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Donald Trump's 'Nuclear' Uncle (newyorker.com)

An anonymous reader writes: In 1936 a reporter watched Donald Trump's uncle John, an MIT professor of engineering, as he was struck by two high-voltage sparks while demonstrating the grounding of an new X-ray machine which could generate a million volts of power. And immediately after Nikola Tesla's death in 1943, the FBI called John G. Trump to review the scientific papers Tesla left behind, according to a new article in The New Yorker. They joke that now John's nephew Donald "seldom sounds as ungrounded as when he invokes Professor Trump, the younger brother of his father, Fred," while campaigning for president. But while comparing the candidate's statements to the historical record, they conclude that "John Trump really does seem to have been a brilliant scientist," noting that he performed both radar and short-wave research for the allies during World War II and helped design medical X-ray machines.

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  1. Chaotic Systems by BitZtream · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Trump is surely a very intelligent person.

    However, a lot of things go into making us who we are by the time we get to his age, and even the tiniest of silly little things 40 years ago can cause an otherwise intelligent person to pick up some silly and outright wrong logic.

    Its all a matter of perspective and his has simply had some bad data feeds which resulted in him becoming what he is today.

    The man is not stupid and he is not 'wrong' in every way. He is wrong IN A WHOLE BUNCH OF IMPORTANT WAYS, but not every one.

    Replace the word Trump in this post with Clinton, Sanders, YourLastName and it still applies all the same.

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    1. Re:Chaotic Systems by BitZtream · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Before the replies about it come in, you do realize the point of posting this on the slashdot front page was to get page views as people ranting about Trump and the political flame wars that follow.

      At no point did anyone involved in posting this story actually give a fuck that Fred Trump was a major asset to our species. Lets remember where we are and stay focused.

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    2. Re:Chaotic Systems by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      The man is not stupid and he is not 'wrong' in every way. He is wrong IN A WHOLE BUNCH OF IMPORTANT WAYS, but not every one.

      Replace the word Trump in this post with Clinton, Sanders, YourLastName and it still applies all the same.

      That is only because everyone has their own points of view and opinions on things and most people tend to think that anyone who feels differently than them must be "wrong".

      All of those people are foolish, because if you cling to your opinions that tightly, then you'll defend them even if presented with hard evidence that you are mistaken.

      You are not, or perhaps should not be, your opinions. Most of us believe what we do because of how we were raised and what we were taught.

      Most people are not really aware of the fact that had we been born in another place, or another time, we would be completely different people. You know what you know and don't know what you don't know.

    3. Re:Chaotic Systems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Try a million watts of power, but more likely, a million volts of potential.

    4. Re:Chaotic Systems by Idou · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      even the tiniest of silly little things 40 years ago can cause an otherwise intelligent person to pick up some silly and outright wrong logic.

      My observation is that an easy life of wealth and privilege has an almost 100% probability of creating a piece of shit human being. . . You don't have to wait 40 years, either. Donald reminds me of a couple of guys I new back in middle school. . .

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    5. Re:Chaotic Systems by hey! · · Score: 1

      I have no way of telling whether he's intelligent or not; what I do think is that he's insecure and defensive. It's often the case that people perform below their intellectual capacity simply because they're immature.

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    6. Re:Chaotic Systems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How many refugees can we sign you up for? Illegal aliens? All of their financial, legal and medical needs will be met solely by you.

      What's that? You want everyone else to take on this burden instead of you?

      Then please don't proselytize at me about how I'm wrong for not agreeing to this burden so you can earn XP to move up the progressive stack on tumblr.

    7. Re:Chaotic Systems by wallsg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What's really sad is that now you don't have "opponents", you have "enemies".

      Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill were two men with diametrically opposed beliefs and politics, but they did not hate each other. They were opponents, not enemies. They respected each other and were friendly, though not really the "friends" that some people see in the glow of nostalgia. They both believed in doing the best thing for the country and each knew that's what the other was trying to do too. They just had opposing views of what was best.

      That doesn't happen today. People seem to believe that things are a zero-sum game where the only way they can profit is to take from you and the that only way you can profit is to take from them. If they won, then you lost. Nothing is a Win-Win. You must crush your enemy. (And probably drive them before you so you can hear the lamentations of their women.)

      When asked about what "enemies" she'd made in her political carrier that she was proud of, one of Hillary's answers was "the Republicans." (The Republicans aren't much better, unfortunately.) Now why on Earth should anyone who considers themself a Republican have any trust in or respect for someone who says that you and they are "enemies"? Even crazy Uncle Joe [Biden] doesn't consider Republicans as "enemies" (though I doubt they're the "friends" he claims they are).

    8. Re:Chaotic Systems by shawn2772 · · Score: 1

      My observation is that an easy life of wealth and privilege has an almost 100% probability of creating a piece of shit human being

      We all have easy lives of wealth and privilege compared to our ancestors of a few generations ago. What does that make us?

    9. Re:Chaotic Systems by Idou · · Score: 1

      It is a very simple difference. . . is your life easier because of technology that everyone has access to or because you can afford to shit on others and surround yourself with yes-men?

      Some types of lifestyles can really fuck you up in the head. It is like child acting stars. . .

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    10. Re:Chaotic Systems by quantaman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Trump is surely a very intelligent person.

      I don't know about this.

      Scott Adams seems to think Trump is a "master persuader" and I do agree he seems to have some genuine talent to appeal to his base that other candidates lack but I don't think it's necessarily intelligence.

      I really think the core of his appeal is just saying the first thing that comes to mind and not care about offending people. That's why he's able to come up with memorable insults (or uncommon yet popular policy positions), it's because he's saying the things everyone has noticed but hasn't said out of politeness or practicality. I think the reason we haven't seen other people use this strategy is the problem he's hitting now. Offending so many people creates a ceiling of support and it's really tough for him to get more votes (or have a future in politics if that were his career).

      As for his intellect in general, I think he's at least average intelligence, he did get a university degree and probably became pretty competent in real estate and some aspects of business, but otherwise I don't see any evidence of high intelligence, especially not in what he says.

      The fact he shares 25% of his genes with a smart physicist is an interesting tidbit, though it doesn't really mean he's smart himself.

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    11. Re:Chaotic Systems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Do not confuse the Trump you see on TV with who he really is. That is a fabrication. He says crazy off the wall things to draw attention to the fact he wants to negotiate. He has written whole books on the fact he likes to do that.

      He is making you think past the sale with anchoring. It is a sales technique.

      Take for example his 'i am going to build a wall'. It is ridiculous and stupid on all levels. It is plainly stupid, he knows it. However it makes you think what could we do to stop the wall what sorts of things can we do to make other barriers. It makes Mexico think 'he might cut off our aid we better do *something*'. That is what he is doing.

      Another example is NATO. He is saying he wants to pull out. That will make Europe think 'oh wait we actually do like having a military'. We are basically subsidizing Europe's military. It is a key component of the Marshall plan. After two wars our leaders were tired of being brought into a fight and wanted to smash it out before it started. It is one of the reasons it is much harder to get a gun in Europe. Not because they are socially advanced. We defanged Europe. Trump is trying to flip that around and make them pay for it.

      Basic sales. Do not open with what you want. Ask for the moon. If you are trying to get the moon ask for the solar system. Work your way back into what you want plus some. If you are not negotiating for the moon then you are the sucker. It is used to see what your minimum bid is. If your minimum is nothing then you do not want to negotiate and he has no need of you.

    12. Re:Chaotic Systems by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      I think you're entirely correct.

      The problem is, as Reagan also found out with his nuclear brinksmanship, is that not everyone understands what you mean, and they expect you to do exactly what you say you are going to do.

      Brinksmanship and hard negotiation is just as effective in politics and diplomacy as in business, but there are dimensions to it that make it incredibly dangerous.

      While Trump thinks he's negotiating for a better deal, the people who are turning out for him are loading up with spades and rifles, ready to help build the wall and shoot anyone who tries to climb it. They believe him. And they won't rest until he starts deporting Muslims and turning the border into a hunting zone. If Trump can't do it himself, they'll "helpfully" get to work making it happen for him, despite what those obstructionists in Washington are trying to do to stop it.

    13. Re:Chaotic Systems by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 1

      Can you really blame her, though?

      Because it really isn't about her. Like a lot of other people, I used to think it was (at least in part). That was one reason I thought Obama would be the better choice in 2008, because he wouldn't have the baggage of all that vitriol from the Clinton years. But then he was elected, and guess what - we just got more of the same, despite his repeated efforts to offer just about any concession short of capitulation. You can argue that the demonization and demagoguing didn't come from the politicians, but does it really matter in the end? If those politicians are beholden to their constituents, and those constituents are demanding exactly that, I'd argue that's actually worse, because it's far more systemic.

      In short, why do politicians have enemies? Because that's what the most active and vocal voting blocs are demanding.

    14. Re:Chaotic Systems by Gussington · · Score: 1

      What's really sad is that now you don't have "opponents", you have "enemies".

      Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill were two men with diametrically opposed beliefs and politics, but they did not hate each other. They were opponents, not enemies.

      Funny thing about enemies is that the reason they hate each so much is usually because they are so similar.
      When I went to school, you'd end up on detention with the guy you had a fight with, and by the end of it you were usually mates. Something about being stuck in a room without all the external bullshit, peer pressure, cultural expectation etc, makes you actually see a person for who they are, ie just like you.
      It'd be interesting to force the two party leaders into a big brother style share-house for a week and see what comes out of it. I can't imagine it would make the current political landscape any worse, but based on my school experience it could improve things dramatically.

    15. Re:Chaotic Systems by Luctius · · Score: 1

      Ok, you have identified some issues on which you agree with him that they are a problem. Nice. But that is only the first step. Now the important questions, do you approve of his solution and do you think your candidate can manage implementing those solutions. My problem Trump and his ilk is that they either fail to provide a solution or it is completely bonkers.

    16. Re:Chaotic Systems by jandersen · · Score: 1

      The fact he shares 25% of his genes with a smart physicist is an interesting tidbit, though it doesn't really mean he's smart himself.

      I think, when we talk about genes, it is always worth remembering that we share some ninety-odd percent of our genes with the (other) apes; apparently, 25% is how much we have in common with a banana (unless this is an urban myth). The point being that 25% is not a lot.

      Trump may well be highly intelligent - low intelligence means you probably stay ignorant most of your life, high intelligence enables you to learn how to avoid taking in facts that you don't like. This kind of selective ignorance is what I call stupidity (as opposed to simple ignorance; perhaps there is better word, but I haven't come across it yet): it is something that requires a lot of intellectual effort. It is also very dangerous.

    17. Re:Chaotic Systems by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      My problem Trump and his ilk is that they either fail to provide a solution or it is completely bonkers.

      You mean like Sander's wants the middle class to pay for everyone to get a college education? Or Hillary who couldn't even provide proper security to her Embassy's while SoS?

      At least Trump comes up with solutions, where are your solutions to these issues? Building a wall with Mexico? About damn time! That border has been so permeable for so long, it is amazing that there haven't been more terror attacks in the US. Do you complain about all the European countries securing their borders against the Syrian refugee invasion?

      What other proposals do you have issue with, so you can be educated on them properly?

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  2. Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Volt isn't a unit of power..

    1. Re:Meh by Streetlight · · Score: 2

      Volt isn't a unit of power..

      Exactly. What was the current? No current, no power.

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    2. Re:Meh by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      You're right, but when you say "a million volts of electromotive force", people just start to doze off...

    3. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Technically it isn't a 'force', it is a 'potential'.

    4. Re:Meh by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2

      I you take the gadient of a potential, you get force.

    5. Re:Meh by Njovich · · Score: 1

      Just be happy they didn't pick Dollar as the unit of power.

    6. Re:Meh by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Why? It seems like the dollar can make anything move, if you apply enough of them.

  3. Anti-Trump insults masquerading as "jokes". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can we please stop with the submissions that contain anti-Trump insults disguised as "jokes"? There was just one a few hours ago, for crying out loud!

    Look, I don't support Donald Trump, and I don't particularly like his policies. But the last thing I want to read when I come to Slashdot is some snide swipe at him.

    He clearly represents the views held by a lot of Americans, perhaps even the majority of them, even if they can't come out and admit this publicly. He will likely be the next president.

    If it weren't for that pathetic, childish jab at Donald Trump, this would be a really interesting submission about a very interesting scientific figure from history. But that stupid partisan attack ruins the submission.

    Please, Slashdot, can we stop with this nonsense? Can we have objective submissions that aren't peppered with anti-Trump messages?

    1. Re:Anti-Trump insults masquerading as "jokes". by Xabraxas · · Score: 5, Informative

      He will likely be the next president.

      Not likely buddy. Whenever I hear this I am reminded how the average American is not very dialed into politics. Trump is underwater nationally in likability in EVERY demographic. 70% of women won't vote for him. That is devastating in itself. I'm guessing this is one of the reason's he generates so much conversation. There are a lot of people out there who think this is more than a sideshow and they need to be brought to reality. This is JUST A SIDESHOW. Unless Trump wins 1237 delegates he WILL NOT be the nominee. It's not going to happen. I think he will have a tough time getting the necessary delegates now that the establishment is getting behind another guy who will never be president.

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    2. Re:Anti-Trump insults masquerading as "jokes". by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1, Informative

      Please, Slashdot, can we stop with this nonsense? Can we have objective submissions that aren't peppered with anti-Trump messages?

      Probably not. How about we have a few that swipe at Clinton to even things out?

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      What is sad about the whole thing is that I objectively can find good things about each person on each side, and bad things about each person on each side.

      None of them are the Devil Incarnate, and none of them are the second coming of Jesus.

      Yet to listen to the supporters on either side, you'd think that was so.

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      But this is why I can't be President, even if I think I'd do a great job. Because my first task would be to sit down and whiteboard all the ideas from both sides and figure out what ideas are good and bad without caring if there is an R or a D in front of them.

    3. Re: Anti-Trump insults masquerading as "jokes". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Actually, the GOP has discussed options to not recognize Trump even if he hits the delegate criteria.

      The GOP ultimately has control of who they want, and they don't have to recognize the voters, just like the electoral college for voting in the President.

      It's an oligarchy, and voting is mostly a farce. "Here are a few candidates we're ok with, you can pick between them. Oh, you want someone else? Nope."

    4. Re:Anti-Trump insults masquerading as "jokes". by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      If he becomes candidate, he has managed one thing: showing to the world what an unfair and outdated system the US parties have for selecting their nominees. I mean common, in some caucuses they even tossed coins in order to find out whether this caucus voted for bernie or for hillary. And every time the result was hillary, how big is the chance for this?

      Australia has a very good system, they force people to vote. Democracy shouldn't be about who can get the most angry people behind them.

    5. Re:Anti-Trump insults masquerading as "jokes". by dadelbunts · · Score: 1

      Whats sad is i find the far right alot more accepting of different ideas than the left. I can tell a right wing conservative that i like smoking weed and support health care and while they might disagree with me, most likely wont insult me. I tell a left wing liberal i support the 2nd Amendment and own a semi automatic rifle and they literally tell me they wish my whole family would die.

    6. Re:Anti-Trump insults masquerading as "jokes". by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Look, there is little sensible to do with the US presidential election than to mock it and its protagonists. It's not like it matters which of the muppets are going to win, so let us at least have fun with it, ok? It's not like we get anything else out of the whole shit.

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    7. Re:Anti-Trump insults masquerading as "jokes". by Livius · · Score: 1

      How is this "anti-Trump"? It's one of the least negative things I've seen associated with Trump's name since whenever his last business failure was.

      Though, of course, that's because it's about a different person and not *about* Trump in any way.

    8. Re:Anti-Trump insults masquerading as "jokes". by Livius · · Score: 1

      With a few lunatic fringe exceptions, no-one thinks Trump is a good candidate. But to certain voters, he seems like the only one interested in their issues, even though his 'solutions' are obviously terrible. Counter-intuitive though it may be, the candidate with the bad policy wins against the candidate unwilling to address the issue at all.

      So, it depends who he runs against.

    9. Re:Anti-Trump insults masquerading as "jokes". by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Whats sad is i find the far right alot more accepting of different ideas than the left. I can tell a right wing conservative that i like smoking weed and support health care and while they might disagree with me, most likely wont insult me. I tell a left wing liberal i support the 2nd Amendment and own a semi automatic rifle and they literally tell me they wish my whole family would die.

      I wish I could disagree with you. I can't, I've seen that too.

      Still, I've also seen right wingers who have no flexibility as well, so it isn't exclusive to the left.

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      Another example of the left...

      "A woman's right to choose!"

      Except...

      When it comes to what to feed her child or medical decisions such as vaccines. So a woman has the right to choose to abort a child, but can't choose to not give that child injections.

      Hypocrites. :)

    10. Re:Anti-Trump insults masquerading as "jokes". by dadelbunts · · Score: 1

      Oh i have seen plenty with no flexibility. Alot on the right are dumb as bricks, especially when it comes to science. But i have only really seen threats and insults hurled from the left. Dont even get me started on their "ist" that they love throwing around. I also get called all sorts of things for not supporting illegal immigration or blaming all white people for the ills of man, and being hispanic while doing so. ACCEPT EVERYONES VIEWPOINTS UNLESS THEY DISAGREE WITH OUR OWN.

    11. Re:Anti-Trump insults masquerading as "jokes". by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Hillary can do that for us, too.

      It's her fricking turn, just like it was Bob Dole's turn. We can hope it turns out as well for her.

    12. Re:Anti-Trump insults masquerading as "jokes". by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      If he becomes candidate, he has managed one thing: showing to the world what an unfair and outdated system the US parties have for selecting their nominees.

      That was already proven when the Supreme Court decided to 2000 election.

    13. Re:Anti-Trump insults masquerading as "jokes". by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      The Supreme Court already legislates. I see no reason that they shouldn't also determine who the President is.

      Anyway, if you look into how they did contested elections in the past, the Court ruling seems positively aboveboard in comparison.

    14. Re: Anti-Trump insults masquerading as "jokes". by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      I think the idea is that "taking care of it" is what they believe they are doing by *not* giving it a vaccine.

      Don't get me wrong, I'm no anti-vaxxer, I think they're irresponsible and uninformed. But we have to admit to ourselves that in the name of public health, we are forcing parents to do something they might truly feel is harming their child.

      Mostly, I believe that most of our "rights" are anything but that. The state has always had the power to do what it takes to maintain what it believes is the interests of the population, for better or worse. While it is invasive, there is no reason that you can't force a woman to carry to term any more than you can't force a woman to have her child injected with a vaccine. You can do either or both, and ample justification exists for either one from the State's secular perspective.

      It's all a matter of what is considered to be more effective at keeping order and maintaining the population in some semblance of safety.

    15. Re:Anti-Trump insults masquerading as "jokes". by whipslash · · Score: 1

      Yes. I'm so sorry. http://i.imgur.com/D6KCTL7.gif

    16. Re:Anti-Trump insults masquerading as "jokes". by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Look, I don't support Donald Trump, and I don't particularly like his policies. But the last thing I want to read when I come to Slashdot is some snide swipe at him.

      Especially when it's not direct family. I mean, really, you can say the Trump family made their money running a brothel, which is being resurrected in Canada.

      Yes, Frederick Trump (Donald's great-grandfather) made their fortune running brothels, hotels and restaurants.

      So now you know where the Trump family fortune came about. Uncle? Nah. Direct family lineage is better.

    17. Re:Anti-Trump insults masquerading as "jokes". by dave420 · · Score: 1

      It appears it's not actually hypocrisy, just you not understanding the position. If you don't understand it, it's not unreasonable that you would deem it hypocritical even when it's nothing of the sort. The "woman's right to choose" is referring to women being given the choice of what happens to their own bodies, not the bodies of their children. It's about women being able to abort should they want to, not whether they can give their children vaccines.

      I wonder what else you have completely ass-backwards...

    18. Re:Anti-Trump insults masquerading as "jokes". by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      The "woman's right to choose" is referring to women being given the choice of what happens to their own bodies, not the bodies of their children.

      Ahh yes... except you of course completely and totally miss it...

      I fully support a woman's right to choose what to do with their own bodies.

      However, the child inside them is not part of their body, they are just providing it a home.

      Killing that child is not acceptable.

  4. Re:Good people, smart people, bad people, dumb peo by footNipple · · Score: 2

    Not sure what you're implying here, but you would have a very hard time convincing me that, somehow, Donald Trump is not an intelligent and decent person. Despite some of his wacky outbursts, he is in no way unfit to be president of the US, and might be exactly what this country needs right now.

  5. Re:Good people, smart people, bad people, dumb peo by JoshuaZ · · Score: 1, Troll

    Not sure what you're implying here, but you would have a very hard time convincing me that, somehow, Donald Trump is not an intelligent and decent person. Despite some of his wacky outbursts, he is in no way unfit to be president of the US, and might be exactly what this country needs right now.

    I don't know about intelligent or not, since that's very hard to judge, but he's ignorant, not at all decent, and wildly unqualified to be President. He doesn't know about basic aspects of US military and foreign policy, like the nuclear triad which combines with his terrible ideas about using nukes as a serious threat instead of conventional troops. This combines with his general deep misunderstandings of basic issues in international relations http://www.vox.com/2016/3/28/11318722/trump-foreign-policy.

    As for being a decent person, decent people don't attack war heroes for being POWs http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/trump-attacks-mccain-i-like-people-who-werent-captured-120317, they don't suggest they'll pay legal fees for supporters who engage in violence http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/trump-attacks-mccain-i-like-people-who-werent-captured-120317, and then lie about it http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/03/15/fact-check-trump-claims-he-never-said-hed-pay-legal-fees-for-rally-attendees-who-hit-protesters/. They don't have such thin skins that they get upset over a comment about the size of their hands and then proceed to reference the size of their genitalia on at a Presidential debate http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/03/04/donald-trumps-obsession-with-size-surfaces-in-crude-ways.html .These are only a few examples.

    He's an unqualified, egotistical blowhard. It is a deep shame that the party of Lincoln has been reduced to this.

  6. Trumps a Twitter Savant by quax · · Score: 1

    Few people in his age group understand social media.

    Trump on the other hand wields Twitter like a sword with the precision of a scalpel.

    Must admit I thoroughly enjoyed when he used these skills to eviscerate the Republican establishment.

    Have no opinion on his overall intelligence, but obviously somebody must have gotten under his skin to cry uncle like that.
       

    1. Re:Trumps a Twitter Savant by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      People like Trump don't twitter. They got their people for that.

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    2. Re:Trumps a Twitter Savant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "I thoroughly enjoyed when he used these skills to eviscerate the Republican establishment."

      I'm enjoying it very much myself. Most people are pissed at Trump because of the racist/sexist trolling. The irony is Trump is neither a racist or a sexist. All he has done during this election cycle is vocalize in plain language the innuendo that the Republican party has been communicating via dog whistle for the past 8+ years.

      Just because he says something doesn't mean he means it. Anyone capable of independent critical thinking(who isn't in the business of "clutching pearls") can identify when Trump is just being inflammatory/offensive to save money on advertising. (And please spare me the false outrage over a politician saying things they don't mean. At least Trump doesn't pretend to be sincere vs. Lyin' Ted Cruz/Hillary Clinton.)

      The middle class may not be especially racist/sexist, but "old-money" still very much is. Donald Trump's real estate business has very little to lose from openly pandering to bigots as the percent of his clients who will be turned off by this is very low. Some may find that morally reprehensible. I think it's a pragmatic demonstration of cost benefit analysis which is what this country needs when the economy has spent a decade in a recession(if you are too dense to see past the DJIA soaking up the loose monetary policy of quantitative easing I'm not going to argue this point with you).

      Enlightened members of high society see Donald Trump playing the populist for what it is and continue to endorse him. It's only people who lack depth to their analysis who take his entertainment character at face value. Meanwhile, the stooges of the plutocracy are all terrified that Trump will put a stop to the graft and free ride for blue blooded assholes, so they're throwing everything they've got at him.

      Trump is on a mission of mercy to save low-education conservatives from themselves. The people who hate him are the dumbest liberals who attack anything their thought-leaders tell them is "bad". Middle class liberals hate him because they think he's serious and aren't hurting. Upper class liberals love him because they know he's trolling. Lower class liberals are split between the dumb ones who hate him because they're not very smart, and blame people like him for their pain vs the smart ones who realize that Trump will take away their pain.

      All I need to tell people about Ted Cruz is he's responsible for the Fiscal Cliff and they bail. Kasich is a spoiler candidate who cannot win the nomination without +8 states behind him. He's only in the race to fuck up Donald's delegate count. If the GOP thinks Trump voters will support Ted Cruz in the general election they're high. Here's the thing: their loyalty to investment banks like Goldman Sachs supercedes their loyalty to the party, so they would rather see Hillary Clinton win the General Election than see Donald Trump win the nomination.

    3. Re:Trumps a Twitter Savant by quax · · Score: 1

      Thought it was hilarious when he re-tweeted Mussolini quotes.

      He's of course characteristically unapologetic about it.

      http://gawker.com/how-we-foole...

      Nevertheless, when it comes to tweeting I still think he exhibits very high competence in terms of employing this medium to his advantage (BTW this is not and endorsement of his politics).

    4. Re:Trumps a Twitter Savant by quax · · Score: 1

      That's where you are wrong. And there is first class analysis available to back that up, because he has a remarkably unique style, that allows to identify the tweets penned by the 'master' himself:

      http://talkingpointsmemo.com/e...

    5. Re:Trumps a Twitter Savant by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So ... we know that all his tweets have been written by the same person? It's impressive, someone really deserves a raise.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    6. Re:Trumps a Twitter Savant by quax · · Score: 1

      It's a style that echos his rhetoric and speechifying to a T. He probably doesn't type them himself, but if he's not the originator, than he found himself a perfect mini-me.

    7. Re:Trumps a Twitter Savant by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Maybe MS gave him a copy of their AI before they lobotomized it.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  7. Re:Yeah, McCain by JoshuaZ · · Score: 2

    If you want to criticize McCain for his policy stances then by all means do so. The relevant point that decent people don't do is claiming that because McCain was a POW that this is somehow a problem and an indication that he isn't a "winner." That's reprehensible.

  8. Re:False symmetry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No, they're not, not even close.

    You're right - Hillary is a psychopath.

  9. You know the saying by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    It skips a generation.

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  10. Re:Million volts of power by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Almost, it's more like waiting for a thousand light years.

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  11. Why are we even discussing this? by mi · · Score: 1

    "John Trump really does seem to have been a brilliant scientist," noting that he performed both radar and short-wave research for the allies during World War II and helped design medical X-ray machines.

    This is about as relevant today as the much publicized history of George W. Bush's grandfather "dealing with Nazis".

    WTF, are we preparing for a round of "Jeopardy" or something? I'll be happy to see Trump on my ballot come November, but his uncle has nothing to do with it.

    --
    In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
  12. Re:Good people, smart people, bad people, dumb peo by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Indeed. The worst most heinous criminals of history can have very decent relatives.

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  13. Not how biology works. by JoshuaZ · · Score: 1

    I can't parse your first paragraph in a way that makes any sense in context since no one has been discussing any sort of utopia or socialism. Your second paragraph is also wrong: this is a common misconception. Genes can cross over from pairs of chromosomes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosomal_crossover. The only thing of note is the Y chromosome which does exhibit crossing over with the X chromosome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoautosomal_region. So no, you don't have any specific reason to think that they share a chromosome.

  14. Re: Or This Guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Ironically for you, a not-insignificant number of Trump supporters are young minorities.

    You spew hatred and lies, pretending to be superior to anyone who dares not feel exactly as you feel. You casually dismiss others as racist, instead of tackling their arguments with rational rebuttals.

    There are plenty of reasons not to like Trump. It's a shame you're too stupid and myopic to present anything other than, "UR RACIST!!".. Because you are the reason why he has any chance of being our next president.

    You're smug, condescending, insulting, and full of yourself. You're also opposed to Trump, and irrationally so.

    I see you, and know that I never want to be as you are. You hate Trump, and so there must be something good about him. He might be Hitler, but you're fucking Satan.

  15. Somewhat Correct Analysis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The "left/right" dichotomy actually is part of how the elite rules over the plebs.

    And Trump has violated many of the "informal rules".

    But I can also tell you that many guys at the FBI and CIA are actually supporting things which run against the elite. To do this effectively and over a long period, they cannot do this overtly. They are not all assholes, most importantly because you can make much more money elsewhere.

  16. Re:Or This Guy by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    we should talk a little about stereotypes and prejudice.

    Oh, never mind...

  17. Tell Us More, Mr 1% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I assume you already discussed a hit job, a honeytrap, a fat bribe in order to remove Trump, eh ?

    Let me tell you one thing: If you manage run over the interests of the people one more time, the Final Outcome will be much, much, much more worse than Trump. You better accept this as a healthy correction of your corruptness.

  18. Re:Or This Guy by Idou · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah? How about this?

    When America sends its people to become Trump supporters, they’re not sending their best. . . .They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. They're high school drop outs and white supremacists. And some, I assume, are good people.

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    Sdelat' Ameriku velikoy Snova!
  19. It's all about the genes... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    So Donald Trump's father got the bully gene and not the brilliant gene. That explains a lot.

  20. Re:Or This Guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about this: When criminals break the law big time, they hop the border. US murderers, rapists, and pedophiles go to Mexico or Canada. Mexican murders, rapists and pedophiles along our border come to the USA.

    How about that?

    Have you ever actually talked to a Mexican person in Mexico? The LOVE Trump's plan to build a wall and, aside from their corrupt elite, the people want to help us build a better wall (we already have a shitty wall in place that doesn't work). You see, their police and government are corrupted by cartels who run drugs to the USA and so building a better wall will cut off the cartel funding and help Make Mexico Great Again.

    Trump also wants to make Syria great again. He's a nationalist. Trump wants to make all nations great so that refugees don't have to flee their countries in the first place. Oh, but Liberals don't give a fuck about the plight of the Mexican people. This is because migrants typically vote left, so they want as many immigrants as possible, and voting stat! Fuck their poor standard of living, and screw our poor out of jobs too, anything for a fucking vote, all the better if it keeps the masses powerless and in check.

  21. Re:Good people, smart people, bad people, dumb peo by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    Smart people can have relatives whoa re dumb people.

    I'm reminded of that every time my tea party relatives in Idaho send me another news item from the right wing echo chamber. Then again, I'm one of the few in my family who has a college education.

  22. Re:Ah, The Elite by Dutchmaan · · Score: 1

    Just because he's anti-establishment doesn't make him a better choice. "Out of the frying pan. Into the fire" seems a more apt phrase.

  23. Old dead white men by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 3, Informative

    George Washington makes the case that "the alternate domination" of one party over another and coinciding efforts to exact revenge upon their opponents have led to horrible atrocities, and "is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism." From Washington's perspective and judgment, the tendency of political parties toward permanent despotism is because they eventually and "gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    1. Re:Old dead white men by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is, if you're a Democrat and hate Republicans, don't enact revenge, join the Republican party?

      Don't join a party at all. Vote for the best man or woman.

      Admittedly.... not a lot of good choices, but at that point you start writing in people.

      Washington was right but a little naive. Parties form in national politics because organization gets things done. Initially, the parties simply support people and philosophies. Eventually, they only support themselves.

      The Republican Party freed the slaves. Full stop. Now they are the mortal enemy of the Black person, it seems. There are two things wrong with that.

      First, the Republicans did it to themselves with the Southern Strategy. They basically signed up for being lumped in with the racists. They did that to simply beat the Democrats, who had decided to hang up some of the racism and corruptness that marked that party.

      The second problem is that this forced that minority to become a safe bloc of votes for Democrats. And while it is understandable why that would happen, limits the actual power that blacks have to change their future. A Democrat must give them lip service, but a Democratic candidate knows that they can be sewn up and delivered by certain black leaders to any Democratic candidate that comes out of the convention.

      All of that is motivated by the strong influence of factional and party interest over getting things done. And it is continued because groups see parties as things that they get power from by remaining loyal, even when loyalty to that party is nothing more than loyalty to a brand name that will do anything to keep getting elected.

      So what happened is that Washington foresaw the problems of party, but really provided no advice on how to avoid it. And that's unfortunate, because that's really what we needed.

    2. Re:Old dead white men by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If you don't join a party, you will have no influence on the candidates you get to vote for. You don't have to commit to vote for that party's candidates.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    3. Re:Old dead white men by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      When I cast a primary ballot, I have to identify with one party. I can change that freely from election to election, but I can't have any influence on the candidates without at least claiming affiliation.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    4. Re:Old dead white men by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Sure. You were therefore affiliating yourself with the Republicans for a few minutes.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  24. Re:Million volts of power by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

    Just take the derivative and multiply by velocity.

  25. Popcorn time by rasmusbr · · Score: 1

    I have to give it to you USA:ians, your elections keep getting more and more entertaining. Remember Bush v.s. Gore? What a sleeping pill.

    My predictions for the next few presidencies:

    Clinton/Clark 2016
    Clinton/Clinton 2020 (Hillary/Bill)
    Palin/Trump 2024
    Clinton/Clinton 2036 (Chelsea/Hillary)
    Musk/Superhuman AI 2040
    Superhuman AI 2.0/Mecha-Rumsfeld 2044
    Lord Rumsfeld 2048

    (Assumes slight reinterpretations of the constitution with regards to eligibility for foreign-born citizens and death robots.)

  26. Trump has the best... by nonregistered · · Score: 1

    ...uncles.

  27. Re:Bush vs Trump by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    Ahhhh yeah, one of the best things to come out of this election cycle has been the end of the Bush dynasty.

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    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  28. Re:BINGO by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

    In philosophy, this is called means to an end which is a utilitarian morality, which allow for use of individuals as means to benefit the many.

  29. Re:Good people, smart people, bad people, dumb peo by quax · · Score: 1

    "Wacky" that's one way to put it.

    Running on a platform that promises to round up all illegal immigrants while having profited from them certainly seems wacky.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com...

  30. Re:Good people, smart people, bad people, dumb peo by footNipple · · Score: 1

    I disagree. I do not think a desire, plan or action to make illegal immigrants accountable to US immigration laws is at all wacky.

    In fact, it's a great idea. Just ask Mexico among the many other nations that have strict immigration policies.

  31. Re:Tesla by tnk1 · · Score: 1

    I know what is in those papers. It talks about how you can do wireless electricity for the masses with this one weird trick.

  32. Re:Standard Commie AgitProp by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Dude, take your pills.

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  33. Re:Good people, smart people, bad people, dumb peo by quax · · Score: 1

    It's one thing to guard your borders, i.e. "the Trump Wall", but he also promised to expel all illegal immigrants. The kind of intrusive control required to round up all illegal immigrants in the US will create a police state.

    Be careful what you wish for.

  34. I am not a White by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

    Normally liberals with shit in their head do not do not warrant a reply from me - but you are so way off your league this time

    I am not a White, I am from China

    True, I am no longer in my twenties, but old? What? You want to play the game of ageism?

    As for the racist bit --- who the fuck is not a racist?

    You mean Hillary Clinton is not a racist?

    Are you going to tell me the people from NAACP, from the BLM movement, et cetera, are not racists?

    Jesse Jackson is not a racist?

    Hussein Obama is not a racist?

    Just because one calls him/herself a 'liberal' does not make them 'un-racist'

    And this important bit that I need to tell ya --- I am a Chinese, a naturalized citizen of the United States of America, and I support Donald J. Trump

    If you do not like my choice, shove it!

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    Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
    1. Re:I am not a White by dave420 · · Score: 1

      There is a strong difference between using racism to correct imbalance and using racism to extend it. If you can't see that, I weep for democracy, as you are not informed, yet are convinced you are.

      Also, grow up. You sound like a pre-teen screaming insults, not an adult.

  35. When Germany bombed Pearl Harbor -- did we quit? by Latent+Heat · · Score: 1

    Let it go -- he's on a roll!

  36. Re:Good people, smart people, bad people, dumb peo by dave420 · · Score: 1

    There is a difference between a strict immigration policy and an impossible-to-access immigration policy, which for the vast majority of Mexicans is precisely the policy the US has. Assuming all strict immigration policies are the same is naive beyond belief, and probably one of the reasons positions like yours get some degree of ridicule.