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FBI Telling Congress How It Hacked iPhone (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: According to a new report in National Journal, the FBI has already briefed Senator Diane Feinstein (D-CA) on the methods used to break into the iPhone at the center of Apple's recent legal fight. Senator Richard Burr (R-NC) is also scheduled to be briefed on the topic in the days to come. [Feinstein and Burr are both working on a new bill to limit the use of encryption in consumer technology, expected to be made public in the weeks to come.] The disclosures come amid widespread calls for the attack to be made public, particularly from privacy and technology groups. However the FBI's new method works, the ability to unlock an iPhone without knowing its passcode represents a significant break in Apple's security measures, one Apple would surely like to protect against if it hasn't already. Just days after the FBI broke into the terrorist's iPhone, the FBI told law enforcement agencies it would assist them with unlocking phones and other electronic devices. We still do not know how the iPhone was hacked, nor do we know how many iPhones may be able to be unlocked from the hack. The FBI did tell USA Today the hack has not been used in any other case beyond San Bernardino.

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  1. Diane Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The queen of "laws for thee, but not for me."

    Guns? Why, those should be illegal! But I'm going to need some armed guards for myself, of course.

    Encryption? Consumers can't be allowed to have that! Now how do I configure my secure Senate email account?

    What a hypocritical cunt.

    1. Re:Diane Feinstein by ArylAkamov · · Score: 4, Insightful

      She is the QUEEN of hypocritical, scaremongering cunts. Naturally it would be her trying to limit this NEW TERRORIST CRIMINAL ENABLING technology.

    2. Re:Diane Feinstein by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I want to just give you a personal anecdote about terrorism, because less than 20 years ago, I was the target of a terrorist group. It was the New World Liberation Front. They blew up power stations and put a bomb at my home when my husband was dying of cancer. And the bomb was set to detonate at two o'clock in the morning, but it was a construction explosive that doesn't detonate when it drops below freezing. It doesn't usually freeze in San Francisco, but on this night, it dropped below freezing, and the bomb didn't detonate. I was very lucky. But, I thought of what might have happened. Later the same group shot out all the windows of my home. And, I know the sense of helplessness that people feel. I know the urge to arm yourself, because that's what I did. I was trained in firearms. I'd walk to the hospital when my husband was sick. I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out, I was going to take them with me.

      - Diane Feinstein, Concealed Weapons Permit holder. Concealed permits and firearm ownership was all fine and welcome and useful for Diane when she felt threatened, but we can't have the general public enjoying such luxury to protection...

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    3. Re:Diane Feinstein by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't know much about this women so won't defend her, but as a gender point can't politicians change their minds? Maybe she decided that carrying a gun was mostly ineffective or even made things worse overall. Not saying she did, but I know there is stuff I did 20 years ago that I wouldn't do today.

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  2. we do not even know IF the phone was hacked by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    so we can't even talk about anything further.

    who is going to tell us the honest truth? all we get is the dishonest truth from every 'official' that speaks up about this.

    disinformation and even more disinformation. you'd be nuts to take anything on face value, given what's at stake.

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    1. Re:we do not even know IF the phone was hacked by rch7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The honest truth is that nothing on Internet or phone or computer is private. You must be nuts to believe in some overhyped security illusion on inherently insecure interconnected devices.

      Ironically, what Apple has achieved is that it will not be able to fix its security issues. The exploits are going to be sold to law enforcement agencies, or just anybody ready to pay around the world, for big money and kept secret. Maybe the times when such bugs were send to vendor for free for fixing are long gone anyway, but such cases make it even worse.

    2. Re:we do not even know IF the phone was hacked by somenickname · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We also don't know if the device *needed* to be hacked by a third party. To me it looked like the FBI wanted a precedent, realized it might not get the one it wanted and then decided to back down with a, "Oh, wait, we found another way" story.

      You know it's scary times when the guy wearing the tinfoil hat is starting to seem like the most sane person in the room.

  3. More alarming than the "hack"... by TigerPlish · · Score: 5, Insightful

    More alarming than the hack is the following bit in TFS:

    [Feinstein and Burr are both working on a new bill to limit the use of encryption in consumer technology, expected to be made public in the weeks to come.]

    The "hack", as I understand, was on an 5C, which is weak by comparison to the 5S and beyond. Non-event.

    But the bit I quoted? Really? Limit what encryption consumers can have? I find that more alarming than "old-ass insecure phone got cracked."

    I hope this dies a flaming painful death before it goes anywhere.

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    1. Re:More alarming than the "hack"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, Apple, Google, Microsoft, Blackberry, etc should all come out publicly and say
      "We will produce secure encryption for the rest of the world, however the US government has mandated that US citizens are only entitled to 2nd best, now here is a list of YOUR representatives who voted for the bill"

      If the representative were Named, Shamed and Blamed they might just loose their cushy jobs.

    2. Re:More alarming than the "hack"... by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Banning encryption would be unconstitutional.

      Lol, and what's your point? It's not going to stop scumbags like Feinstein and Burr. The Constitution is optional for people like them.

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    3. Re:More alarming than the "hack"... by swb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Be careful, or they will outlaw mathematics.

    4. Re:More alarming than the "hack"... by sjames · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We are not the worst! Yeah USA!

      I that really your yardstick for excellence?

    5. Re:More alarming than the "hack"... by jonwil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah the problem is that governments and law enforcement.intelligence agencies want the ability to build an even bigger haystack to search through when what they SHOULD be doing is hiring more guys with the skills to find the needles in the haystack they already have.

      More money spent on HUMINT and less spent collecting every piece of data in the known universe might actually lead to the next guys who want to blow up a sports stadium or an airport or a train station or a skyscraper being caught BEFORE they do whatever evil things they plan to do.

  4. Diane Feinstein - Queen of a fascist state by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Diane Fienstein was born in the wrong country

    She fits much more snugly in a fascist state

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    1. Re:Diane Feinstein - Queen of a fascist state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Then she is in the right country.

  5. We need phones running OpenBSD. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's becoming clearer every day that we need phones that run OpenBSD. The OpenBSD developers have showed us time and time again that they're completely dedicated to writing damn secure software. They will even fork, fix and maintain software written by other projects if it doesn't meet their high standards, like we've seen them do with their LibreSSL project.

    This is exactly the kind of thing that Mozilla could do to redeem themselves. Instead of wasting so much time and effort on Firefox OS, they could have instead provided the resources necessary to get OpenBSD to run well on Nexus phones. It's clear that Mozilla doesn't have much of a chance when it comes to the web these days, after how they've driven away so many Firefox users with unwanted and unnecessary changes. But Mozilla could reinvent itself as a provider of secure consumer-oriented software.

  6. Re:FBI hack should not be made public by xaosflux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because Apple helps to fund the FBI, the FBI doesn't help to fund Apple.

  7. The whole issue by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That this episode of the FBI vs Apple has come to public attention proves that the FBI is grossly incompetent. When the public (and therefor terrorists) no longer believes that phone information is absolutely safe, other means of communication will be used: government loses a powerful tool against its enemies. This is a hideous strategic blunder.

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  8. Feinstein and Burr are scum by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Feinstein and Burr are both working on a new bill to limit the use of encryption in consumer technology, expected to be made public in the weeks to come."

    Not only is this extremely stupid and utterly unworkable, but fuck these two maggots who think that it's their right to weaken our privacy.

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  9. Re:FBI hack should not be made public by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Do privacy concerns come before finding the bomb before it detonates?

    Yes, they do...

    If you don't have principles to stand on, then you stand for nothing and will fall, sooner or later.

  10. Re:FBI hack should not be made public by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As with most theoretical ethics problems, it only seems as if there is a conflict because the proposed scenario is too vague. This is why I find philosophy irritating sometimes, once you define enough details (as you would have in a real world scenario) you'll often find that the "right" thing to do is less ambiguous than it seems.

    How do we know there is a nuke that is about to go off at all, if we don't know where it is? How did we locate the person who delivered the bomb in the first place? We were tracking them closely enough to know that they planted the bomb, but not closely enough to know where? How do we know that the location and the disarming codes are on the iPhone at all? What kind of guarantees do we have that if we do get into the iPhone we can stop the bomb going off in time anyway?

    If we have a 100%, no bones about it, guarantee that gaining access to this one particular iPhone will prevent a nuke going off somewhere, then by all means, break into this particular iPhone. But you'll never have that kind of guarantee, so people will always argue that we need to be able to get into all the iPhones just in case.

    This is always the problem with this kind of reasoning, it leads inexorably to mass surveillance: "We have to watch everybody because somebody, somewhere, at some time will do something dangerous, and this is the only way to stop them." How about: most people are good, so let them be free.

    I'd rather die in a nuclear blast in a free country, than live a long life in a police state. The real fight is not to prevent deaths due to terrorism, the real fight is to prevent terrorists from changing who we are. They can only win that fight if we let them.

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  11. Re:FBI hack should not be made public by chihowa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most people are "cut you off in traffic" assholes, not "plant a nuclear bomb in downtown Manhattan" assholes. Most people are good in that they're not violent criminals, even if they are uncourteous (and Americans are not even close to being the most uncourteous people in the world).

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