. Clearly, genetic engineering does NOT use mother nature's tools, but rather a toolkit which isn't found anywhere in nature. And clearly, genetic engineering does NOT work within the rules of mother nature's workshop, but rather outside of them completely. This is precisely why human beings have not been able to do this until very recently in the course of our technical evolution: because it requires much more than mother nature's toolkit and workshop.

    The two procedures aren't even remotely comparable, even if they do attempt to achieve a similar goal. Note that I haven't actually spoken out against genetic engineering here. I've only laid out a common-sense argument why genetic engineering isn't comparable to selective breeding.

    1. Re:Don't muddy the waters by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Selective breeding is analogous to using mother nature's tools

      The tools of genetic engineering, such as CRISPR/CAS, come from bacteria, which are also part of "Mother Nature".

      Genetic engineering is something entirely different.

      No it isn't. It is just another point on a continuum.

    2. Re: Don't muddy the waters by cfalcon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I mean, yes, but that's a definition of "natural order" that really just means "whatever the limits of physics are".

      Thus far, our actions work on a pretty damned small scale. A maniac in a story who wants to "destroy the universe" usually does so with some power that has no real world equivalent- magic, a dark god, etc. More realistic stories that still feature cartoon villains who want to "destroy the Earth" usually do so with something that could, in theory, be a risk- nuclear technology being heavily abused, a self replicating agent (gray goo, virus, bacteria, fungus), or something that could realistically exist.

      This is because our experiences show that stuff that happens on the human scale mostly stays on the human scale, and we are worried it can hit the planetary scale accidentally. We can wipe out all the bugs and mice in our house (and we want to!), but probably not the world (and we don't want to!). But we have NO reasons to believe that this observation, which has been true until this point, is actually real in the general case. The truth is, we don't know how easy it would be to "destroy the universe", and we don't understand a hell of a lot of low level physics that could point in that direction. Our best reasoning for it not being easy is that it hasn't happened yet, but this would be a much more potent observation if we could observe hundreds of hyper-advanced civilizations, all standing tribute to it being difficult to accidentally (or on purpose) blow up everything.

      Anyway, just because we are at no risk of that RIGHT NOW doesn't mean that we should continue making that assumption going forward. Existential risk from our own actions will not always be benign.

  9. Re:Is it just me...? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There were no potatoes in Ireland prior to 1589, yet there were plenty of Irish.

    Nope. Ireland was sparsely populated prior to the introduction of potatoes. Staple crops like wheat grow poorly in their cold wet climate. Potatoes had a huge effect on European history, enabling northern lands to increase in population, devote fewer workers to growing food, and invest more in commerce and military force. Power shifted from the Mediterranean to Germany, Britain, Sweden and Russia. The Reformation likely would have failed without this power shift. Nothing did more to destroy the Spanish Empire than that sack of potatoes that they brought back from Peru.

  10. Re:Cloning Pets by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The pet's personality is based on how it is treated when it is raised. simply repeat the same treatment and you will get pretty close to the same thing. I had a full breed collie for 14 years, she died of old age and we got a fresh puppy to replace her. now at a year old there are a LOT of identical behaviors in the new puppy as I am raising it the same way I raised the other. You train in the desired traits, and train out the undesired ones. It's all just dog training, you just need to be consistent.

    Now natural breeding adds in randomness. I am sure there is genetic memory that is passed down, as well as training the pup gets from it's mother for the first 10 weeks that you can not influence.

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