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Gov't Researchers Develop Wireless Car Chargers That Are Faster Than Plug-ins (computerworld.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Computerworld: The U.S. Department of Energy has demonstrated a 20,000 watt (20KW) wireless car-charging system that offers three times the efficiency of today's plug-in systems for electric vehicles (EVs). The research is the first step in creating a 50KW wireless charging system that may someday allow roadways to charge vehicles while they are being driven. The DOE's Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL) in Tennessee demonstrated the new system in partnership with Toyota, Cisco Systems, Evatran and the Clemson University International Center for Automotive Research. ORNL said the 20KW charging system for passenger cars is the world's highest power wireless system. It was developed in less than three years using a "unique architecture that included an ORNL-built inverter, isolation transformer, vehicle-side electronics and coupling technologies."

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  1. 270% efficiency by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Funny

    A Tesla charger has an efficiency of over 90%. If this charger has an efficiency three times that, then it should be above 270%. Maybe it can feed the extra 170% back into the grid.

    1. Re:270% efficiency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      TFA states 90% efficiency at 3x the rate, bad summary is bad

    2. Re:270% efficiency by ebrandsberg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it charges at 3x the rate, that implies it's ability to pull power is at least 3x what the wired charger is pulling, and it would have to pull that from... a wired connection. This implies the main problem is that the car interface is simply designed to run at a lower power level than this wireless design, and this could be corrected by bumping up the wired interface charge capacity. This is just a case of leapfrogging specs, nothing more.

    3. Re:270% efficiency by mysidia · · Score: 2, Informative

      No matter how many times more efficient a new tech is; It will never reach or exceed 100% efficiency, because thermodynamics and math say no.

      To be 3X as efficient is defined as saying the loss rate is

      So at 90% the charger has a loss of L

      Thus, if it is 3-times as efficient, then the loss rate is L = 96.66667% * j.

    4. Re:270% efficiency by tal_mud · · Score: 4, Informative

      A Tesla charger has an efficiency of over 90%. If this charger has an efficiency three times that, then it should be above 270%. Maybe it can feed the extra 170% back into the grid.

      The article poster mis-quoted the article. The article actually states: "achieved 90 percent efficiency at three times the rate". So it is the same efficiency as the tesla, but it charges three times as fast.

    5. Re:270% efficiency by michelcolman · · Score: 4, Funny

      A Tesla Supercharger charges an empty 90 kWh battery to 80% in 40 minutes. That would be 108 kW, right? And the new wireless demonstration is 20 kW, the first step into creating an unbelievable 50 kW charging system? Yawn...

      O, but of course it's wireless, so it will save you a massive amount of time! Sure, it will take an hour and 26 minutes to charge that same battery to the same 80% BUT when you have to connect to a supercharger it can take up to 60 seconds to plug in and unplug! Wireless is obviously better then.

    6. Re:270% efficiency by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Tesla chargers are 120kW, and the more common CHAdeMO used by the Nissan Leaf is 50kW in it's currently deployed form. So if they can get up to 50kW they will have matched currently available wired technology, except that 50kW is not really enough and will be replaced by 100kW+ chargers in the next few years.

      Rapid charging needs to average about 30 minutes per charge to be useful. So that means charging at 1.5C, i.e. 2x the capacity of the battery plus some extra for losses. 30 minutes is the average, if you arrive with 1% charge it will take 45 minutes but most people arrive with at least 20-30%.

      The minimum battery capacity for a mainstream vehicle seems to be about 60kWh, which will give you a solid 200 miles range under realistic conditions with some margin for safety. So the charger needs to be at least about 100kW to hit the 1.5C + losses target. That's why Tesla supply 120kW.

      This misses the point of wireless charging though. No need to plug in, just install it in car parking spaces and let the car charge for an hour or two while you go round the shops. 20kW is actually already quite adequate for this. I regularly charge at 7kW when shopping.

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  2. Three times the efficiency?? Not likely by Wheels17 · · Score: 2

    The actual quote from the article is " achieved 90 percent efficiency at three times the rate of the plug-in systems commonly used for electric vehicles today.", not three times the efficiency. They're comparing the charger to a typical home charger. Which is meaningless since the system isn't limited by the connection to the car. And think about it. 10% loss of charging energy so you don't have to go to all the trouble of plugging it in? What a waste of our tax dollars.

  3. Interference potential by bromoseltzer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can't find any clue as to what frequency is being used for the charger. The prospect of 50 kW of power in your garage or wherever is worrying, despite being "well shielded". Even if it's a lower frequency (in the kHz range), there will be harmonics all over the spectrum, putting radio amateurs and anyone else using sensitive radio gear in a bind.

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    1. Re:Interference potential by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      At 50KW? Never mind radio amateurs - you'll need a 'no pacemakers' sign on the garage.

    2. Re:Interference potential by nukenerd · · Score: 2

      You will need a No Pacemaker sign at the end of the street.

  4. sloppy summary by locketine · · Score: 2

    The wireless charging system is not faster than all plug-in chargers, just the ones commonly used at home. The charge stations available commercially are faster and the article mentions this. It is also not three times more efficient, it's 3x faster than the home charging systems. It's 90% percent efficient, which is impressive but I seriously doubt any charging system is only 30% efficient.

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  5. Re:Wireless charging is probably dangerous by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's an abundance of research showing that strong electric and magnetic fields can be hazardous.

    No there isn't.

    It's also been shown that too much exposure [to MRI] causes cancer.

    Total BS.

  6. Re:Wireless charging is probably dangerous by cheater512 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Who said a MRI is dangerous? Thousands of people have them every day with no increase in cancer risk.

    If you bring a large chunk of metal in to the room then sure it's dangerous but that's more to do with the metal flying physically towards a magnet rather than cancer.

  7. 10% loss!! by thesupraman · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes yes, terrible summary.

    The 'fun' part is the 10% coupling waste (versus I would imagine much less than 1% for plugin charging).
    Remember, we are not talking about the battery charge efficiency here, their 10% is just for the transfer of power to the car..

    So, thats 'only' 2kw continuous loss. Thank god everyone is converting their houses to LED lighting, which still wont
    offset the losses here.

    Go Progress!

    1. Re:10% loss!! by skids · · Score: 2

      1% is a bit optimistic... not for coupling loss but for the loss of AC-AC voltage conversion to get across the wire without cooking it or generating insane magnetic fields.

      10% is undoubtably worse than the state of the art for plug-in systems, but already better than plug-in systems used to be some decade or so back,

    2. Re:10% loss!! by thesupraman · · Score: 2

      Why on earth would you think you need AC-AC conversion for a connector?
      The battery management is going to take care of the battery charging, and thats a set amount of loss (it doesnt care how the power gets to it..)
      The charger unit itself can be designed to produce whatever voltage makes sense to drive the battery controller.
      In a direct connection system, that connection will be at that sensible voltage, and believe it or not, to push power (even 20kw)
      down a nice fat conductor does not need any fancy conversion so long as the voltages are sane anyway (which they are for car
      charging).

      As an example, a Tesla battery is a 375v battery (pack of course, not cell).
      at 20kW thats 53A, not tiny but not huge.
      1% loss is 200W, which at 53A is 3.77V, in other words 0.27 ohms.
      Thats not a big challenge for a reasonably designed high current connection.
      Standard NEMA connections will do 600V 60A, and pin and sleeve go to 400A+...
      Tesla pushed 125Kw+ through its connector for supercharger stations, so 20kW is going to be rather low loss.

      However this system is very VERY different, its losses are magnetic, and they are impressed with themselves with having only 10% loss..
      That should tell you something.

    3. Re:10% loss!! by AaronW · · Score: 2

      The loss when charging my Tesla at 20KW through the cable is fairly minimal. There is an 8V drop between the meter and the shutoff switch in my garage over a 100 foot run, but the drop between that and my car going through the flexible wire is fairly minimal, maybe a volt. The cable gets warm, though not uncomfortably so. One of these days I need to track down where the 8v drop is coming from. At 10KW the drop is negligible.

      Personally I don't see much need for wireless charging, at least for Tesla. The Tesla connector is much nicer than the J1772 connector. The mechanical design of the connector funnels it into place, rotating it as needed in the process so the connector is basically self-aligning.

      It takes me under 5 seconds to plug my car in, including the time spent taking two steps back from the driver side door when I get out of my car. It isn't critical how I park my car, and when I pull my car out of my garage there's nothing on the floor when I back out. There's nothing added under the car either, no extra weight or complexity, nor anything reducing the clearance between the battery and the road.

      10% loss at 20KW is still a lot. It's like having a 2000 watt heater in the garage while charging, in addition to the heat generated by charging the car.

      I usually charge my car at 10KW since the loss is significantly less (loss due to current is non-linear).

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    4. Re:10% loss!! by Firethorn · · Score: 2

      The battery management is going to take care of the battery charging, and thats a set amount of loss (it doesnt care how the power gets to it..)

      Actually, like computer power supplies providing DC, that depends on how much power they're using - efficiency varies depending on the load. For example, I've read that Teslas are about 70-80% efficient with a 120V 15A connection, but reach ~90% with a 240V 50A connection.

      The losses aren't solely in the wiring, but also in the DC conversion system.

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  8. Extremely dangerous by burtosis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    50kw, or even 20kw is extremely dangerous to couple. Outside of the leaking RF spectrum possibly interfering with electronics, the danger is something with a similar resonant field could be nearby and absorb some of that power. Even just a few tens of watts could start a fire. They probably need something akin to a gfci circuit that monitors the power in and out precisely and if something is absorbing power that shouldn't be, notice the discrepancy and terminate the charge.

    The actual picture is pretty funny, with a ginormous briefcase put under the back of the vehicle, a mere 2 inches above the similar unit embedded in the floor. No way is that remotely practical, they would need to increase the air gap by at least triple, to 5x+ to properly mount it under reasonable vehicles. To keep the same coupling, the size would then have to be increased substantially. Further there is no way in hell that is working while you drive, it has to be precisely aligned which isn't going to happen period, even at stoplights. I could see it embedded into a garage stall, or even a parking stall outdoors, perhaps, but alignment would be a major issue and one that is not being addressed at this stage from anything I can gather.

    1. Re:Extremely dangerous by petermgreen · · Score: 2

      There was an old rule-of-thumb in the electrical trades. A million volts won't do anything, but an Amp will kill you.

      And it's one of those sayings with a grain of truth in it but which misleads more than it helps.

      What actually matters is the current through the body. As a general rule in power systems, a higher voltage means a higher current through the body, the operating current of the system is mostly irrelevent.

      I'd hate to see the safety guidelines on a 20,000 (or 50,000) watt connector.

      On a three phase system with 230V from phase to neutral and 400V from phase to phase 20kW is about 30 amps per phase. 50kW is about 72A per phase. That's within the range of normal industrial plugs and sockets. For example IEC 60309 connectors come in 16A, 32A, 63A and 125A.

      The main thing you have to worry about on high current plugs and sockets is arcing from connection/disconnection under load. The 63A and 125A variants of IEC60309 connectors have a pilot contact that can optionally be used to detect someone trying to unplug the connector and drop the power.

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  9. Re:Wireless charging is probably dangerous by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 2

    I think they usually monitor the procedure in real-time, adjusting the area being scanned, etc. I can't imagine why having a computer in the same room as a 1.5T superconducting magnet would be a bad idea...

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  10. Re:Wireless charging is probably dangerous by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 3, Funny

    There's an abundance of research showing that strong electric and magnetic fields can be hazardous.

    Sure, like the electric field formed between clouds and the Earth, but only if you happen to be around when the field discharges.

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  11. Re:I have to call BS by aXis100 · · Score: 3, Informative

    You do realise that inside many DC-DC converters, and indeed inside all of the power transformers between the power station and your house, there are magnetically coupled coils that effectively transfer the energy "wirelessly".

    The difference in this case is using an air cored coil at a greater distance. It's definitely harder to make them efficient but they have clearly shown great potential here, with 90% efficiency versus DC-DC converters at 95% and regular transformers at 98%.

  12. Re:Wireless charging is probably dangerous by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 2

    As long as there is a properly installed quench tube to vent the boiling Helium and prevent it from filling the room, I don't see how a quench can kill or injure someone.

    What would make sense is that someone went near the scanner with something magnetic, injuring/killing themselves or someone else, and resulting in an emergency shutdown of the field (i.e. a quench).

    Alkaline batteries are dangerous too, if I eat them.

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  13. Re: Wireless charging is probably dangerous by scrote-ma-hote · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not MRIs. When I did a paediatric anaesthesia fellowship we would routinely sit in the room for the scan. Think cardiac MRIs requiring breath holds. The techs sit outside the room cause they need to use computers to run the scanner and also it's really (unpleasantly Even with quality ear protection) noisy. Plus something about pressure in the room that I never understood.

  14. In soviet Russia.... by LordHighExecutioner · · Score: 2

    ...government charges YOU!!!

  15. Cherry picking numbers by nomaddamon · · Score: 2

    20kw is nowhere near three times the efficiency of an average charger.

    Home chargers for Tesla offer 20kw (22kw in EU) for usual setup.
    Superchargers offer a lot more - 135kw for Tesla superchargers, 50kw for regular EU charging stations.

  16. 3 times the plug-in charger rate is incorrect by misnohmer · · Score: 2

    Tesla Model S was the best selling EV in the US last year (yes, it outsold the next best - the Leaf, in number of units, not just sales $) - source http://insideevs.com/monthly-p....

    Typical home charger for a Tesla is the mobile connector which delivers 10KW charging from a dryer outlet. Owners have an option to install a 20KW Tesla plug-in charger in their garages, which many people do. Tesla plug-in "superchargers" charge up to 120KW, so 20KW wireless is not 3 times the rate of any of those plug-in chargers (it's actually only 1/6th of the most powerful one). It probably is 3x the rate of the original, discontinued a couple of years ago, RAV4 EV charger, but saying it's 3x the rate of plug-in chargers used today is incorrect. Lastly, there are public chargers limited to ~6.6KW, but their limit is not because of the fact that they are wired, it's mostly their power source (the J1772 connector used by most of those can handle up to 20KW).

  17. Re:Wireless charging is probably dangerous by Duhavid · · Score: 2

    It would not need to be "magnetic" ( assuming you mean ferrous ), only conducting.
    An aluminum bolt/rod/whatever in your person would still conduct, and moving thru a magnetic field, would have current induced in it.
    That current, having nothing to do, would likely heat the component in question.

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  18. Beware totalitarinism by mi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is awesome news, but there is a threat here:

    may someday allow roadways to charge vehicles while they are being driven

    I'm fairly certain, that future technology will not allow anonymous charging. It could, but it will not — for the same gratuitous reasons you can't use and recharge a toll-paying transponder anonymously (the way you could use a phone-calling card, for example), but must associate it with both yourself and your car. (Well, New Hampshire, sort of, makes it possible to avoid providing your name, but the cars must still be listed in advance.)

    And it is increasingly impossible to drive in certain places without such a transponder, which is, of course, routinely used for surveillance.

    As happened with electronic toll-paying, the on-the-road charging too will go from optional to mandatory. Manufacturers will reduce the battery-sizes in many models to save weight and space — and how much of a charge do you need to get from the powered highway to your home (over unpowered streets), right? Effective tracking of your car will become possible. Worse, it may also become possible to remotely disable your car by revoking your access to these chargers.

    Today's concerns over license-plate readers may then appear naively quaint...

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  19. Re:Wireless charging is probably dangerous by pesho · · Score: 2

    Then why do radiologists always stand behind lead-lined walls/glass when they operate the machines?

    Radiologist doing MRI do not stand behind lead lined glass. The reason they stand outside of the imaging room is to keep sensitive equipment (computers) out of the magnetic field and prevent random pieces of metal in their pockets from accelerating towards the patient. You must be mixing MRI (magnetic resonance imaging, which uses nuclear magnetic resonance) with CT (computer tomography, which uses relatively high intensity X-ray).