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Apple Expects Users To Replace Their iPhone, Apple Watch After Three Years

Apple says it expects its users to replace their iPhone and Apple Watch after (more like, every) three years. The company adds that it expects a Mac user to replace their computer after four years. The iPhone maker shared the expectations in a recently released document as part of its latest environmental push. In the document, Apple underscores how much its products contribute to the greenhouse gas lifecycle. The Guardian reports: Within a new question and answer section Apple said: "Years of use, which are based on first owners, are assumed to be four years for OS X and tvOS devices and three years for iOS and watchOS devices." That assessment doesn't take into account the recycling of devices, their reconditioning and their resale, of course, but when you buy a new iPhone 6S for $649 (starting price, off-contract), Apple expects it to last three years, something many suspected. Apple has been accused of intentionally slowing down iPhones every time a new one is released, although there is little evidence to support the theory.Also see: Apple's Recycling Initiatives Recover $40 Million In Gold

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  1. Misleading headline by gnasher719 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Apple doesn't "expect" customers to replace their phones after three years. Apple "assumes" that they do this, which is very different.

    1. Re:Misleading headline by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Informative
      This was the actual passage from Apple:

      To model customer use, we measure the power consumed by a product while it is running in a simulated scenario. Daily usage patterns are specific to each product and are a mixture of actual and modeled customer use data. Years of use, which are based on first owners, are assumed to be four years for OS X and tvOS devices and three years for iOS and watchOS devices. More information on our product energy use is provided in our Product Environmental Reports.

      Based on their best estimates, they think consumers replace every 3 years. Not "expects" but "assumes". It's like every lifetime estimation I've seen. Civil Engineers assume a 30year lifespan on roads, etc.

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  2. Re:Makes sense by Tukz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why?

    Unless it breaks, I see no reason to replace my phone.

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  3. Difference between want and need by coastwalker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Marketing will tell you that you want to change the product. Technologically you probably do not need to change it every three years. The product will probably work for ten to twenty years before it fails (excluding batteries) and it will in many cases still function as it does now in ten to twenty years. Software is the limiting factor these days and the majority of walled garden products can and will be disabled by their marketing departments. If you think that this is a scam to screw more money out of the customer then you are right. There is a reason why Goldman Sachs refers to customers as "Mugs".

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  4. little evidence to support the theory. by sims+2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Said someone who has never had two same model devices side by side with a full version number difference of 2 or greater.

    Just try an ipad 2 on ios 6 then try it on ios 8 or 9.

    That old unupdated ipad can run circles around the one that someone has been trying to keep up to date.

    There is no question that the newer os's are slower on older hardware. Which makes it all the more of a pita they don't allow you to downgrade the os to versions that were actually designed to run on that hardware.

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  5. Re:Makes sense by ControlsGeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    CPU,GPU,OS, ??? That is not an answer to the question. Sure these things change over time, sometimes improving. Phone features also go backwards from time to time. No removable storage, No replaceable battery. These are part of a trend to planned obsolescence that manufacturers use to force consumers to buy new phones and recycle or discard the old one. Truly a tragedy given the nature of scarce non renewable resources like rare earths from third world countries with broken governments.
    But fundamentally this misses the point. As long as a phone, computer or other device continues to serve the need that it was intended to serve I see no need in replacing it.
     

  6. Re:Makes sense by thoughtlover · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My thoughts, exactly. I don't care if there's newer-and-better-and-faster out there. My 6-yo iPhone on the same iOS it came with are more than enough for my mobile computing and communication needs.

    'Why spend more energy to replace what I don't need to' is my argument for not upgrading. This applies to myriad items, such as cars, clothes, etc.

    MY advice: spend your extra money on excellent-quality food.

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  7. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not intentionally slow down as a design though, it is rather feature creep and lack of control over impulse app installs. I use an iPhone 4S, have for the past two years (first smart phone) with minimal apps, and in fact one of the most recent iOS updates added a great feature that doubled my functional battery life (low power mode). I got through a college environment fine with that, but now starting graduate school and full-time work my battery demands (16+ hours) are beyond what the 4S can support without mid-day recharging. That is the only reason I'll have to update in the next year or so, barring any accidents or theft.

  8. Re:Dear apple.... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Your 17" MacBook Pro had a 1920x1200 screen. The current 15" MacBook Pro can be set to use that resolution.

    I'll be impressed when you tell me how to set a 15" MacBook Pro to have a 17" screen.

  9. Re:Makes sense by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Why?

    Unless it breaks, I see no reason to replace my phone.

    I read this data driven: people DO this, not they want people to do this. They WANT people to buy a new one every year. So, for one reason or another people choose to replace their smart phone within 3 years. This seems right to me, by the 2nd year most of my smartphones have either been obsolete by OS (orig Moto Droid) or the battery life has decayed into impossibility (My Samsung Galaxy Something, or my wife's LG Google Nexus). My iPhone is going strong after 2 years, but I will probably replace it when iPhone++ comes out because I suspect there will be enough new features to justify, and the GPU is getting dated.

  10. Re:Makes sense by Kohath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Other people find reasons. They want a faster CPU, new OS features, a better camera, more storage, access to new LTE channels, a better screen, longer battery life, maybe even a new color. These are reasons to upgrade. You don't have to if you don't want to. Other people do want to. Ok?

    Posts on this topic are very strange.

    Do you (and the rest of the "no upgrades, yuck!" crowd) experience physical pain when other people get a new phone because they want new features? No? So ... what's the problem?