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Two-Year Delay for SpaceX's Private Spaceport (blastingnews.com)

MarkWhittington writes: About a year and a half ago, with then Texas Governor Rick Perry and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk in attendance, ground was broken on the first private spaceport designed to launch rockets vertically near Brownsville, Texas. At the time, SpaceX announced that it expected to launch a rocket a month, either a Falcon 9 or a Falcon Heavy in the skies over South Texas starting in 2016. But then, the Texas spaceport story fell off the face of the Earth, as it were. Fortunately, the Valley Morning Star has an explanation as to why things are taking so long.

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  1. click bait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    for those of us wondering why its delayed

    "310,000 cubic yards of soil will have been brought in...The purpose is to raise and stabilize the area before actual construction of the launch pad and associated buildings begins"

    1. Re:click bait by dbIII · · Score: 3, Informative

      Makes sense.
      I've seen a runway site sitting under huge amounts of dirt to compress it for a year or two.

  2. Soil surcharging by Iamthecheese · · Score: 5, Informative

    For the lazy and if I may pick the low-hanging fruit, here and here are some articles about soil surcharging. It's actually an interesting technique. They mitigate risk of shear related failure by stiffening the ground.

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    1. Re:Soil surcharging by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My question is why they did not know surcharging was needed to begin with?

    2. Re:Soil surcharging by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Guessing they didn't do the geotechnical survey until the groundbreaking, but value engineering might also be at work. Until they hit a critical mass of launches it might be cheaper to use other facilities. So, decide to surcharge the soil for a couple years rather than piling and using thicker slabs, save lots of money.

    3. Re:Soil surcharging by Rei · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Or situations changed. Perhaps upfront they were planning to spend more by reinforcing with concrete pylons, and discovered this cheaper situation after the fact. Or perhaps they found they were getting better economics operating out of Florida than they expected and the Texas site became a lower priority. Or a whole host of other things.

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    4. Re:Soil surcharging by WarlockD · · Score: 2

      Its the reason why the NASA space ports are at Huston and Cape Canaveral. They are on the coast so when a rocket goes crazy, it can go crazy in the sea.

      As for the dirt, yea. Even way inland, your looking at 4 to upwards of 8 meters till you reach bedrock and a lot of that filler is clay. You can't have basements here either, cause that clay will drain water into it daily.

      My grandpa realized this 30 years ago when he built his home and spent an extra 30k drilling these 5 meter cement pillars for his home. He hasn't had any foundation issues while our neighbor had to repair his 3 times over the same period.

    5. Re:Soil surcharging by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      "They are on the coast so when a rocket goes crazy, it can go crazy in the sea. "

      That is also the attraction of the Brownsville site: it's like Florida but with better weather. Once the launch operation is up and running at Brownsville, there will be fewer storm delays.

  3. basically... by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 2

    Even Elon Musk is having to wait until the dust (more specifically 310,000 cubic yards of soil) to settle...if I was the Texas DoT, I'd also be charging SpaceX for all the additional maintenance needed on S.H. 4.

    1. Re:basically... by spire3661 · · Score: 4, Informative

      They pay their taxes on fuel like anyone else....Those roads are paid for at the pump.

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    2. Re:basically... by jeti · · Score: 2

      They aren't. The tax on gas only covers a small part of the cost of road maintenance in the US. Also the wear of roads depends on the axle load with an exponent of four. It's an investment by the state in the hope to collect on other taxes as well.

    3. Re:basically... by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 2

      Those taxes aren't taking into consideration thousands of pounds of dirt being hauled on one specific highway over and over again.

  4. Re:subsidy driven business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The world DOES exist in some sort of vacuum.

  5. It's just engineering work by homb · · Score: 2

    Basically someone forgot that the soil needed to be much more stable than its default state. So they need to put a huge amount of weight on it to get it to settle, and then remove it and build the heavy stuff on top.
    That's it.

  6. Re:subsidy driven business by jeti · · Score: 5, Informative

    ITAR regulations won't allow a US company to have the rockets built outside the US or to transport them to a launch site in another country. It's technology with military applications.

  7. Re:subsidy driven business by Hadlock · · Score: 2

    Err, minus the fact that all of Europe's space-bound payloads launch from French Guyana on the north-eastern coast of South America? Just north of the mouth of the Amazon? Both from europe-mfg Ariane 5 and Russian-mfg Progress launch from there, at least one launch a month. My buddy owns a boat down there and nearly caused them to scrub a launch as he had sailed in to their exclusion zone.
     
    Fuel costs have NOTHING to do with launches, fuel costs make up a tiny, tiny fraction of the total cost of a launch -- about $350,000 per launch out of a $60-200 million dollar launch.
     
    The problem of rocket technology is solved, both SpaceX, Blue Origin and NASA are all 3D printing (laser sintering) rocket engines now and have over a year of flight heritage

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  8. Re:subsidy driven business by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most people wouldn't consider 1,500 miles to be "just north", which is the distance from Kourou to the mouth of the Amazon.

  9. Re:subsidy driven business by Rei · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And Ariane costs $10k/kg. This is who you want SpaceX to mimic?

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  10. Re:subsidy driven business by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Uh, because American government should make decisions that benefit Americans? Just like the Venezuelan government need only made decisions that benefit their people, and the Bolivian government need not take the interests of international corporations into account before taking actions that benefit their own people. I really don't get what is so controversial about helping your own side. The entire world does it. That's pretty much the entire point of a government, if they don't represent their own people then they're not legitimate and shouldn't exist.

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  11. Re:subsidy driven business by hackertourist · · Score: 2

    However, lower fuel costs are the main driver of the sea-based landing pads.

    No. The sea-based landing pads are used for missions where the rocket doesn't have enough delta-V to get back to the launch site. I.e. landing downrange at sea enables them to launch heavier payloads.

  12. Delay seems reasonable by XXongo · · Score: 2

    I'm guessing that the delay at the Mars Crossing launch site is because SpaceX has its hands full on rocket upgrades and doing satellite launches to start realizing some money from their backlog, and the new launch site just isn't their highest priority as long as they are having no problems with launching from the Cape and Vandenberg.

    In the long run, having their own site will give them independence from scheduling issues at the Cape and probably allow a faster launch cadence. In the short term, though, the Cape seems to be serving their needs.

  13. On the subject of building bridges by rickb928 · · Score: 2

    In Maine, a few years ago, a revolutionary new bridge construction technique debuted;

    - Truck in dirt to build the abutment ramps.
    - Let them settle for a year or two. Instead of compacting,
    - Begin building the foundations etc...

    It looks wasteful, but it's efficient from a cost standpoint.

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  14. That's not a "delay" by Bugler412 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's called "construction", did someone expect a spaceport to spring fully formed in the coastal swamps simply because SpaceX purchased the land?

  15. Re:They never perform to schedule by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    SpaceX seems to be focusing on the other two portions of the venn diagram of the launch industry, "cheap" and "right". Other space launch companies have focused on the "right" and "on time" portions for decades while completely ignoring the "cheap" portion of it. Given the choice I imagine most satellite manufactures would happily (as evidenced by SpaceX's current launch backlog) wait for a launch rather than pay in excess of 4 times as much for an on time launch. They're still ironing out some kinks, and they do need competitors to keep them honest, but no one who has been paying attention can say with a straight face that they haven't been a force for advancement (both in cost & technology) in the launch industry.

  16. Re:subsidy driven business by chispito · · Score: 2

    The world DOES exist in some sort of vacuum.

    That's abhorrent.

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  17. Re:subsidy driven business by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 2

    walmart isn't a private company. Is it owned by the government? No. Does it survives only via government largess? No.

    As far as I can tell Walmart scaled pretty damn well.

    Unlike many businesses, they rely on the government to provide a good chunk of of their employees' benefits packages.

  18. Re:subsidy driven business by catchblue22 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are private space companies, and there are private space companies. Take two examples:

    ULA - United Launch Alliance - a merger of the rocket divisions of Lockheed Martin and Boeing that occurred to reduce competition in the US government launch market. Their launches are primarily to the US government and are based on "Cost-Plus" contracts, where ULA receives the "cost" to launch a rocket, plus a guaranteed profit margin. The "cost" is decided implicitly by ULA, through their design and staffing decisions (i.e. more complicated designs and more managers mean more money from the government). They have been receiving one billion dollars a year merely to maintain launch "readiness" without even launching any rockets. Their launch costs are the most expensive in the world.

    SpaceX - a company founded by Elon Musk primarily from his own profits from selling Paypal. SpaceX developed their rockets from their own money. During the 2008 crash, SpaceX nearly went under, but was saved by a fixed cost contract to NASA to carry cargo to the International Space Station. Since then, most of their launches are for satellites for companies outside the US. They are the world's least expensive launch option, and that is without re-using their rockets. They are on track to be the world's premier launch service provider.

    Which of these two companies fits the stereotype of government funded sloth?

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