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Dyson Airblades 'Spread Germs 1,300 Times More Than Paper Towels' (telegraph.co.uk)

An anonymous reader writes: The Journal of Applied Microbiology published a report claiming Dyson Airblade hand-driers spread 60 times more germs than standard air dryers, and 1,300 times more than standard paper towels. The researchers from University of Westminster conducted their research by dipping their hands in water containing a harmless virus. Then, they dried their hands with either a Dyson Airblade, a standard hot-air dryer, or a paper towel. Their research shows the Dyson drier's 430mph blasts of air are capable of spreading viruses up to 3 meters across a bathroom. Typical driers spread viruses up to 75cm (about 2.5ft), and the hand towels 25cm (less than 1ft).

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  1. Yes, but it's a Dyson by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, but it's a Dyson which means it cost twice what any other solution cost, so it's go to be good, right?

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    1. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well most of the reviews on Dyson is that their products either sucks or blows.

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    2. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dyson Airblades, or as microbiologists like to call the, Dyson Germ Cannons

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    3. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 4, Funny

      And this is the company that Trump wants to entrust with building a wall around the solar system to keep out aliens?

    4. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Barsteward · · Score: 4, Informative

      its all bollox. if you've washed your hands properly there will be no germs to spread.

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    5. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Xest · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've always found them shit anyway. The airblade doesn't make sense, as it seems to blow horizontally, creating an air wall that basically pushes any water on your hand either side of the air wall, and as you move up and down, moves the water up and down.

      To me, what would've always made more sense would've been to:

      a) Have the air aim downwards to push the water down off your hands

      b) Move your hands into position from the side, rather than above

      Moving hands in from above just pushes the water up your arm, moving your hands in from the side and blowing down would push it off your hand.

      So yes, right now all they really are is germ cannons that don't actually dry your hands particularly effectively - in fact, I find a good classic powerful (some are shit and too weak) hand dryer to be much better because at least they blast downwards, which because we live in a world with gravity, is kind of more fucking useful than creating a wall that just pushes water up your arm.

      But one of the biggest sanitation problems for germ transfer in toilets is door handles. Rather than buying an expensive airblade, maybe places should invest in doors that open automatically with sensors because right now everyone washes their hands and dries them with an expensive no-touch hand dryer like the dyson, and then proceeds to put their hand on the door handle to exit the washrooms only to pick up all the germs that that one scratty bastard who doesn't wash his hands after handling his dick left there.

  2. On the other hand... by sconeu · · Score: 4, Funny

    It actually gets my hands dry, unlike traditional air dryers ("press button, wipe hands on pants").

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    1. Re:On the other hand... by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 4, Funny
    2. Re:On the other hand... by Quirkz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Dry, cold, and as soon as you turn and open the door handle without a paper towel, re-contaminated. Plus you're half deaf from the noise.

    3. Re:On the other hand... by sconeu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is there a TEDx talk, "How to make paper towels magically appear"? Or have you never used a restroom where they only have the dryers?

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    4. Re:On the other hand... by jordanjay29 · · Score: 4, Funny

      WHAT?!

    5. Re:On the other hand... by Phronesis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Is that the one where the guy admits that he has done absolutely no research and just makes the whole thing up?

      For TED talks, that doesn't exactly narrow it down.

    6. Re: On the other hand... by chaboud · · Score: 5, Funny

      I just stand by the door and wait for someone else to come in... Never costs me more than a few hours...

    7. Re: On the other hand... by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I always wondered why bathroom doors open inward. Shouldn't they open outward? You pull open the door with your dirty hands as you enter, do your business and wash up, and as you exit you can push open the door with your foot to avoid touching anything touched by people who didn't wash up.

    8. Re: On the other hand... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Or just get rid of the door and have a little corridor with a bend in it so that you can't see in. That has the added bonus of allowing some air flow so the place doesn't get too ripe.

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  3. You can feel the water on your face by hawguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Typically when the dryer starts up, I can feel a fine spray of water hit me in the face. I avoid these dryers now, even if it means using my pant legs to dry my hands.

    At least the old fashioned blow dryers that take forever to dry your hands don't direct a spray of water into your face.

    1. Re:You can feel the water on your face by amicusNYCL · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bathrooms need to replace these damn air blades with a pair of jeans hanging on the wall.

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  4. I'ts been called the world's worst urinal in jest by enjar · · Score: 4, Funny

    Evidently, that's not a joke any longer. As James Dyson says,

    "Like everyone we get frustrated by products that don’t work properly. As design engineers we do something about it."

  5. Virus-laden water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Shouldn't the premise for testing hand dryers be that the hands are washed with soap and are "clean" but wet? If we taint the water itself and measure how far that spreads, is that really a realistic test of how hygienic the dryer is?

    1. Re:Virus-laden water by Andreas+Mayer · · Score: 4, Informative

      If we taint the water itself and measure how far that spreads, is that really a realistic test of how hygienic the dryer is?

      No, it's not. But it makes for a better headline.

    2. Re:Virus-laden water by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Having measured soap consumption during stadium events for the purpose of planning logistics for the next event, we learned that the ladies bathroom used on average 72 times the soap per person than the men's bathroom. This is not an exaggeration and is based on statistics gathered across 10 events held over 10 years with 5500 attendees over a period of 5 days per event.

      We tried to explain the discrepancy without simply saying "guys are pigs" and the best we came up with was that we believe that women on average used the bathrooms over this time twice as often as guys... though unless we started scanning people entering and exiting, we can't be 100% sure about the accuracy of that.

      The end result is, no matter how we twist it, the average woman consumes 36 times as much soap in the bathroom than a man.

      As such... I wouldn't worry about the hand dryers in the ladies bathroom, but I would in the men's.

      So... then consider, men are terrible at washing their hands. They shake your hand, touch the door knobs, use your tools, etc... They will spread it EVERYWHERE!!!

      The obvious follow up is that it really doesn't make a difference and since American germiphobia is famous worldwide for Americans' terrible immune systems, maybe it's more important whether a hand dryer dries your hands than whether it spreads germs. European doctors sit in groups laughing about how American doctors can't travel to seminars because their immune systems are so damaged by anti-bacterial soaps that they spend the whole week sick in the hotel rooms.

  6. Re:It says it on the thing! by aliquis · · Score: 5, Funny

    But... But... It's the "world's most hygienic hand dryer!" It says it right on the thing!

    It is.

    All the germs which were on your hands are now up to 3 meters away from you.

  7. Sigh. by ledow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Own one for two seconds and I defy you not to realise this.

    See that damp stain on the wall underneath? And the puddle on the floor? Yeah, you washed your hands about five times, and it looks like you've been having water fights in front of the thing.

    And then there was me who was always told that, actually, washing your hands (the process of wetting them) does little anyway. It's the drying / wiping that actually scrapes the crap off. Otherwise you literally just have a slightly damper environment for the bacteria on your hands anyway.

    There's a reason that surgeons "scrub" up. It has little to do with the water itself, which just acts as a lubricant to assist the soap (which sticks to dirt and water) in sticking to the dirt and then providing a way to know where you've washed and to remove those parts that might have captured the dirt. It's the wiping / scrubbing / vigorous rub-down that actually removes that crap from you (and onto the floor / towel / soap / sink, obviously).

    Like the Romans - who bathed in oil and then scraped it off, knowing the OIL took the dirt with it, not that smelling like a pizza for the rest of the day actually did anything in itself.

    The reason we have hand-driers is because such scrubbing in public is considered... "wrong" somehow. You can't share a towel without transfer of bacteria, and people think individual paper towel is somehow killing the planet. Like blowing your nose - don't put it in a handkerchief and carry it around with you. Wipe it off on a tissue and throw the fucking thing away.

    But, to be honest, it barely matters. Bacteria don't last long in those kinds of environments so long as they're cleaned occasionally, you can't really avoid spreading them anyway (it's not a question of some precisely contained particles - watch one of the slow-mo videos of a sneeze, it doesn't matter what you do it's like someone sneezing a handful of flour - it goes fecking everywhere, but, yes, put your hand up because it does stop quite a lot of your snot landing on someone else), and gadgets like this are quick and convenient which means more people might bother to wash their hands just to try it out.

    But if you ever used one of these, I defy you to not have seen the crap and water on the floor underneath and around it that gets blasted off everyone else's hands.

    Like all things Dyson (and Apple), half-decent idea, pretty aesthetics, fucking terrible design, but add a premium and be different and people buy it.

    1. Re:Sigh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Drying your hands with a towel of any kind isn't what cleans your hands.

      Soap binds to the dirt AND to water. When you wash your hands the soap is effectively gluing the dirt to the water and when you rinse that water away you rinse away the dirt too.

      Washing your hands with soap and water and doing a decent job of rubbing/lathering your hands together (i.e. do it for 20 seconds or so and hit all parts of your hand) is all that is required for good sanitation in most cases. Most people don't wash their hands properly.

      You only need to 'scrub' with a brush or other implement if you need your hands _extremely_ clean or you have material on them that is not readily emulsified by soap & water. Unless you are a surgeon, you don't need your hands to be _that_ clean. You have an immune system for a reason. Give it something to do so it doesn't get bored and turn on you (allergies).

    2. Re:Sigh. by Rob+Bos · · Score: 4, Informative

      CDC recommends you sneeze/cough into your elbow. Less opportunity to touch something with your germy hands.

  8. Yes, it was to save paper. by tlambert · · Score: 4, Funny

    pretty sure people didn't switch to be "more efficient", wasn't the idea to save paper ?

    Yes, it was to save paper.

    That stuff doesn't grow on trees...

  9. Re:I'ts been called the world's worst urinal in je by Carewolf · · Score: 5, Funny

    Have you tried using one of them as a urinal while they were blowing?

    Worst urinal EVER!!

  10. Re:I dunno about you... by pr0fessor · · Score: 5, Informative

    Honestly my junk is probably cleaner than my hands it's been locked up in clean underwear while my hands have handled money and all kind of other unsanitary things. Wash your hands before you take a whiz.

  11. Re:I dunno about you... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Honestly my junk is probably cleaner than my hands it's been locked up in clean underwear while my hands have handled money and all kind of other unsanitary things. Wash your hands before you take a whiz.

    My life coach told me that urine is sterile, so i just take a whiz on my hands.

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  12. Re:I dunno about you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    It almost always is - the exception is if you have a urinary tract infection. It can be used as an emergency antiseptic.

    A sterile liquid isn't an antiseptic. It can help displacing some amount of bacteria (and water being a universal solvent, it does help more than most people give it credit for, although soap is for sure needed in most situations), but that's it.

    The problem with urine is that it's not just sterile (in most cases). It's also full of nutritive components, and it's warm too, making it an ideal bacterial growth medium.

    (And when a guy touches his penis, he can easily come into contact with precum, which is less sterile, and can transmit STDs if infected, including in some cases as an asymptomatic and undiagnosed carrier...).

    If you have urine on your hands, you will ease bacterial growth on them and everything you touch for hours.

    The "pee is clean so I don't need to wash my hands, you're just a clean freak with a sexuality complex!" idea is very typical of superficial thinking by phony skeptics...

    (Intimacy is not a complex either... Trying to force one's one intimacy on others, is, though...).

    You should clean your hand both before and after going to the toilets.

  13. Re:I dunno about you... by Saanvik · · Score: 5, Informative

    Washing your hands without soap at all is quite effective, assuming you do a reasonable job at it. See The Effect of Handwashing at Recommended Times with Water Alone and With Soap on Child Diarrhea in Rural Bangladesh: An Observational Study. Any soap will make the hand washing more effective. Anti-bacterial soap is no better than standard soap.

  14. There's a moral to this story by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a doctor I could suggest washing your hands with soap and water instead of virus and water. The former is the approved method whereas the latter is a little to new and usually frowned upon.

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