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Up To 35,000 Gallons of Nuclear Waste Leak At Washington State Storage Site (rt.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Over the weekend, thousands of gallons of radioactive waste have leaked at a nuclear storage tank in Washington State. One worker called the leak "catastrophic." RT writes, "The Hanford Nuclear Reservation was originally constructed in 1943 as part of the Manhattan Project." It produced plutonium for weapons, including the atomic bomb dropped on Nagasaki, Japan. The U.S. Department of Energy started removing what was left in the tank in March when workers discovered leaked waste had reached a depth of 8.4 inches. The Department of Energy calls the leak "anticipated," posing no threat to the public. Mike Geffre, the worker who discovered the leak, told King5 News, "This is catastrophic. This is probably the biggest event to ever happen in tank farm history. The double shell tanks were supposed to be the saviors of all saviors (to hold waste safely from people and the environment)." The double-wall storage tank AY-102 has been slowly leaking since 2011. It wasn't until March of this year that the U.S. Department of Energy began pumping the waste leftover in the tank.

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  1. Facts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    3500 gallons (not 35,000) of water than contained some nuclear salts (not uranium, or anything else normally referred to as nuclear waste). People who break into the restricted area should refrain from licking the ground for a few decades. Everyone else has nothing to worry about.

    And it isn't surprising that a facility 70 years old, that can't get permission to rebuild, refurbish, or even empty because of ignorant Greenies, is falling apart. Maybe Greenpeace will allow the facility to build new holding tanks now, right?

    Nah.

    1. Re:Facts? by Rei · · Score: 5, Informative

      Some googling suggests that AY-102 is in fact high level waste, targeted for vitrification for ultimate disposal as HLV.

      That said, this hype (which, by the way is what one would expect from the sources, a local news station and the Russian propaganda outlet RT) is totally unjustified. And then the Slashdot story makes it even worse, turning 3500 gallons into 35000 gallons.

      It's 3000-3500 gallons, leaked from the interior tank into the exterior tank. That's it. It's a known issue that's been around for quite some time - not just since March. And the double hull is doing its job - catching the contents of the inner tank in the event of a leak.

      They do need to get the stuff out of there - there is no third hull, and the outer hull doesn't have the air scrubbing of the inner hull. But that's underway.

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    2. Re:Facts? by Stinky+Cheese+Man · · Score: 3, Informative

      this hype (which, by the way is what one would expect from... a local news station...) is totally unjustified.

      I totally agree with your conclusion. But, just FYI, King 5 News is not "local". It is based in Seattle -- about 200 miles from Hanford, and a world apart in attitudes. For actual local coverage, see this story. It has more details and less hype than I have seen elsewhere.

    3. Re:Facts? by Agent0013 · · Score: 2

      Except that the level in the outer space has mysteriously gone down from April 17 to April 18. It must have tunneled to another dimension, right? Or perhaps it is leaking into the environment. Would you really be surprised to learn that they are covering their asses and not telling the whole story. I would expect nothing less. We didn't hear about the leak in 2011, so they have already been covering their asses this long, why not any more?

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  2. Other source by b0bby · · Score: 5, Informative

    A slightly less breathless account is at the Seattle Times:
    http://www.seattletimes.com/se...

    1. Re:Other source by quantaman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A slightly less breathless account is at the Seattle Times:
      http://www.seattletimes.com/se...

      A note to the poster of the original story, if you find yourself citing Russia Today as the primary source you should probably double check your facts.

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  3. Your Futurama quote for the day by RenHoek · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh, the fools! If only they'd built it with 6,001 hulls! When will they learn?
      -- Fry

  4. mdsolar by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    C'mon....mdsolar we know it is you!

  5. Leak? by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Informative

    It leaked out of the inner tank and was contained by the outer tank. As designed.

    Catastrophic?

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    1. Re:Leak? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In engineering space, a "catastrophic failure" is sometimes the terminology used to describe a single component failing. Not the actual scale or scope of the event. I could have a catastrophic failure of a wheel bearing, but safely stop and have a repair done, not a real catastrophe. FUD mongers will abuse this terminology intentionally, and then some will relay it out of ignorance.

    2. Re:Leak? by PraiseBob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It doesn't seem catastrophic in terms of environmental damage so far. However, the two elements I find confusing are:

      1) an alarm in the annulus sounded after the waste level rose to more than 8 inches deep. Several hours later the waste level in the annulus dropped by about half an inch.

      If the waste is all contained in the outer hull, why did the water level in that hull go up and then down again?

      2) Less than 100 gallons of waste was estimated to have leaked into the annulus in recent years, drying in three separate patches.

      Wait... If it's sealed, how does it dry out?

      In both of those events, the water had to go somewhere right? There are really only two options, it either went back into the main tank, or escaped containment. Since workers are lowering gauges & pumps into the outer hull space, it would imply that the outer hull is not pressurized. Applying some basic fluid dynamics, means the waste isn't going back into the main tank, and apparently isn't going into their containment pit either: Hanford workers found no waste outside the tank in a leak-detection pit in an initial check Sunday, Holloway said.

    3. Re:Leak? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In engineering space, a "catastrophic failure" is sometimes the terminology used to describe a single component failing.

      Correct. It's a failure that may, but not always, lead to a more significant and more serious failure condition. You can, for example, have a "catastrophic failure" of an airplane landing gear tire but still be able to land the plane safely.

      It's like when people say, "But evolution is just a theory!", not knowing that the word "theory" has a different meaning in a scientific context.

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    4. Re:Leak? by blindseer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wait... If it's sealed, how does it dry out?

      My guess is that since the space between the outer and inner walls of the tank is quite large a small leak could mean that the water has evaporated and is part of the air in that space. If I make further assumptions that in this space the humidity is controlled with desiccants to prevent rust then the water is contained in those desiccant materials.

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  6. Never let the facts get in the way of a headline by Etherwalk · · Score: 4, Informative

    Estimates place the leak between 3000 and 3500 gallons. They've been pumping out the tank, which held 800,000 gallons at one point, and 20,000 gallons are left in it. There are now about 8 inches that have leaked between the layers of the inner tank and outer tank, the vast majority since they started pumping.

    So they stopped pumping, to figure out how to deal with that.

  7. Catastrophic ? by aepervius · · Score: 2

    I will reserve that term when 1) I learn what is the content of the tank 2) the amount of becquerel released outside the plant if any. Without both those info it could be between catastrophic and "meh".

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  8. And more facts. by thesupraman · · Score: 4, Informative

    'None of the waste appears to have escaped from Tank AY 102 into the environment, the contractor, Washington River Protection Solutions, said.'

    The leak is between the inner liner and the outer liner, so actually ZERO has actually escaped.
    So, unlikely the retarded mdsolar style summary, the double shell tank has done EXACTLY what it was designed to.
    This is like complaining about a seatbelt and airbag doing its just after a minor accident where no one got hurt.

    Of course we cannot let facts get in the way of our good healthy radiation terror! All those years of duck-and-cover
    drills as the Reds rained nuclear death on our heads would have been wasted!

    1. Re:And more facts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, there is a double tank. But the inner tank was not designed to leak.

      Of course it wasn't. But they built it with an outer hull because - you're not gonna believe this... wait for it - failures like this happen. If every man-made piece of technology functioned exactly as it was designed, there would be no fucking need for a second hull.

      The presence of the second hull is what's known, in engineering parlance, as a FAILSAFE. Which is to say - if the first container fails, due to corrosion, damage, sabotage, etc., then the second hull preserves the SAFETY of the design even though part of the design has FAILED.

      Whatever happened here sounds like a failure of design

      No, it sounds like it's operating explicitly as designed. If the first hull operated "as designed" with a 100% success rate, then there would be no need for the second hull.

      and it makes no sense to assume that everything is going to be hunky-dory because you still have the outer tank. Unless you know and understand why the inner tank failed you have no way to predict the behavior of the material in contact with the outer tank.

      Right, because engineers typically design containers in such a way that, should the first layer of the container be breached, the materials the container are designed to hold will react violently and explosively in the most dangerous way possible with the materials used in the second layer.

      I can't wait to read about your lithium-coated thermos bottles, and Dynamite-lined chimney flues.

      Your post is nothing but fucking alarmist rubbish.

    2. Re:And more facts. by twistedcubic · · Score: 2


      The leak is between the inner liner and the outer liner, so actually ZERO has actually escaped.

      Quote from the article: "But workers were trying Monday to determine why the waste that leaked between the tank walls rose by about 8 inches on Sunday and then dropped by half an inch."

      Is it unreasonable to consider the possibility that the drop in 1/2 inch was the result of the outer tank leaking? I'm not saying it's true, but are we even allowed to suspect this without you calling us stupid? Possibilities may include evaporation (if that's possible for this material), a weird siphoning back into the inner tank (if that's possible), outer tank leakage, or numerous other things. The article did not rule out the possibility of the outer tank leaking.

    3. Re:And more facts. by brausch · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "But the inner tank was not designed to leak."

      Of course it was, in a sense. All engineered systems have design lifetimes. The tank farms double-shells average around 30 years old. These tanks were not made to last "forever", unlike what the King-5 broadcast said.

      It is a political failure, not a design failure. They were supposed to have been pumped dry many years ago. The permanent solution keeps getting postponed so we are stuck with various "temporary" solutions. This has been going on since before I came here after college (in 1979). We are making progress in cleaning things up, but it is very slow.

      Yes I am an engineer. No I do not work at Hanford, but my friends and neighbors do.

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  9. Re:Simply by fizzer06 · · Score: 2

    No problem. Melvin can mop it up.

  10. Re:Cold War Waste is a mess by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I did a lot of service work in the 200 and 300 areas in Richland and at the Fast Flux Test Facility (FFTR) at the Westinghouse-Hanford sites in the 80's and 90's.

    One thing I learned was that the Hanford Patrol would go out weekly into the desert surrounding the 200/300 areas and shoot a few rabbits, which were then brought back for radiation testing. These were informally called "bunny hunts" and "RRT's" ("radioactive rabbit tests", lol).

    It was (and still is) a viable way to find leaks of radioactive water from the storage tanks. The tank leaks, the water often pools in a gully or whatever, the rabbits drink the water, and the radioactive elements are easily detected in their blood and organs. If you start finding more than trace amounts then you've got a problem. They found problems more often than you might suspect.

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  11. Safe to carry in your pocket. Don't eat it by raymorris · · Score: 2

    First , it's not "exaggerated in a way" - nothing leaked out of the tank. The story, as presented above,"is complete BS.

    You talk about long-term, so I guess you're thinking of the plutonium 239 at the site. The radiation from U239 is stopped by skin, water, etc. So you can pretty safely carry it in your pocket. In fact, I DO carry a similar radioactive material in my pocket. It's not suggested that you eat U239, though. Much like bleach, toilet bowel cleaner, etc, eating it would be bad for you.

  12. Re:Strong Proof by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, the story was exaggerated in a way, and it should not have been. However, it still is a strong proof that existing nuclear plants are not safe.

    You do know that this is not nuclear power related waste, which is pretty much limited to solid spent fuel rods, right? This is cold war waste from defense programs which didn't even bother to engineer any type of proper waste management. They had all sorts of nasty liquids that are much more problematic than spent fuel rods.

  13. Re:Attie the Atom says, by compro01 · · Score: 2

    This waste is mostly from making nuclear weapons, not from nuclear power (they did produce electricity, but mostly as a side-effect). This place produced most of the USA's plutonium, and making weapons-grade plutonium isn't a tidy process.

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  14. Lots of FUD by shellster_dude · · Score: 5, Informative

    Until less than three years ago, I worked on the Hanford site. My father in law, still works on the site a regularly oversees and checks on tank levels. At least a couple times a year, there is a minor leak, and the media breathlessly goes screaming that the end of the world is nigh. It is rarely serious, but between the media's antinuclear stance, and the Hanford project's desperate need to drag out the project as long as possible, for jobs, these things get over-reported. At this point, all the waste has been relocated from single shelled tanks to double shelled tanks where it is waiting disposal at their vitrification plant that was recently finished. None of this waste actually leaked anywhere. What it means is that one of the innermost shells on one of the tanks has finally failed significantly. The waste is still contained. This isn't a surprise as even the double shelled tanks are getting old, hence the plan to vitrify (glassify the waste).

  15. Re:Sending me to RUSSIA? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

    You shouldn't expect an unknown domain name to belong to a US site unless it ends in .us.

    There will be someone at the door waiting to collect your geek card from you on your way out.

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  16. Re:Cold War Waste is a mess by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

    Does it blend?

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  17. I guess what scares me by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Funny

    is we Americans are pretty much ignoring infrastructure expenses. What happens if the outer tank breaks? It's sorta like if my air bags go off. After that I probably want a new car. But to keep up the Car analogy we keep driving it and the next time we're dead.

    I'm also reminded of our response to Flint, MI's water crisis. Which is a big "meh". We can't even get a disaster fixed _after_ it happens. So I get nervous when I see a potential disaster that can (for some indeterminate amount of time) be ignored by a country with a long history of ignoring problems...

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    1. Re:I guess what scares me by Brett+Buck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The green leftists are preventing any action by suing to stop work over and over.

  18. Re: Cold War Waste is a mess by del_diablo · · Score: 2

    Rabbits breeds like.... rabbits. So population is not a issue.

    Most likely there is other issues, such as laws against sedation darts being used non certified personnel. Or the personnel in question not being trained enough to set up traps for the intended period.